Why this thoughtful Protestant isn’t Catholic (yet?)

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The Counsel of Trent

The Counsel of Trent

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In this episode Trent sits down with Austin from the “Gospel Simplicity” channel to ask about his investigation of Protestantism, Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy.
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@javiermariscal5712
@javiermariscal5712 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate the honesty from Austin here. Regardless of your denomination, there is a very uncomfortable existential angst when you realize just how many opposing theological opinions there are. Some completely contradictory. Doesn't mean the Truth doesn't exist, it just means it takes effort to get to
@Lay-Man
@Lay-Man 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN That's true. Sometimes I think about it. Christianity is a religion that you can go in many different perspectives. Some people even put reason above the articles of faith and still believe the cardinal doctrines.
@halleylujah247
@halleylujah247 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN too bad that is not what is in the Bible or what Jesus taught.
@javiermariscal5712
@javiermariscal5712 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN Oh sure, on non essentials like exactly how old the earth is, how exactly does predestination work, etc. But differences between Churches on the Bible’s divine authorship, doctrine of Salvation, gay marriage and others are big deals wouldn’t you say?
@josedalisay5760
@josedalisay5760 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN One problem with having many theological perspectives in Protestantism is that the doctrine of justification is essentially different among many Protestant denominations. There is Calvinism, Hyper-Calvinism, Arminianism, Baptismal regeneration, etc. There are those who teach that once you’re saved, you’ll remain saved no matter what you do (a false doctrine that wasn’t even taught in the first 1500 years of Christendom); there are those who teach that you can fall away from the faith and lose hold of the life of God (which is correct); there are those who teach that God predestines people to hell (which is false); there are those who teach that you do not need to do any “works” at all in order to get to heaven (which is false); and there are those who teach that we do not need the “works of the Law of Moses” but still need to do good works to enter heaven (which is correct); and there are those who teach that baptism does not forgive sins (which is false); and there are those who teach through baptism there is a remission of sins (which is correct). The doctrine of justification is a serious doctrine, so if people get it wrong, it can be detrimental to their souls and the souls of others. But if you are referring only to minor subjects such as perspectives on evolution, the nature of heaven, etc, then I agree that numerous perspectives can help broaden our understanding.
@hyeminkwun9523
@hyeminkwun9523 2 жыл бұрын
@@josedalisay5760 Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord" will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only the one who does the will of My Father in Heaven (Matt 7:21). Many will say to Me on that day, "Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name? (Matt 7:22) Then I will declare to them solemnly, "I NEVER KNEW YOU. Depart from Me, you evil doers" (Matt 7:23). You read scriptures, but understand them in your own human way for your own peril and not in the Spirit and Truth in which one must worship God (John 4:24). To teach all peoples down to the end of times in Spirit and Truth so that they may believe in Me (John 17:20) and thus may have eternal life (John 3:16), I founded My Church (Matt 16:18), the Roman Catholic Church, and sent them to baptize and teach all nations to observe ALL that I have commanded (Matt 28:20). I said, "Whoever listens to you, listens to Me. Whoever rejects you, rejects Me and rejects the One who sent Me (Luke 10:16)." Some of you do not believe (John 6:36) ALL I have spoken and commanded. Whoever rejects Me and does not accept My Words has something to judge him; the word that I spoke, it will condemn him on the last day (John 12:48). You do not believe because you are not among My sheep (John 10:26). My sheep hears My voice and I KNOW THEM and they follow Me (John 10:27). Our Lord is very grieved and suffers by those who reject His Church and follow separated churches founded by men, not by God-man, who teach heresies and a partial truth, blind leading blind (Matt 15:14). These are branches separated from the Vine by their own free will and will be thrown into a fire (John 15:6) if they do not graft onto the Vine. Even though they proclaim the Name of Our Lord, they are the ones who deserve His words "Depart from Me, you evil doers." Why evil doers? Because they pretend to be sent by God to teach, use the Name of the Lord for their own interests, lure unsuspecting souls using the Gospel and then, mislead and confuse them who, out of ignorance, do not know the True Way, obstruct them from finding the True Church and Faith, and teach heresies and a partial truth as the Truth, endangering souls to perdition. All their work is against Our Lord and helps His enemy, therefore, is evil. Brothers and sisters in Christ, why risk your eternal salvation by remaining in Error? Time is urgent since we are now living through the great tribulations and the appearance of the Antichrist (2 Thes 2:8) is very near. Like the prodigal son (Luke 15:11-32), return quickly to the Father's House, the Catholic Church, Our Lord's Sheepfold, before it is too late and make Heaven rejoice. Our Lord said, "Unless you eat My Flesh and drink My Blood, you do not have life in you (John 6:53). And he that eats My Flesh and drinks My Blood has everlasting life (John 6:55)." Our Lord is waiting for you with open arms and loving heart in His Church to save you, giving Himself in His Body and Blood (Luke 22:19-20, Matt 26:26-28)! May God bless you and lead you along His Way!
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 2 жыл бұрын
It takes real intellectual and spiritual humility to do what Austin is doing.
@ntmn8444
@ntmn8444 2 жыл бұрын
If he only knew how many people he brought back to Catholicism! His video on St John Cantius was absolutely one of the best videos I’d ever seen. I was so inspired by it, I knew I had to go see that church for myself.
@MPFXT
@MPFXT 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN The video included a lot of explanation of what we believe as Catholics and information specifically on St John Cantius Church and the spiritual significance of several things about a Catholic Church including even the building itself, but if you think the Catholic Church is exclusively about its buildings then you've nearly missed the point infinitely...
@ntmn8444
@ntmn8444 2 жыл бұрын
@@MPFXT this! Exactly. It wasn’t the building, it was how intricate everything is. It all has a reason to be there. It was from that video that I realized the Church was what I was looking for.
@ntmn8444
@ntmn8444 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN bro, we all knew you’d show up eventually 😂
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN Welcome, friend! 🙏💗🙏
@lh1053
@lh1053 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! I agree, it’s what got me back deeper and more reverent. Lead me to so many other KZfaqrs.
@joeterp5615
@joeterp5615 2 жыл бұрын
Austin seems like such a humble guy. Trent didn’t shy away from pressing him pretty good lol, but Austen accepted Trent’s advice with such a gentle humble spirit. This is the first time I’ve ever seen him, but I will watch more of him because I just really like the way he came across here. Very smart guy, articulate, but also listens well such that his answers are completely on point with the questions. Would love to have him in the family.
@Coastie4
@Coastie4 2 жыл бұрын
How does Austin or any other protestant reconcile with obedience mentioned in Jn 3:36
@Coastie4
@Coastie4 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 SDA?
@lois2997
@lois2997 Жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 wah but Catholicism stop whining on catholic pages Tony . get a life, you need serious mental help to be so obsessed with something you claim to hate. There is something seriously wrong with you
@heroicacts5218
@heroicacts5218 2 жыл бұрын
I wish you a happy and lasting marriage, Austin! Congrats!
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@albertaowusu1790
@albertaowusu1790 2 жыл бұрын
He is going to have to do it all over again when he converts.
@marygr8064
@marygr8064 2 жыл бұрын
I found Austin through his visits to monasteries. What a wonderful journey he is pursuing!
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you found the channel!
@brianback6136
@brianback6136 2 жыл бұрын
Austin is a great example of a sincere seeker. It has been fun to watch his 'faith' journey unfold before our eyes. Not only entertaining but also helpful. All faithful Christians can learn from his example. Great maturity! Great curiosity! Great temperament! Thank you to you both for this excellent conversation!!!
@MN-nu4vu
@MN-nu4vu 2 жыл бұрын
Virtues (humility, impartiality, intellectual honesty) and the grace of God will lead us to unity and fullness of faith. Praying for you and your family, Austin!
@ryanrogers3610
@ryanrogers3610 2 жыл бұрын
I came into the Catholic Church after going to Bible college and completing an MDiv at TEDS. Went through two years of that analysis paralysis while considering converting. A quick thought on that. The very problem of analysis paralysis is (in my view) an argument in favor of something like Catholicism. The epistemological problem begs for an answer like Catholicism or Orthodoxy, not a hodgepodge of options that can never be authoritatively adjudicated in order to provide some kind of unity. God is loving and good. He promised the church His Spirit and to lead us into all truth. The average layperson can't practically sort ALL these doctrines out solo. That to me speaks in favor of God leaving us with a living magisterium so that the faithful can know they're in the truth without needing decades of higher level education in theology and church history to sort all that out. Loved the discussion
@joeterp5615
@joeterp5615 2 жыл бұрын
Beautifully said Ryan. I’m a cradle Catholic… but that doesn’t mean I’ve always fully appreciated the gift of the Church. But the more I’ve investigated specific teachings during my life, the more I realize what an amazing gift the church is - and that yes, it can be relied on. Sometimes when we are young, we think we can figure all this stuff out with our intellects and perhaps even with the help of God lol. I was that way. Now I start from a different vantage point, if I don’t understand something I now ASSUME the Church is correct and then seek to understand why, and am not disappointed when I do. Having this bit-humbler take on things has been good for me, and is a protection against some of the changing winds or emotional arguments we might hear on issues of the day in the culture at large.
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 2 жыл бұрын
To say nothing of researching each book of the Bible to determine they're worthy of being in the Bible!❤️🙏
@ericb871
@ericb871 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 You are entitled to your opinion, but I'd question on what authority your interpretation is truth? If you say his Spirit guides you in truth, well then, I'd point out that it was promised to his Church and not to you specifically just as you quoted above. It's not how you interpret these verses but the Church
@peaceandjoy2568
@peaceandjoy2568 2 жыл бұрын
So true. Lay people like myself do not have a degree on nor have the resources to study dogmatic theology. And even if I did I would most likely get several things wrong in interpreting the Scriptures and the world in general because of concupiscence. Christ gave us a safeguard against error and ensured that we receive the fullness of the truth of His revelation so that our faith in Him is authentic and so that we may live in truth.
@cyriljorge986
@cyriljorge986 2 жыл бұрын
The magisterium does nothing. Watch the video "the papacy is circular" then read Denny, Guettee, Siecienski.
@delvaassante5699
@delvaassante5699 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this interview, and was so happy to see it pop up in my notifications today! Love Austin and his channel - He’s such an insightful and honest young man. Great interview Trent. Will keep praying for Austin.
@VincentJohnValentine
@VincentJohnValentine 7 ай бұрын
What you mentioned @7:45 is so deeply accurate, I recently converted and it was honestly a sense of nausea that I felt mostly. As soon as I reaffirmed that RCIA and conversion was the path I wished to take, then came friends, colleagues, and family asking questions or even coming from a place of hostility. As if I had mastered the art of apologetics by week three of RCIA! However, I have began answering what I can (what drew me to a channel such as this, thank you, Trent!) and sending the rest to the questioner's local parish. After that initial nausea of leaving the faith I was born into and knew for a 100% fact was false, then came the frustration of people I know and regard highly seemingly interrogating me, finally came the sorrow. The great sorrow felt when one learns just how deep the divisions amongst the various denominations are, the sheer amount of mud, anger, even hate that is constantly flying from one house filled with God's children at another. The Lord came to my comfort in this final difficulty, thankfully. As I launched my investigation into the Catholic faith, I simultaneously began reading the Holy Bible, cover to cover, for the first ever time. The day the frustration gave way to sorrow I had made my way to Mark 9:38-41, I won't go full Christian nerd and drop the whole passage, but it's when John tells Jesus that there are others doing good works in His name, yet they do not follow us. The Lord tells him that those doing good in the name of Christ shall not be denied their reward. It has been such an immense comfort for me.
@grivsxiaomi4661
@grivsxiaomi4661 Жыл бұрын
May Jesus be your guidance. Be faithful to Jesus. I'm a Catholic. 100% Catholic. Till I die. I proud to be a Catholic.
@finallythere100
@finallythere100 10 ай бұрын
It’s the only hill to die on…
@pluto4847
@pluto4847 9 ай бұрын
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18. I completely understand that there is indeed tribalism within denominations. Who wouldn't want to be proud of their religion, but the reservation I have is this. Why be proud of a Catholic faith? You should be proud of Jesus Christ the Lord and savior of all who died once for the atonement of mankind. My litmus test of a true follower of Jesus is based on where their allegiance stands? If you love Jesus, you will do the things Jesus asks of us. I've seen people who claim to be Christian, but they hate blacks. If hate is in you, the love of the Father isn't in you. I'm not saying you are racist, but I've seen plenty of Catholics who go to Church on Sunday, serve the Eucarist but act like an ass the rest of the week. What's that all about? I've seen people who claim to love God, but neglect His word--namely the Gospel message. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. EPS 2:8-9. That means a true believer cannot add or subtract to Christ's Gospel of truth. The words of God are not even based on my opinions as they are direct commands that God gives us in HIS holy word. Purgatory, indulgences, and Mary adoration is not what I call being true to "His Word." And again, my Litmus test is this. If I mention Christ and you flea from that name that your not a Christian but a hypocrite. I know that sounds harsh, but again II don't make the rules--GOD does but ou Catholics don't see it that way.
