Retcon lol

Feminism

Well she went from living in a moderately cushy couple of middle class homes, to an antique store (which is more or less like a halfway home), to pretty much homeless at the end. If I were homeless, I’d rather be a toy too honestly!

@@kaekaesam6240 that makes sense that she'd change from all that. That's not a problem the problem is that the movie acts like she's always been like that as shown in the flashback at the start of the movie

They repeated the same steps with her as they did with Sally in Cars 2. Went from a developing love interest to a car wanting some Italian

Absolutely! They broke the golden rule - bros before hoes! It's the Bro Code! They totally WRECKED an awesome team that's been through every kind of horror a toy can endure TOGETHER! And for what? To get a bunch of celebrities to put their voices into a lazy cash grab and sell a bunch of merchandise! Shame on them! What a rotten way to end a beloved series!

So true. Also, Disney made a goodbye video for Ralph and Venelope separating, even though they still stayed in contact. But, they didn't make one for Woody and Buzz, yet they have no way to stay in contact. It's horrible! Buzz and Woody are the ideal characters of friends and they took them a part just because they wanted to give Woody "character development" that would completely demolish his character.

It's so stupid and I despise the "friends/family leaving each other" trope. You don't need to make the characters separate cause that's not always necessary for character development, and it just feels emotionally cheap. Frozen 2, Ralph Breaks the Internet, and Toy Story 4 are some egregious examples. How To Train Your Dragon 3 was bound to come, but the way the writers handled it left a bad taste in my mouth.

@@tototats16 Exactly!

@BIG DICK ClUTCH That's one of the truest statements.

Bonnie

Andy: Woody will never ever give up on you. Woody: Imma abandon Bonnie to try and get some coochie from a girlboss retcon.

Yeah they made Bonnie such an awful little brat 😪

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You're right about Bonnie. All of you are. I know Forky was "the most important toy" to her at one moment, but to tell you something, kids change their minds on a whim, which means when she wakes up one day, she might decide that she wants to play with Woody again. But because she can't find him she's gonna start crying about it realizing that she broke her promise to Andy and Buzz, Jessie and the other toys aren't gonna be able to do anything about it because they have no idea where in the world Woody is! And it's all thanks to Josh Cooley!

Not to mention Forky and her parted after that with a huge hug, as if she was never holding him captive in the first place.

I'm surprised she never got confronted with that. They literally let that shit slide as if Gabby was innocent. As for Bo Beep, I couldn't help but be on Woody's side. A toy was endangered and she didn't seem to give af. At least she tried to help at first

Hard agree. Gabby Gabby was the worst character in the franchise and I had no sympathy for her at all.

I'm to hear about what happened to you. I hope that your life is far better now. Take care.

The way Bo treats woody is horrible. She never once treats him as an equal and constantly talks down to him and talks shit to other people when he is RIGHT THERE

It's uncalled for, yes. But the point of her words is that Woody lacks identity outside his owner. He needs to find his own self outside everyone else. His decision is a bit extreme yes, but ultimately sometimes people need to step away from their past to find who they will be in their future.

@@PathBeyondTheDark Well I agree with Jori Joestar. I never liked how Bo treated Woody either. A good message to convey to kids is that sometimes people change over the years, and it goes to show that someone you loved when you were younger doesn't stay the same person as time passes. And Bo Peep is a perfect example of that. But to see Woody stay with her in the end just because he loves her (but she also verbally abuses him) absolutely disgusts me. You do know that, do you?

No she didn’t 😮

@@kenziej4301 She didn't what?

There's this one scene that I remember when Woody and Bo got to the pinball machine club. When Woody asks, "Uh, what are we doing--?" and then Bo says "Shh! Just stand there and be quiet." Jeez Louise. All he did was ask her a simple question and all she could do in response is aggressively tell him to shut up and stand by doing nothing? What is wrong with her? Woody is doing everything in his power to help her and this is how she treats him? Good grief. Maybe it's for the best that she left him when she did; I mean clearly she has no respect for him whatsoever anymore. Then Bo told Woody that she would do the talking, as if he's some kind of idiot and that she has such a way with words. So Tin Toy lets them into the pinball machine and upon asking her if Woody is her friend, she says, "My friend? No, no, no, he's my accessory." This goes to show that she is a terrible compassionless person with no respect for anybody anymore. Plus that comment she said to Tin Toy about Woody made me wanna jump into the movie so I can give her a piece of my mind. I mean, come on, Woody's a toy, not an accessory!

