hah! but it's the healthiest of addictions! do I sense an imminent relapse?

Fancy seeing you here.

I'd agree with that statement! I want a Lisp tutorial as well, lol 🙃 on my list of things to learn.

@@codetothemoon lisp is easy. if you have experience with python - then u may try out "hylang" which is ... i don't know the technical term - but it allows u to use python constructs in lisp syntax. once you become -familiar- fluent with the syntax; u can easily migrate over to lisp. just one caution: don't try to force python onto hylang while learning - u will only get frustrated;; leave the python bits that don't seem to be supported in hylang. use it as a different language - u will definitely like it and learn alot :)

That was true in the past but with the amount of plugins + built in support for LSP it's a lot more than a text editor. More accurate to say "vim is a text editor by default" because you can really build a whole IDE out of vim if you want

nice, really happy you got something out of the video!

This is my problem with tools like, these. I can accomplish the same with Notion and VS Code.Sure it's not one app, but the learning curve is so small. And i'm already trying to tame learning curves of everchanging tech.

@@Alastairtheduke1and the market is going to simple solution 99% of computer users have no use case for using eMacs

@@Alastairtheduke1 I am also in a similar boat, I currently use Obsidian and a mixture of pycharm, neovim, and vscode. However, i must say that you''re comment seems extremely counter-intuitive if you take just a moment to think about it again.... Emacs has been around since forever, and is considered an "evergreen skill" for that very reason. In theory, learning emacs should be something that sticks with you and will continue to allow you to improve your workflow for the rest of your life. Still, I am currently spending more time ricing Arch Linux hyprland and different programs to match my theme than i am actually studying or learning anything that would more directly result in me being able to find work. Emacs by default looks kinda ugly, so i know that the first thing i am going to do is spend 50 hours customising how it looks.

Just master your tools

Thanks! 😎

Great, really glad you liked it! I'm actually currently working on another video that you'll probably like - should be released around June 4 or so

The key sound is real for sure. According to his kzfaq.info/get/bejne/prFkZLCjmbHIlGQ.html video, they are linear red switches.

Nice! nothing like finding a setup that feels like home. I'm excited to see where Helix goes too - I have a hunch that it has a bright future.

@@codetothemoon But right now it's pretty dark, and unfriendly to new users.

Helix needs a folder tree and copilot and then I'll switch back :)

What is "fit editor"?

@@windows99 best-fit, the one that fits me the best.

nice, glad it's not just me! and thank you! 🙏

thanks!

nice, glad you got something out of it! Definitely let us know how the journey goes!

It's been 6 months.

@Jaycuse any update?

8 months now, how you doing bro?

He dead

Glad you liked it!

thanks for watching!

Nice! I hadn't heard of tangle, I'll have to check that out!

Thanks, really happy you liked it! I suspect some of my family members have my other videos on their sleep playlist as well 🙃

Thank you!

Thanks, I'd love to say that I never make mistakes, but the reality is that I made a ton and edited them out to keep the video more concise! Also there was one I didn't actually catch, I think I put two 's' characters in "blogs"

"blogss"

Thanks for watching!

ohkay enough!! show me where is it, i will install that too 😂😂 > _"but Doom EMACs is probably the thing that got me to switch from VSCode"_

glad you liked it!

planning a video like that at some point! The keyboard is a Corne v3

haha thank you! was aiming for something aesthetically pleasing 😎

yeah that's what I've heard as well. I think even if one of the org neovim plugins had full parity with emacs org mode, I'd probably still be using emacs. I think the only things I prefer about Neovim are that it uses Lua (as opposed to emacs lisp) and I think Telescope is a bit better than dired. But now I can just use ChatGPT to write the emacs lisp for whatever I need 😎

thanks! luckily I think such a video would be extremely short, because my configuration is pretty close to default! DOOM emacs comes with amazing default configuration. This video is a good general intro to DOOM kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mtiPnKWbnpfJlX0.html

interesting! I think I may have used Kate a long time ago, but I don't think I fully explored it. Given your experience, your endorsement carries a lot of weight. Thanks for putting it back on my radar!

I use kate for quick things

I don't find tutorials on Kate. Whenever I open a C# project in it, it tells me that it can't find the OmniSharp server. The problem is, I do not know how to add it. VS Code ads it automatically. If I can find good tutorials about Kate, I would start using it.