@pluto4847
@pluto4847 9 ай бұрын
@@finallythere100 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18. I completely understand that there is indeed tribalism within denominations. Who wouldn't want to be proud of their religion, but the reservation I have is this. Why be proud of a Catholic faith? You should be proud of Jesus Christ the Lord and savior of all who died once for the atonement of mankind. My litmus test of a true follower of Jesus is based on where their allegiance stands? If you love Jesus, you will do the things Jesus asks of us. I've seen people who claim to be Christian, but they hate blacks. If hate is in you, the love of the Father isn't in you. I'm not saying you are racist, but I've seen plenty of Catholics who go to Church on Sunday, serve the Eucarist but act like an ass the rest of the week. What's that all about? I've seen people who claim to love God, but neglect His word--namely the Gospel message. For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. EPS 2:8-9. That means a true believer cannot add or subtract to Christ's Gospel of truth. The words of God are not even based on my opinions as they are direct commands that God gives us in HIS holy word. Purgatory, indulgences, and Mary adoration is not what I call being true to "His Word." And again, my Litmus test is this. If I mention Christ and you flea from that name that your not a Christian but a hypocrite. I know that sounds harsh, but again II don't make the rules--GOD does but ou Catholics don't see it that way.
@RaulRamirez-nx5sb
@RaulRamirez-nx5sb 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite Gospel Simplicity episode is the one year anniversary. Austin was so honest and sincere about his spiritual journey. Trent is so blessed to have him on his show; and viceversa. Great work guys!
@viviennedunbar3374
@viviennedunbar3374 2 жыл бұрын
When I want some beauty and encouragement as. a Catholic I watch Austin being shown around St John Cantius by the pastor or I watch the other Protestant gentleman (10.minutr Bible Hour) being shown around the Cathedral in Utah. Plus the two interviews with each priest.
@navinfernandes747
@navinfernandes747 2 жыл бұрын
Congrats Austin on your marriage.. u r a really humble man.. God bless!!
@bmstellar
@bmstellar 2 жыл бұрын
Great discussion. Thanks Trent and Austin.
@thesportsanalyst4625
@thesportsanalyst4625 2 жыл бұрын
I love his channel!
@emmyroobug
@emmyroobug 2 жыл бұрын
I entered the Catholic Church a few years after graduating from Moody. I wanted to go back for a couple extra counseling classes, but would have to reapply, and one of the requirements to attend is to be active in a Protestant church. Sad :(
@NewYorkDoll_911
@NewYorkDoll_911 2 жыл бұрын
This is the second Catholic channel I've seen you troll tony. What's the matter? No social life besides arguing with people you don't agree on the internet? You know nothing about the Catholic Church besides the rubbish ideas your church has taught you. We'll pray for you since you are probably not been taught correctly.
@marccrotty8447
@marccrotty8447 2 жыл бұрын
Emily. At least I respect Moody's for having standards. You don't say how long it has been, but welcome to the family of God. If possible, attend the Latin Mass. This is the "old time religion".
@emmyroobug
@emmyroobug 2 жыл бұрын
@@marccrotty8447 Oh, I have a ton of respect for Moody and their consistency. Just sad that I can’t take those couple extra classes there to change my license type. I will say, my coming into the Church strained my relationships with a few friends from Moody, but over all I think my friends respect the decision. I was received into the Church in 2017. I attend a very reverent Novus Ordo. I do appreciate the Latin Mass, but the TLM parish in my town is extremely divisive, so I’ll stay put.
@marccrotty8447
@marccrotty8447 2 жыл бұрын
@@emmyroobug It hurts to read of a Latin Mass congregation that lacks charity. The Latin Mass chapel that I attend (Silver Spring, MD) strives to be open and accepting. There was once a complaint about children disrupting Mass. Leadership placed a permanent notice in the bulletin that we appreciate having children at our Mass and to thank parents for bringing the little ones, especially at 8am! Perhaps you could be a good influence on those folks.
@emmyroobug
@emmyroobug 2 жыл бұрын
@@marccrotty8447 I’m glad to hear that you are in a loving Latin Mass community. Unfortunately, “lacks charity” is putting it mildly. I know many people who love the Latin Mass, but have left the parish here because of major issues both with the congregation and with the priest. Most of them have compared leaving the parish to leaving a cult. I’m going to stay where I am, where my priest is faithful to our Bishop and to Rome, and is honestly one of the godliest and most spirit-filled men I’ve ever met. The Mass may not be as beautiful, but it is valid and is celebrated in spirit and in truth!
@st.saturninia9179
@st.saturninia9179 2 жыл бұрын
Going from evangelicalism to Catholicism is like turning a barge, not a speedboat. There are many paradigms that must, and do, change. This is intellectually, spiritually and socially laborious. But 100% worth it. A great book describing this journey is Christian Smith’s ‘How to Go From Being A Good Evangelical to a Committed Catholic in 95 Difficult Steps’.
@nightshade99
@nightshade99 2 жыл бұрын
Why not just learn scripture?
@kateguilfoyle5155
@kateguilfoyle5155 2 жыл бұрын
That’s hilarious! Great title.
@nightshade99
@nightshade99 2 жыл бұрын
@@kateguilfoyle5155 How so?
@Jacob-TX
@Jacob-TX 2 жыл бұрын
I'd rather just go with the Tridentine Creed and let the changes happen naturally from there. If we hold to the creeds tightly, you can't venture too terribly far from Catholicism.
@nightshade99
@nightshade99 2 жыл бұрын
@@Jacob-TX Certainly you can; the RCC is not Christian.
@Motomack1042
@Motomack1042 2 жыл бұрын
Good to hear you Austin, congratulations on your marriage, look forward to seeing what comes down the pipe.
@wjtruax
@wjtruax 2 жыл бұрын
Trent - I volunteer to pre-read your book. I'm a recovering Calvinist Presbyterian who is currently a practicing Anglican, but I would honestly be more comfortable in a Western Rite Orthodox church at the moment which, naturally, is causing me to look toward Rome. The witness of our local Catholic Priest, who has become a good friend and regular holiday dinner guest, is also a strong influence. As far as your book goes, though, I was steeped in and extremely serious about Calvinist Reformed theology for almost 20 years, and never thought I could possibly leave it, so I can certainly look at your book through those lenses. BTW...I cringe when anyone refers to Anglicans as "Protestant." The British Church and its liturgy and traditions predate any 16th century activities by more than a millennium. In general, I now find it incredible (in the formal sense of the word) that our Lord would have allowed the core of his Church to become so "deformed" that it would ever have to be "reformed." I want to worship in the true, ancient, and living Church of Jesus Christ.
@aadamy
@aadamy 2 жыл бұрын
I also refer to myself as a recovering Calvinist! Didn’t know there were others. The theology causes such a schizophrenia. It was very difficult to understand how God loves me and not just tolerates me. It felt very similar to how Muslims view God, over emphasizing God’s Sovereignty to the point where His will seemed arbitrary to me.
@wjtruax
@wjtruax 2 жыл бұрын
It was actually a sermon at our old Presbyterian church that pushed me over the edge. In the retelling of the story in which the sinful woman washed our Lord’s feet with her tears, it finally became clear to me that this woman likely had no theological training, could not articulate any accurate biblical definition of what Messiah would do, etc. In short, all she knew was that she needed grace, mercy, and love - and this man could, and would, give it. She threw herself at his feet and gave herself up to him in worship and adoration. I began to realize that, in the Calvinist world, I had placed a lot of faith in my own faith, and not in Christ’s abundant love and mercy. Instead of formulae (5 points of Calvinism, 5 solas, etc.), I can simply trust in our Lord to be gracious, merciful, kind, and loving.
@joeterp5615
@joeterp5615 2 жыл бұрын
@@wjtruax wow - that is a BEAUTIFUL testimony that really boils things down to the basics. Something to meditate on, and to pray for that grace to become more like that woman with a heart overflowing in thanksgiving to God for his constant mercy and love.
@davidjanbaz7728
@davidjanbaz7728 2 жыл бұрын
@@wjtruax I would encourage you to check out Dr.Michael S.Heiser videos on( the Naked Bible Podcast ): he tries to eliminate all the specific traditional interpretations that may not be what Jesus was really saying such as Peter being this Rock or is it Peter's confession. Check out his videos on Jesus 2nd temple period Biblical Judaism teachings of the Bible.
@wjtruax
@wjtruax 2 жыл бұрын
@Thomas B While I truly appreciate your concern for my soul, your assumption of what I mean by “comfortable” is inaccurate, and t I choose not to use this forum to elaborate.
@MyImmaculateQueen
@MyImmaculateQueen 2 жыл бұрын
I love Austin's videos. I always thought he was on a path to Catholicism. I hope so very much!!!
@viviennedunbar3374
@viviennedunbar3374 2 жыл бұрын
In God's timing.
@MyImmaculateQueen
@MyImmaculateQueen 2 жыл бұрын
@@viviennedunbar3374 Yes! I am going to pray for him at adoration. I want to hang out with him in eternity. He has a beautiful soul.
@husq48
@husq48 Жыл бұрын
@@MyImmaculateQueen So you think that unless he converts to Catholicism, he will go to Hell?
@MyImmaculateQueen
@MyImmaculateQueen Жыл бұрын
@@husq48 I want Austin to have the fullness of truth and to unite his soul with the soul of Jesus in the Holy Sacrament of Communion. That's true love ❤️
@berwynsigns4115
@berwynsigns4115 9 ай бұрын
​@@husq48CCC 845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation. The Church is "the world reconciled." She is that bark which "in the full sail of the Lord's cross, by the breath of the Holy Spirit, navigates safely in this world." According to another image dear to the Church Fathers, she is prefigured by Noah's ark, which alone saves from the flood.334 "Outside the Church there is no salvation" 846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body: Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336 847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337 848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338
@Jerome616
@Jerome616 2 жыл бұрын
Oh wow, pre covid I used to watch his channel!! Great to see him again. Glad he is doing well.
@Jerome616
@Jerome616 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN yes, full time kid watching does that to you 😅
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
Not many people can say they watched my channel pre covid! That's wonderful to hear
@Free1inhim
@Free1inhim Жыл бұрын
Thankful to hear a conversation instead of a battle.
@EllenJohn4
@EllenJohn4 Ай бұрын
I love Austin’s honesty and stability. Really enjoy listening to him.
@johnburford7862
@johnburford7862 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Austin! As a convert from Protestantism to Catholicism, I recommend “Born Fundamentalist, Born Again Catholic” by David Currie. It made a big impact on my conversion and a few other converts I know.
@alecp8772
@alecp8772 2 жыл бұрын
Currently reading Joe Heschmeyer’s: The Early Church was the Catholic Church - it presents the historical evidence of leaders of the Early Church (almost immediately after the apostles) making the same claims that the Catholic Church upholds today (Real Presence in the Eucharist, Regenerative Baptism, Authority of Bishops, Mass as a Sacrifice). Features the writings of St. Ignatius of Antioch (107 a.d.), St. Clement (a.d. 96), St. Theophilus (a.d. 181), St. Polycarp of Smyrna (a.d. 69-155), St. Irenaeus of Lyons (130-202), and others.
@lucasvinicios4687
@lucasvinicios4687 2 жыл бұрын
Others? Who?
@lucasvinicios4687
@lucasvinicios4687 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have that book on pdf?
@mynameis......23
@mynameis......23 2 жыл бұрын
@@lucasvinicios4687 Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.
@hemsty2
@hemsty2 Жыл бұрын
What a brilliant conversation with two of my favourite religious presenters on KZfaq - so respectful with no unkind comments from either of you. Thank you both and I'll keep Austin in my prayers that one day he can come and join us in the Catholic faith - I know he will be really welcome and be a great contributor to the church
@edwardpimentel7417
@edwardpimentel7417 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the thought exercises from Trent!
@jackdispennett744
@jackdispennett744 2 жыл бұрын
23:20 (on talking about how it was difficult for him to hop from one church to another every week in investigating different ones): I totally agree there. The first few weeks I was in RCIA, I was still attending the Methodist congregation I'd been going to previously. I found the experience to be too jarring, so I bid my Methodist pastor farewell and started going to Mass every week. I think that going to Mass every week, week in and week out, added to the catechetical nature of RCIA classes I was in, and I think I would have had a deficient experience in RCIA had I not been attending weekly Mass (and Holy Days of Obligation). There were also various experiential things, like giving up meat on Fridays in Lent, that are just necessarily part of the experience that you can't just get from reading a book.
