The sounds in NI and even Maschine are top tier! No match

In terms of workflow Maschine is light years ahead of Akai.

I use my maschine as a vst in ableton. And it’s a beast. I can just drag and drop my patterns in ableton or drag from ableton back into machine. Maschine song mode is wacky but in ableton song view Brahh u need to unretire

I use both. Komplete kontrol s61 and mpc live. The sounds coming out of NI are so much superior. They sound more organic and textured to me personally. Akai as a company and insound are wiping the floor with NI when it comes to user feedback and implementation. The new mpc keys looks astounding. I can't comprehend why NI is so rigid and reluctant to open things up and let the hardware breath a bit

there is something that many do not seem to understand about updates...most of the time...a lot of updates means many problems to fix and vice versa, so it is a good sign for me when the updates of a product are far apart in time and represents significant improvements

When you use Reaktor and Guitar Rig inside maschine, it opens up a whole new world. Making your own FX is a godsend.

Your right my maschine mk3 has been collecting dust since I got live 2 .

NI banned me from their forum the other day as they couldn't take constructive criticism. That alone is enough to make me want to drop the KKMK2, Maschine MK3, and Jam. Invested thousands into their ecosystem. Waited patiently for years on end for them to get it together, but wasn't going to happen. Can't even record mutes on Maschine. No PDC. No track freeze/unfreeze. No aftertouch or transport in KKMK2 when you assign it to a Maschine instance. No split/merge of patterns. Piss-poor DAW integration. No probability ala Elektron or MPC. No control voltage tools. Utterly pathetic Maschine+. Terrible rollout of updates recently in terms of sticking to release dates given to the public. Broken promises with the Jam. Kore. Bodged Massive X launch. I could go on for hours. That's without getting into durability issues (screen problems galore, had to have KKMK2 and Maschine MK3 replaced repeatedly by NI), and the worst support I've ever encountered in audio. Overpriced toys. A shadow of their former selves. No longer innovative, just resting on their laurels, and have let go of most of their worthwhile talent, but good to see their talent landed on its feet with the likes of Rhizomatic Plasmonic (chap behind Absynth) and New Sonic Arts (dude behind Kore).

Funny I sold my Maschine studio right when the Push 2 came out and I bought the Maschine mk3 last year to get back into it and I’ve done a few tracks but haven’t finished any of them in that year. Push 2 and Ableton and komplete kontrol is just the sweet spot for me. I recently started forcing myself to use maschine because it is fun but I feel you man, the song mode is just not there yet even with the updates. I hate having to think too much while I’m creating. If I get a stand alone it would be an MPC for sure

You may not rag on NI but I'll gladly do it. They were one of the most diverse companies when it came to every facet in the game but it got to a point where they decided to put all their eggs in 1 basket & neglect everything else. They had all these folks invest in hardware but let the software grow outdated and antiquated and it's not just their music production division. Their DJ software Traktor was arguably the Industry Standard at one point but then just stopped updating which allowed the competition to catch up &; eventually surpass them. Odd thing is, many a company have offered to buy it from them and take it off their hands & build it back up but turned them down. Seems as if they're content to let it wither away into obscurity. Meanwhile InMusic, who owns Akai, Denon DJ, Numark, Alesis, Rane etc are doing the complete opposite. They take the consumer's feedback into consideration, implement & update accordingly with revolutionary game changing hardware to boot.

I've always wanted one since the micro came out back then ,but i get where you're coming from cause back in the day you've always voiced issues you've had with it and what you'd like to see in future updates ,you was the only one on youtube that gave them props and critiqued them , recently I've came very close to buying one at my local store but I've opted for a new pc instead and bought an mpk mini 25 mk3 cause my axiom was acting up on the display screen ,it worked out pretty well .

" *The Sequencer* is the main difference between The Maschine & The MPC. The Maschine doesn't allow Tempo or Time Signature changes, whereas the MPC does. Therefore theoretically, you are able to do more complex sequencing with an MPC - Hands Down. "

I feel like MPC is a better playground for samples. You can get really intricate with it.

