Why I'm Not Catholic (w/ Austin Suggs from Gospel Simplicity)

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The Cordial Catholic

The Cordial Catholic

2 жыл бұрын

In this episode of The Cordial Catholic, I'm joined by my good friend, KZfaqr Austin Suggs from the wildly popular ‪@GospelSimplicity‬ channel to talk about why he isn't Catholic - after a year of asking questions about the Catholic faith.
Austin stumbled into a world of digging deeply into questions of the ancient Christian faiths. From his experience of going to a Catholic Bible study, and then a Catholic Mass, he began to ask questions about Catholicism (and later, Orthodoxy). When I first had him on my show over a year ago, we talked about some of his misconceptions and misunderstandings - and questions he still had.
Now, a year later, he's back, as a good friend, to unpack his journey so far. It's a fantastic conversation as we unpack liturgy, the papacy, apostolic succession, the Eucharist, and what exactly Austin is thinking after spending the last year asking some of the most brilliant minds in religion, some really great questions!
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@fungusbeef
@fungusbeef 2 жыл бұрын
For whatever reason KZfaq decided to show me Austin's video about a bible study when he first posted it about a year ago. I watched it, and continued to watch many of his videos after then. I've enjoyed it because I can relate to what he's gone through. Years ago I had a very brief dialog with a Catholic that sent me down a sort of existential spiral, having spent the first 30 years of my life in non-denominational evangelicalism and not really considering anything different. I got very close to converting at that time, but wasn't in a place where I was convinced enough to jump the chasm. I then proceeded to study classical Protestantism and Reformed theology, and spent the next decade of my life dragging my wife and kids through Presbyterianism and Anglicanism. We even dabbled a bit in Orthodoxy. At the time I did not realize it, but in retrospect I was doing my best to become Catholic without actually becoming Catholic. The idea of truly submitting to the Church was a very large pill to swallow, or at least it seemed like it -- even in Anglicanism and Orthodoxy you can always find another priest or bishop to give you different answers, or you can pick a jurisdiction that aligns more with your beliefs. To Austin's point, it was daunting and incredibly difficult to decide to throw my life upside-down -- I'd spent decades invested in the broader world of Protestantism, and friends and family would often say things like "well, at least you're not Roman Catholic" when we'd discuss theology. I remember many sleepless nights, getting physically ill at the thought of it all and even weeping and pleading with God to help me understand. But the paradigm change of Catholicism -- of "making my submission" as Robert Hugh Benson wrote -- was the best thing I've ever done, and it was easier done than said. Once we'd made the decision that our family needed to become truly Catholic and we'd explained it to our family and friends (many of whom were understandably dismayed), we spent a year praying, reading and learning before being confirmed. It's hard to express just how true it all is. When you start reading and learning about it, you catch glimpses and feel hunches, but once I was in, I could see the continuity from St. Clement, St. Ignatius, St. Irenaeus, St. Thomas Aquinas in a way I could never have seen before no matter how many classical Protestants, Reformed Scholastics or Anglo-Catholic tracts I'd read. I don't mean that to sound triumphalist -- most of my friends and all of my extended family are Protestant, going back to the reformation -- and there are so many true Christians deeply and profoundly committed to Christ in Protestantism. But in Catholicism, there's so much truth that is not apparent from the outside, and submission to the Church -- which is how Christ has asked us to submit to Him -- is the key that unlocks the door. Reading, studying and praying draws us close, but we have to decide to submit in order to see the truth. As St. Anselm said, "I believe so that I may understand".
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, Ryan. Thanks for sharing this, and in such a cordial way - you’re in the right channel! And thanks for watching, too!
@1Hope4All
@1Hope4All 2 жыл бұрын
God bless you, Ryan. 🙏🙏🙏
@TheCatholicPiper
@TheCatholicPiper 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a beautiful testimony, thank you for this and welcome home.
@kynesilagan2676
@kynesilagan2676 2 жыл бұрын
So deep and beautiful. Oh man. GodBless
@Gerschwin
@Gerschwin 2 жыл бұрын
My catholic journey is 10 years in the making. I'm halfway through RCIA. Hoping to be received into the church next Easter. I'm soooo glad I'm not Austin. It was hard enough being a nobody and making the change.
@1Hope4All
@1Hope4All 2 жыл бұрын
"Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God." ~ Philippians 4:6
@volnadr
@volnadr 2 жыл бұрын
Oh my dear Austin! It’s so interesting how most evangelical denominations incline towards the literal interpretation of the Scripture, however you almost do not accept the words of Christ (“This is my body..” or “whosoever do not eat my body and do not drink my blood..”), those statements being said in the most literal context you can find in any of the four Gospels. It would have probably been more plausible to argue about the literal meaning of other statements made by Jesus but definitely not those. I do like you Austin, you are humble and genuine..please listen to your heart!
@FalconOfStorms
@FalconOfStorms 2 жыл бұрын
Even Catholics don't really take the verse literally, they just get really puffed up about the language. If one takes the verse truly literally, they would insist that the wine turns to blood, with hemoglobin and everything, when viewed under a microscope. That's the literal interpretation, and Catholics do not believe that.
@ellisspear
@ellisspear 2 жыл бұрын
Austin is Awesome. I think it would help him to speak to the folks over at The Coming Home Network about life after "Conversion to Catholicism". There are so many brilliant and wonderful young men of Faith and Character, like Austin, who have made this same decision. I think he knows and understands too much to go back ;) . It is only a matter of time. We will all welcome him and his wife with open arms. In the meantime...we will pray for him and his Journey :)
@DrSheri.teaches
@DrSheri.teaches 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent interview! I appreciate both of you so much. You both have a gift for being genuine and gracious.
@samuelflippin1890
@samuelflippin1890 2 жыл бұрын
I, very much like Austin was looking for the slam dunk answers at the beginning of my journey and have come to very much the same conclusion, there are good arguments, logical arguments for all of these positions. It starts to come down to how you weigh the evidence and what feels more right, which is difficult. For me, I admit there is even some despair in why in Christ's Church there aren't easier answers to be found. It's so easy to say the other side is dishonest, close minded, or not actually seeking truth, but that seems to be quite the prideful answer. I pray for discernment and grace that I don't deserve, Lord help me find your Church.
@p.doetsch6209
@p.doetsch6209 2 жыл бұрын
Because it's in the struggle that God allows us to find Him.
@Mygoalwogel
@Mygoalwogel 2 жыл бұрын
You've been in it all along. Somebody taught you the Good News. It may be incomplete or something, but that doesn't mean you're out of the true church.
@1Hope4All
@1Hope4All 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Samuel. 👋🙂 We walk by *Faith. Let the Holy Spirit guide you.* That means *letting go* of your own thoughts, opinions, and feelings. *Silence is very powerful.* Being silent in your mind and heart will allow you to hear God's voice. He will lead you to *HIS Church.* *Come Home to the Catholic Church.*
@halleylujah247
@halleylujah247 2 жыл бұрын
Yay two of my favorite guys! I love your dialogue and you were able to bring out a lot more from Austin than he said in his personal video. (Sorry Austin) And you all are some of my favorite and not just my Canadian favorite.😁😉
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
No need to be sorry! I agree; I'd recommend people watch this video over my own any day!
@Stephanie-el4sx
@Stephanie-el4sx 2 жыл бұрын
Austin always brings joy into my heart. I am Orthodox and his Orthodox interviews are some of the best Orthodox interviews 🤍what a beautiful journey for him and what a blessing that he shares with us. Great interview guys! Loved this
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the kind words!
@fernandocasados1156
@fernandocasados1156 2 жыл бұрын
Austin appears to be a fine fellow so this comment is in no way to intended to be negative toward him. Only honest. Simply put his next step is to go beyond the intellectual and analytical approach and take that proverbial leap of faith, delve into the mystical, spiritual and complete surrender to our Lord. It's a HUGE step to take because it's an approach that those who are not there yet are obviously not familar with it. Once you surrender yoursel' completely and allow God to lead your life you're home safe. It's called FAITH in the true sense of the word. The worlds problems and personal problems will still be there and the world will continue to turn as it does but now there is no fear, no anxiety, no loneliness. Only peace. I leave you with the reflection by St. Paul the Apostle 'It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me.'