@glendavis3257
@glendavis3257 2 жыл бұрын
I hated the Catholic Church in 1990, because they told my wife not to marry me; because I had been divorced and was 10 years older than her. She married me anyway and sent me to Medjugorje by myself about 14 years after marrying me. I thought it was a hoax, until I went there myself=I got converted and was baptized into the Catholic Church in 1991! That was the best gift She has given me; not counting the 7 children 4 of which would not have been here without my conversion to the True Church of Jesus Christ founded on the ROCK of Saint Peter! I admit there are many problems in our Church, but hey, they took me in; and they take lots of men into the ranks of priesthood; who should have become garbage collectors. They also took in Judas Iscariot the betrayer of Jesus the first Bad Priest in the Catholic Church. In spite of all us problem men; the Church continues on, because Jesus is Truly Present with us at every Mass and has promised that the gates of hell would not win in the end. He has put His Own Mother in Charge of the battle and promises"IN the End Her Immaculate Heart will TRIUMPH! All you need to do is pick sides so you will be on the winning side when the battle is over= that side is being a faithful member of the Roman Catholic Church! WE. ALWAYS WIN !!!
@jeremiahong248
@jeremiahong248 2 жыл бұрын
@glen Davis. I agree with most your comments except the garbage collectors. These bad priests are the Judas of our time. They should end up where he went. Garbage collectors make an honest living. They deserve our respect. And I am not leftist 😉
@viviennedunbar3374
@viviennedunbar3374 2 жыл бұрын
I was an atheist and after a conversion experience on my own country was baptized in Medjuorje in 1988 when I was 19. Praise God for his love and mercy.
@ColleenB10
@ColleenB10 2 жыл бұрын
Wow!
@deanphilipsaunders775
@deanphilipsaunders775 Жыл бұрын
Amen glen davis God bless you and your family.
@pemcortes9467
@pemcortes9467 Жыл бұрын
Love your story. Indeed, even when we shed blood and seemingly lost, the seed of faith sprouts and becomes a huge tree.
@dynamic9016
@dynamic9016 9 ай бұрын
Really appreciate this video.
@craig2535
@craig2535 2 жыл бұрын
I like Austin and his channel. I like the new haircut too. Trent is really good too. Appreciate people like you that have the knowledge & intellect to discuss these things.
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 2 жыл бұрын
Hey-lo, Trent. Super small youtube channel over here; but, I’m Catholic and I married an atheist whose family’s background is in Buddhism. She’s originally from China. I did a series were I took her to different Protestant demonstration services, the series never took off. But I live in a Catholic community, the Rio Grade Valley, and we have very many protestant churches & even a major mormon church and as well as Jehovah witnesses that try to gain ground and do missionary work down here to get us Catholics Saved. I did my series more in the Matt Wittman from the 10 minute bible hour method than I did Austin’s style. But Catholics do explore our neighboring denominations too, if for no other reason than to know what they claim about us. We have some of those Christ not religion Churches popping up now too, several evangelical mega churches. Most of the Catholics here are poorly catechized and participate in Mexican Cult practices that distort the faith. I know my channel doesn’t have enough traction to make a difference, maybe you could shed some light down here in the Valley of deep south texas on the Mexican boarder? Just saying.
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 2 жыл бұрын
That McAllen Texas LDS temple public open house will be at the end of the year. Are you going to walk through it?
@alpha4IV
@alpha4IV 2 жыл бұрын
@@HaleStorm49 I bike pass it on my long rides. It looks beautiful. The Basilica of Our Lady of San Juan De Velle, right next to McAllen is only slightly larger.
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN Haven't met many honest people who claim the temples aren't impressive on the inside. The ceremony is far less interesting than the black swan results they produce. Wouldnt you agree? With regard to sacredness or secrecy, I would caution you with a couple observations from the scriptures: 1) The Lord's teaching that those who are not given the mysteries of the kingdom are given parables; "seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand." The things they think they understand become a detriment and stumbling block to their own progression. This is a theme from the beginning of the OT to the end of the NT. 2) There are warnings from the Lord in scripture about those who don't come in the door of the sheepfold, but enter some other way, as being a robber and a thief. The Lord teaches that those who attempt to enter the wedding feast without the proper garment will be speechless...because many are called but few are chosen. This Lord's marriage supper is also referenced in the book of revelation with its guests being adorned in clean white linens representing their righteousness. There is instruction here relating to both symbolism and process. We probably interpret these scriptures very differently but I believe that IF you were seeking for truth and wisdom - you would never find either via the means you have chosen. I used to think the person without the wedding garment in Matthew 22 was perhaps a bad person or a servant of the opposition - since they were cast into outer darkness afterward, however, verse 10 says that both bad and good people were bidden to the feast. Why then was this person without a garment left "speechless" when asked why he was present without a garment? IMO your response is one of the best explanations for how someone in that position will be "speechless"
@HaleStorm49
@HaleStorm49 2 жыл бұрын
@@alpha4IV I wasn't familiar with the Basilica (I'm not from TX) it's very impressive.
@gloriadei3400
@gloriadei3400 2 жыл бұрын
@alphacenturian Please don't fall for Mormonism: research before you (hopefully don't) visit. It's important to know what they teach first, and what objections Catholicism has against it.
@jbloe555
@jbloe555 2 жыл бұрын
Austin seems like such a nice young man. I thoroughly enjoyed watching his videos because he's objective, not one of those rabid, post cobbled together Bible verses that they think make sense, but are theologically an inch deep. It's not that I am some great theologian, but I have a 2,000 year history of the most brilliant minds in Christianity to lean on. This is what dialogue should be.
@BrandonSmith-gb7cw
@BrandonSmith-gb7cw 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN I guess the apostles and Jesus and the church fathers are canceled with this logic because they surely didn’t have any answers that modern science had. I guess the apostles and their successors immediately lost the true gospel until modern science came around for us to understand things better and Martin Luther rediscovered the ACTUAL truth. Makes sense….
@Joliebebe2001
@Joliebebe2001 Жыл бұрын
Great convo ❤
@Bungadin2845
@Bungadin2845 2 жыл бұрын
Best wishes to Austin and Meagan for the future. God bless you and be with you both.
@jimmydavid1993
@jimmydavid1993 2 жыл бұрын
Austin I am impressed with your lucid responses. Not only honest but very sensible.
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@alex123bob9
@alex123bob9 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on your marriage young man. Love each other well.
@HopeKing
@HopeKing 2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe he isn't catholic yet! I though he had converted. Tha5 just stunned me. I have seen just a few seconds of his videos. I saw him in the Kwith Nester Channel. I myself am exploring. I didn't even recognize him with the hair cut. Looks great!
@mynameis......23
@mynameis......23 2 жыл бұрын
Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.
@tynytian
@tynytian 2 жыл бұрын
@@mynameis......23 it's Mr. Copypaste! Still pushing that anti-Catholic koolaid, huh?
@udmgraduate
@udmgraduate 2 жыл бұрын
I converted from Protestantism in 2011. I too, see my journey in Austin.
@mojo7495
@mojo7495 2 жыл бұрын
Well you made the worst decision of your life and will suffer dearly for it on Judgment Day. Those with a thinking brain enlightened by the Spirit must always REJECT the claims of popery due to their being a bunch of false prophets. Specifically, the catechism quotes the Council of Trent (which claimed to be guided by the Holy Spirit TWICE in their decree on the Eucharist) and states that the Catholic religion may be SUMMARIZED in one sentence --which, as will be shown, just happens to be a lie. So buckle your seat belts. Notice the words in caps... “Christ our Redeemer SAID that it was TRULY his body he was OFFERING [in sacrifice at the Last Supper] ...." (CCC 1376). Aside from the fact it is point blank, flatly unbiblical to assert that Christ "offered himself in sacrifice at the Last Supper BEFORE he went to the cross" (CCC 621) because there is a specific time for everything (Ecc 3), the worse error is to misquote Jesus Christ who DID NOT SAY that the bread was "TRUUUUUUULY" his body. He said, "This is my body", period, not that the bread was "TRUUUULY" his body. Obviously, the magisterium felt the biblical account was inadequate to stand on its own, and so in reaction to the Reformers, they stuck a word in Christ's mouth to force their position that Christ was speaking literally about eating his flesh, down the gullible laity's throats pretending the Holy Spirit was guiding them.NO, the Holy Spirit was certainly NOT guiding them to add to the Text, now wake up! The fact is, the words, "This is" are shown to be metaphorical by at least 50 examples throughout the biblical record, whereas papal pundits simply ASSERT, without a scrap of evidence, that Jesus was speaking literally! If they want to risk their souls on a single-word MISQUOTE which claims to SUMMARIZE the entirety of their religious existence, then so be it. We have warned them. As a result of their being guilty of adding to the word of God, all claims for infallibility come tumbling down, not to mention anything they say about the Eucharist is to be rejected as well. Now the fact is, it is up to the Christian to decipher the Lord's meaning FROM THE TEXT, and not from the circus of Catholic apologetic clowns who came after it. Hence, based on the fact Jesus is gravely concerned about the sanctity of his word down to the last “jot and tittle” (Matt 5:18), that one, single gross addition to the word of God (namely, "TRULY") is like a flashing neon sign that signals us to consider ANY non-catholic explanation regarding the words "This is"...over and against what the Pope has to say. Therefore, not only is Transubstantiation unsubstantiated, but the claim for infallibility tips over like a house of cards, exposing Trent as a “non-prophet” organization (Eph 5:11) as well as a bunch of liars (Rev 2:2; cf: Deut 18:22, Jer 23:30-40, Ezekiel 13:1-7). It is promised in those passages that all who recklessly wag their tongues by asserting, “The Lord says”, (when the Lord did not say), will be swiftly cast out of his presence (cf. Jeremiah 14:14, 23:16-21). So WHATEVER Mr. Horn reports, here or on his other many videos, he is not to be trusted because he's promoting an irrefutably false religion whose top-gun Council of Trent misquoted Jesus Christ under the banner of infallibility.
@adiesumpermariam4111
@adiesumpermariam4111 2 жыл бұрын
Everyone join me in praying daily for Yuan and Tony
@alhilford2345
@alhilford2345 2 жыл бұрын
Definitely I do pray for them! The prayer to St. Michael.
@Regular_Pigeon
@Regular_Pigeon 2 жыл бұрын
Big fan of both channels. It'd be cool to get some timestamps though.
@peaceandjoy2568
@peaceandjoy2568 2 жыл бұрын
So happy for you and your beautiful bride, Austin. May God give you a holy and long life together. We love you both. Take your time in your search regarding which authority was given by Our Lord to His Church. May the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Light, guide you to find the answer.
@beverleypettit3577
@beverleypettit3577 Жыл бұрын
Austin has such a beautiful spirit. He's a bit of a challenge to live up to. I want more of his humility. Bless you both Austin and Trent. Interesting interaction. I often feel.myself not bright enough for all these issues. The brain can't contain it all 😵‍💫
@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve
@AngelGonzalez-ng9ve 2 жыл бұрын
Nice..... Love Sr. Austin. Love his character and his videos.. Good job Sr. Trent on having him on the Channel.. Hopefully soon you can do a short video on debunking or commenting on KEN HOVINT ON (WHY IM NOT A CATHOLIC) 👍🏼🙏🏼🙌🏼🕊️🙏🏼
@mojo7495
@mojo7495 2 жыл бұрын
Here is why I AM NOT A CATHOLIC. Specifically, the catechism quotes the Council of Trent (which claimed to be guided by the Holy Spirit TWICE in their decree on the Eucharist) and states that the Catholic religion may be SUMMARIZED in one sentence --which, as will be shown, just happens to be a lie. So buckle your seat belts. Notice the words in caps... “Christ our Redeemer SAID that it was TRULY his body he was OFFERING [in sacrifice at the Last Supper] ...." (CCC 1376). Aside from the fact it is point blank, flatly unbiblical to assert that Christ "offered himself in sacrifice at the Last Supper BEFORE he went to the cross" (CCC 621) because there is a specific time for everything (Ecc 3), the worse error is to misquote Jesus Christ who DID NOT SAY that the bread was "TRUUUUUUULY" his body. He said, "This is my body", period, not that the bread was "TRUUUULY" his body. Obviously, the magisterium felt the biblical account was inadequate to stand on its own, and so in reaction to the Reformers, they stuck a word in Christ's mouth to force their position that Christ was speaking literally about eating his flesh, down the gullible laity's throats pretending the Holy Spirit was guiding them.NO, the Holy Spirit was certainly NOT guiding them to add to the Text, now wake up! The fact is, the words, "This is" are shown to be metaphorical by at least 50 examples throughout the biblical record, whereas papal pundits simply ASSERT, without a scrap of evidence, that Jesus was speaking literally! If they want to risk their souls on a single-word MISQUOTE which claims to SUMMARIZE the entirety of their religious existence, then so be it. We have warned them. As a result of their being guilty of adding to the word of God, all claims for infallibility come tumbling down, not to mention anything they say about the Eucharist is to be rejected as well. Now the fact is, it is up to the Christian to decipher the Lord's meaning FROM THE TEXT, and not from the circus of Catholic apologetic clowns who came after it. Hence, based on the fact Jesus is gravely concerned about the sanctity of his word down to the last “jot and tittle” (Matt 5:18), that one, single gross addition to the word of God (namely, "TRULY") is like a flashing neon sign that signals us to consider ANY non-catholic explanation regarding the words "This is"...over and against what the Pope has to say. Therefore, not only is Transubstantiation unsubstantiated, but the claim for infallibility tips over like a house of cards, exposing Trent as a “non-prophet” organization (Eph 5:11) as well as a bunch of liars (Rev 2:2; cf: Deut 18:22, Jer 23:30-40, Ezekiel 13:1-7). It is promised in those passages that all who recklessly wag their tongues by asserting, “The Lord says”, (when the Lord did not say), will be swiftly cast out of his presence (cf. Jeremiah 14:14, 23:16-21). So WHATEVER Mr. Horn reports, here or on his other many videos, he is not to be trusted because he's promoting an irrefutably false religion whose top-gun Council of Trent misquoted Jesus Christ under the banner of infallibility.