@@theplaymakerno1 yeah same > _"Whenever I open a C# project in it, it tells me that it can't find the OmniSharp server."_

i thought kdevelop adds stuff on top of kate, so, it should be at least be equal to kate? is it not so?? > _"I have used ... kdevelop anjuta"_

nice! Helix is fantastic. OOC what problems did you have with vim that you didn't have with Helix?

@@codetothemoon Helix just feels and looks much nicer and the keymaps are more intuitive to me personally.

nice, bon voyage on your emacs journey!

@@thingsiplay You are seem to be missing the joke!

@@nad9969 You are seem to missing the joke on my side too.

@@thingsiplay Seems to be sarcasm and sarcasm != joke. But that is me looking at text and trying to assume context from comments lacking context. So just guessing.

can totally understand that point of view! I love how lightweight *vim is

You can have markdown editor & an Email & a chat client in it

nice - yeah I can't see myself switching to anything else in the near future. Far future maybe.

agree! honestly not sure if I would be using emacs if it wasn't for DOOM. There is so much useful functionality that I wouldn't have known existed if I was using vanilla. OOC why did you switch back to vanilla?

@@codetothemoon I started with Doom and wanted to get a taste of emacs APIs and how the editor was architected. I really liked the concept of minor modes and maps, but elisp kinda shows it's age at some points. There are a lot of modules that don't really play well with evil-mode, you can really tell it's not a first class citizen, and sadly, evil-collection does not fix everything. I've seen a lot of ex vimmers that ended giving up on evil because of this. I truly think it's the superior way of editing text though. I will probably go back to doom. The amount of work put into the project is insane and there are thousands of issues ironed out, but at the time being NeoVim is looking like a super healthy project and emacs not so much which is one of the main reasons I went back.

Thanks, really glad you enjoyed it!

you can think of org as an alternative to markdown, in that it provides a means of dictating the format of the text using symbols within the text itself. org-roam can be thought of as an alternative to Obsidian, that happens to use the org format, instead of markdown like Obsidian does. re: bindings, I'm using evil mode which is the default in doom emacs. I like to stick with the vim bindings so I can move back ad forth between emacs and vim with minimal adjustment

that's exactly right - I can't remember the details but I think for Python I had to return something from the org code block to get it to print the value.

glad you liked it!

In this video I'm using a Corne, which is a fantastic board. If you're interested, I did an entire video on keyboards! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/prFkZLCjmbHIlGQ.html

Thanks, glad you found it interesting! I agree many find something like org mode to not really be a huge factor in choosing an IDE, but given that the things you mention are fantastic in both editors, for me the differentiating factors move elsewhere to features like org mode. Re: split keyboards, I have at least 2 videos in mind on this topic, but they make take a bit of time to make. I've decided that split ortholinear (technically "columnar") keyboards are the only way forward for me. For me the split yield less fatigue in my neck and shoulders because of the more natural posture - some say it helps with wrist pain but I never had that problem to begin with. The columnar / ortholinear aspect means a stagger can be applied to the key columns, making it so you don't have to bend your longer fingers so aggressively when typing. Separate but related is the idea that one should minimize the number of keys used so that the fingers never have to go far from the home row, and having a keyboard with fewer keys is a great forcing function to achieve that. I'm using a combination of home row mods and layers on a 36 key layout (the Corne in this video is 42 keys but I'm not using the outermost columns) to do this.

oh hey!

@@j.spiegel3650 hi! (?)

@@BvngeeCord You probably know me better as FaunuX

@@j.spiegel3650 oh damn no way

Thank you! yep it's a Corne. My layout is pretty non-standard afaik, I will likely cover it in a future keyboard video. Long story short is that I have 3 layers and I use home row mods

nice, how long did it take you to get to a place where you were happy with your config? and ty 😎

@@codetothemoon I've gone through quite a few iterations, each time starting over from scratch. What I have now is pretty decent, we'll see how it goes.