@Kitiwake
@Kitiwake 2 жыл бұрын
Nice
@1Hope4All
@1Hope4All 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Fernando. I did not find your comment negative towards Austin at all. If someone is looking into the Catholic faith and they find everything they think they need to convert because they agree with the doctrines of the Catholic Church but they still cannot convert, there's only one thing holding them back. They are holding themselves back. *Pride.* That's when they should figure out that they need to take that *leap of faith* in order to better understand the faith. I don't think Austin has exhausted all that there is to learn about the faith on an intellectual level. There is still so much more. But I believe he could still take that leap of faith right now. Even so, God has a time for him to do so. All in God's time. 🙏🙏🙏
@FalconOfStorms
@FalconOfStorms 2 жыл бұрын
Catholic arrogance knows no bounds. Guess the Reformation wasn't enough of a black eye.
@Racingbro1986
@Racingbro1986 11 ай бұрын
I think it’s unfortunate to think that since someone who has already surrendered to Christ and devoted their life to to the service of Christ and his church has some how not surrendered to Christ because he is not Roman Catholic. He is a brother in Christ sold out and already surrendered. This journey is not one regarding where he stands before God but the honing of his theology.
@magdalenelah8231
@magdalenelah8231 2 жыл бұрын
Great conversation 👍🏼🙏🏼
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@frmichaelgood1
@frmichaelgood1 2 жыл бұрын
I would recommend that @Gospel Simplicity picks up the newer work of Dogmatic theology titled "Truth is Synthesis" by Mauro Gagliardi. I think I recommended this to him about a year ago. The opening chapter delves deeply into the problems with protestant and orthodox conceptions of the Church and in addition it offers a comprehensive overview of Catholic theology in a clear, comprehensive and readable way.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Fr. Michael! Fr. Gagliardi is incredible. I had the privilege of interviewing him on Mary, just one short chapter from the incredible book you mentioned! What a guy!
@toddvoss52
@toddvoss52 2 жыл бұрын
Austin - you understate yourself. Your very intelligent and irenic (without being softball- you still ask the tough questions and don't duck issues) interviews of an amazing array of quality guests are arguably the best in KZfaq Christendom.
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Todd. I really appreciate that
@gabrielarodriguezcastillo8848
@gabrielarodriguezcastillo8848 2 жыл бұрын
🤍🤍🤍 i really apreciate this conversation! Thank you both 🤍🤍🤍 you are two of my favorite KZfaq channels…
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
Gee, thank you!
@heidigabalski6335
@heidigabalski6335 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not even halfway through this podcast, and I cannot even explain how much it is blessing me already 🙏 I stumbled on Austin‘s channel a couple weeks ago after watching an episode with Dr. Heiser, and Keith only stumbled on your channel and subscribed this evening because Austin comes up in my feed now. I’m sure you both mention somewhere but if I wanted to reach out and ask you both a couple questions off-line, do you have an email address that you don’t mind sharing publicly? I really appreciate the thoughtful approach and respect on both sides 🙏❤️
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Heidi! You can e-mail me: cordialcatholic@gmail.com.
@heidigabalski6335
@heidigabalski6335 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏 😊
@jesusgirl4936
@jesusgirl4936 2 жыл бұрын
Great conversation! I love the guests you have on your channel. I learn so much from everyone. Thank you!
@Carol-sy3rf
@Carol-sy3rf Жыл бұрын
I took a few Nuns by their request to a Billy Graham Crusade. They mentioned that they were going to Moody Bible Institution to learn about teaching the Bible. That surprised me. We were in a class for CCD teachers at the time.
@Carol-sy3rf
@Carol-sy3rf Жыл бұрын
Where did the different churches in Revelation come from ? Are they real church’s or just symbolic of problems in the church I. General?
@Carol-sy3rf
@Carol-sy3rf Жыл бұрын
What is the body of Christ? Does it include all believers who follow Christ’s teachings only or does it include the man made rules of it’s leaders?❤
@brentfontenot1754
@brentfontenot1754 2 жыл бұрын
It's only a matter of time for Austin. God bless
@rubenmartinez4346
@rubenmartinez4346 2 жыл бұрын
Great interview with two humble dudes!
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
You’re too kind!
@yvobalcer
@yvobalcer 2 жыл бұрын
For those who are not Catholic, you are missing the true presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. My mother was not Catholic neither my father but my mother decided to raise me in the Catholic faith. This was the 1950s, today that would not happen. When my mother died, she was buried from an Episcopal Church. Something was different but I couldn't understand what it was. The following Sunday, I returned to my Catholic Church and I knew what was different. Jesus is presence in the Tabernacle in the form of bread.
@mikelopez8564
@mikelopez8564 Жыл бұрын
Austin is a genuine good dude. I always enjoy when you guys get together, even just to referee Dr O and Joe! Thank you Keith
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@KayElayempea
@KayElayempea 2 жыл бұрын
This was a great conversation, with lots of great questions! You two need to do more work together! I don't have any suggestions, just something. The best outcome of COVID was that my church went back to weekly communion.
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
I'm always happy to collab with Keith!
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s do it! Think of some suggestions, Kay!
@saintejeannedarc9460
@saintejeannedarc9460 Жыл бұрын
How did your church go back to weekly communion, expressly because of covid? Everyone was so germophobic, esp. during, but for some time after, and some still are. Communion involves all that unsafe touching and sharing of things touched. I was actually going to Mass during covid and one thing I admired about that parish, was that it continued to give Communion by mouth for all those that wanted it. I asked for it that way as well, as a mild form of protest against the insanity of the lockdowns. Even though i am just as satisfied w/ the Eucharist by hand and don't have a preference of tradition, being more used to the evangelical way of communion trays and receiving both kinds given to the whole congregation. Then we have the scriptures read and we all take it together at the same time. There is something satisfying about taking Communion all at once as a congregation. Of one accord, as the scriptures say.
@HoMegasTaxiarches
@HoMegasTaxiarches 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting interview thanks !! Austin seems to have mischaracterized or misunderstood the significance/value of apostolic succession. He stated that the records are not pristine, that not every priest and bishop can trace ordination to Jesus or St. Peter, that sometimes there were different popes, etc. This argument from inconsistency of the historical record sidesteps and ignores the much bigger problem of innovation and novelty that characterized many of the pioneering beliefs coined by Protestant reformers. Prior to the 1500s in Latin Christendom there is no example of the rites, theology, beliefs, church governance, etc., coined by the reformers. This includes the distinct changes pioneered by Luther and other magisterial reformers in areas of the Eucharist, the saints, confession, Mary, and even things like indulgences. It simply had never been done before in Latin Christendom. This is the real strength and value of apostolic succession because it shows tangible continuity with Catholic beliefs over many centuries, unlike the Protestant reformers. For 1500 years there was no precedent or historical tradition in the west to support pioneering changes. The closest example in the area of the Eucharist might be Berengar of Tours but nobody paid much attention to him. So again lack of records showing pristine apostolic succession is a much smaller concern when compared to the much larger problem of the innovation and novelty of the beliefs pioneered by many Protestant reformers.
@propriusly
@propriusly 2 жыл бұрын
I think he is in a tough position. If he becomes Catholic, he fears he will alienate his family, his friends, and his entire life. Hard decision.
@christopherlampman5579
@christopherlampman5579 Жыл бұрын
Every convert from evangelical roots faces that same decision.
@christopherlampman5579
@christopherlampman5579 Жыл бұрын
😅ask me how I know.
@silveriorebelo2920
@silveriorebelo2920 11 ай бұрын
he is tempted to go in a tangent, trying to avoid the problems, by becoming orthodox...
@1Hope4All
@1Hope4All 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Austin. Walk by Faith. *Let the Holy Spirit guide you.* Go beyond your intellect. It's time to *ALLOW GOD* to lead you to His Church. *Silence is very powerful.* Being silent in your mind and heart will allow you to hear God's voice. He will lead you to *HIS Church.* 🙏 *Come Home to the Catholic Church.* 🙏
@limoncellosmith7594
@limoncellosmith7594 2 жыл бұрын
All paths lead to Rome. Eventually!
@davidneuzil9356
@davidneuzil9356 2 жыл бұрын
Austin, the Holy Spirit is leading and guiding you.