@nonoyyonon8228
@nonoyyonon8228 2 жыл бұрын
What I love those protestants who became catholic are their wisdom. After searching and studying for themselves, from history and the teaching of early christians and the church fathers then open their mind to the teachings which is the full truth.
@nonoyyonon8228
@nonoyyonon8228 2 жыл бұрын
@Thomas B you should ask the people who canonised the bible
@adiesumpermariam4111
@adiesumpermariam4111 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 how do you know Matthew Mark Luke and John canonized the Bible?
@nonoyyonon8228
@nonoyyonon8228 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 no wonder you voted for Biden, the way you think is worst than him.
@gch8810
@gch8810 2 жыл бұрын
@Thomas B How do we know what books are in the Bible?
@gch8810
@gch8810 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 None of those people canonized Scripture.
@caterinadc5567
@caterinadc5567 2 жыл бұрын
Thinking back, I'm thankful I had the experience Trent considers important, of being so internally nagged about the 'bad news' of my state before I became Catholic. And at least for myself, I don't believe that knowledge of my need led me to "rush". To move forward as I could, yes: but when identifying which path moves forward is the very question, it still took time, and I imagine does for many people. I do think that at least in our culture, we tend to be more inclined to complacency than to urgency, so it's probably (usually!) more helpful to offer someone encouragement to treat the question as urgent than otherwise. I really like Trent's analogy to engagement, too. It resonates with my own experience as a convert to the Catholic Church; coming into the Church felt like a marriage, and I knew it was once and for life. And there's something about the fact that it's a formal commitment (rather than just wandering into a community building you can wander out of for another later) helped me focus my mind on what I really found necessary to consider beforehand.
@MrPeach1
@MrPeach1 2 жыл бұрын
I know Austin wants to settle into a tradition. I feel like he has opened pandoras box though. I don't know that you can unsee what you have seen and stop wondering.
@kynesilagan2676
@kynesilagan2676 2 жыл бұрын
Austin can be a young Gavin. I love his vids, the John 6 episode for me was both being far fetched and enlightening insights at the same time. I hope it made sense if you've watched it, too.
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
I'll take that as a great compliment!
@kynesilagan2676
@kynesilagan2676 2 жыл бұрын
@@GospelSimplicity And I suppose you take well; criticisms too. Even you don't reply to all of it. I can feel it 😅. Contrary to some belief; I do take greater view of Protestants as 'Necessary Good'.
@xtreme_survival7879
@xtreme_survival7879 2 жыл бұрын
Love Austin, I have watched a lot of his video's, regardless of which denomination he visits he is always respectful, an all round decent man. Side note, the Latin Mass is Absolutely Beautiful.
@GospelSimplicity
@GospelSimplicity 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@helenkamenos8563
@helenkamenos8563 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on you marriage, Austin. You have done lots of intellectual research on the various denominations and beliefs. Don't forget to pray and ask God to guide you! God bless you!
@michaelalexander3001
@michaelalexander3001 2 жыл бұрын
Love finding out Austin is a fellow Marylander after all this time!!
@pablocorrea4717
@pablocorrea4717 2 жыл бұрын
Trent has all my admiration but it would be awesome if he allowed his guests to at least finish answering his questions. Love you Trent! Just a loving tip.
@toddvoss52
@toddvoss52 2 жыл бұрын
Agree. and love Trent. But....
@lois2997
@lois2997 Жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 get a shrink. You are obsessed.
@kimfleury
@kimfleury 2 жыл бұрын
3 Hail Marys for you 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻 and for Austin 🌹🌹🌹🙏🏻
@padraicbrown6718
@padraicbrown6718 2 жыл бұрын
Congratulations Austin! Stay newlyweds forever!
@halleylujah247
@halleylujah247 2 жыл бұрын
Yay Austin!
@MrTagahuron
@MrTagahuron 2 жыл бұрын
There is a reason why in the Creed we say "I believe" and not "I understand"... We believe first in order to understand because we are dealing with God and His Catholic Church.
@mynameis......23
@mynameis......23 2 жыл бұрын
Debunking catholicism I'm more blessed than mary Proof = Luke 11:27-28 27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!” In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen _________________________ 1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul. Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop _________________________ Jesus said Matthew 23:9 9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11 11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father. Sad _________________________ Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God Use this to defeat the argument. Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.” Matthew 12:46-50 46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.” 48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”. Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.” John 19:26-27 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards). By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26. _________________________ We should not pray to apostles Romans 1:25 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Acts 10:25-26 25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.” Acts 14:15 15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them, Revelation 19:10 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.” Revelation 22:8-9 8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things. 9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God." Colossians 2:18 18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26 26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession [a]for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34 34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Hebrews 7:25 25 Therefore He is also able to save [a]to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them. It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles There is only one Mediator between God and men LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus. _________________________ Apostles are allowed to marry, 1 Corinthians 9:1-5 1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord. 3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry? _________________________ The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic). 1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple 2)He sank down while walking on water 3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan 4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times 5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven 6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear 7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles. 8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land), 9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit), 10)King Soloman messed up, 11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11). Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up) 12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up. 13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20 If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up. ____________________________________ Galatians 4:21-26 21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. Sarah is mother of all, Not mary. _________________________ Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics. _________________________ Also, if the apostles didn't wrote it, I don't want it.
@folofus4815
@folofus4815 2 жыл бұрын
@@mynameis......23 Not reading all that. Happy for u tho. Or sorry that happened
@nofragmentado
@nofragmentado 2 жыл бұрын
What I think is; they are more afraid of family and friend on what they are going to say or not to say. That is one of the big holding back most of them have, being separating from family and friends. That is my personal opinion and please forgive me if this make any feel uncomfortable 🙏🏻
@jendoe9436
@jendoe9436 2 жыл бұрын
You may not be too far off the mark with that. Quite a few popular converts mentioned some of their biggest challenges was the opinion of their loved ones or they were financially dependent on staying nonCatholic. Some people have the courage to openly convert to Catholicism, some remain silent and never make that leap. We just have to pray for them that they seek out God’s truth and trust in Jesus 🙏
@theknight8524
@theknight8524 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 same here
@BrewMeister27
@BrewMeister27 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 that's interesting, I came to the complete opposite conclusion. To me, the assertion that the Bible is self-authenticating seemed completely circular. Maybe you can explain that for me?
@Goodtogo4567
@Goodtogo4567 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 well, if you are talking about reading the Bible, you might take into consideration that the Bible was compiled by the Catholic church. Remember, you can't change history.
@Goodtogo4567
@Goodtogo4567 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. Many, if not all of the great converts started looking deeper into the real history of the Bible and found the truth so powerful they left friends and family for the Truth. It's true that the letters and books of the New Testament were written earlier, but the Church, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit compiled it and closed the Canon in about 375-400 AD. Then, in 1560 or so, Martin Luther added the word 'alone' and removed the books that didn't agree with his theology. Also, his was not the first German translation. It was the 27th. Just so you know.
@jonathanbohl
@jonathanbohl 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@davidniedjaco9869
@davidniedjaco9869 2 жыл бұрын
"This would take a lifetime"...and while it's important not to rush, a lifetime is really not that long in the grand scheme of things to get such an important thing, in my opinion the most important thing, correct.
@albertaowusu1790
@albertaowusu1790 2 жыл бұрын
I think he knows where to get the information Leave him alone.
@andrewwhite1802
@andrewwhite1802 2 жыл бұрын
Trent I really appreciate your comments. As someone who was raised in a nondenominational church but was drawn back to the historic and apostolic church, and ended up in Anglicanism, I can say that my biggest problem is actually not with any one particular teaching of the Roman Catholic church. Rather it’s the requirement to assent to certain teachings at the same level I have to assent to the death burial and resurrection of the Lord. For example, I don’t have any problem with the bodily assumption of Mary for instance. What I take exception to is having to believe it. There are plenty of Anglicans who do but it cannot be required of anyone within Anglicanism because it cannot be found within scripture. If the early church fathers assumed that we must believe in the immaculate conception of Mary or in the bodily assumption of Mary, why does that not appear in the creed? The only thing about Mary that appears in the creeds is the virgin birth. I ask this genuinely because it’s the biggest barrier between me and Roman Catholicism. I struggle with things like purgatory and prayers to the Saints but I could get behind them if there weren’t teachings that were elevated to the same level of requirement and weight as the death burial and resurrection. I fear that by making certain things dogma the Roman Catholic Church has added to Christ.
@opheliaadjei-awuah2671
@opheliaadjei-awuah2671 2 жыл бұрын
genuine concerns here. but keep.praying to the Lord for help. You are close. We can't do these on our own. Also pay attention to what the Lord is teaching you through this journey. Anglicanism could be a needed stop on your journey. For the Mary part, intentionally ask her son Jesus to help you..He wants have to have a relationship with her, just like he does so talk to Him. God bless. Peace be with you!!
@jacobwoods6153
@jacobwoods6153 2 жыл бұрын
Because the Catholic understanding of having faith in the Church's teachings is not just an intellectual assent to its claims (its that) but also a matter of the will... which would mean in your case becoming Catholic.
@toddthacker8258
@toddthacker8258 Жыл бұрын
@@opheliaadjei-awuah2671 "He wants you to have a relationship with her" . . . I have the same problem with this as Andrew. The Catholic church's piling on of "infallible" doctrine that member MUST believe or be outside God's grace is just . . . well, it's not good, in my view.
@d.h.5407
@d.h.5407 Жыл бұрын
@@toddthacker8258 Except the Church founded by Christ has His Holy Spirit to guide and protect it in doctrines and teachings. This is what makes the Church true.
@toddthacker8258
@toddthacker8258 Жыл бұрын
Christ didn’t found the Catholic church; he founded the universal church, which is expressed in many different institutions (including the Catholic Church). But the Catholic Church is just like any other institution of humans-it suffers accretions and deviations, even well-intentioned ones. The fact that it cannot possibly go back and directly remedy those accretions or deviations is a huge issue. It just has to pretend that it never said the thing to begin with. God works through the Catholic Church, just like he works through his other churches. But the Catholic Church has no special prophylactic against being wrong about things, and the doctrine of papal infallibility is going to cause it so many problems.
@lanmansvideos
@lanmansvideos 2 жыл бұрын
A couple of thoughts: First, Protestants aren't as dogmatic as Catholics. Austin is correct in the Protestants, especially American Evangelicals, don't see doctrinal differences as deal breakers. If someone affirms the same beliefs of who Jesus is (Trinitarian) and have a personal living faith in Christ then pretty much all Protestant/Evangelicals see them as part of the Body of Christ. Everything else is interesting debate, sometimes even heated debate, but few think of things like infant Baptism or Security of the Believer reason to break unity in Christ. That is why you will see Presbyterians, Baptist, Methodist, and Assembly of God Christians working together in outreach ministries (think Billy Graham Crusades) and ministry to the poor/needy. They feel the shared faith in Christ bonds them together more than doctrinal differences separate them. Second, the reason you don't see Catholics investigating Protestant churches is that, most often, when a Catholic starts attending a Protestant/Evangelical church it is a Spiritual Experience that causes them to convert, not an intellectual pursuit. I know several Catholics who became Protestant they will tell me that they didn't join their local church because it was historically and theologically correct, they joined their church because that is where they came to a living faith in Christ. Most Catholics who become Protestant/Evangelical do so because they believe they "were saved" under the Protestant/Evangelical call for a personal belief/trust in Christ. For most of us humans, our experiences count for more than intellectual/theological arguments. You can make historical arguments all day long, but if I know I met Jesus and it changed my life when I visited the local Evangelical Come to Jesus Church then my experience trumps your arguments. I'm not saying that is good or bad or right or wrong. I'm just stating that is they way it is for many, if not most, people.
