Why I Swapped My Hydrogen Boiler for a Heat Pump

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Жыл бұрын

Why would we ditch a perfectly working Hydrogen Fuel cell? In this video, Adam explains the reason he is moving to a heat pump as he and 7 of the countries best Heat Geek Elites race against the clock to swap out the hydrogen fuel cell and all the household radiators in JUST ONE DAY!
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@NewarkCylinders
@NewarkCylinders Жыл бұрын
Thanks Adam, Simon and the rest of the Heat Geek Team, for bringing your hot water cylinder design to us and selecting our bespoke specification as the one which met all of the project’s requirements. So next time *you* encounter a project which may require a bespoke cylinder or buffer vessel, we'd always appreciate the opportunity to explore the options with you.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
To be clear, we paid full price for this newark cylinder. There was no promotion.
@HaggleLad
@HaggleLad 8 ай бұрын
Is there any reason I shouldn't just ask Newark to build me the exact same cylinder as yours to go with the Vaillant Arotherm Plus I'm planning to install?
@tuntona5133
@tuntona5133 Жыл бұрын
A shout out to Terry ,fantastic engineer who I have dealt with over the last 12 years .Knows his stuff and overall a great guy !
@stevenbarton2398
@stevenbarton2398 Жыл бұрын
Mark installed my heat pump last October and he made a superb job and I am really impressed with the performance of the heat pump with a current COP of 4.2
@hans.vbaalen
@hans.vbaalen Жыл бұрын
As an owner of a heatpump on a flat roof, I can confirm, it fine these days. Can hear it in the utility underneath, but only when it's on the hot water cycle..
@DanEVSolar7
@DanEVSolar7 Жыл бұрын
Great vid. I’m on the same path at the moment in my home although started with solar and battery and now have just bought an EV. Heat pump is on the list at some point, but my 4 year old boiler is still working fine and we don’t use a great deal of gas with it being a new house. Keep up the good work!
@stephengentle2815
@stephengentle2815 Жыл бұрын
Hydrogen will definitely be a big thing in industry (like steelmaking), but yeah, it’s not going to be a thing in residential or commercial. Here in Australia the gas industry is still trying to push it as a last ditch effort to maintain some relevance and eek some money out of stranded assets, but it’s not going to happen. Those Vallient unit looks really nice. I have a 5kW Sanden for domestic hot water but I’d consider upgrading to one of those in a few years if I put in hydronic underfloor heating (pretty rare here) when I hopefully do an extension.
@stefan2030
@stefan2030 Жыл бұрын
Loved to see this conversion, great job :) It is interesting to watch this from a German's perspective. My house is from 1968 and the population generally is of the opinion that houses (brick and mortar , roof insulated + big radiators and type 22 radiators) is generally not capable of using a heat pump. Nice to see that others are doing what my plumber says is impossible 👍
@smartboilercompany1983
@smartboilercompany1983 Жыл бұрын
Class, well done all involved 👏👏
@johntisbury
@johntisbury Жыл бұрын
Mark is due to fit our heat pump next week! Very excited. Another Heat Geek assured installation. Hopefully it won't be as chaotic with as many engineers onsite. 😜
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Unless your trying to do it in 1 day also, you'll be fine 🙂
@johntisbury
@johntisbury Жыл бұрын
@@HeatGeek Mark has sensible planned it over a number of days!
@jrisner6535
@jrisner6535 Жыл бұрын
Glad you're being clear about hydrogen, couldn't agree more
@fraserhoehle2256
@fraserhoehle2256 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video mate
@stephengilman6247
@stephengilman6247 Жыл бұрын
Nice to see Liam helping out..........Cant wait to see how you configure the system given you will have cheap electric time slots which may conflict with efficiency? please keep us updated👍
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Cheap time slots are mainly for my battery, not my heat pump 😉
@stephengilman6247
@stephengilman6247 Жыл бұрын
Not gone a full winter yet but very happy with my heat pump and solar set up just need to figure out how to get the heat pump to stay at 35degs otherwise it drains the battery to quickly (will hopefully sort with Liam before winter 🤞) As you say low and slow
@paulcooper8293
@paulcooper8293 Жыл бұрын
As per usual, brilliant video explaining all that can be done with a heat pump. Its a shame that the boiler manufacturers and the government are still hyping on about heating homes with hydrogen instead of sorting out the electrical grid for electric heating.