@Reid-yy5nw
@Reid-yy5nw 2 жыл бұрын
TO GO nowhere the Roman Catholic CULT!
@SouthernFriedPap1st
@SouthernFriedPap1st 2 ай бұрын
What a great guy!
@danielemolteni
@danielemolteni 2 жыл бұрын
Francis Chan, one of the greatest Catholic evangelists alive 🙏🏻 God bless
@reznet2
@reznet2 2 жыл бұрын
Amen 😂
@MariadeJesus-dt4ql
@MariadeJesus-dt4ql 2 жыл бұрын
Francis Chan has not become Catholic either.
@johnflorio3052
@johnflorio3052 2 жыл бұрын
@Maria de Jesus: He will.
@MariadeJesus-dt4ql
@MariadeJesus-dt4ql 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnflorio3052 did he say that?
@Kitiwake
@Kitiwake 2 жыл бұрын
Has he even "looked" at the church?
@jenniferlewisharris7761
@jenniferlewisharris7761 2 жыл бұрын
Austin is an amazing person! XOXO
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
I agree!
@reelaughlin526
@reelaughlin526 2 жыл бұрын
15 years ago I went to a combined Max Lucado churches at a large coliseum in San Antonio TX. A friend from his church on IH10 invited me to attend. As we entered there were women at each side of the doors with KFC buckets. Inside of them there were little plastic containers, like a coffee cream you see at cafes. I asked the woman who offered them to me what was in them. She told me the body and blood of Jesus Christ. (She must originally have been a Catholic.) I chuckled and took at. Later while everyone was seated an emcee announced that it would be announced later in the service when all would consume or they could take it anytime they were moved to do so. It was a little thin wafer and grape juice in the little container. He also said if anyone wanted one and didn't have it people would be going down the stairs along the bleachers and give them out. Well, they did. They were like hot dog vendors and would toss the little containers to individuals in the bleacher seats. Obviously John 6 escaped Max!
@1Hope4All
@1Hope4All 2 жыл бұрын
😲😯😮😳 What??? Wow.... 😧😟🙁😞 That is not Jesus! How could they take the words of Jesus so lightly? 😢
@verenice2656
@verenice2656 2 жыл бұрын
😬
@saintejeannedarc9460
@saintejeannedarc9460 Жыл бұрын
That's a way to relaxed way to take Holy Communion.
@tonyl3762
@tonyl3762 Жыл бұрын
Yes, for most priests and even bishops, apostolic succession cannot be traced name by name all the way back to an apostle. HOWEVER, that certainly can be done, name by name, for the bishop of Rome, the pope, despite some rare messiness with anti-popes here and there. How many non-Catholics are aware of that? Regardless of the religious implications, even from a secular perspective, that's pretty dang amazing and unique!
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic Жыл бұрын
Pretty dang exciting!
@croatiapuci
@croatiapuci Жыл бұрын
I love how ex-protestants make the best Catholics, being Canadian also helps, love this channel.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic Жыл бұрын
Ha ha. Thank you!
@Carol-sy3rf
@Carol-sy3rf Жыл бұрын
Yes! I was Protestant untilI married. To raise the children in Christian faith, my husband would never change so to keep unity in the family, I became Catholic without any teaching. I always had trouble understanding why they believed in the presence of Christ in the wine and host. I read different books about converts experiences without being told I even read Hanns book only to be disappointed in his realization of the presence of Christ in Eucharist. Finally, I found Brant Petrie’s book Jesus and the Jewish roots of the Eucharist : unlocking the secrets of the Last Supper. It is Jesus’s background, his path to becoming the sacrificial lamb,to fulfilling the Old Testament law and becoming the Messiah. It ties Christ life in the manna , Passover, and “I am the body and blood of Christ. Protestants use symbolic meaning in Matt 26 and Mark 14 ,Catholic’s use John 2 unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood for communion. Petrie has it nailed. Converts should get his view point taught to to them especially die hard ones. Excellent book!
@marianweigh6411
@marianweigh6411 2 жыл бұрын
52:50 Yes, the Mass forms us in the deepest way. The more one gives oneself to the mystery of the liturgy, the more one frequents it with "faith seeking understanding," the less one experiences it as anything like repetition or rote ritual. Rather the exact opposite - it is _the_ unique moment in time to celebrate the Alpha and Omega: this is the kairotic time, the apocalyptic hour you have to love, praise, and know Him! "Blessed are those called to the Supper of the Lamb!" What an immense and incomparable privilege to be witness and participant in the in-breaking of God's reality into this world. The different dogmas all hang together with the Eucharist at the center. This is about a spiritual diet. And one has to stick to the diet before the transformations become palpable and real. One needs to understand how the body works in response to this food. Then one day one realizes that it is the Spirit within who prays, who sees, who understands, who accepts, who receives. Then the body is the Spirit's temple - this is not just a metaphor. The Mass becomes immeasurably more beautiful over time as we ourselves are sanctified in the Spirit. And there is no upper limit. Read _Jesus Our Eucharistic Love_ where Fr. Manelli recounts how absolutely dear the Holy Meal becomes in the sanctified heart. Because exactly right 58:53: the Mass decenters you. The center _is not you_ and should never be you! The center is Christ - the Proclaimed Word and the Lamb Who was slain. You're not there to be pleased and entertained; you're there to repent, glorify, and confer your entirety to God alone. You're not there to absorb but to be absorbed. It's not about the humans present, the preachers and the speakers and the musics and the whatever! It is about the real presence of the sacred humanity of Christ, His Body broken and His Blood shed for us. Just listen when the priest consecrates the Host and put yourself at Jesus's table, hearing those words, "Take... Do this..." Imagine you are there at his side until it is so. Because in the Holy Meal, it really is so. The Victor who became Victim for our sake is there. If we pay attention closely and grow in holiness and model our lives upon Christ and his co-heirs, the Mass comes to feel like the place-setting of Eternity. Each word of the Gloria means something incomprehensibly vast and meaningful. Each word of the penitential act should open our heart in humility and contrition about our failings. Each "you take away the sins of the world" astonishes us afresh. And each prayer for mercy is... really a prayer for mercy! Not just words, but an act of conferance. The liturgy constantly reminds us: we should be choosing for God, not self. It is not a matter of feeling and fun and manipulating the environment to produce affects. The 'emptiness' is inherent - like a test of sincerity, a test of focus, a test of love. Because like everything in Christian life the Mass is a matter of obedience. It asks for an act of the will of the whole person. It's set up to allow God's splendor to shine through the form and activity of the Church and its ministers. It invites us to commit and submit to God more totally, to be absorbed into his Body that much more thoroughly. It is our plea as creatures, from the abyss of our spiritual poverty, to receive God - and it is the event of God's giving us, who don't deserve it, absolutely everything. "Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed."
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for such a thoughtful comment!
@sheylamercado9801
@sheylamercado9801 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, what a beautiful and thoughtfully written comment. I absolutely love it
@michellemcdermott2026
@michellemcdermott2026 2 жыл бұрын
I can't wait to go to Holy Mass in the morning and receive Our Lord in Holy Communion!
@joshuagilmore7522
@joshuagilmore7522 2 жыл бұрын
I think you could say that regarding the Latin mass or eastern rite mass not so much of the post Vatican II mass. Growing up Catholic and converting to Orthodoxy, you see that once you experience the Divine Liturgy of Orthodoxy, the Vatican II mass feels very much like a Protestant service. Not much substance. It’s unfortunate what the Catholic Church has done with its mass. Basically watered it down and shortened to satisfy the Catholics who were leaving the church at the time.
@churchandfamily5516
@churchandfamily5516 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, great video! I really love both Keith and Austin’s style. I have a question for Austin: I might be understanding your view wrong, but I think you do believe in the bodily presence of Jesus in the Eucharist? But you aren’t sure if it has to be through the prayers of a priest with valid apostolic succession? If that’s true, and you do believe the Jesus is possibly present at some Protestant evangelical services, how do you feel about how the Eucharist is treated? Thrown in the trash, not venerated ect… Do you think Jesus is only present in the churches who believe in the real presence? Thanks for the good work you both do!
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind words!
@limoncellosmith7594
@limoncellosmith7594 2 жыл бұрын
In one Protestant church I saw left over so-called "consecrated" bread just stuck on a back shelf.