You can make a hit with both :)

I love maschine because I have the muscle memory for it and mpc software probably would be cool but only use my live2 in standalone.

Apples and oranges. It’s all about how you freak these drum machines: People putting too much on names instead of making beautiful sounding music.

I don’t know if anybody else views it this way. I look @ Native Instruments Like Apple. Closed ecosystem and a bit more work to get used to Akai is more like Windows. A more open OS and easier workflow. This is just my opinion. I do believe it comes down to just getting one that works with you and really learning it well.

I had native but I got the mpc x an I must say akai is coming hard always new upgrades

I’m in the process of switching myself. However, it’s for only one reason that you mention it’s the updates and the fact that MPC seems to cater to our culture. I completely disagree with your Ranger comment Native Instruments has made huge strides in their most recent updates in the arranger is now pretty nice if you get in there and learn it. In some cases I feel like you are speaking from an old native instrument users point of view which is OK however many things have been updated. That said I do agree that MPC allows you to Dial things in just a bit further. In reality I don’t think either one of these platforms is better than the other it simply comes down to preference as you said at the beginning of the video. Thanks for the video great perspective.

thats the only reason why i keep my mashine studio running masive and the control you have over it

All facts, put my MK3 back in the box, banished it to the closet. LIVE II is crazy, dang near replaces everything in my studio.

I got Maschine MK2 for free and as it’s a demo model, i cannot even sell it - so I hope it will help as a sampler to get ideas from gear and straight to Logic… let’s see…

That sequencer need a do over 💘 Point blank

I love how you prefaced this video. I’m subbing based on that alone.

I can understand your points. Honestly I like it still, due to the mentioned ecosystem, but if they could keep the same formfactor, with touchscreen, built in battery that lasts at least 10 hours under load, and with 1TB SSD… for their plugins and samples I’d buy it instead of Akai. That would be a true portable Maschine+. Until then, I still playing with the idea to buy an Akai MPC Live II. Best of both worlds. :)

I got rid of mine because I never actually finish beats start to finish with it. The workflow for laying out a beat is too rigid and complicated. God forbid you want to add a transition sound. The amount of work required is mad annoying. I went to ableton with a midi controller and now I finish all my beats and the possibilities feel endless.

ALL he said was 100% true. I championed for maschine almost from the start. I’ve actually owned about 3 different maschines through the years. But the lack of ‘easy of use’ for some of the most simplest features/unappealing updates and no mp3 support STILL, really killed it for me. I grab an MPC studio and found it did everything I wanted to do in the most simple streamline way. And I’ve never even use a MPC back in the day. So when the prices on the ‘X’ finally came down I had to jump on it. I still use kontakt and One or two of their other plugins which made me buy an S49. Otherwise I pretty much moved on from native instruments. It’s has been difficult trying to sell all this old native instrument stuff. But I’m much happier now more then ever!!!

Mpc is a beast you can transpose every bar effortlessly if you wanted . The beat swich is Krazy and the vintage compressor ahhhh the compressors baby 😮

Seriously, as much as things change, all the tricks and ways of composing were already done with more primitive equipment, yes, with things like a Yamaha Motif ES 8 (sampler) and things like that, and I think that you don't need a lot of technology to make music so simple and basic.

woo the studio one and the rest didn't need what mpc trying to do and i love the mpc x all native missing is to be able to do is record like a daw

Maschine controller is awesome as a controller for Bitwig thanks to DrivenbyMoss's maschine script.