@dnosic
@dnosic 2 жыл бұрын
This is so true. People are driven by emotions. Something every marketeer knows.
@EpoRose1
@EpoRose1 2 жыл бұрын
It seems most people who leave the Church were poorly catechized. I feel most don’t understand they were “born again” at Baptism, and as for “meeting Jesus”- for goodness sakes, you met Him every Mass in the Eucharist.
@housecry
@housecry 2 жыл бұрын
You summed it up perfectly.
@Luna-ds4ww
@Luna-ds4ww Жыл бұрын
Maybe you right , but when my sister was in protestant church she didn't experienced Jesus at all .She was in pentacostal church ,she felt cold in this church , her faith was empty, all the time, she felt emptiness ,was afraid of God. When she converted to catholic church after confession she felt Jesus ,literally her depression , anxiety was gone straight away , she felt she gained new life .So different people different experiences.
@toddthacker8258
@toddthacker8258 Жыл бұрын
@@Luna-ds4ww It's almost like God can use different institutions to reach different people, rather than forcing us all--as different as we are--to conform to on institution's dictates.
@maxonmendel5757
@maxonmendel5757 Жыл бұрын
low church ex evangelical here.. working toward high church. the good news of the Catholic faith is that there is one single authority given by God that I can be sure to follow, and if I follow there isn't another door to walk through and an infinite regress of hidden doors that keep me searching my whole life. the Catholic Faith is the bedrock of the west. by that I mean, when you search for truth and why truth "is", or where religious conviction or philosophy or legal code or even the enlightenment, all those things.. even modern atheism, free thought, secular humanism.... in European continentalism, it all goes back to the Apostolic Faith established in the first century. I tell my still evangelical friends, if its good enough for the church fathers, its good enough for me. I am not able or willing to make all the answers for myself. I dont have authority for that, or time to get the education. but after reading Soren Kierkegaard, I realized I needed answers to questions. so I defer to CS Lewis or GK Chesterton or Sartre or Camus, Peterson, Zizek, youtube commentators, John Green, etc (each contradicting sometimes but mostly well established thinkers or authors) so where did those people get their ideas? who did they defer to? where does their authority to teach come from? and you do that for every field (in the west), and it all goes back to the Church. How many mathematicians and doctors and biologists or chemists or writers were Catholic? As I learned as a musician, "who were your guitar heroes' heroes?" there is a kind of dialog through time there. and maybe, if you're a marxist, its about material conditions and ,"all those people were Catholic because the catholic church was in charge" but why was it in charge? protesting against the authority of the Catholic church feels like protesting against authority as an abstract concept. and its that way that I think Protestantism dooms itself, giving way to materialism, and then the enlightenment, and then Marxism, and then hard atheism. there's no logical and intellectually rigorous or honest reason, especially now that we have the internet, to embrace any sort of schismatic Christian faith. At the end, if you live in America and have the willingness to work due diligence and DYOR, its either: Judaism, Catholicism, or Atheism. everyone else is just a schuckster trying to make money. thats just my take, thanks for letting me share.
@johnmatthew536
@johnmatthew536 2 жыл бұрын
Please Pray the Rosary & Devine Mercy Chaplet to free all countries from war, hunger, calamities, corruption, abortion, divorce, drugs, pornography, homosexuality, slavery, communism and all evils.pls. pray for peace and joy on all families and homes... HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE THE LORD IS WITH YOU. BLESSED ARE YOU AMONG WOMEN AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF THY WOMB JESUS. HOLY MARY MOTHER OF GOD PRAY FOR US SINNERS NOW AND AT THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH. AMEN...
@art4theglryofgod
@art4theglryofgod 2 жыл бұрын
Curious, if you have invited Austin to become Catholic? or invited him to start an RCIA class? I had a friend whose husband would come to mass with her and the kids for years and I asked her that question. Have you ever Invited Him to become Catholic or attend an RCIA class? and she said no. A few weeks later she Invited him, and he started attending RCIA classes and was Baptized and Confirmed a year later. Thanks be to God... Blessings, Sharon (St. Dismas Guild director, used to be share an office with COLFS.)
@mojo7495
@mojo7495 2 жыл бұрын
Catholicism is counterfeit Christianity my dear and those with a thinking brain enlightened by the Spirit must always REJECT the claims of popery due to their being a bunch of false prophets. Specifically, the catechism quotes the Council of Trent (which claimed to be guided by the Holy Spirit TWICE in their decree on the Eucharist) and states that the Catholic religion may be SUMMARIZED in one sentence --which, as will be shown, just happens to be a lie. So buckle your seat belts. Notice the words in caps... “Christ our Redeemer SAID that it was TRULY his body he was OFFERING [in sacrifice at the Last Supper] ...." (CCC 1376). Aside from the fact it is point blank, flatly unbiblical to assert that Christ "offered himself in sacrifice at the Last Supper BEFORE he went to the cross" (CCC 621) because there is a specific time for everything (Ecc 3), the worse error is to misquote Jesus Christ who DID NOT SAY that the bread was "TRUUUUUUULY" his body. He said, "This is my body", period, not that the bread was "TRUUUULY" his body. Obviously, the magisterium felt the biblical account was inadequate to stand on its own, and so in reaction to the Reformers, they stuck a word in Christ's mouth to force their position that Christ was speaking literally about eating his flesh, down the gullible laity's throats pretending the Holy Spirit was guiding them.NO, the Holy Spirit was certainly NOT guiding them to add to the Text, now wake up! The fact is, the words, "This is" are shown to be metaphorical by at least 50 examples throughout the biblical record, whereas papal pundits simply ASSERT, without a scrap of evidence, that Jesus was speaking literally! If they want to risk their souls on a single-word MISQUOTE which claims to SUMMARIZE the entirety of their religious existence, then so be it. We have warned them. As a result of their being guilty of adding to the word of God, all claims for infallibility come tumbling down, not to mention anything they say about the Eucharist is to be rejected as well. Now the fact is, it is up to the Christian to decipher the Lord's meaning FROM THE TEXT, and not from the circus of Catholic apologetic clowns who came after it. Hence, based on the fact Jesus is gravely concerned about the sanctity of his word down to the last “jot and tittle” (Matt 5:18), that one, single gross addition to the word of God (namely, "TRULY") is like a flashing neon sign that signals us to consider ANY non-catholic explanation regarding the words "This is"...over and against what the Pope has to say. Therefore, not only is Transubstantiation unsubstantiated, but the claim for infallibility tips over like a house of cards, exposing Trent as a “non-prophet” organization (Eph 5:11) as well as a bunch of liars (Rev 2:2; cf: Deut 18:22, Jer 23:30-40, Ezekiel 13:1-7). It is promised in those passages that all who recklessly wag their tongues by asserting, “The Lord says”, (when the Lord did not say), will be swiftly cast out of his presence (cf. Jeremiah 14:14, 23:16-21). So WHATEVER Mr. Horn reports, here or on his other many videos, he is not to be trusted because he's promoting an irrefutably false religion whose top-gun Council of Trent misquoted Jesus Christ under the banner of infallibility.
@brandont.6510
@brandont.6510 2 жыл бұрын
St John Cantius is a great church. Very reverent community
@MB-zn9vg
@MB-zn9vg 2 жыл бұрын
Too bad they have a terrible archbishop
@brandont.6510
@brandont.6510 2 жыл бұрын
​@@MB-zn9vg yeah... he's not very popular over here, especially after the TLM restrictions in our archdiocese.
@danviccaro3920
@danviccaro3920 2 жыл бұрын
As a parishioner of St. John Cantius I believe they overcome Cupich by their Priests led by Pastor Joshua Caswell and the other great Priests I forgot who said it but the greatest chastisement the Catholic Church receives from God is bad Priests…
@matthewjamesb.234
@matthewjamesb.234 2 жыл бұрын
Good convo. I don’t see him ever converting to anything else tho. He knows this gets views , and more power to him. He has a clear goal, which is become a Protestant pastor. May God bless and have mercy on us all ☦️
@EpoRose1
@EpoRose1 2 жыл бұрын
Several well-known converts were Protestant pastors, and joined the Church. Usually reluctantly, but could no longer deny the Truth.
@matthewjamesb.234
@matthewjamesb.234 2 жыл бұрын
@@EpoRose1 yeah but I can tell from his character he doesn’t have a interest in leaving his Protestantism by the way he speaks. He’s very careful not to reveal too much. While seeming to be open minded
@mojo7495
@mojo7495 2 жыл бұрын
Oh? So you're unapologetic about Catholicism? You should be ashamed. Those with a thinking brain enlightened by the Spirit must always REJECT the claims of popery due to their being a bunch of false prophets. Specifically, the catechism quotes the Council of Trent (which claimed to be guided by the Holy Spirit TWICE in their decree on the Eucharist) and states that the Catholic religion may be SUMMARIZED in one sentence --which, as will be shown, just happens to be a lie. So buckle your seat belts. Notice the words in caps... “Christ our Redeemer SAID that it was TRULY his body he was OFFERING [in sacrifice at the Last Supper] ...." (CCC 1376). Aside from the fact it is point blank, flatly unbiblical to assert that Christ "offered himself in sacrifice at the Last Supper BEFORE he went to the cross" (CCC 621) because there is a specific time for everything (Ecc 3), the worse error is to misquote Jesus Christ who DID NOT SAY that the bread was "TRUUUUUUULY" his body. He said, "This is my body", period, not that the bread was "TRUUUULY" his body. Obviously, the magisterium felt the biblical account was inadequate to stand on its own, and so in reaction to the Reformers, they stuck a word in Christ's mouth to force their position that Christ was speaking literally about eating his flesh, down the gullible laity's throats pretending the Holy Spirit was guiding them.NO, the Holy Spirit was certainly NOT guiding them to add to the Text, now wake up! The fact is, the words, "This is" are shown to be metaphorical by at least 50 examples throughout the biblical record, whereas papal pundits simply ASSERT, without a scrap of evidence, that Jesus was speaking literally! If they want to risk their souls on a single-word MISQUOTE which claims to SUMMARIZE the entirety of their religious existence, then so be it. We have warned them. As a result of their being guilty of adding to the word of God, all claims for infallibility come tumbling down, not to mention anything they say about the Eucharist is to be rejected as well. Now the fact is, it is up to the Christian to decipher the Lord's meaning FROM THE TEXT, and not from the circus of Catholic apologetic clowns who came after it. Hence, based on the fact Jesus is gravely concerned about the sanctity of his word down to the last “jot and tittle” (Matt 5:18), that one, single gross addition to the word of God (namely, "TRULY") is like a flashing neon sign that signals us to consider ANY non-catholic explanation regarding the words "This is"...over and against what the Pope has to say. Therefore, not only is Transubstantiation unsubstantiated, but the claim for infallibility tips over like a house of cards, exposing Trent as a “non-prophet” organization (Eph 5:11) as well as a bunch of liars (Rev 2:2; cf: Deut 18:22, Jer 23:30-40, Ezekiel 13:1-7). It is promised in those passages that all who recklessly wag their tongues by asserting, “The Lord says”, (when the Lord did not say), will be swiftly cast out of his presence (cf. Jeremiah 14:14, 23:16-21). So WHATEVER Mr. Horn reports, here or on his other many videos, he is not to be trusted because he's promoting an irrefutably false religion whose top-gun Council of Trent misquoted Jesus Christ under the banner of infallibility.
@lexodius
@lexodius Жыл бұрын
I was courting for 2 and engaged for 5 months. Similarly I had an aha-erlebnis about catholicism and called the local priest within the hour. Ive been catholic and married for years 7 now. Never looked back. I guess it was sola gratia.
@myronmercado
@myronmercado 2 жыл бұрын
What a great dialogue! Can't wait to welcome Austin home. As Scott Hahn had often said, delayed obedience is disobedience.