I couldn't agree more

People completely miss the point of TS4. Woody doesn’t leave because he isn’t played with. He is shown to be played with briefly during the road-trip montage. The reason Woody sticks beside Andy for so long because is because he had a long standing deep personal connection. He is unwilling to accept any alternative from Andy for most of the movie. His arc in TS3 is learning to let go of Andy and finally move on to something new. In TS4, Woody feels like his purpose has been fulfilled through Andy going off to college. He has slowly come to realize that Bonnie doesn’t love or need Woody the same way Andy did and therefore Woody can’t be there for her the same way he was there for Andy. But that’s ok because Woody is still sticking by Bonnie. He’s doing everything he can to take care of her even though he is unnoticed and unappreciated. He follows her to kindergarten when she is scared, but stays hidden and never tries to take the glory for himself. He jumps out of the window of a moving RV just to rescue and return a Spork because he knows it will make her happy. (TS1 Woody would’ve let Forky just fly away). He is going out of his way to look out for Bonnie at every turn. Then he is reunited with Bo Peep who has been on her own for years. Introducing Woody to a whole new lifestyle for toys. A lifestyle he once believed to be one of the worst case scenarios for a toy. He learns that being lost and ownerless doesn’t have to be a bad thing. He starts to realize that there are lots of toys that have been lost their entire lives and have never had an owner or even been played with once. After helping Gabby unite with the lost girl at the carnival it reignites a passion and fulfillment inside of him that he hasn’t felt in a long time. He has finally discovered a new purpose outside of being with a kid. He can help lost toys find owners and potentially create the same bond that he once had with Andy and briefly Bonnie. But even after all of this he isn’t willing to leave until after Buzz gives Woody his blessing and assures him that Bonnie will be ok and taken care of by the rest of them. If the only reason he left was because he wasn’t played with or because of Bo then he could’ve and would’ve left much earlier in the film. The previous movies have hinted and nearly gone through with Woody and the rest of the gang separating as well. In TS2, Woody very nearly goes to the museum and twice in TS3. Once when Woody leaves the group at Sunnyside to go back to Andy and again towards the end of the movie when Woody nearly goes to college while the others would’ve gone to the attic. I do agree that Ralph Breaks the Internet and Frozen II did this very poorly. The reason it’s handled so badly in Ralph 2 is because the first movie hammers home the rules and consequences of going Turbo and the sequel completely ignores it. Plus they made Vanellope want to abandon the game that she spent the entire first movie fighting to be a part of right from the start of the sequel. And in Frozen II it just comes completely out of nowhere. Maybe if I rewatched the movie there might be some clues and foreshadowing but I just have no desire to do so. I haven’t seen HTTYD3 but I’ve heard it’s good. Wasn’t much of a fan of HTTYD2 tbh but will still give 3 a shot.

I agree with you, even though I kind of liked Frozen 2. And I'm glad you point out The Hidden World ending for the Dreamworks Dragons series as acceptable. I know it's not what this video is about, but I feel like many dislike the ending of HTTYD 3, because "Toothless left his best friend for a girl". It's not the only reason, it's obvious in the movie itself that the dragons left to be kept safe. Night Furies were literally hunt to extinction. Unless the Night Lights had some incest going on later generations, after taking on Light Fury mates the first few times, Night Fury genes would be gone. There's plenty of Light Furies in the Hidden World, too. Sure, Hiccup and the vikings could've kept their dragons and fought against all odds together, but Toothless has the best chance of raising a family and pass on his genes, if they're in the Hidden World. They wouldn't have to worry about being a target. And Berk was a target because of all the dragons they had. They made the decision to free their dragons, so neither side had to worry to that extent. With no dragons left on the surface, they wouldn't have to worry about other vikings attacking them with powerful types either. It's also heavily implied Berk has most of the population of dragons in one place, so when those followed Alpha Toothless underground, the surface dragons would likely seek out the rest and find the place, or die out. With some imagination, it's not that hard to make the ending believable. Besides, Hiccup and Toothless weren't seperated forever. They can visit eachother, and still care.

@@SlipNJimmy You have a point. Interesting analysis. The movie wasn't for me personally, and it was pretty much unnecessary, but I can see that the plot isn't unforgivingly bad.

Httyd 3 sucked

@glitchon An unearned emotional ending is emotional manipulation. There is a thin line between the two and they crossed it.

He didnt abandon his friends for some booty, he took a step toward finding himself separate from his co-dependence on Andy. Andy was gone and the girl was never going to fill that gap because she is not Andy. He depended too heavily on that relationship and lacked identity. He needed to find a new reason to live, and he did.

@@PathBeyondTheDark Woody leaving his friends/family to be with Bo completely and utterly goes against his character. Hell, even in the audio commentary for Toy Story 3 the director and writers themselves stated that Woody ditching the other toys to be with Andy would not only make him look like a jerk but it would go against his character.