I'm 3 months in with the maschine and your absolutely right about the sequencer. I hate it I just want a regular song layout .. the ideas thing ain't it .. I love NI sounds though

Just purchased Maschine+ Vapor Gray after seeing this video. Thanks 🤗

I've been a long-time MPC user since the 2000xl, but as a Reason user, I got frustrated with their lack of sequencer editing updates like everyone else. I went from Reason to the MPC Reinassance (before the updated daw), Native Instruments, Studio One, etc. I didn't realize how much I needed a stand-alone unit until I got the MPC One. The MPC One is on another level for my workflow and creativity personally. You don't have to think about too much, just seamless creation. I tried using NI software/hardware integration, and it's not just for me.

Took me some time to learn song arrangements and how to tweak the samples but after I figure it out it wasn’t soo bad. Now my issue is the updates, seems like Everytime a new processors comes out or a computer operating system comes out they have to play catch up and you have to wait. I always upgrade right away so unfortunately I can’t even use the full featers of komplete 13 because of it and that sucks!

bought the mk3 3 years ago and haven’t made any beats yet. I’ve heard it as as vst on my DAW but hate the patterns and scenes and all that crap

Great review Man!! I really enjoyed your flow and kind straight talking. I am with you, I have a Mk3 but I just can't get into the workflow. The NI sounds are sooooooo good, that keeps me going. I think though, like you say, I just need to get the muscle memory. So many people love the Mk3. I want to get to a point that I can make a song live, in front of a crowd with me and a couple of others, say keys, guitar/bass and vox. Then I can share with a crowd how much fun it is making beats these days

left maschine many years ago akia caught up with NI and ran laps around them imo

I agree that these days there is no ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL as far as music producing tools and TECH is concerned. We need to get skilled at what we use and how we use it. I started with Roland cause it was cheaper at the time then migrated to AKAI then the gear I wanted was out of my range $1000 per device at any one time. I will say that I like the Idea of being able to use the gear without a computer so stand alone device are coming along but need larger storage and faster processing which will raise the price a bit. Thanks

Maschine is like having a smoker it does what it does. Akai is like a grill where it does more than one thing. You have more options when grilling. The food will be good but it’s all on what you have a taste for

Are the pads on the MPC any softer? The pads on the Maschine feel like i'm hitting off of HARD rubber plates... it'd be nice if they were just a bit more absorptive. I almost feel like we're about to get in a fight.

The AKAI MPC live II is the better deal IMP, as compared to the Maschine +, since it is a TRUE standalone box since it has a battery and a HDD slot.

Man, the sequencer needs to be changed. And I feel the time stretch can be a headache

Im a Reason Guy lol but i dabble in Akai Professional

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At the end of the day, every company has their ups and downs in a competitive market. He said it himself.. When Maschine first came out, It was putting Akai in a bad spot with all of the functionality etc etc. It took Akai years to get their tech together and then came out with stronger offerings that were up to snuff with Maschine, changing it to "which workflow you like better". Just recently they made some updates that have probably put NI on their toes again.. and now NI will work on things from their end to up the ante again. Given the recent mergers/partnerships formed with companies like Izotope and others, we could see some mind blowing stuff from NI soon.

Great video Bro, Sounds like your real beef is with the Maschine Software not the MK3. I use my MK3 with Studio One, Ableton, and MPC2. As a controller it's awesome.

I once bought the Maschine somewhere in 2011. Within 3 week I kicked it out and went back to my Standalone MPC. From there I went to the controller Ren. And the rest is history with the X.

I was very big on Maschine and they were ahead of there time but Akai really listened to their consumer base and dominated. NI developers downsized and did a mass layoff and they sort of did a time delay and got stuck there. I left Maschine and I am not a fan of Akai. I went to Ableton and never went back. I love creative flexibility, to be able to create without limitations can push you to something new that no one has ever done.

Can't you just simply put it into MIDI Mode, like all Native Instruments devices, and program it to do pretty much anything MIDI related?

You can arrange easily with maschine. I do all kinds of different arranging.

And it seems like the NI team will be busy updating to vst3 for the next while, so don't expect many new features anytime soon.