@mojo7495
@mojo7495 2 жыл бұрын
Oh spare me your pious platitudes. You are deceived. Those with a thinking brain enlightened by the Spirit must always REJECT the claims of popery due to their being a bunch of false prophets. Specifically, the catechism quotes the Council of Trent (which claimed to be guided by the Holy Spirit TWICE in their decree on the Eucharist) and states that the Catholic religion may be SUMMARIZED in one sentence --which, as will be shown, just happens to be a lie. So buckle your seat belts. Notice the words in caps... “Christ our Redeemer SAID that it was TRULY his body he was OFFERING [in sacrifice at the Last Supper] ...." (CCC 1376). Aside from the fact it is point blank, flatly unbiblical to assert that Christ "offered himself in sacrifice at the Last Supper BEFORE he went to the cross" (CCC 621) because there is a specific time for everything (Ecc 3), the worse error is to misquote Jesus Christ who DID NOT SAY that the bread was "TRUUUUUUULY" his body. He said, "This is my body", period, not that the bread was "TRUUUULY" his body. Obviously, the magisterium felt the biblical account was inadequate to stand on its own, and so in reaction to the Reformers, they stuck a word in Christ's mouth to force their position that Christ was speaking literally about eating his flesh, down the gullible laity's throats pretending the Holy Spirit was guiding them.NO, the Holy Spirit was certainly NOT guiding them to add to the Text, now wake up! The fact is, the words, "This is" are shown to be metaphorical by at least 50 examples throughout the biblical record, whereas papal pundits simply ASSERT, without a scrap of evidence, that Jesus was speaking literally! If they want to risk their souls on a single-word MISQUOTE which claims to SUMMARIZE the entirety of their religious existence, then so be it. We have warned them. As a result of their being guilty of adding to the word of God, all claims for infallibility come tumbling down, not to mention anything they say about the Eucharist is to be rejected as well. Now the fact is, it is up to the Christian to decipher the Lord's meaning FROM THE TEXT, and not from the circus of Catholic apologetic clowns who came after it. Hence, based on the fact Jesus is gravely concerned about the sanctity of his word down to the last “jot and tittle” (Matt 5:18), that one, single gross addition to the word of God (namely, "TRULY") is like a flashing neon sign that signals us to consider ANY non-catholic explanation regarding the words "This is"...over and against what the Pope has to say. Therefore, not only is Transubstantiation unsubstantiated, but the claim for infallibility tips over like a house of cards, exposing Trent as a “non-prophet” organization (Eph 5:11) as well as a bunch of liars (Rev 2:2; cf: Deut 18:22, Jer 23:30-40, Ezekiel 13:1-7). It is promised in those passages that all who recklessly wag their tongues by asserting, “The Lord says”, (when the Lord did not say), will be swiftly cast out of his presence (cf. Jeremiah 14:14, 23:16-21). So WHATEVER Mr. Horn reports, here or on his other many videos, he is not to be trusted because he's promoting an irrefutably false religion whose top-gun Council of Trent misquoted Jesus Christ under the banner of infallibility.
@z_nytrom99
@z_nytrom99 2 жыл бұрын
That quote is from Hahn's own perspective as he was the President of a Protestant organisation at time of his conversion. Perhaps it'd ring true for Austin if his own conscience was stirring him towards Catholicism. Evidently he's a little conflicted.
@timrichardson4018
@timrichardson4018 2 жыл бұрын
At 25:30, regarding why more Catholics don't explore protestantism in this same way, I think it's because most protestants hold a more ethereal view of "the church" as the whole body of believers. Most of them don't think you're not a legitimate Christian because you belong to a different denomination. There are exceptions to this. But there is a degree of freedom in exploring other traditions; not very taboo in many protestant circles, especially since the rise of non-denominationalism. But Catholics have the view of the Catholic Church being the one true church, and thus see catholicism as the fullness of the faith. If you're view of Christianity is directly linked to your particular church, you are probably less likely to explore others out of simple curiosity. You may if you are having doubts about your church, but probably not in a truly open way just out of curiosity.
@duckymomo7935
@duckymomo7935 2 жыл бұрын
Protestants make the case that extra biblical doctrines are optional. If a protestant wants to adopt perpetual virginity there's no probelsm Roman Catholicism doesn't. You have to accept all, even if you might be reluctant to accept that and just accept just because the church said so. The moment you deny one RCC doctrine the entire catholic theology falls apart...
@timrichardson4018
@timrichardson4018 2 жыл бұрын
@@duckymomo7935 I think that's right, and explains why you don't see more Catholics curiously exploring protestantism. Also, there's just less to protestantism. Protestantism, to a large degree, is stripped down Catholicism. With the exception of a few peculiar doctrines, there's not much in protestantism that isn't in Catholicism in some way or other. But there's way more in Catholicism than there is in protestantism. So, there's just more for a protestant to explore. I don't say any of this to suggest one is necessarily right over the other. It's just an interesting phenomenon.
@joecoolmccall
@joecoolmccall 2 жыл бұрын
@@timrichardson4018 Protestantism is far from monolithic. Catholics often forget this and it hurts dialog.
@littleone1656
@littleone1656 2 жыл бұрын
The reason why we don’t explore Protestantism is because we don’t have to. We know the history of the Church and we already know, without a doubt, that the fullness of the Truth can only be found in Christ’s Church, the Catholic Church. Protestants are not taught to research the early Christian writings that often and so it makes sense that they would have more research to do to get to the Truth.
@duckymomo7935
@duckymomo7935 2 жыл бұрын
@@littleone1656 that’s not true at all 😒 The RCC has lost its way long ago and just keeps digging it’s hole further in the 19th century
@jacknastyface5623
@jacknastyface5623 2 жыл бұрын
What is the second commandment?
@mitromney
@mitromney 2 жыл бұрын
Don't you just love it when the answer is in the question? xD
@mynameis......23
@mynameis......23 2 жыл бұрын
Because the Protestant is thoughtful
@mitromney
@mitromney 2 жыл бұрын
@@mynameis......23 you got it my man ;)
@arash402003
@arash402003 2 жыл бұрын
Trent did 80% of the talking! Austin deserves better…
@amag7890
@amag7890 2 жыл бұрын
That’s right should of been 100%
@jeffscully1347
@jeffscully1347 2 жыл бұрын
In an hour-long interview, 80% would be 48 minutes. Did you actually time out each of their air time? I'm guessing it was almost 50-50.
@joehouston2833
@joehouston2833 2 жыл бұрын
One who studies history ceases to be a Protestant - St. John Henry Newman
@rolandovelasquez135
@rolandovelasquez135 2 жыл бұрын
"One who studies history ceases to be Roman Catholic." - Rolando Velásquez
@tafazzi-on-discord
@tafazzi-on-discord 2 жыл бұрын
@@rolandovelasquez135 You could consider studying harder
@michaal105
@michaal105 2 жыл бұрын
@@rolandovelasquez135 Roman Catholic theology does indeed contradict biblical Christianity.
@glennquagmire1340
@glennquagmire1340 2 жыл бұрын
@@rolandovelasquez135 I recommend you Read the early church was the Catholic Church!
@tafazzi-on-discord
@tafazzi-on-discord 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaal105 no such thing as "roman" doctrine, the doctrine is universal, it applies to all 23 catholic church rites. Stop misusing that term
@charlesedenfield8947
@charlesedenfield8947 Жыл бұрын
I too found an enormous joy in discovering the details of the Roman Catholic church a couple of years ago-mostly through Catholic radio- so much so that I began to enjoy the literature, preaching and ministry to the point of even supporting them financially. Nothing in that was-in my mind-moving away from my formation as a Baptist. To answer the question as to why, now that I know so much about the Roman Church, I don't "convert" to Roman Catholicism, I say: I don't need to. Since I am not led by the Holy Spirit to abandon one community of the family of God, for another, change has no momentum. I am a follower of Christ. That would remain regardless of which tradition I joined. The best result of my journey looking into and enjoying so much the ministries of my Roman brothers is that we are in the battle against Satan together. I will now and always support with my money and speech all who take the position of being sold out for the gospel. That now includes many efforts from the Protestant and Roman followers. The beautiful thing is that I can go to Mass with someone and be tremendously blessed and be better equipped to serve God's kingdom purposes. That very day/week I can attend an evangelical service and have the same uplifting and equipping experience. My Point: Satan must enjoy the we/they wasted energy we feel we must expend. WE NEED TO PUT AWAY ALL THAT DETRACTS FROM THE MOVEMENT TO INTRODUCE SINNERS TO CHRIST. Emphasis mine. Blessings
@johndouglas4826
@johndouglas4826 Жыл бұрын
I think the devil maybe stopping you with this mentality, I feel like you need to be in a state of grace to get to heaven, I'm worried the devil could be leading you astray.
@charlesedenfield8947
@charlesedenfield8947 Жыл бұрын
@@johndouglas4826 I can’t imagine why you would think I’m being “led astray “ by Satan. What was it in my conciliatory remarks concerning the Roman Church and or the reformed tradition that triggered that? Is it possible that when one holds a conviction different than yours you feel that the devil must be the reason? I’ve been blessed to walk with the Lord for many decades and have confronted and experienced many victories over the evil one. When self was crucified with Christ years ago, along with many other graces was discernment. Thx for reaching out to me,
@johndouglas4826
@johndouglas4826 Жыл бұрын
@@charlesedenfield8947 It could be, it's not to say anyone who's outside the Visible Church will not be going to heaven but I do believe the easiest way to obtain it is through Christ's Church and knowing its the Church instituted by Christ and not joining it puts you in muddy water according to Vatican II, I believe complete obidence to the the magesterium of the church is required, God bless and peace be with you in Christ.
@charlesedenfield8947
@charlesedenfield8947 Жыл бұрын
@@johndouglas4826 Thx Brother for your concern. I’m grateful for the assurance of my inclusion in God’s forever family and expect to find many such as yourself there too.
@emilesturt3377
@emilesturt3377 2 жыл бұрын
I am not officially in any communion atm though I was raised Protestant and baptised in later life in a non conformist charismatic Evangelical Fellowship ... I then worked for an English Mitred Archpriest of the Russian Orthodox Church (here in the UK)... I fell in love with Orthodoxy. I then lived with Catholics for a while and learnt much. Now? Well I now have a real appreciation for Tradition, history and Patristics - and particularly the view of the nature of God, sin and salvation that is found within Othodoxy, and, to a point (not so much some of the ongoing influence of some of Augustines thinking), Roman Catholicism. But if I'm honest (and I know at this point I will sound a bit like Martin Luther to both Orthodox and Catholics alike) 😂 I simply can't abide the degree / heights to which Mariology (her almost seen as vital intercession) and the intercession of the Saints rose to in the latter part of the first Millennium... though if I keep my mouth shut this probably wouldn't stop me converting to Orthodoxy at some point 🙌😌... Papacy?... Immaculate conception?... Papal infallibility?... Well, I don't think so; "Full of grace" Amen! Maybe at some point in her life made sinless, but neither necessary by either biblical or much of early tradition / authority / consensus. The protoevangelium of James is not binding on believers but recognised by the Church as fruitful to read but not authoritative Scripture. Just my musings ✌️😊 It does at some point come down to the matter of authority, and in one sense Protestantism is laughable. But then in another sense, God works with what he's got (us lot) and I know plenty of Protestant churches which are healthy and holy and busy getting on with the job of evangelizing and disciplining and being caught up in the Wonder of knowing Christ and not getting bogged down in Theological and doctrinal disputes. I thank God for CS Lewis' Mere Christianity at this point. Even if people don't on mass convert to Catholicism or Orthodoxy, we all have a lot to learn from one another Xx that is for certain
@Veritas1234
@Veritas1234 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, when did you cut your hair?
@zekdom
@zekdom 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t even notice 😂
@zeloraz8101
@zeloraz8101 2 жыл бұрын
He looks soooo much better
@kasiaseubert
@kasiaseubert 2 жыл бұрын
I think there's not as many Catholics exploring protestantism bc they already know they have the truth. As a cradle Catholic if I was going to explore anything it would be non Christian beliefs. But if I believe Christianity is true, then I'm sticking with Catholicism bc it's the fullness of the truth. It is the Church Jesus started so there's really no other place to go.
@mojo7495
@mojo7495 2 жыл бұрын
Spare me the crap reply that the RCC is the fullness of truth. Rather, it is the FULLNESS OF IGNORANCE. They can't tell you how many verses they have "infallibly" defined, nor how many "infallible" traditions there are, or even how many times the Pope has spoken infallibly!, let alone what is the criteria for IDENTIFYING an infallible statement. All Catholics have a different answer to all these issues, so your bombastic claim is refuted at the get-go.
@alhilford2345
@alhilford2345 2 жыл бұрын
Amen!
@joecoolmccall
@joecoolmccall 2 жыл бұрын
I find most do not know traditions outside there own without study. Even some of the best Catholic KZfaq channels drop the ball when talking about Protestant groups...sometimes very badly.
@frenis
@frenis 2 жыл бұрын
I was almost going to say the exact same thing! I was really interested in this question too and wanted to hear more discussion on it. But I think there’s another perspective. I agree if you’re a Catholic youTuber who has already done a lot of investigation into the rational basis for Catholicism and have become convinced of its Truth, you’re not going to be talking about exploring Protestantism. But maybe Trent is talking about less convicted Catholics? - so called cultural Catholics who don’t know why we believe what we believe or are ready to abandon that belief as soon as it’s challenged because something else is easier to live by? I mean I have family members like that who’ve been drawn away into feel-good Protestant mega churches, but maybe they don’t have anything specific to say about “why” they’re exploring those churches… I also think committed Catholics who are convicted enough to be blogging/YouTubing about it DO talk about “exploring” Protestantism-maybe exploring isn’t the right word-but put a robust effort into studying what Protestants believe so that they can be equipped to answer objections to Catholicism. Isn’t that what Trent is doing here? Or what Matt Fradd is doing whenever he talks with Cameron Bertuzzi? It’s a really interesting question. I hope Trent talks about it again.