@iareid8255
@iareid8255 Жыл бұрын
Paul, do you have any concept of what is required? Increased generation capacity, increased transmission line capacity, increased local area network capacity for a heating system that will just be used for a couple of months a year at high output. This means that for much more of the year there will be underutilised expensive equipment lying idle. The full implications of this heat pump mandate has not been thought out by the government.
@paulcooper8293
@paulcooper8293 Жыл бұрын
@@iareid8255 its all about having a smart grid not how much power all at once, Germany is building the infrastructure to do this and its been happening for five years, whereas the UK hasn't even started yet.
@iareid8255
@iareid8255 Жыл бұрын
Paul, smart grids , sounds good but in reality tissue paper over severe fissures. Have you seen the wind contribution to the U.K. grid for the last two months? Very low, there is insufficient demand that can be removed to compensate. Solar has been strong but of course it's average over the main demand period is small.
@pumpkinhead456
@pumpkinhead456 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed that one! I've got the car, panels and battery, Vaillant arotherm plus being installed next month - on a large Victorian detached in Scotland too, who would believe it!
@jakeoliver3966
@jakeoliver3966 Жыл бұрын
Amazing videos gents! 🔥
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Жыл бұрын
So much good in the 1st 3 mins of this video... the 90% of homes point being SPOT ON!
@nobotshere8364
@nobotshere8364 Жыл бұрын
I'm really interested to see how this plays out for you. We installed solar 2 years ago with batteries, then last year a mixergy tank and we haven't looked back. It took a fair bit of convincing the wife to do the above but it would be fair to say with the prices for energy as they are she's now on board. I want a heat pump but it seems to be a minefield of information. I've had two visits from approved installers with one saying yes and one saying don't bother. 🤷
@pingu99991
@pingu99991 Жыл бұрын
I've just had a 9.5kw Fujitsu air to air system installed (replacing storage heaters in my bungalow) and I'm really surprised how quiet it is. DHW is supplied through a stiebel eltron dce-x 10/12 instant water heater to get rid of the old immersion heater. We're averaging less than 1kwh of electricity on hot water a day. Looking forward to seeing how the AC handles winter in heating mode.
@tonymaloan
@tonymaloan 8 ай бұрын
interesting, had this idea a while back but never went through with it, having 10kw solar has allowed electric heaters but no battery yet so tend to turn them off when daylight/solar ends.
@glightsolutions
@glightsolutions Жыл бұрын
Fair play for putting in big old school rads with large water volume and thermal mass. I would have cried if I saw Alu Rads. Great video
@richardlonsdale
@richardlonsdale Жыл бұрын
Is there anything special about those column radiators - what brand/model are they?
@latin105fm
@latin105fm Жыл бұрын
Great video Adam 👍🏼
@remcovantriest4357
@remcovantriest4357 Жыл бұрын
Looking good mate a big hug from us all. Liked the fact we could see all the kids and Jo in the video. Men they are growing quickly ❤❤
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Yo!!! Far too quick very sad 😔.. hope you and the family are well!!?
@remcovantriest4357
@remcovantriest4357 Жыл бұрын
​@@HeatGeekWe are all doing well on this end 🤙Would be nice we could meet up in the UK sometime soon.
@JD12ish
@JD12ish Жыл бұрын
8:00 Not enough cylinder talk IMO. More please 🤓
@joncoke8208
@joncoke8208 Жыл бұрын
Amazing video, do you do your courses in person or only online as i struggle with online learning? Also what are the installation costs and running costs, compared to a gas boiler, thankyou
@Lewis_Standing
@Lewis_Standing Жыл бұрын
Twins! And you managed to grow your business as well as you have!? Legend Well done you & Jo!