Still a great usage of workflow if you know how to take advantage , you can do so much with vsts or your own chops compared to old school Akai machines scrolling scrolling scrolling ..machine you can lay down the songs base and then make sounds / tracks into audio and transfer to DAW of ur choice otherwise people just making "like instrumentals" ..Make Your Own Sounds if you make music

Kit maker cures all the sound issues. Having a Mpc and can use native instruments kits makes it a wrap 💯

thx for sharing your thoughts and insights brotha. can i get some more info on the headset mic you used in this video? sounds clean!!

Yeah, he's on to something. NI used to be the hottest thing on the block. Lately they've made a lot of decisions that I just don't understand. Pioneer has been making weird decisions as well.

Kindly donate your Maschine to me... I still aint over them... lol...

I want a mpc just to learn it

You cant compare MK3 to MPC ONE a better comparision is Machine Plus to MPC ONE and with the price drop its a way better machine .

i do agree i am fightin tooth n nail with 2 difrant maschine models in last 10 years .. but not able to use in my productions ,,also their hardware buttons go bad and their lifes too short so i stopped wrkin on maschine also it has library folder location issue where all my kits hav disappeared ..

I started yawning after 3 min and switched off a bad workman blames his tools.

4:20 I don’t understand how sequencing on Maschine is so hard for people. From a old school (MPC1200) MPC user, using maschine feels like cheating, IMHO.

As for Machine VS MPC I'd choose MPC however I'm a Reason User and dont use much else.

Nah i feel you. Sometimes its just is what it is. Fl studio is the best daw hands down. When it comes to be innovative. It really changed the game aint no pride its just facts

I own both MPC one and Mashine MK2. The MPC one has everything you need out of the box, the Maschine requires a lot of money to be spent on plugins, it doesent do enough with just the basic software. That said the plug in synths on maschine blow the MPC ones out of the water

Happy birthday

I love Maschine but I've had too many issues with crashing. Digital lately for me has been getting in the way so much im thinking of just doing all acapella work and putting a good mix on it.

Ableton is #1 when it comes to song arrangement. Maschine is #2. The ideas view made it similar to Ableton.

What camera do you use to record your videos Dilio?

Thinking of switching to mpc 61. But, comparing it to a korg nautilus, mpc 61 seems inferior for the price point.

The Maschine is a *'Dongle Dinosaur'* 🦖

NI prioritise sound packs lol

If you getting rid of mk3 I'd take it off ya hands lol I have the mikro

IDK BRO Maschine is top tier for me sounds like the problem for you is your work flow. Set you some templates if you feel like its taking you too long to get into it. Ive tried ableton and studio one 6 and others DAWS and they look nice as hell but they dont even compare to Maschine in Sound Quality or work flow

Had a similar experience, tried the Maschine and it is very cool. I can see that if enough time was spent practicing it could be really powerful. But found it too limiting and having to relearn a completely new DAW ecosystem, was frustrating. Recording and sequenceing Did not seem intuitive at all.

I like native instrument products. Sure they could be modded via software edits though through revisionment. They could allow for user level editing in ways that things should be. One thing though, music landscaping is for being creative, inventive, a canvas and the paint and the brush and the artist. I study physics, sociology, criminology, and music. Please be safe and encourage safety in your audience. Concert crushes never really cause the victims to go off to a happyland in the sky, even if you want to smile and sing lyingly to yourself and to other people about such fantasy frameworks of thought. I am a musician that actually moved 4 hours away from a bone breakingly violent older sibling. He and his friends are manipulative cognitively dissonant noncritical thinkers, as they downplay the suffering of others ini 57 different ways. They treat victims of abuse cases as if merely a form of acceptable collateral damage to them, so this is what motivated me to make sure there was a certain amount of physical safe social distancing going on between them and myself, by a 4 hour drive. I didnt have to mention that to you and your readers, however, the world's problematic ways are being accentuated by musicians who lack the fortitude to admit that they are as stockholm syndrome themed for the hollywood factor of bronze age fiction based mythology. Putin's sociopathic murder sprees never produce happy happy afterlives in the sky, even if you say that it does repeatedly in a chorus using plenty of majors. Please be safe, please be creative, please be protective of those who cannot so easily protect themselves, they only live just once.