@@puffnstuff7905 Yeah, and as Lee Unkrich, the director of said movie said that Woody just wouldn't do it. In fact, he shouldn't do it.

@@PathBeyondTheDark so you're saying you should leave your family and friends who care about you just to be with a girl who you haven't seen in over 5 years and talks shit to you? You have problems

Bo evolved

@@MossPathway I get that's the idea, but it didn't feel like an extension of her character, but a completely different character.

@@benraven9087 Yes, the old Bo Peep cared about Woody's loyalty to his owner. She felt bad even when Andy lost him in the first movie, this Bo Peep doesn't give a damn about Woody or his wants or needs at all. So for him to just leave with her in the end is a slap in the face to the original Toy Story trilogy.

@@MossPathway More like regressed and turned a 180 as a character.

Tbh most of the characters were littarly just in a van most of the movie

That is what I'm saying 👏🏾 3rd movie had a prefect ending

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EXACTLY!! I was upset that they proceeded to make another movie that didn't even need to exist.

@@sagittariusbeauty I love everything toy story everything about it even felt toy story four 4 is incredible I can felt that some people was hurt felling with toy story 4 becuses some people belived was cash grab but destiny for some reason dint wanted to be the last toy story flim the third one I was 11 went came out Been someone with austistic went I saw toy story 4 almost of the people enjoy well my sister been his birthday also my mom my young sister say that she dispise bonnie this flim was no lickable to her to her saying was great but felt flop over the first 3 flims becuses the end felt like contradicting the ending of third I did actually kinda becuse woody left it gang bonnie breaks his promise also I praise your video it excellent on every level becuses your opnion is correct but in a kind way you see there this youtuber call gamingmagic13 it make like 5 long videos about toy story 4 but the due is beyond insane he hated toy story 4 alot becuses felt like it brain 🧠 destroyed it life the four one becuse of everything that happen it say it a 1 hours 5 part videos the dude is in need sicological therapy or mental treatment you need to see a video of him becuse a friend of my mine that has a toy story channel mexico 🇲🇽 Hispanic told him something to call it down about his hatedtreh but gamingmagic13 was too rude disrespectful it told this message that it long about saying you are not a true fan I am the true fan f-ck you for infinity and beyond something like that annyway talking about toy story 4 is a long complex talk felling about we should have another discussion about it in a better time

Yeah, 4 wasn't "bad", but it just... didn't need to exist. It felt more like a non canon spin-off/sequel than a "true ending"

THANK YOU, finally someone gets it. Everytime someone tries to defend the ending of ts4 of Woody abandoning his friends it's always "Well, Woody needed to discover himself" Or " Woodys mission is fulfilled now he's gonna live his own life" And I'm just thinking, wat?.... The narrative and concept for toys in Toy Story is toys come to life and their purpose is to bring joy to a child, as Buzz once said: "Life's only worth living if you're being loved by a kid" THAT'S IT. But the 4th film introduced so many unnecessary new concepts that now make the Toy Story world confusing.

@@puffnstuff7905 yeah and - honestly, there's something nasty about it. It's like Woody is now disappointed in children and he decided to just use them for his own needs and - for whatever reason, no attachment or this sacred owner/toy bond needed or allowed. I just see no point in the whole concept of toys needing someone to play with them after this movie at all if being a lost toy and "travelling the world" was always an option.

Those toys deserve a single owner!!! 🥺

@@kenziej4301 Here here! Toys were made to be played with by kids, not to go wandering around the world doing whatever they please!

They mentioned it in 2, but God...

I see the 4th movie as Andy's fever dream, than he wakes up wondering if his toys are even alive but than dismissing it as ridiculous

Part 5 should be Andy at a goodwill as an adult dad and discovers woody, realizes it’s the exact woody he owned as a child and meets a whole new gang of baby toys 🤷🏼‍♀️ and bo peep broke to pieces

I agree.

I literally do this with any sequel I don't like.

They even got Andy’s house wrong in the first scene, so it is kinda canon tbh

I’m not watching Toy Story 5 (if they ever make it, and let’s face it with how much Disney and Pixar love making money now I can’t see any reason why they wouldn’t even without Tom Hanks) unless it undoes the ending of 4. And even then no matter what they do it’ll always still be kinda broken.

tell me about it. it pretty much said everything about being a toy in the first 3 was bullshit & ruined the perfect finale 3 was

I didn't think about that when I first watched it. Hm, that's quite disappointing. It can easily be a mistake, unintentional, but it still has the potential to be harmful.