Glad you like it! Helix is awesome. If you like org mode want to stick with Helix, maybe check out marksman if you haven't already: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bq2BfrJ9zcW6ZXk.html I wasn't aware if it during the period when I was using Helix, but it looks pretty nice

@@codetothemoon Thanks!

point taken! I think emacs and vim are compared more often because there is a set of people who will never consider learning a keyboard-centric editor, and thus wouldn't really consider either as viable options. and vice versa, if you're willing to consider one you're probably willing to consider the other. just a theory - not sure.

thanks! I wouldn't have thought to do something like this, hats off to the fellow who came up with the idea (I mention him toward the end of the video)

thank you!

the setup is actually quite nice - I use home row mods to the control keys are under my ring fingers and the alt keys are under my index fingers. Very convenient to press for the emacs key chords 😎

thanks! Keyboard is a Corne v3. I am planning to make a video about my keyboard story at some point.

vim is fantastic!

Thanks! They are Gateron Pro Reds

@@codetothemoon Coooool! Thank you so much!

I use it on a mac so I probably wouldn't be the best person to make such a guide, but it looks like there is one here! dev.to/scarktt/installing-doom-emacs-on-windows-23ja

* for people NOT familiar with Emacs!

Nice, Neovim is pretty amazing (haven't tried Astro myself though). I found this video very helpful for getting started with DOOM emacs kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mtiPnKWbnpfJlX0.html

gotta give credit where credit is due!

yeah, i installed codeblocks; the amount of options it throws right off the bat made me overwhelmed. never opened it back again 😅 > _"Codeblocks has much more, but I don't use."_

​@@yash1152It has good defaults, so you don't need to configure it much.

Thank you! It's a Corne v3

Thanks! They are Gateron Pro Reds

@@codetothemoon And the keyboard, is this Corne? Bought, or build (kit, or fully DIY?)? I'm currently using handwired Atreus clone, but looking for something more professional.

Thanks! I can definitely understand the input lag thing - nvim is just so incredibly snappy. The keyboard is a Corne v3. Funny - I almost got a Moonlander, but I'm really glad I didn't because I wound up using fewer and fewer keys as time went on. I started with a Keebio Iris which is a great board, but I found myself never using the whole top row, so I got the Corne. Then with the Corne I started using home row mods so there was no longer a need for the leftmost and rightmost columns, so I got a Chocofi which does away with those. I've heard the Moonlander is a great board and many swear by them, I'm personally just a "move my fingers as little as possible" sort of person.

Neovim has Neorg

@@melodyogonna true, but neorg is not on par with org mode yet. Some things like including images and snippet execution don't work yet. The image thing may never work without breaking compatibility with terminals that don't support graphics protocols. So it's not a drop in replacement yet. But it is great nonetheless!

@@mario7501 yup, Neorg is still in Beta, or maybe even alpha, still lots of work to be done but it's already incredibly helpful.

shop.beekeeb.com/product/pre-soldered-crkbd-v3-mx-corne-keyboard/

Helix is awesome! If you haven't tried it already, I've heard good things about Marksman - might give you a similar experience in Helix. Re: keymap, here's a link to my Chocofi keymap - the Corne keymap is basically the same even though it has 6 more keys (I don't use the leftmost and rightmost key columns). Make sure you look at the actual keybindings and not the commented lines, I haven't updated those to reflect my actual keymap github.com/Me163/zmk-config-chocofi/blob/master/config/corne.keymap

your english is great! I was surprised when I read the last sentence of your comment. DOOM emacs and Neovim are both great places to get a feel for the "terminal editor" world. The great part is that both have roughly the same default key bindings, you can hop back and forth to your heart's content without having to retrain your muscle memory.

Nvim + kickstart might be close to what you're looking for. It's neovim with a nice default configuration which you can easily extend. Comes with LSP support and an intuitive UI. Browsing in a project with it is a breeze. I'm currently using it for Rust development

@oosterling almost similar case with me. I have been using VS Code since years. But recently I got a Ryzen PC with Ubuntu and VS Code is freezing and I have to restart everytime. That's why I was looking for an alternative. @Code to the Moon: Although I am convinced to use Emacs, still somewhere in my heart, someone is not sure whether the steep learning curve of Emacs does worth it! 🤔

These are Gateron Reds. I’ve tried the tactiles everyone raves about - U4T, Glorious Panda - but I keep coming back to these. Been wanting to try more linears but it’s really hard to imagine something better than these

Thanks! It's a Corne rev 3. It has Gateron Reds in it (50g linear). Lately I've been a fan of Gateron Oil Kings, if I made it again today I'd probably drop those in it.

thanks, it's Monaco!