I bought Maschine from the very first version and when it first came out it was different and amazing. The workflow was so good I could pump out songs in minutes. I even bought the studio day one when that came out. Imo once Maschine 2.x came out NIs priorities changes with Maschine. They were more concerned with selling sound packs and adding needed features into the software. They do trickle in features but sometimes it’s too little to late. I moved to the MPC Live about 4 years ago and the difference between version 2.2 and the recent 2.11 is night and day. I don’t even touch Maschine anymore for anything other than opening old projects and I do that on the computer. My studio is gathering dust somewhere.

I don't like touch screen. I like to create and vibe with my eyes closed.

I gotta be honest Maschine needs to step they shit up they need to listen to the community and improve the platform we need up dates theirs simple things in the daw we should be able to do and we can I mean we can’t even drop a MP3 into the daw and he’s right the sequencer is convoluted to me FL has the best sequencer and ever daw should follow suit it’s so easy to arrange… so as a MK3 user they gotta step it up

Will you teach me how too make beats with the MPC Live 2

I am feeling the same way bro. Native needs to move. The plus could be better. I love the sequencer and arranger though.

The thing is NI didn't had any history, so they could create Maschine from a very new fresh eye. And they did it first, so they were well ahead of the curve. Akai did have a 20+ years history, with a lot of customers that know their MPC fully, to use them even with closed eyes. So Akai had to work around and make sure they keep a similar workflow. And it was penalising them for innovations and therefore they had to go step by step and play catch up with Maschine. But since Akai is a huge company with a lot of knowledge, they did work very hard. And couple of versions later, they now have a very robust system, that not only caught up with NI, but can also finally have their own innovations and specificities. And it's NI that is struggling a little bit because we now their big next step (full audio recording) is a big step and they probably can't make it very easily. They might also need to proceed step by step here. So in the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you're using NI Maschine, Akai MPC or even Ableton Push 2, etc... just use what the hell you like and what works best for you and your workflow. That's all that matters.... same with the DAW: Logic, Cubase, Protools, FL Studio, Ableton, Studio One, Reaper, you name it... just use what you like and works for you. There's no bad choice and anyone can make world wide platinum hits on any platform of your choice. I messed with MPC in the past and I used Maschine version 1. And now I like Maschine environment better... but I really hope they would come with a 8x8 pads Maschine and with an update to have full audio recording... So until then, I will just not buy anything and just wait. I can already do plenty with my old rig on my new laptop... oh yeah, Mac, PC, same thing, just use whatever you like best. Both could be great. What works for one person might not work for someone else... it's not a big deal to not use the exact same rig of your favorite artist/producer.

Bruh why cuz? Why you gon turn yo back on the community 😭

Great video I would like to see a video on your workflow and process using maschine. It'd always good to see how other experience producers chose their sounds and make it work with their style.

I feel native instruments suffer them samething korg suffers from. Having too many products. Can't possibly be every where all the time. Akai do not have as many products allowing them to focus and update products

Alot of people don't understand that just before NI released + they got alot of funding which Im guessing they spent on that weird yter meet up where they all stayed in caravans inside? Then they got partly brought out...... Only the DJs picked it up as they were worried about how Traktor would be supported in the future. I don't trust them to update + either.

Hi, you sound like someone more into daw-like environments which is why I get from my mpc one touch screen. I never used machine but have considered trying it because I'm looking for a more tactile feel. the machine is just more "groove-box based". it really don't look like a "song mode machine" at all. machine is more for "live" performances which that is what I;m looking for.

Mine is collecting dust in the closet

As a Logic Pro X user I may say that my MK3 is just to embellish my desk!! Nothing else...