@easyhandle347
@easyhandle347 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid. Can you time stamp your vids to reference them? Make it easier to go back to a specific topic for discussion. Suggestion. Thanks.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to but I just don’t have the time!
@easyhandle347
@easyhandle347 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheCordialCatholic would you mind if I provided time codes for this video? I really enjoyed it and think it serves well to the body of Christ (cordial Protestant).
@danieladonosop
@danieladonosop 4 ай бұрын
I love Austin and his channel. When he said “one of them must be wrong or all are wrong” implying there cannot be one truth, he summarized protestantism. He himself gave the reason, while answering that question, of who protestantism is a false doctrine.
@Racingbro1986
@Racingbro1986 11 ай бұрын
I wish that you would have touched more on the congregational argument when talking about church planting in relation to the early pre Constantine church
@loyaltotruth8435
@loyaltotruth8435 2 жыл бұрын
I admire your commitment to searching for the truth. I recommend Fr. Robert McTeigue and Gary Michuta "Revolt Against Reality", both excellent podcasters and authors with strong backgrounds in philosophy, logic and theology. They would make outstanding guests on your podcasts.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Gary is a good friend; I wasn't sure the book was a good fit for the show but I do have a copy I haven't had time to read yet. I'll check it out!
@loyaltotruth8435
@loyaltotruth8435 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheCordialCatholic I understand your concern. Fr. McTeigue praised Gary's new book as one of the best books he has read in a very long time which is very high praise indeed. Please do yourself a favor and check out Fr. McTeigue's podcast "The Catholic Current". On Fridays he does a solo feature called "Let's talk about this". He never disappoints.
@Catholic1391
@Catholic1391 2 жыл бұрын
Three years gone by already no wonder I am getting older.👍
@phishphan6596
@phishphan6596 2 жыл бұрын
of course, we should desire that Austin (and others) embrace the fullness of the Catholic Church ---- the Catholic Church is objectively (that is, really and truly) the original, true Church of our Lord. it is not a matter of better opinion. yes, of course, the Lord (the Holy Spirit, the Lord the Giver of Life) must move the heart ---- but we have a role in planting the seed (Mark 4).
@ClaSantosS
@ClaSantosS 2 жыл бұрын
Eu realmente gosto do Austin, e eu sinceramente acho que ele está protelando em admitir muitas coisas, o pq eu não sei, Deus sabe o que faz e quando faz, rezo para que ele não tente colocar empecilhos para A Verdade que está diante dos olhos dele. Abraços do Brasil. ( não vou traduzir pq eu já tenho que traduzir todos os videos para assistir, vocês que lutem para ler isso aqui! hahahahaha)
@konyvnyelv.
@konyvnyelv. 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know your opinion on Yuval Noah Harari's books
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
I've only read 21 lessons for the 21st century. He's a good writer. I don't find all his ideas compelling, but they're thought provoking
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 2 жыл бұрын
Not all followers of Christ are called to the Church He founded, at least in this lifetime. Let us pray for them and for ourselves for we will all have to face our Judge and give an accounting. 🙏❤️❤️🙏
@FalconOfStorms
@FalconOfStorms 2 жыл бұрын
All followers of Christ ARE the Church He founded. Including the underground church in China that the Papacy ignores.
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 2 жыл бұрын
@@FalconOfStorms Yes, I agree: all christians who are non heretical are part of the Body, but only 1 Church is the origin and servant of them all.
@FalconOfStorms
@FalconOfStorms 2 жыл бұрын
@@rhwinner I know you can't be talking about the Roman Catholic Church, because the church did not have a central leader until many centuries after the Resurrection. In fact, it wasn't relatively very long after Christendom accepted that the Roman Bishop was a singular authority that the Reformation occurred, so really this time period where the entire Body of Christ was contained within something resembling the RCC is a virtual blip in church history. I don't know how the RCC has supposedly "served" other denominations (like I said, they don't even serve the persecuted Catholics in China), but there's no case to be made that it's the "origin" or that this institution existed from the time of the Apostles. That simply wouldn't be historically accurate. The Catholic Church evolved into its current form out of Christendom over the course of a thousand years or more and Protestant thought existed before, during, and after the brief period where the Catholic Church was the entire physical Church on Earth.
@filiusvivam4315
@filiusvivam4315 Жыл бұрын
I don’t believe that. Everyone is called to the Universal Church.
@joshuaslusher3721
@joshuaslusher3721 2 жыл бұрын
As a youth pastor at a baptist church, this is helpful! I have been living in tension for a while as well. On Ash Wednesday I went to the local Catholic Church and I have never wanted the Eucharist more. Unfortunately, it is life situations that are keeping me from Rome not disagreement.
@saintejeannedarc9460
@saintejeannedarc9460 Жыл бұрын
Why not make Communion regular at each of your services?
@Hoodinator17
@Hoodinator17 2 жыл бұрын
Skip to 6:50 to hear Austin speak
@mostreal907
@mostreal907 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks lol
@halleylujah247
@halleylujah247 2 жыл бұрын
🤭😆🤭
@msmutola682
@msmutola682 2 жыл бұрын
Hehe. I wish I read this comment earlier. Keith went on and on 🤣 and I got to your comment just as he was wrapping up.
@mattf.johnston2939
@mattf.johnston2939 2 жыл бұрын
It's not about being smart enough to evaluate who is right. To a great degree, jumping in without full certainty is an act of faith itself. Also, remember this: "Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God" (Matthew 5:8). Purify yourself, humble yourself, cleanse yourself, pray fervently. These are the things required; not intelligence, rationalism, and logic
@PInk77W1
@PInk77W1 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus started one church and said it would last forever The Roman Catholic Church
@Reid-yy5nw
@Reid-yy5nw 2 жыл бұрын
NOPE! Christ would want no part of what later became a pagan Roman Catholic Church!
@verenice2656
@verenice2656 2 жыл бұрын
@@Reid-yy5nw when did the Church become pagan?
@thethirdjegs
@thethirdjegs 2 жыл бұрын
"Symbols are the most real things" Whats that even mean! - me too Austin, i ask the same thing.
@thomasmcewen5493
@thomasmcewen5493 2 жыл бұрын
To be Protestant requires great patience, first you have to wait 400 years for the Bible to appear in Greek then Latin, wait another 200-400 more years for the post temple Rabbinical Old testament to appear, then you can seriously get down in the starter blocks 17 centuries after Christ when the basis of Christianity arrives in Paul's native language English.
@saintejeannedarc9460
@saintejeannedarc9460 Жыл бұрын
Jesus and the apostles often quoted the OT. It already existed. The early church, well before the term Catholic, or the idea of transubstantiation ever cropped up, had letters from the apostles which were circulated through the churches, as well as OT texts. As for needing to wait for the bible to be translated to English, that's not even relevant. Christians live all over the world, and worship in many different languages. There were small Christian sects, apart from the growing power of the Catholic church that humbly read scripture and followed Christ. They were invariably wiped out by the RCC though.
@HighKingTurgon
@HighKingTurgon 2 жыл бұрын
quick note on Methodists: UMC affirms the Real Presence of Christ in the Lord's Supper. they refuse to define precisely in what manner, and explicitly deny "transubstantiation" and Thomas' explication thereof. Lots of love from a Catholic who runs a Methodist Bible study
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for bringing that up!
@cmac369
@cmac369 2 жыл бұрын
@46:06" they see the importance of succession". lol. I hope so.
@gwendolynnorton6329
@gwendolynnorton6329 2 жыл бұрын
Popes have often been wrong about any number of things, not however, when speaking from the seat of Peter. Important distinction.
@TyroneBeiron
@TyroneBeiron 2 жыл бұрын
Again proves that many who don't understand Catholic teaching tend to simply develop and spread misinformation about it, intentionally or not.
@joshuagilmore7522
@joshuagilmore7522 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure poor Pope Pius the IX spoke from the chair of Peter regarding the immaculate conception which is heresy. That was never present in the early church. I am Orthodox, and the Orthodox Church actually honors the Theotokos more than the Catholics in its services and through its fasting.
@TyroneBeiron
@TyroneBeiron 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuagilmore7522 What you do not believe may be heresy to you, of course. But forget the semantics: the dogma proclaimed was held as belief by all Catholic bishops in communion with the See of Rome, and what it actually means is that the Theotokos was Panagia (Perfect and All-Holy) from the moment God had her in His mind.