@nightshade99
@nightshade99 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, it is a distorted truth. The RCC has 38 heresies.
@aly8380
@aly8380 2 ай бұрын
The fact is, we were born in uncertainty and we shall die in uncertainty. Nowhere else do we feel the limitations of being human more keenly than in the questions that matter the most: our final end and our being's destiny. We make our way through this world - this pilgrimage - the best way we can and hope that our decisions are right most of the time and ultimately, that our destiny is kind. By the grace of God, we will be all right.
@anglicanaesthetics
@anglicanaesthetics 2 жыл бұрын
Yay for Trent acknowledging Anglicanism and our affirmation of apostolic succession alongside the primacy of Scripture. I do agree that the evidence rules out low-church Protestantism, but as it happens so did Luther ;)
@-hg7fc
@-hg7fc 2 жыл бұрын
Those persons can never give a satisfactory answer to the following argument: In Luther and Calvin’s time, either the Catholic church was Christ’s true spouse, or some other society was so; or else, Christ’s true church had ceased. If the Catholic society was at that time Christ’s church, no one could separate from it without risking his salvation, since there is no salvation for those that are separated from Christ: If any other society was then Christ’s true church, they were obliged to join it under pain of damnation: If they say that Christ’s church had ceased, they make Christ a liar, who has promised its perpetual duration in spite of the combined rage of earth and hell. (p. 31 ) Father Thayer I’m not sure how theologically correct this argument is maybe someone can let me know but it is something to think about.
@kennylee6499
@kennylee6499 2 жыл бұрын
I think the counter argument goes like this: a physical church is not the same as Christ’s church. Evangelicals/some Protestants will affirm that Jesus upheld his true church within Catholicism, but Catholicism itself was not the true church. Luther upheld that the Catholic church was indeed the holy church, and that despite the corruption and apparent doctrinal disparities, the gospel was still preached, and it was still holy. The whole point of the Reformation was to reform the Catholic church, and hopefully rejoin as one… but obviously that didn’t work out. Either way, for Protestants, the body of Christ is not dictated by church affiliation but by the affirmation of Jesus as Lord and savior
@masterchief8179
@masterchief8179 2 жыл бұрын
@@kennylee6499 But prior to the Protestant Revolution (I’m not making this any kind of offense but actually emphasizing that the Catholic Church so many times passed through periods of small or huge reformation, which is indeed a perpetual movement by the Spirit, but what the Protestant movement did could be better said to be a revolutionary one in any serious social study, like in political philosophy or sociology), ecclesiology (= theology of the church) never once offered so radical a separation between the visible and the invisible dimensions of the church. With that in mind, the mystery of the union of the divine and human natures in Christ, seen by the angle of the church (His Mystical Body), lost all its theological density to the more ideological “topoi”. Just by reading some comments one can notice that our Protestant brothers don’t even let themselves truly understand us Catholics. The first chapters of the book “Pope Peter” by Joe Heschmeyer gives a theologically profound yet easy-to-read analysis on the wrongness of this radical separation, when Protestant ecclesiology started to identify the “true church” as the theoretical invisible church, radically departed from the visible one. One can notice we WILL necessarily see things that escalate from “I like Mary as a sister, but...” to different forms (explicit or implicit) of hatred toward the Mother of God and “Mater Ecclesia” (Revelation 12, 17), just to give an example of some consequences of a fundamental theological problem. But this kind of Protestant feeling is originated in the rupture of ECCLESIOLOGY and then the consolidation of the rupture from the visible authoritative Church, something that some great theologians started to call _“ecclesiological Nestorianism”:_ when the _visible_ and the _invisible_ dimensions of the Church got to be radically separated in order to make Protestantism even understable, as far as the theology of the church goes. How would it end up in a depreciation of Mary and a sort of Nestorian tendency of avoidance of her (if not despise) as the Mother of God? Well, it all relates to misunderstanding Christ's humanity, which is nothing but trampling down the more complex applications of the mystery of Incarnation. The Church IS the continuation, extension and prolonging of the mystery of Incarnation throughout history. She truly is “Christus prolongatus”, His true Body in a mystical sense that lives not as an organization but as a vivid mystical - Head and members together- organism. Therefore, as Christ’s humanity is the SACRAMENT for Christ’s divinity and the active principle of God dwelling in this world, it’s also the source for all Church’s sacrament through the hyposthatic union in Christ Jesus (of the perfect divine and the perfect human natures in one divine person). As a consequence, the visible Church (hierarchy, authority, governance, ministries under Holy Orders, the role of lay faithful, etc) is a “sacrament” for the invisible Church in a sense. One can suppose the way (not) to understand Christ’s humanity is connected to the shifting of ecclesiology in Protestantism but actually it's the other way around. Some of the Protestant Reformers themselves were fruits of the visible Church albeit dissidents, so they still had a nice point of connection to Mariology and sacramentology, but the more consolidated the breakaway in authority becomes, then the less understandable to the Protestant communities the mysteries surrounding Christ’s humanity will admittedly be in their theories of soteriology (theology of salvation) and their spiritual lives, therefore progressively the less valuable the role of the Most Blessed Virgin or the sacraments will become. It is unavoidable. Again, just look at it: the lower the esteem for the hierarchical structures of the Church and the highest the breakaway from Church’s authority as designed by Christ Jesus (the way He built His Church), the inferior the importance of sacraments and Mary, if not pure irrelevance or even scorn (like thinking she is nothing more than God’s surrogacy mother and somewhat a "belly" that that God ‘used’, not the purest vessel God’s eternally designed and willed for the true and definitive “shekhinah” of God, the Hebrew word which means the dwelling of God among His people). The Word of God became flesh and made His dwelling among us (John 1, 14): the womb for God's humanity is nothing but the true and definitive tabernacle of God’s presence. As the Catholic Church takes the mystery of Incarnation to all of its consequences and the true biblical ecclesiology of the visible Church to all its deepest meanings altogether with the invisible dimension, so she necessarily has the highest appreciation for sacramentality even compared to other Apostolic churches (like what she teaches about marriage/divorce and baptism/rebaptism, for example) and the highest esteem for the Mother of God in all of biblical nuances to connect Israel (Old Covenant) and the Church (New and Definitive Covenant).
@masterchief8179
@masterchief8179 2 жыл бұрын
@@kennylee6499 As the Church says about itself in her magisterial authority: _“8. Christ, the one Mediator, established and continually sustains here on earth His holy Church, the community of faith, hope and charity, as an entity with visible delineation (9*) through which He communicated truth and grace to all. But, the society structured with hierarchical organs and the Mystical Body of Christ, are not to be considered as two realities, nor are the visible assembly and the spiritual community, nor the earthly Church and the Church enriched with heavenly things; rather they form one complex reality which coalesces from a divine and a human element.(10*) For this reason, by no weak analogy, it is compared to the mystery of the incarnate Word. As the assumed nature inseparably united to Him, serves the divine Word as a living organ of salvation, so, in a similar way, does the visible social structure of the Church serve the Spirit of Christ, who vivifies it, in the building up of the body.(73)_ (11*) _This is the one Church of Christ which in the Creed is professed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic, (12*) which our Saviour, after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd,(74) and him and the other apostles to extend and direct with authority,(75) which He erected for all ages as "the pillar and mainstay of the truth".(76) This Church constituted and organized in the world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the Bishops in communion with him,(13*) although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure. These elements, as gifts belonging to the Church of Christ, are forces impelling toward catholic unity”_ (Lumen Gentium, n. 8). _________ (9*) Leo XIII, Litt. Encycl. Sapientiae christianae, 10 ian. 1890 AAS 22 (1889-90) p. 392. Id., Epist. Encycl. Satis cognitium, 29 iun. 1896; AAS 28 (1895-96) pp. 710 ct 724 ss. Pius XII, Litt. Eneyel. Mystici Corporis, 1. c., pp. 199-200. (10*) Cfr. Pius XII, Litt. Encycl. Mystici Corporis, 1. c., p. 221 ss. Id., Lin. Encycl. Humani genesis, 12 Aug. 1950: AAS 42 (1950) p. 571. (11*) Leo XIII, Epist. Encycl. Satis cognitum, 1. c., p. 713. (12*) Cfr. Symbolum Apostolicum: Denz. 6-9 (10-13); Symb. Nic.-Const.: Denz. 86 (150), coll. Prof. fidei Trid.: Denz. 994 et 999 (1862 et 1868). (13*) Dieitur. Saneta (catholica apostolica) Romana Ecelesia .: in Prof. fidei Trid., 1. c. et Concl. Vat. I, Sess. III, Const. dogm. de fide cath.: Denz. 1782 (3001). [73] Cf. Eph. 4, 16. [74] Jn. 21, 17. [75] Cf. Mt. 28, 18, f. [76] 1 Tim. 3, 15.
@atlinc.s6525
@atlinc.s6525 2 жыл бұрын
@@kennylee6499 ''Luther upheld that the Catholic church was indeed the holy church'' since when did the true church began to be called the mystery babylon? didn't luther use that term?
@mojo7495
@mojo7495 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for my laugh of the day. Let's turn your statement around to: "Catholics can never give a satisfactory answer to the following argument"..... Specifically, the catechism quotes the Council of Trent (which claimed to be guided by the Holy Spirit TWICE in their decree on the Eucharist) and states that the Catholic religion may be SUMMARIZED in one sentence --which, as will be shown, just happens to be a lie. So buckle your seat belts. Notice the words in caps... “Christ our Redeemer SAID that it was TRULY his body he was OFFERING [in sacrifice at the Last Supper] ...." (CCC 1376). Aside from the fact it is point blank, flatly unbiblical to assert that Christ "offered himself in sacrifice at the Last Supper BEFORE he went to the cross" (CCC 621) because there is a specific time for everything (Ecc 3), the worse error is to misquote Jesus Christ who DID NOT SAY that the bread was "TRUUUUUUULY" his body. He said, "This is my body", period, not that the bread was "TRUUUULY" his body. Obviously, the magisterium felt the biblical account was inadequate to stand on its own, and so in reaction to the Reformers, they stuck a word in Christ's mouth to force their position that Christ was speaking literally about eating his flesh, down the gullible laity's throats pretending the Holy Spirit was guiding them.NO, the Holy Spirit was certainly NOT guiding them to add to the Text, now wake up! The fact is, the words, "This is" are shown to be metaphorical by at least 50 examples throughout the biblical record, whereas papal pundits simply ASSERT, without a scrap of evidence, that Jesus was speaking literally! If they want to risk their souls on a single-word MISQUOTE which claims to SUMMARIZE the entirety of their religious existence, then so be it. We have warned them. As a result of their being guilty of adding to the word of God, all claims for infallibility come tumbling down, not to mention anything they say about the Eucharist is to be rejected as well. Now the fact is, it is up to the Christian to decipher the Lord's meaning FROM THE TEXT, and not from the circus of Catholic apologetic clowns who came after it. Hence, based on the fact Jesus is gravely concerned about the sanctity of his word down to the last “jot and tittle” (Matt 5:18), that one, single gross addition to the word of God (namely, "TRULY") is like a flashing neon sign that signals us to consider ANY non-catholic explanation regarding the words "This is"...over and against what the Pope has to say. Therefore, not only is Transubstantiation unsubstantiated, but the claim for infallibility tips over like a house of cards, exposing Trent as a “non-prophet” organization (Eph 5:11) as well as a bunch of liars (Rev 2:2; cf: Deut 18:22, Jer 23:30-40, Ezekiel 13:1-7). It is promised in those passages that all who recklessly wag their tongues by asserting, “The Lord says”, (when the Lord did not say), will be swiftly cast out of his presence (cf. Jeremiah 14:14, 23:16-21). So WHATEVER Mr. Horn reports, here or on his other many videos, he is not to be trusted because he's promoting an irrefutably false religion whose top-gun Council of Trent misquoted Jesus Christ under the banner of infallibility. Any thoughts, Benny boy? No, I didn't think so. Therefore, Catholicism is counterfeit Christianity and you are 100% lost.
@johnmatthew536
@johnmatthew536 2 жыл бұрын
What makes protestant and baptist different from Catholics...answer. "Eucharist".. Catholics have Jesus body and blood soul and divinity for over 2000 years.
@maxonmendel5757
@maxonmendel5757 Жыл бұрын
at this point in my walk, I'll go wherever Austin goes
@1776iscool
@1776iscool Жыл бұрын
I would just like to say that I find it interesting that Austin feels free to openly study this among his piers; in my denomination it's really unacceptable to study any other theological tradition. I find that really difficult and it's actually pushed me further into this same study.
@SPEDTeacher23Math
@SPEDTeacher23Math 2 жыл бұрын
As soon as he “chooses” a side, he’ll lose 2/3 or 1/2 of his views. Then he’ll have to make it solely an orthodox/catholic/Protestant channel. He is dreading the end 😅 God bless him though and may God strengthen their marriage.