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Hahaha that's amazing to notice! Yes and they have a sister only 1.5 years older too. I cannot describe the last 7 years of my life!
@Lewis_Standing
@Lewis_Standing Жыл бұрын
@@HeatGeek "challenging" I imagine
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
@@Lewis_Standing I will die relatively early
@emameyer
@emameyer Жыл бұрын
question on the ASHP + water tank. did you install a buffer tank? if not why? thanks
@stevecharles8202
@stevecharles8202 4 ай бұрын
Hi Adam, thanks for all the amazing content and everything you have contributed through the heatgeek organisation!... I am now thinking more towards ashp as part of an ongoing extension - however, the most suitable place looks like a flat roof directly above garage/plant room. The other option is a fairly narrow passageway which could be an issue with air flow. Would you recommend the roof option for a 10kw pump and have any further thoughts on the potential airflow issues in narrow passageways - your video on this seemed to suggest it may not be that much of an impact on performance? Thanks again 👍
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek 4 ай бұрын
Can you wall hang it above the flat roof? If the narrow walkway has good airflow and meets manufacturer clearances it won’t be a problem. Mines in a flat roof and can hear it when at -2 or below but fine above that!
@stevecharles8202
@stevecharles8202 4 ай бұрын
@@HeatGeek thanks - no option to hang above flat roof as the roof is pitched in this area. Tbh, I am prioritising shorter / easier pipe runs with roof option but perhaps that's a false economy. I could put it in front of the garage alongside boundary but would need to route pipework and wiring under ground 🤔
@myatix1
@myatix1 Жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for sharing! QUESTION: It seems like Vaillant is selling out of their aerotherm models is there any news of a new model being released soon? Also could you share a few more details about the cylinder… I live in Denmark and am planning on installing a Vaillant aerotherm 7kw and an very curious about the design of the cylinder and double coil
@myatix1
@myatix1 10 ай бұрын
Will you be doing another video on the cylinder? I am curious about how you have piped the cylinder? Are the 2 coils coming off another 28mm or are you reducing off a larger curcuit?
@johnfreshwater3790
@johnfreshwater3790 7 ай бұрын
Hi Adam. Happy new year and thanks for all the tips. One question I do have is do you have a spec for the rads you used as all the triple column ones I look at appear to be less output than the same size k2. If you have a link that would be great. And thanks again
@MikeHarEV
@MikeHarEV Жыл бұрын
I'd love to have that level of noise. My boiler is in the loft and is well loud in our bedroom in the winter.
@petersmith2650
@petersmith2650 Жыл бұрын
What rads are these? Apologies if this has been answered already! Also, is high volume water content good or bad for efficiency when running a heat pump?
@JD12ish
@JD12ish Жыл бұрын
I know this isn't the main focus of you channel but since it's mentioned in this video; could you make an episode about photovoltaics and especially home batteries since there's already enough info on standalone PV but not as much about the sensibility of a home battery. Can a battery keep up with the demands of a massive consumer such as a heat pump? How much current does a heat pump draw initially and during steady operation? My heat pump claims to be capable of a "soft start" (addon feature) - would this make sense in conjunction with a home battery? 🔋 Many thanks for the videos!
@johnsomerville4113
@johnsomerville4113 Жыл бұрын
Great video. If you're adding a super high CoP hot water system and plan a battery then why the Eddie heating the hot water directly with electricity? Surely you can charge the battery off the solar and then heat the hot water via the heat pump at >>100% efficiency.
@neiladdison8563
@neiladdison8563 9 ай бұрын
Any chance of a link to the radiators you have gone with? they look great.
@timiav8
@timiav8 Жыл бұрын
Awesome BBQ Adam! 👍
@UFZ7482
@UFZ7482 11 ай бұрын
Love the hot water cylinder, sorry to everyone else. Are plans available? What is the coil area of your double coil, is it around 3m^2?