@gwendolynnorton6329
@gwendolynnorton6329 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuagilmore7522 I was simply clarifying the doctrine of papal infallibility. Many people don’t understand it. It would appear that you understand it but don’t agree with it. That’s ok, that’s your prerogative.
@joshuagilmore7522
@joshuagilmore7522 2 жыл бұрын
@@TyroneBeiron If the Catholic Church is heretical, then it doesn’t matter what the Bishops and the Pope say. They are outside the original Church. The Catholic Church felt the need to come up with the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception because their erroneous doctrine of Original Sin taught by Augustine forced them to. The Ancestral sin taught in the first two centuries was different. We are not born with sin. We are born with the potential to sin. There is a difference. It’s not semantics it’s just truth.
@soteriology400
@soteriology400 Жыл бұрын
Can you interview me why I am not a Roman Catholic?
@LewWhite10
@LewWhite10 Жыл бұрын
May Yahusha, our Passover, and His Word, indwell you richly. All who are immersed in His Name and guard His Commandments may observe the anniversary of Yahusha's death. #natsarim BARUK HABA BASHEM YAHUAH!
@romasliv
@romasliv 11 ай бұрын
Apostolic succession can be losed only if the person rejects the priesthood like protestant did or bishop do something really serious and got excommunicated, tough we can't trace every name back to the apostle yet we can know when the succession get broken. Anglicans did had apostolic succession when they did commit schism until they rejected the priesthood.
@jonathanbohl
@jonathanbohl 2 жыл бұрын
Whenever listen to Austin I try to pray for him to make good decisions. I.e. become Catholic. :P
@zarnoffa
@zarnoffa 2 жыл бұрын
He runs a channel called Gospel Simplicity. The Gospel isn’t…. simple… in Roman Catholicism.
@Hoodinator17
@Hoodinator17 2 жыл бұрын
I pray for him to be Orthodox 😏
@zarnoffa
@zarnoffa 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hoodinator17 He’d have to rationalize away his very conscience to become Orthodox. It’s unlikely.
@Hoodinator17
@Hoodinator17 2 жыл бұрын
@@zarnoffa I'm praying :)
@orthodoxrocks9644
@orthodoxrocks9644 2 жыл бұрын
@@zarnoffa he posted a video a year later about Catholicism and he said he isn't considering it. By the way, I'm not sure what you mean by "rationalize away," when speaking of him coming home to the Apostolic Church that is Orthodoxy. If anything becoming Roman he'd scholastisize his self away doing that!
@gwendolynnorton6329
@gwendolynnorton6329 2 жыл бұрын
Justin the Martyr my friend. I think he answers the question about what is supposed to happen at “church” that was the whole point of his letter. Also I think apostolic succession really addresses the issue of sin. In other words, in the evangelical world when a pastor is in obvious sin, parishioners start bailing. They feel that their church is no longer a valid church. In Catholicism we understand that everyone sins, whether others are aware of those sins or not. Even the pope has a confessor. In other words when there is apostolic succession Christians are not dependent on finding a leader whose sins they don’t know about.
@AndrewKendall71
@AndrewKendall71 4 ай бұрын
That analysis of the office vs. doctrine is serious-not to be dismissed or blown by in real practical situations. Here's a conundrum that the "churches formed by apostolic succession only" causes... what of the small band of underground believers gathered around a single section of the gospels or Peter's gospel message to the Jews? Is this not the church whether or not it is "a" church? This is what's behind the Protestant view-that a group of believers, say in the old American frontier, are not unable to "have" church because they recognize that they "are" the church. This is the NT view in addition to discussions that may be had about orthodoxy and authority. Nevertheless...
@dontforget2092
@dontforget2092 2 жыл бұрын
The discussion about 53:00 the mass repetition and it forms you. It’s suppose to do that as you both said, but I know so many Catholics in my family that do all the traditions and customs and practices. But they live 2 different lives, they have zeal for their church and God. But in a sense I don’t see deep change with so many of them. It’s just them living 2 different lives, and these are life long baptized since babies Catholics. They are devoted and go every Sunday without missing a beat, part a 4000 member church in our city. Unfortunately with some not all of my Catholic family members I kinda have to be on my toes when it comes to talking about their faith or mine. They definitely don’t see me in being part of the (true) church. It might be hard to believe me, but will always be respectful to their traditions and approach them gently. Take what I say with a grain of salt, I’m just reporting from what is actually happening, boots in the ground. Not saying it doesn’t happen in my Protestant church it really can and does. But honestly I’m really close to Catholics and Protestants, I see way more humbleness, passion to follow Christ’s example, following the commandments because of Christ’s work in a grateful saving manner than my Catholic friends and family. (Could just be my own perspective I know) but this is just my story. I know there are passionate deep changed Catholics out there. I know that. But for me the only Catholics I’ve met with this deep lifestyle change from the inside out (that I know of) were 3 aunts I have who are nuns! (I love talking to them about Jesus, and Christianity) They are from San Francisco by the way. Again not saying it doesn’t happen in my Protestant church. But I see it way less in my community. Been learning so much about Catholicism, and I love you friends. And because of my theology and doctrine I can see you all as brothers and sisters in Christ part of the universal church. :) But last thing I can say to my Catholic readers is be being in a Protestant tradition, (Baptist affirmation at that) with no religious background. I have been able to give my life to Jesus and declare him Lord of my life. There is deep change within me to serve him and his commandments because of his act of grace he had for me. My traditions included after that, reading scripture daily, deep prayer daily, fasting, creating disciples, taking communion, being in church community (accountability) and worship (for everything), music, food, clothing, ect.
@philmattox8500
@philmattox8500 2 жыл бұрын
Ramon, to start off I hit the thumbs up button on your post. I was raised a southern baptist and was baptized when I was 12 years old. But later on in my late teen years I question the Baptist and most Protestant view of the Lord's supper of being memorial and not the Reall P.resence. Further I question the doctrine of once saved always saved. The journey that followed to Eastern Orthodoxy is rather long so I will just do the Cliff's notes version of it! I I started regularly attending a Roman Catholic Church while I was in college and while there I was received into the Catholic Church. When I was a Southern Baptist in my late teens I felt a pull in the direction of Catholicism. However once there, I still felt a pull somewhere else. It turned out to be Eastern Orthodoxy which was a Christian Community of which I knew very little. But over the years the more I came to know in worship with this community I began to develop a deeper spiritual life. I firmly believe that the Orthodox churches do represent the most genuine expression that began with the early church. I can hear God's voice more clearly and have a joy in worship with other Christians in the Orthodox manner that I never had elsewhere. But I also believe that God dwells just as Jesus said where two or more of you are gathered there I am also. So whatever a Christian Community's particular beliefs or piety provided they are belief and Father, Son and Holy Spirit, that Jesus Christ was incarnate of the Virgin Mary and the Holy Spirit, suffered died was buried and rose again and will come again then I believe that God resides in that community also. I would never try to convince a member of such a community to part from it. I truly felt that I was led by God to the church community of which I am now a member. We should all follow God's will and given your testimony above I believe that it's what you have done. A traditional greeting given by an Orthodox priest before he begins the Sunday sermon is: "Christ is in our midst!" To which the people respond: "He is in every shall be!" My Christian brother Ramon if we are ever together I believe we could say to each other " Christ is in our midst! He is in every shall be!
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate these thoughts! I do think there's something more than just the repetition for formation. My guess is that part of it is active participation, community life, and practical application, but it's something I really need to think about more.
@dontforget2092
@dontforget2092 2 жыл бұрын
@@GospelSimplicity *Greetings Austin I am a Christian from California, I just updated what I posted forgot to add a few things for more detail. Again just my perspective. I know your faith journey from what you posted, I can relate. It’s a little saddening that I knew nothing about God at a point, and what he did for me. And thank goodness someone shared the Gospel to me at 20 years old I was practically a atheist at the time. Came to the realization of Christ work and it changed me, broke me down to my soul, from then I wanted to serve him forever. till this day nothings changed nor do I think it ever will, I’m 29. Along the way when I shared this news to my family and friends (Catholics) they didn’t think I did it right, they don’t accept my denomination or see me as a true Christian. It broke me, because my soul aches for God, I know the Holy Spirit is guiding me to the things of God, in all aspects of my life. I see you as a brother in Christ and hope nothing but the best for you.