I can understand where the disability comparisons come from, but I don’t necessarily agree. The movie establishes right from Gabby’s introduction that her voice box can be fixed very easily if she gets the right parts. Most disabilities can’t be fixed, at least not entirely. And the voice box itself isn’t even attached to her like it is for Woody or other toys. She could get rid of the voice box altogether is she wanted to. It is really more of an insecurity for Gabby. She thinks she needs to be perfect to get a child’s love and attention. But she ultimately realizes that even with her voice fixed there will still be some kids who don’t like/want her. This could be applied to the disability metaphor too where just because her disability was “fixed” doesn’t mean she automatically got everything she wanted.

I always hated the fact that woody had to give up his voicebox to save an insignificant plastic fork that didn’t want to be a toy. It feels in vain and just bad writing woody gave an important component of himself to Gabby Gabby.

Not to mention she had no character redemption moment AND got what she wanted in the end

@@zalybrainlessgenius503 and she didn't even apologize for hurting Woody and manipulating him into handing over his voice box. She only tried to give it back since she had no use for it and got rejected by that little girl. Gabby Gabby deserves no happiness.

In all honesty, Cars 2 probably would’ve received better reviews if was titled “Mater: A Cars Story” instead of “Cars 2”

Pixar not Disney.

tell me about it. the last shot of 3 was the clouds on andys wallpaper & thats how the first one all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that were awesome but a fourth movie was just the stupidest fucking idea. woody taught buzz & jessie himself that having kids love them was the whole damn reason toys were invented in the first place. i heard pixar decided while 3 was the end of woodys story it wasnt the end of his story & thats such bullshit. he & buzz said in 3 whatever happened they were all gonna be 2gether 4 infinity & beyond & thats how it shouldve been. im 27 & have all of them. woodys my favorite like andy & hes the first one i got 8 years ago at toys r us! i got him with me right now & i promised him i’ll always love him & take care of him no matter how old i am!!! i didnt care if i was 19!!! slinks my second favorite cuz im a dog person & he was his best friend b4 buzz. when i play with woody & buzz sometimes i tell them they mightve said goodbye but theyll have each other & all be 2gether 4 infinity & beyond like it shouldve been as long as theyre with me. im glad toys r us opened back up in macys but i hope they open their actual stores back up like they planned b4 fucking covid. i still love it & toys

😹 everyone crying for inanimate objects

Me too.

Forky was offensive to mentally challenged

TS4 is IMDB Bottom 100 material! I still love TS1-3 but 4 is absolutely terrible!

I’m just gonna tell myself Annie Potts signed onto a different movie.

so did i & i just heard pixar confirmed a fifth damn one. im pissed asf. i cant believe it. this shit ruined our childhoods & the perfect finale 3 was already

You're talking about GamingMagic13's 5 part video essay "How Toy Story 4 Destroyed Everything".

tell me about it. it ruined everything. the last shot of 3 was the clouds in the sky like on andys wallpaper & thats how the first movie all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that were awesome but not another movie. bo peep was never one of my favorite characters 4 whatever reason. ive heard some people say 3 ended andys story while 4 ended woodys & thats such bullshit. toy story that time 4got shouldve ended his story. he & buzz said in 3 whatever happened they were all gonna be 2gether & thats how it shouldve been

They could’ve had the opening scene of 4 be a short so then people would know what happened to her. We didn’t need the pile of crap that is the fourth movie

@@bengilhooly3616 probably not. Bo peep was a dainty feminine presence, which makes sense because she's a porcelain doll, which is known for being very easily damaged. They just made her a power girl figure for the feminist agenda. Toy story 4's bo peep is not the same bo peep in 1 or 2. A short would be fine to show exactly what happened to her, but I think it should have been left alone. From woody's reaction her being either donated or sold was kind of an easy assumption to make since the second movie was more or less caused by a yard sale.

I agree with you

Same

Me too.

I agree! I have before enjoyed other widely hated movie sequels like Shrek The Third and Cars 2 but Toy Story 4 is my 2nd most hated animated movie of the 2010s behind The Emoji Movie!

so do i & neither will i

Great movie? no! Pixar's worst? Far from it.

@@blairexodus8005 genuinely dude. Really look at what it ruins. Cars 2 is bad, sure but it's a sequel to cars. There's not much to ruin. Good Dinosaur and Luca are generic but they at least operate to extent. TS4 doesn't make any sense and contradicts itself whilst also ruining every character from the first 3, as well as the new ones being complete assholes.

@@jordannewitt I wouldn't say its really bad, but it does feel like a different story.