Bro, your so correct, the sequencer is rated very low. Still no performance recording mode, no track mute automation. And it’s like there doing this on purpose, which is sad.

same thing happened to me man..

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Why people don't understand its is a marketing. Machine is a way for NI to sell expansion. Every month a new expansion pop. Machine will stay the same in 10 years

I always heard that the song mode is pretty bad and that the workflow, in general, is so much harder to work with on the MPC??

One thing about Music Equipment is that build quality is somewhere between " Conspiracy" i used almost every DAW and tried many HW instruments and MIDI controllers and as an Artist i will be Honest, as long you have motivation and you have work flow that's translate inspiration to Music then you are OK . MK3 is amazing but same can be said for any AKAI but then there are many downgrades and Mouse is most important and best music tool , Maschine MK3 is amazing Analogue Human input device maybe the best but always it's up to you. Muscle Memory? Am i so smart so i know hoe to use everything even mobile phones to make music and i started with PS1 MTV Music Generator then PS2 so after i migrate to PC i understood how it's works and it's so similar from DAW to another or MIDI controllers to HW synths everything is passing that's why make Music and don't be that one guy who doesn't know what he wants to talk about so he is asking for next subject to make his YT history while he is sitting in front of expensive studio gear . Life is Beautiful and music producers were selling equipment and buying Computers and software, looking for best MIDI controller but there is no such product that is resistant to dust, hard and fast moving parts, everything is half solution that is working if you like making music and that's that simple. Life is Beautiful

ok..

Interesting bcuz I'm want to buy entry level into one of these platforms and may choose Machine simply bcuz Komplete Kontrol makes browsing so easy and I'm mad Akai is letting they're similar VIP software collect dust. Also I still can't wrap my head around Akai software maybe it's different in standalone?

Wow. Something must have gone very wrong in his life 🙂

Let’s make this simple 👉🏿 Native Instruments doesn’t support their children (Products) 🧬 and are subject to abandonment into the "Projects” to fend for them selves🥶……… Akai makes a great step dad and can save yourself time and money.

I got the MPC One, Live II and the X. I was thinking about a maschine when it first came out it was the cheaper alternative to a MPC...the only thing is I wanted standalone and not a old MPC where I gotta treat it like a old car and keep up with everything mantience wise. Maschine didn't offer that. When the Renaissance dropped they did the same thing as maschine...skipped that whole ordeal. When you looked on KZfaq everybody had a Maschine...but I still was not feeling the controller thing. My personal issues with controllers is I lose interest in them too quickly because my mouse game is A1 lol it's more work unless it's only about capturing a feel. Too easy for me to mouse it in. I hate mousing then reaching then going back to the mouse again. If I'm going to reach that's all I want to do and vise versa. When the MPC touch came out I was like seems much simpler but the touch screen makes up for lack of hardware in a way. MPC live came out I'm like cool but why? The touch was smaller take with you size. When the live II and the X came out I was sold like oh you could do both standalone and controller? Just bounce vsts down or autosample them and work in standalone after? Built in speaker? Just about to get one of them then the MPC One dropped and im like $699 ain't bad especially compared to older MPC's vs the functionality you get. Shiii save me some mone. So got that...it was so hard to put a whole beat together...but when I figured it out I was good. Few months down the line Machine+ comes out the features sounded nice but I already bought into Akai and kind of wanted the X like more MPC. The workflow is nuts because almost everything has a button or the touchscreen will make it possible. Made it happen. I got a very good deal, basically box cuttered the tape and closed the box back up lol. So even after that few months go by and I wanted to make beats around other places and the X is like beautiful in person lol I just wanted that to stay in one place only so nothing unexpected happens. Got the live II. That ish is perfect for just getting right into it. Have it charged already don't bring cables or nothing just bang out beats. Battery life is more than you'd expect with all that going on. I use my live II more than my X. The whole point to all this is I bought the same freaking thing 3 times over again despite the I/0 diffences. Still the same power and OS.