@kayleebaginski
@kayleebaginski 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. This was the most true and rich content I’ve experienced here on your channel. Austin is awesome. I feel like I’m in a similar position as Austin, but on the opposite side. I’m devoutly catholic, but interested and curious about these other denominations and what they believe and how they worship the Lord. Thank you so much!
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your kind words!
@DF-ei9kc
@DF-ei9kc 2 жыл бұрын
C.S Lewis describes Christianity “as a hallway with many doors.” But there’s no fires and fellowship in the hallway. It’s in the rooms. You got to make a choice at some point. Roll with it. And let the Lord lead you.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
I love it!
@zekdom
@zekdom 2 жыл бұрын
37:37 39:30
@mnmmnm925
@mnmmnm925 2 жыл бұрын
26:15
@arthurhallett-west5145
@arthurhallett-west5145 2 жыл бұрын
Why would Jesus start a vicariate role for Peter as leader and pivot of unity for the disciples in his age, and not for the rest of the Church in the rest of history for all Christians? didn't Jesus say the power of death would not overcome it? What makes the first Christians unique? Especially having regard to Jesus wish that his Church would remain united like he and the Father, until he comes again. How is that achieved without Peter in our midst? Where are the keys of the Kingdom now then? Buried with Peter under the basilica??
@tonyrandall8703
@tonyrandall8703 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with all this as an Orthodox Christian. The question is, why do you believe the see of Peter is in Rome? No evidence he was ever a Bishop of Rome. He likely lived there for less than a year. He also started other churches. My problem with the Roman position stems to all these things. It seems that the concept was developed over time and then propped up with forgeries. Everything just keeps pointing to the Orthodox position.
@tessa7413
@tessa7413 2 жыл бұрын
@@tonyrandall8703 according to history & Church tradition, Peter was bishop of Rome for 25 years, until his martyrdom there. Eusebius The Apostle Peter, after he has established the Church in Antioch, is sent to Rome, where he remains bishop of that city, preaching the Gospel for twenty-five years (The Chronicle, Ad An. Dom. 42 [A.D. 303]).
@tonyrandall8703
@tonyrandall8703 2 жыл бұрын
@@tessa7413 yes I’ve read that. Problem is there is nothing else but that. When you start really looking at the position it falls apart. If you’re happy with that statement then that’s great. I just couldn’t find anything to support that
@tonyrandall8703
@tonyrandall8703 2 жыл бұрын
@@tessa7413 I would also add that this statement is completely contradicted by scripture. There’s no way Peter was in Rome when the Catechism claims if you look at the scriptural timeline.
@tessa7413
@tessa7413 2 жыл бұрын
@@tonyrandall8703 in 1 Peter 5:13, St. Peter says he is writing from "Babylon," which, at the time was well understood to be the code-name for Rome.
@Kitiwake
@Kitiwake 2 жыл бұрын
Austin @ 16.58. "I've tasted that. Tastes like a wafer". Was that a consecrated host?
@mattf.johnston2939
@mattf.johnston2939 2 жыл бұрын
I grew up an evangelical protestant Christian who converted to Orthodoxy. I struggled quite a while between Western Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. Ultimately, it's a difference between external unity (Catholic) and internal unity (Orthodoxy). Catholics view the person of Peter as the focal point, while Orthodoxy views the faith and proclamation spoken by Peter that Jesus is divine as the focal point. Rome asserts an external worldly Monarchal structure of administration, while Orthodoxy, while acknowledging the Monarchy of Christ, takes a conciliar approach in the world. This conciliar approach was recognized by the West for quite some time before Papal elevation began developing as a later innovation. The fathers talk about the conciliar approach, St. Cyprian of Carthage for example. Even St. John Chrysostom, whom Roman Catholics commemorate, explicitly says that it was the faith of Peter and his recognition of Christ as divine that was the Rock upon which the Church will be built. It was not the personality or geographical location. If it was the personality or geographic location of Peter, one could also argue that he was in Antioch before going to Rome. But these external criteria for Peter's primacy is not how Orthodox Christians understand the passage about Peter holding the keys and being the rock. It was his confession of faith, his confession and recognition of who Jesus was. This and only this will be the basis of the True Church.
@hellebartelsen8208
@hellebartelsen8208 2 жыл бұрын
But Christ says "your are Peter and on this rock I will build my Church", as in the singular you, not "it" or "that" as he would have done if he had been referring to his proclamation of faith.
@romasliv
@romasliv 11 ай бұрын
Catholics believe it can be both faith of Peter and person of Peter, even if you believe it's just faith of Peter but the faith is connected to the person of Peter.
@MariadeJesus-dt4ql
@MariadeJesus-dt4ql 2 жыл бұрын
Austin just made a video stating he is still not sure about Catholicism..he said he could not been able to continue in his university if he becomes Catholic..and he likes better the cults in the protestant church.
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure "likes better the cults in the protestant church" isn't what I said😅
@MariadeJesus-dt4ql
@MariadeJesus-dt4ql 2 жыл бұрын
@@GospelSimplicity you said that you felt more motivated in your church because people evangelist more...and this is important to you. The music etc..you felt better about worshipping there. People more friendly.
@MariadeJesus-dt4ql
@MariadeJesus-dt4ql 2 жыл бұрын
@@GospelSimplicity Jesus said to Peter....everything you seal in earth...it will be sealed in Heaven.....here Jesus is passing his priesthood to Peter.....and his Church......
@MariadeJesus-dt4ql
@MariadeJesus-dt4ql 2 жыл бұрын
Jesus said to.the apostles....i.give you.authority to forgive sins in my name......Jesus establish the sacrament of confession there....
@davidjanbaz7728
@davidjanbaz7728 2 жыл бұрын
@@MariadeJesus-dt4ql LOL 😆 : Mormonism a real cult claims its church is the only true one, just like you do.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Several interesting points and I appreciate his journey (he's a lot farther along than I was at year one!). However, as long as "I don't have a problem with that," remains one's theological standard, one won't be Catholic. That's the issue he really needs to wrestle with.
@TheCordialCatholic
@TheCordialCatholic 2 жыл бұрын
Great point, Doug. Thanks for weighing in.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
​@@AaronR319 The issue (here at least) concerns the object of conscience. The conscience is directed to matters of moral obligation not on dogmatic theology. So first, while one's conscience has an important role to play in the discerning of right and wrong, it has little to nothing to do with distinguishing between matters of supernatural revelation. Jesus, for example, went against the grain on many moral issues with the people of his day, but nonetheless deserved agreement because of who he was. Second, once the Church has ruled on an issue of moral theology, the conscience's role is more focused on practical concerns. So while a faithful Catholic might disagree with a practical matter (like the application of the death penalty), they may not faithfully dissent from the Church's position on something like abortion by citing how they personally feel about it. Third, the role of the conscience in non-theologians is even more suspect in matters of sacred theology. Scholars may withhold assent provisionally from non-infallibly proposed teachings under certain conditions and they may debate such issues, but they do not serve the Church as authentic teachers if they promote views contrary to the Church's authoritative teaching. THEREFORE . . . because the Catholic identifies Christ's Church and then submits to its teachings due to its role, the Protestant method of choosing a church based on their personal agreement with its theology is non-Catholic by definition (and will remain so even if one personally decides to agree with Catholic teachings).
@namapalsu2364
@namapalsu2364 2 жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont "conscience has to do with moral obligation, not dogmatic theology." That is awesome. I'm going to put that up on facebook and twitter.
@namapalsu2364
@namapalsu2364 2 жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont What you said: *_"THEREFORE . . . because the Catholic identifies Christ's Church and then submits to its teachings due to its role, the Protestant method of choosing a church based on their personal agreement with its theology is non-Catholic by definition (and will remain so even if one personally decides to agree with Catholic teachings)._* ... is kind of what Romano Amerio said: *_"if heresy consists in holding a truth to have been revealed, not on the authority of its having been revealed, but because it accords with a subjective perception, [then] one can say that ... the whole concept of faith is converted in the concept of heresy, because the divine word is accepted only inasmuch as it receives the form of an individual conviction."_* - Romano Amerio on Iota Unum
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
@@namapalsu2364 And all of us are basically stealing from Thomas Aquinas. :)
@kragar4
@kragar4 2 жыл бұрын
I think Austin’s problem with apostolic succession seems weak. The continuous line of Popes is very clear, and that authority passed to Bishops and Priests. I don’t see it becoming weakened over time as Austin suggests.