@marygr8064
@marygr8064 2 жыл бұрын
As a cradle Catholic who left the Church, I came back through Protestantism which opened up scripture to me and a personal relationship with Christ in a way Catholicism had not. I love this discussion!!!
@rhwinner
@rhwinner 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome, Mary! ❤️🙏❤️
@hailholyqueen
@hailholyqueen 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685, how so?
@HolyKhaaaaan
@HolyKhaaaaan 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 Hey good to see you from How to be Christian!
@christeeleison9064
@christeeleison9064 2 жыл бұрын
0 historical and theolical research, just emotional appeal wow!! I am shocked
@verum-in-omnibus1035
@verum-in-omnibus1035 2 жыл бұрын
Must’ve been a Novus Ordo parish.
@lindaakguest4ever50
@lindaakguest4ever50 2 жыл бұрын
Austin, congratulations on your recent marriage!!!
@jcdonathen
@jcdonathen 2 жыл бұрын
That was an unfortunate audio glitch at 45:40 lol
@Jeremy-qv7bw
@Jeremy-qv7bw 9 ай бұрын
I literally searched for a comment on that lol
@feeble_stirrings
@feeble_stirrings 2 жыл бұрын
15:53 - Isn't the stand of "unless you're a publicly committed member of this denomination you're not going to Heaven" what the Catholic Church has historically said prior to Vatican II?
@halleylujah247
@halleylujah247 2 жыл бұрын
Catholicism is not a denomination and no the Church has always and forever taught there is no salvation outside of the Catholic church. What that means is nuanced and needs further explanation. You can know the partial truth of Catholicism and still possibly be saved but don't count on it. Also the church recognizes it has the normal means for salvation and God in his Mercy can save anyone by extrodinary means.
@toddvoss52
@toddvoss52 2 жыл бұрын
No . The case of Father Feeney was pre-Vatican 2. He more or less pressed for what you are asserting and was disciplined by the Vatican in the 1950's and was excommunicated for grave disobedience.
@feeble_stirrings
@feeble_stirrings 2 жыл бұрын
@@halleylujah247 “the church has always and forever taught there is no salvation outside the church” - that’s kind of my point. Trent says he couldn’t belong to a church that says that.
@alhilford2345
@alhilford2345 2 жыл бұрын
Re: No salvation outside the Church. The Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Christ on Earth, and there is no salvation without Christ. Simple!
@phoult37
@phoult37 2 жыл бұрын
@23:48 "I have been raised in a tradition of faith" --It's both refreshing and frustrating to hear a protestant admit their doctrines are a "tradition of men" after countless dialogues with non-Catholic Christians who attacked the Church for holding to traditions of men rather than the Scriptures (as they misquote St. Paul). I do appreciate Austin and even purchased a small gift from his wedding registry. I pray for him, his wife, and their future family.
@Adam-ue2ig
@Adam-ue2ig 2 жыл бұрын
You nullify the Word of God for the sake of your traditions said Jesus...Protestants are not denouncing all tradition as anyone and everyone within Chistianity that is quote unquote "born into" a Catholic, Protestant, or Orthodox family is coming from within a lens of a particular Faith tradition. Protestants are saying they believe their tradition is more closely aligned to what they see in the apostolic new testament 1st century churches while they would say Roman Catholics for instance have beliefs that are outside of the Apostlic new testament church and are later development anachronistically fit back into the 1st century...of course many Catholics would lob same accusations back at Protestants but I think you simply missed the point on the tradition thing.
@Adam-ue2ig
@Adam-ue2ig 2 жыл бұрын
In other words you present a simplistic or straw man caricature of what Protestants believe about tradition as if it's all or nothing or a wholesale Condemnation of all tradition within Protestantism and then you shout foul when Protestants complain about Catholic tradition.
@Adam-ue2ig
@Adam-ue2ig 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 dude why are you in here trying to argue about 7th day adventism...I have no desire to continue a back and forth with you.
@Adam-ue2ig
@Adam-ue2ig 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. 7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them.
@Adam-ue2ig
@Adam-ue2ig 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
@CPATuttle
@CPATuttle 2 жыл бұрын
I like this guy
@Adam-ue2ig
@Adam-ue2ig Жыл бұрын
Check out Taylor Barrett: Sola My Interpretation
@arash402003
@arash402003 2 жыл бұрын
Congrats Austin!! Miss your content…enjoy your break. Trent, Love you but I feel like you interrupted him a lot and got him off his thought trajectory.
@mariad5094
@mariad5094 2 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine who’s a convert to the catholic church once said, “well if I were the devil and I couldn’t destroy the church, I’d lead people away and make a new church.” It’ll keep people from the eucharist, going to confession, etc. If I were the enemy, I’d lie and tell people that they have eternal security which will stop them from working out their salvation with fear and trembling. Just a thought.
@lululuna1120
@lululuna1120 2 жыл бұрын
@maira D Yes!!!
@pemcortes9467
@pemcortes9467 Жыл бұрын
Very sagacious friend you have.
@toddthacker8258
@toddthacker8258 Жыл бұрын
If I were the devil I'd have the church hand down infallible decrees on minor doctrines and expel anyone who didn't completely conform to them.
@Isaakios82
@Isaakios82 Жыл бұрын
Dear Trent, The Gospel, the ευαγγελιον, is a specific type of good news. It is the “gladsome tidings” that our king has been victorious over His enemies. Christ is risen and hath slain death! I know that you know this already. You’re my favorite Catholic apologist. Please forgive the saltiness of the newest generation of Orthodox apologists- they should take more notes from you.
@debzzie
@debzzie 2 жыл бұрын
Being eloquent like Austin Suggs #LifeGoals
@user-ks3qr5fk6m
@user-ks3qr5fk6m 2 жыл бұрын
Very true! Even if the Apostolic Church taught something that seems ridiculous, which it doesn’t, it is original Christianity. If you want to be Christian you have to be a Catholic. Anything else is filled with new doctrines, inventions, and division.
@jaybig360
@jaybig360 2 жыл бұрын
Protestant truly believe they know better than them the “old peasant Church fathers.
@jaybig360
@jaybig360 2 жыл бұрын
@@tony1685 if you trust the scriptures then you must trust the people who gave it to you and there interpretation. The early church (which was catholic fyi) survived 1500 years with out Protestants,how do you assume that out of no where luther , Calvin, etc interpretation of scriptures is valid or surpassed the one given To us by the people who a actually walked with Christ and his apostles ? Like st Ignatius of Antioch who called the church catholic and was student of John the apostle. The Bible shows the apostles meeting on the first day of the week which was Sunday for Jews. The early church did not rely on scripture like we do today. There was no such thing of scripture as we have it today these are facts. The Old Testament yes ,but the gentiles are not to follow the law. My point is if you say the scriptures is your final authority then you should trust those who gave it to you.
@nikolaibaughman8828
@nikolaibaughman8828 2 жыл бұрын
@joshjaydah the catholics didn't give the average protestant person their scriptures, the reformers did. the latin church kept tight control on the scriptures both physically and in interpretation. when bibles books became more available you got the reformers and their followers almost immediately. you make a very poor argument in light of the reality of who actually gave these people their bibles, they didn't have bibles until the reformers.
@revelation1215
@revelation1215 2 жыл бұрын
@@nikolaibaughman8828 That is patently false. Most people were illiterate so having the scriptures would have been useless. Secondly, until the invention of the printing press, scriptures had to be written by hand. Thirdly, Protestantism proves that just giving people scripture without understanding it holistically within the context of the Judeo-Christian tradition is very dangerous indeed.
@jaybig360
@jaybig360 2 жыл бұрын
@@nikolaibaughman8828 there were no such thing as reformers. Calvin , Luther etc dint reform anything they left and started their own religions. For 1500 years the entire Christian world was catholic East and west. How arrogant one must be to show up 1500 years after the Christian world is established with thousands of martyrs and say “no you guys got it wrong for 1500 years. it sounds absurd to even think say it out loud. Ps the printing press was invented at the beginning of the Protestant revolt that’s why it became easy for Luther to press up his nonsense theology. Bibles were precious and extremely expensive before the printing press. Keep in mind that majority of the world was illiterate also But don’t get it twisted the Bible was read at every mass and still is to this day everyday.
@robertopacheco2997
@robertopacheco2997 2 жыл бұрын
Is Austin a dispensationalist? Moody certainly started off as dispensational. Moody grads started Dallas Theological, the bastion of Dispensationalism.
@TexasSausage
@TexasSausage Жыл бұрын
What’s dispensationalism?
@robertopacheco2997
@robertopacheco2997 Жыл бұрын
@@TexasSausage An Evangelical system of theology pioneered by J. N. Darby in the 1800s, focusing on a pre-millennial, pre-Tribulation "Rapture."
@iqgustavo
@iqgustavo 10 ай бұрын
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:03 🎙️ Trent Horn and Austin Suggs discuss Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and Christianity's divisions. 02:09 📹 Austin's KZfaq journey began as an outlet for public speaking practice before college. 03:18 📚 Attending a Catholic Bible study sparked Austin's investigation into Catholicism. 04:08 🛐 Attending a Latin Mass and an English Mass led to comparisons and videos. 06:18 🌍 Austin's videos provide an outsider's perspective on Catholic practices and experiences. 07:33 📖 Austin's interviews explore his journey and investigate different Christian perspectives. 09:47 💍 Austin's engagement and upcoming marriage have influenced his spiritual journey. 11:50 🧭 Austin discusses his initial reservations about Catholicism and Orthodoxy. 15:05 🌟 Austin distinguishes between essential doctrines and areas of uncertainty. 16:33 ✝️ Austin finds common ground between Catholicism and Protestantism. 18:23 🕊️ Austin explores parallels between Catholic-Protestant dialogue and Christian-atheist discourse. 20:57 🧩 The key question isn't just proving Catholicism or Protestantism from the Bible, but which view has more evidence for authority. 22:18 🏰 Starting with belief in Jesus' resurrection, the choice of authority becomes critical (Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, etc.). 23:29 💒 Spiritual grounding while investigating is crucial; hopping between churches hindered spiritual growth. 24:11 ⛪️ Neglecting prayer life and community for intellectual pursuits can be problematic. 25:34 🕍 More Protestants discuss investigating Catholicism than vice versa, possibly due to denominational diversity. 27:00 🌍 Experiencing diverse denominations is common in Protestant education and formation. 28:39 🛑 Difficulty in defining core doctrines of Protestantism can lead to differing views even within the same faith. 32:26 🏠 Analysis paralysis: Staying in a familiar spiritual space to avoid the challenge of choosing a new belief system. 34:01 🕊️ Pursuit of intellectual truth versus finding a spiritual home that nurtures personal and family growth. 37:24 📜 Catholic view challenge: Papacy's credibility and role as the linchpin of the argument. 39:07 🚧 Protestant view challenge: Lack of consensus and unity due to diverse interpretations of Scripture. 41:50 🚪 Orthodoxy's place: While not discussed extensively, it might bridge the gap between Catholicism and Protestantism, but also requires accepting apostolic succession. 42:46 🤔 Investigating a potential shift between non-denominational Protestantism and Catholicism, possibly towards Orthodoxy or Anglicanism. 43:01 💡 Orthodoxy appeals to many Protestants because it's not Catholicism, but the struggle lies in the desire for a robust magisterial authority. 43:28 🌟 Positive aspects of Orthodoxy include a vibrant spiritual life and practices like the Jesus Prayer, but concerns about incomplete magisterial authority exist. 44:09 🧐 The idea of a strong magisterium and a pope makes sense logically if revelation extends beyond Scripture. 45:19 📖 The suggestion to explore different Protestant statements of authority, such as the Westminster Confession, to see if they provide a closer alignment to personal beliefs. 46:56 🤔 Examining the authority claims within Protestantism and considering if they offer a suitable foundation for belief compared to Catholicism's magisterial authority. 49:19 🤝 Drawing a parallel between persuading atheists to believe in God and encouraging Protestants to investigate the foundation of their authority claims. 51:39 📘 Considering the duration and depth of the investigation into faith tradition, acknowledging the balance between thoroughness and avoiding analysis paralysis. 53:28 🏠 Analogizing the process of choosing a faith tradition to selecting a home, emphasizing the importance of discernment and avoiding premature decisions. 56:06 💬 Acknowledging the challenge of maintaining a delicate balance between investigation and commitment in the process of choosing a faith tradition. 57:55 🛡️ Encouraging individuals to seek a strong foundation of authority and certainty, not merely accepting beliefs as brute facts or default options. 58:47 💒 Reflecting on the importance of finding a spiritual home with conviction while remaining open to the possibility of refining one's beliefs over time.
@merseabless8305
@merseabless8305 2 жыл бұрын
Love these two and I pray Austins future wife accompanies him in his spiritual journey.
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