@@codetothemoon thanks

Thanks, they are Gateron Red Pros

Gateron Red Pros!

I almost did but ultimately decided to leave it out! Maybe I should have kept it in...

Definitely should have kept it in.

what's that?

The typing itself is not sped up at all, but I did edit out some parts where I stop typing for more than a few seconds

Yeah I think there's definitely a group of people for whom it doesn't really bring anything to the table for. Ie you already have a tool that you like for things like meeting / project notes and design docs, or you're not into the whole 'personal wiki' thing, and you have no need for literate programming (the canonical use case for that probably being data science).

@@codetothemoon As someone who vaguely comes from the data science angle, I have always hated jupyter notebooks... not sure why, just not my cuppa. I'm sure this exists already but my ideal would be little dynamic code view blocks within markdown, that just point to a chunk of source like a particular function or scope and displays it and updates on changes without having to type it out again. That way you can add more in depth annotation, without littering source files.

@@johanngambolputty5351 like R Markdown?

@@deno-adenoz It's been a while since I used that, is that not similar to jupyter notebooks? You write the code in the same file as the markdown? (I'd like no markdown in the code itself. What I meant is the readme can point to the code without polluting the code itself)

@@johanngambolputty5351 it is in many ways similar to jupyter notebooks. However you can also run r code directly in the markdown sections. When you publish to html or pdf or whatever, the r code in the markdown will simply render as the r output. So if the data changes or updates you simply re-publish and the data will update. I’m not sure if that’s the sort of thing you were talking about but for consideration.

Corne v3! Keyboard video is in the works, stay tuned...

Doom-monokai-pro 😎

nice, it's a Corne v3: shop.beekeeb.com/product/pre-soldered-crkbd-v3-mx-corne-keyboard/

thanks, it's a Corne v3 - can highly recommend them. I got mine from beekeeb - shop.beekeeb.com/product/pre-soldered-crkbd-v3-mx-corne-keyboard/

@@codetothemoon Coooool, Thx!

theme is doom-monokai-pro, didn't really change anything other than that (and make the font size bigger)

it is! got it from beekeeb.com, tell Leo that Code to the Moon sent you! shop.beekeeb.com/product/pre-soldered-crkbd-v3-choc-corne-keyboard-low-profile/

omg thanks for pointing this out, that was copied and pasted from previous videos. This keyboard is a Corne v3

keyboard is a Corne v3

It's a Corne rev 3 - I actually did a whole video on various keyboards here kzfaq.info/get/bejne/prFkZLCjmbHIlGQ.html

shop.beekeeb.com/product/pre-soldered-crkbd-v3-choc-corne-keyboard-low-profile/ 😎 tell them code to the moon sent you!

I definitely don't have superhuman typing accuracy - for this video I think I edited out the parts where I made mistakes. that word could have very well been one of them 😎

Isn't that a corne?

@@azzamsya sorry, what you mean?

Thanks! What country do you hail from?

I don't mind posting them, but I'm really not doing anything special - the only non-default things that are relevant to this video are that I'm using the doom-monokai-pro theme, and I've set my org-roam home directory to ~/org-roam

I think so. I haven't tried it but I think to turn off evil mode you just need to call the 'evil-mode' function - ie do M-x and then select "evil-mode"

@@codetothemoon thanks where can I find your config?

github.com/MoonKraken/dotfiles/tree/master/.doom.d

good question. When looked at without the rich plugin ecosystem that Obsidian has, I'd say org mode / emacs is the clear winner. But Obsidian plugins like Dataview and Metadata-menu are enormously game changing, and org-roam kind of has analogs to them but they aren't nearly as good. The interesting thing is that there seems to be pretty good support in emacs for working with Obsidian vaults, so I'm currently looking into potentially working in an Obsidian vault instead of an org-roam "vault". What would be amazing is to continue working with org files, but just using Obsidian instead of org-roam. I saw this thing but haven't tried it yet github.com/ryanpcmcquen/obsidian-org-mode

thank you! Yeah it seems like there are a few attempts (neorg?) but nothing that really feels suitable quite yet.

Because it’s not possible to do it

Monaco