@Reid-yy5nw
@Reid-yy5nw 2 жыл бұрын
What's continuous about it? Nothing could be FURTHER from the truth. Jesus NEVER once said salvation was VALID on the SILLY notion of apostolic succession! Stop it!
@saintejeannedarc9460
@saintejeannedarc9460 Жыл бұрын
Christ started a church, clearly based on the foundation of the apostles, w/ Christ as the chief cornerstone. This is where Catholics perhaps differ from other biblically based Christians, where Catholics see Peter as the rock. If Christ is the chief cornerstone and the trinity is one God, then when the laying on of hands is done for pastorate, then it's always the Holy Spirit that is consecrating that person to ministry. I'm sure Catholics believe it is the Holy Spirit that ultimately does the consecrating as well. We just don't put the emphasis on a lineage as you do. The Holy Spirit does not need a direct lineage to the apostles. He consecrates based on the apostolic foundation.
@BrettCoryell
@BrettCoryell 6 ай бұрын
Oh no. We're only a few minutes in and he's already attributed the name of the state of Maryland to the Virgin Mary instead of the queen of England, Henrietta Maria. This is so basic, it doesn't bode well for any of the other claims we're likely to hear in the rest of the video.
@Boxed4Y
@Boxed4Y 2 жыл бұрын
Austin's story...interesting at the beginning.....Now what?
@ChristopherWentling
@ChristopherWentling 2 жыл бұрын
Every priest is ordained by a bishop who has apostolic succession. Every priest can trace his linage back to the apostles.
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, that's not exactly true. You can look into this yourself if you're interested. In fact, a Catholic priest, Breaking in the Habit made a video about this recently. You can use sites like Catholic Hierarchy to trace bishop's succession, but the documentary evidence is not extant for all bishops. Many lose the trace in the Middle Ages.
@ChristopherWentling
@ChristopherWentling 2 жыл бұрын
@@GospelSimplicity losing trace isn’t the point. The ancient church usually tried to ordain bishops with 3 other bishops if at all possible. I would not expect documentary evidence to be extant for every diocese going back to the apostles but because of the ancient practice of the church I would expect it to be so. If your video you are referring to from breaking in the habit is: the lost, ancient tradition of bishops I don’t see where he maintains that apostolic succession was lost in the dark ages. Also, I listen to him but he does have a distinctly modernist interpretation of church history. His statement that the fundamental character of bishops in the church was lost but recovered in Vatican II I fundamentally disagree with. It is a shift in emphasis but the fundamental role of the bishop was never lost.
@jessiahstalbird9882
@jessiahstalbird9882 2 жыл бұрын
Look at the first 7 Ecumenical Councils. Remember, someone in the Hierarchy of the Church, choose what Books were acceptable and what Books were not acceptable to make up the New Testament Canon. Philosophy is the Love of Wisdom. But, Biblical Faith is [ Trusting ] in something you cannot [ Explicitly Prove. ]
@sillybearss
@sillybearss 2 жыл бұрын
52:30 I invited my protestant friends to a Low Mass. Yep, they didn't find it cool. They found their knees aching :'D
@BeneathHerMantle
@BeneathHerMantle 2 жыл бұрын
😂💖
@jldrumm
@jldrumm 2 жыл бұрын
I would figure that, after all these in-depth looks at Christianity, Austin would become Anglican more than anything else.
@zarnoffa
@zarnoffa 2 жыл бұрын
Anglican on the Lutheran side of the aisle.
@rolandovelasquez135
@rolandovelasquez135 2 жыл бұрын
"Why aren't you Catholic?" My own personal experience. Condensed version. I grew up in a Roman Catholic home. I can remember being about 19 years old and wondering if Jesus had been crucified in Rome or in Jerusalem. Such was the dire state of my knowledge of God's Word (the Bible). And of my parents (who were committed Catholics) and every other Roman Catholic I knew, as far as I could tell. Never a Bible verse was spoken. Came to realize I didn't know what I believed, that I was agnostic. Deep dark depression. Met a Christian. Showed me God's Word. Got saved. Praise God forevermore, and his Son. I've never gone back to that religion. Am now 68. 44 years with the Lord. So blessed. One other thing. Before encouraging anyone to become a member of the Roman Church, first consider your own clergy. Bishops and priests. The celibacy requirement will be remembered as one of the worst man made disasters of all time. Facts are facts. These are God's requirements for church ministers: ""An overseer (Bishop), then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach..." 1 Tim 3:2 "For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion. For the overseer must be above reproach as God’s steward, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict. Titus 1:5‭-‬9 "Husband of one wife" and "above reproach". The "above reproach" requirement would exclude several Popes of the middle ages who were, please excuse the expression, absolute moral monsters and definitely NOT followers of Christ. But don't believe me. Do yourself a favor and check it out for yourself. Thank God that Jesus is the Savior and not some imperfect religion. Praise Him forevermore.
@mikelopez8564
@mikelopez8564 Жыл бұрын
Rolando, it seems you misunderstand Paul’s exhortation regarding “one wife”. He wasn’t saying the bishops had to be married, but that if they were, that was it. Even if his wife passed away. Peter is a good example for this discipline. Also, you neglected to share in your post that Paul also said he wished others could follow him in celibacy because it is the better way, although people who couldn’t control their passions should marry. Also, what about Jesus’ teaching that some men remain celibate to glorify God and if one is able, let him do so ? Your comments misrepresent scripture and your religion is not helping you to be a follower of Jesus Christ. Love is greater than Faith. Yeah, Paul said that, too. Ciao.
@MikeM-cz5ln
@MikeM-cz5ln 2 жыл бұрын
“This inflexibility of the Church may seem narrow and intolerant, but only to those who do not stop to reflect that Christ promised that the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of truth, would guide His Church forever. This guidance is precisely what will cause his Church to forever adhere inflexibly to what it has always taught to be the true doctrine of Christ. Its very inflexibility is our security that what it teaches today is exactly what it taught in all past ages. What it teaches today is what it taught when the Protestants separated from it. It is what it taught when the Arians separated from it. It is what it taught when the Marcionites separated from it. It is what it taught before anyone separated from it. It is what it taught in the very beginning. How else could God expect his Church to act? There is no such thing as progress in religion. Change is only progress when it is in the right direction. If one already has the truth change is not progress. It is departure from-the truth. The Church began with the true version of religion. Christ Himself taught it. The Church has been teaching it ever since. Departure from its teaching constitutes departure from the truth. It constitutes a false version of religion. Christ Himself has told us what those things are that God expects of us. His version cannot be improved upon. Those who think that the teaching of the Church should be modernized and brought "up to date" should reflect that God is still God, that human beings are still merely His creatures, and that religion is what God expects human beings to know. Circumstances may have changed but God has not. He still expects human beings to do what He tells them, and not merely to do it under certain circumstances. Those who sincerely intend to do whatever God expects of them do not complain that the Church still teaches what Christ sent it to teach. On the contrary they are glad it does. It makes it possible for them to be sure they are on the right road.” - Fr. Gordon Knight - Rational theology Apologetics
@briantaylor4808
@briantaylor4808 2 жыл бұрын
On the topic of Apostolic succession. I see what you are saying Austin with the perspective from Gavin Ortlund. However, I believe you have to ask is God the same yesterday, today and forever, and did Jesus establish a faith that is once and for all handed down to the saints. This is where I humbly have to say it is not up to me to just start my own church, but rather I have to humble myself to the faith that has been passed down to me. And there is a freedom found in not being a slave to novelty and new doctrine, which is the biggest reason I went away from Protestantism. Holy tradition is this river of life, this is why I fall more and more in love with the Orthodox Church. In addition you should talk to orthodox priest, they can tell you the exact apostolic lineage they come from.