Same here for me. I hated how Dolly, Bo Peep, Giggle McDimples and Gabby Gabby treated poor Woody. They beat the crud out of him by bossing him around, verbally abusing him, condescending him, gaslighting him, manipulating him and ripping him apart. And I don't understand why he would want to go with Bo in the end; she's been completely rude, ungrateful, bossy, unlikeable, and mean to him throughout the majority of the movie by talking garbage about him to other toys when he was RIGHT NEXT TO HER!!

The Toy Story movies made me feel the same way about my own toys too. I know that toys are inanimate objects in real life, but if I throw them away, or get rid of them, it'd hurt their feelings, and that's something I don't want for them.

What is not inline with a character losing the reason for his existence and not finding the same happiness with someone else? This is a very simple concept to understand - toy loves his boy to the point of co-dependence, something clearly on display in the movies. When that connection is severed a part of his identity was too. The film is about finding ones own identity separate from anyone else. Only then you can hope to move on and be happy.

Btw i am not saying you are saying he is out of character, just that in general this seems to be the consensus in this comment section and it makes no sense seeing as the film spends its entire runtime showing you just how miserable and lost Woody is. Its not hard to see why he makes the decision he does.

@@PathBeyondTheDark Honestly you make some very good points. I definitely agree that it was healthy for Woody to move on from Andy, and later Bonnie, to find his own sense of purpose. I think what bothers me more is his decision to leave the rest of the toys, because they’re a family with an incredibly strong bond, and it feels like he left them a bit too easily. But either way I agree with what you’re saying and I think I understand his decision more now.

Oh and it gets worse there making a 5

Exactly my thoughts.

tell me about it. it was a total fucking cash grab. buzz said in 3 whatever happened they were all gonna be 2gether then woody said 4 infinity & beyond & thats how it shouldve been

Yeah, I get what you mean. I honestly thought that they would never make 4 but it happened. I was like “don’t tell me that’s the end” I was very confused

tell me about it. it ruined everything. the last shot of 3 was the clouds in the sky on andys wallpaper & thats how the first one all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that were awesome but a fourth movie was a horrible idea & a fucking cash grab

The only two things I liked about Toy Story 4 were the first five minutes of the beginning, because, to me, it captured the essence and spirit of the original trilogy (except when Bo Peep doesn't care about Andy anymore more and says "Kids lose toys everyday, no big deal."), and the beautiful animation, but under its surface, the story suffers minute after minute right until the end.

A TV series centered around Andy's toys right after the events of Toy Story 2, just like they did with Buzz in Buzz Lightyear Of Star Command sounds like a good idea. It'd go on for 2 or 3 seasons, starting in 2000 and ending in 2003. Cast: Jim Hanks as Woody Patrick Warburton as Buzz Lightyear Grey DeLeslie as Jessie Wallace Shawn as Rex Blake Clarke as Slinky Dog Andrew Stanton as Hamm Don Rickles as Mr. Potato Head Estelle Harris as Mrs. Potato Head Jeff Pidegon as the aliens Kaith Soucie as Bo Peep Jodi Benson as Barbie Shawn Flemming as Andy Davis Laurie Metcalf as Mrs. Davis

How does that make any sense at all? Also, your logic of Andy replacing original Buzz can easily apply to all the other toys, including Woody (Toy Story 3 commentary compares Woody to Lotso so the idea was there). And why on earth would Buzz ever decide to stay with Sid after seeing all the toys that were mutilated? And Buzz literally flies at the end of the first movie. You also ignore the timespan between 1-3 because you Andy putting him in the attic while ignoring the fact that he Andy is a teenager here and at least values his toys to the point where he would put them in the attic whereas Sid (whose a much older kid than Andy in the 1st movie) would've just blown him up. And what's stopping Sid from getting a new Buzz when the old one is useless to him? The same logic can easily apply to Sid.

dont see it. i tried being a little open minded when i did but not that much. there were these stupid kids who talked thru the whole thing too. the last shot of 3 was the clouds in the sky on andys wallpaper & thats how the first one all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that were awesome but a fourth movie was such a stupid idea & ruined everything. that lightyear movie looks stupid af too. tim wont even be in it & nobody can play buzz like tim. his movie the adventure begins & the show was a kick-ass spinoff already. i was almost six when it came out & had it on vhs. i moved in october 2017 & my vcr still worked but my mom made me get rid of it anyway :( i bought it on dvd from amazon last year & just watched it again the other night

Watch and judge for yourself. The film does an adequate job of showing you how Woody feels in a post-Andy world. He has never been without him, so saying he is out of character under such a new circumstance is misguided at best. He is lost and needs a new direction. That is what the film explores.