@petars4444
@petars4444 2 жыл бұрын
To me it seems Austin is under big influence of Gavin Ortlund and that he is idolizing him a bit. Ortlund seems to be great guy but boy, he makes some distortion of the fathers scripture historical churches (check lofton amd albrechts 2md response on augustine video for example..ortlund is busted bad) no wonder austin cant comprehend some things. He had such a great guests who really objectively explained better then ortlund some things and wrote books , but.. Well pray that Holy Spirit enlighten him, that is big part also, intelect really can mess you up and shut that voice of Holy Spirit.
@George-ur8ow
@George-ur8ow 2 жыл бұрын
@@petars4444 I have the same impression regarding Ortlund
@romasliv
@romasliv 11 ай бұрын
A simple research can show how Ortlund distort church fathers so bad
@cristian_5305
@cristian_5305 2 жыл бұрын
my non denominational church administers the Eucharist, or communion, every week
@halleylujah247
@halleylujah247 2 жыл бұрын
It is not the Eucharist according to the definition of the Catholic church. I am sure and glad it means a lot to you but words and definitions matter. If it isn't the transubstantiated body and blood of of Jesus as administered by a priest it is not the same. God bless.
@cristian_5305
@cristian_5305 2 жыл бұрын
@@halleylujah247 Well for clarification, I'm actually lutheran in my theology, and only go to a non denominational church in the meantime until I fully transition to a new church body; so I believe in the real presence. But nonetheless, regarding your statement, Rome doesn't have a monopoly on the sacraments. The Church is the congregation of saints, in which the Gospel is rightly taught and the Sacraments are rightly administered. And regarding the validity of ordination in Lutheran churches, Lutherans consider themselves as in continuity with the historic catholic (lowercase c) Church inasmuch as we maintain a succession of doctrine (which supercedes a succession of office).
@kyriosbooks8400
@kyriosbooks8400 2 жыл бұрын
fake Eucharist in nondenominational churches. True Eucharist is body blood soul and divinity of Christ. Those nondenominational doesnt have that - they don believe in that, often make fun of that, they have regular bread and remembrance. This is now even about Rome, its about Jesus teaching and which was believed in the early church. Scripture and early church Fathers not (just) Rome nullify you.
@kyriosbooks8400
@kyriosbooks8400 2 жыл бұрын
@David V they do nondenominotional - and I was talking about them, study up! And yes, in some matters they nullify and Luterans. But no way close to evangelicals, nondenominational etc.
@Normicgander
@Normicgander 2 жыл бұрын
@@halleylujah247 yes, by the sacrament of Holy Orders.
@myronmercado
@myronmercado 2 жыл бұрын
Austin thinks tracing parish priests from Apostolic succession doesn't go that far. Surprise, surprise! It does go that far. Check out one of the videos of Fr Casey Cole of the channel Breaking in the habit. He shares that around 80% of modern priests around the world now seem to go back to just this one bishop.
@Earsnot310
@Earsnot310 2 жыл бұрын
What a stupid statement.
@myronmercado
@myronmercado 2 жыл бұрын
@@Earsnot310 How respectful. Thank you.
@FalconOfStorms
@FalconOfStorms 2 жыл бұрын
This video made me realize how arrogant Catholicism still is. It's like they learned nothing before, during, or after the Reformation about being humble.
@aloyalcatholic5785
@aloyalcatholic5785 2 жыл бұрын
This is going to sound uncharitable, but I don’t really care if Austin becomes catholic. People need to stop acting like their faith rises or falls based on whether such and such celebrity decides to become catholic
@gwendolynnorton6329
@gwendolynnorton6329 2 жыл бұрын
Canadians aren’t exactly known for being pushy. Lol 😂
@delbert372
@delbert372 2 жыл бұрын
I’m completely convinced that the churches that Paul wrote to, and that John wrote to in Revelation, knew nothing of a priestly, sacerdotal system. I also find the reasons given by Catholic apologists for why the specific Greek word for “priest” is not used by New Testament writers to describe a church office to be desperate, weak, and implausible.
@sonialorris7537
@sonialorris7537 2 жыл бұрын
Well... you are wrong. Cause actually they spoke of Bishops and deacons. " and The "angels" of the Churches in Revelation are indeed nothing but the Bishops of those Churches 😊
@benjaminw309
@benjaminw309 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Took a few centuries and was first used for bishops. But what strikes more than that is how central it is to Catholicism and yet the practice itself, not just Hiereus, is completely absent from scripture. How can something so central be so absent?
@sonialorris7537
@sonialorris7537 2 жыл бұрын
@The Hesychast matthew 16 18-19 is always that light you skip, you don't consider. The Church has been given the authority to grow the way the Holy Spirit has willed for Her to grow...and there is no need to point that out. Let alone the fact that in the Scriptures there isn't all Church History.. and they do not lie on that. They clearly say it. Christianity is much much much more than what the New Testament writes. By the way, a Bishop is also a High Priest... the problem is that sometimes, you lack that theology of everlasting sacrifice in the altars (Eucharist) ,which was that breaking of the Bread Scriptures speek of. And where it is an altar, there is a Priest. I live in a city where underground we have catacombs of the first centuries. Guess what is in the middle? An altar. Christianity is also History, sacred traditions passed by mouth or by other scriptures that simply were not canonized and yet they exist and form what we are now. When the councils were held to define the Biblical Canon do you think our Bishops thaught that in the 21 century it would be necessary to specify an office (priesthood) they simply gave for granted and was part of their daily actions?
@benjaminw309
@benjaminw309 2 жыл бұрын
@The Hesychast I appreciate that you, like Jerome, recognize that the offices instituted in scripture are bishop and deacon - even though we may disagree about what exactly developed. I’ve spoken with many who believe that there was no development and these offices were always distinct. And frankly, you’re not giving up orthodoxy or Catholicism in recognizing that. Even Ignatius, the first writer to distinguish the offices, saw the Eucharist as the duty of the bishop and not the presbyter which would fit your view if you believe that duty was meted out to the presbyters some point after that. But it is very easy for people to look at things anachronistically when you see similar terminology used from which something developed. For example, entertain just for a moment that you don’t have any history or beliefs on the Eucharist. You live before Christs birth and somebody hands you bread and says “this is my body.” And don’t get distracted by what you may think I am arguing here. Would you think the person is trying to say it is literally his body? You would not, would you? I’m not talking about Christs words here. I’m talking about Ignatius. And I recognize that he was quoting Christ. I believe that the Eucharistic beliefs held by orthodox and Catholics are developments. And so when people see Ignatius repeating the words of Christ, they say “see! The church has always believed this!” But I believe they are reading Ignatius anachronistically. He just repeated the words of Christ. He wasn’t arguing against a Protestant position. But because of beliefs which developed, he is so often seen as an absolutely clear example of the Catholic or orthodox positions. And to be clear I don’t think the fathers were Protestant, but because of developments, it is so easy for those who believe the developments to see an entire system where only a seed exists. And the orthodox,while similar, don’t go quite as far as Catholicism regarding the Eucharist and Transubstantiation. Developments do exist. The question is to what extent. That is why it is so important to hold scripture above tradition. When I look at scripture, I see no New Testament priesthood like you believe. Such a central system is completely absent. How can that be? And not only is it absent, Hebrews strongly argues against it. The Levitical system had to repeat the same sacrifices over and over because it could not perfect those for who whom it was performed. But Christ offered himself up once for all. And by that one offering he perfected them forever that are sanctified. The repetitive representing of Christs sacrifice by the Catholic and orthodox goes against the purpose and need of Christ’s one sacrifice.
@saturdaysolitude7800
@saturdaysolitude7800 2 жыл бұрын
Austin seems like he's slowly accepting the teachings of the Church. Ha!
@Reid-yy5nw
@Reid-yy5nw 2 жыл бұрын
GOD FORBID!
@terrencemedders1867
@terrencemedders1867 2 жыл бұрын
1:03:25 I agree that this question is the lynchpin in the appraisal of the Roman Catholic Church by merit of just how much of the theology and traditions weight rests upon it. I feel a need to say, though, that I felt "Apostolic succession" was the most important aspect of the Orthodox Catholic Church as well as a means of deriving just how trustworthy these traditions were, coming from the Protestant perspective. I did much research before I ever stepped foot an Orthodox church, and I believed that to be the case all the way up until that first divine liturgy. For me, the fullness presented with the liturgy, iconography, and hagiography rendered these questions of authority irrelevant.
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