@jacko101
@jacko101 Жыл бұрын
Nice video! Have you got a link to the new radiators you used? I thought those cast iron radiators didn't have a good heat output rating, if they do I'd get some too.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
I don't know why everyone seems to think this its strange. But they ALL absolutely do yes. They are from best heating.. I think best heating are great!
@janwillem6953
@janwillem6953 2 ай бұрын
Very interested how you are getting on with the garage roof placement. Anything noteworthy in the last year of use?
@ram64man
@ram64man Жыл бұрын
Have you sold the hydrogen boiler, if not how much space does it take up?
@richardgreendev
@richardgreendev Жыл бұрын
@HeatGeek - you've said you're going to install an electric battery to store your excess energy from the solar panels - could you actually use your shiny new boiler as a "heat battery" by overheating the water using that excess electricity?
@bennheatley
@bennheatley Жыл бұрын
Great to see Tommy on your crack team! He installed our top notch 400%+ HP last year and did a superb job. Where you from? "Raaan cowna" 😂😂 12:25
@brianglobe1
@brianglobe1 Жыл бұрын
Very good job wish I had this a few weeks ago could have saved me a drive😂
@joeywar4976
@joeywar4976 Жыл бұрын
How well would a heating pump work in a single pipe heating system ?
@IIIIIIPETEIIIIII
@IIIIIIPETEIIIIII 6 ай бұрын
Nice job! I counted 8 experts doing the installation. What were the costs of materials and labour? I am about to replace my entire system and would appreciate one of your experts quoting me for a heat pump. I’m in the Ipswich area.
@ck008uk
@ck008uk Жыл бұрын
I always wonder if it is possible to install the fan unit thing in the front of the house facing the road. The reason is that (in theory) that can absorb the heat released by the vehicles passing by. Don't know if that logic makes sense...or councils don't allow it etc.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
It can be installed at front. Above ground floor needs planning though. It will not absorb heat from passing traffic. The air at the front of your house is the same temp as the back of your house
@janwillem6953
@janwillem6953 2 ай бұрын
What the name of the lift to get the HP up there?
@aster7693
@aster7693 11 ай бұрын
The hot water cylinder looks well designed…..maybe you should partner with them to release it as a heat geek branded/certified cylinder?
@nealm1814
@nealm1814 Жыл бұрын
This guy is the Colin Furze of heating 😉
@BristolHeatPumps
@BristolHeatPumps Жыл бұрын
Great video Adam and the team :) Whats is Marks A/S/L by the way?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
😂 I'll find out and get straight back to you!
@JemFreiesleben
@JemFreiesleben Жыл бұрын
Thoughts on the Vaillant Unitower, vs a cylinder on a new installation? Should the unitower make installs quicker/cheaper for the majority? Not much info online - outside of marketing? On a house with literally no existing heating - is there an advantage to one option or the other?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Unitower is quicker to install.. the money saved on time is spent on the unitower though.
@JemFreiesleben
@JemFreiesleben Жыл бұрын
@@HeatGeek Fair comment. I had wondered if it was too generic a solution to be well suited to all properties - more designed to be optimum for an 'average', but again no real documentation on this.
@gerardfry4876
@gerardfry4876 Жыл бұрын
did you not require volumiser or a buffer at all to increase the system volume?
@UrbanPlumbers
@UrbanPlumbers Жыл бұрын
90% of installations don't need them, and they are installed for no good reason most of the time.
@twelvebears1971
@twelvebears1971 Жыл бұрын
One of the things that concerns me, is the degree to which the hydrogen option is still being taken seriously. Last week I had some radiators swapped out (new, attractive, oversized ones put in) by a really nice, young engineer (28yrs old). He worked hard, fast and did a super tidy job. I opened the discussion by asking if he was trained or going to train in heat pumps, and he said “there’s a lot of focus in the industry on hydrogen so going to see where things go over the next 5 years”. This is the problem. This wasn’t some old engineer who can hardly use a smart phone and doesn’t want to learn new things and have to do heat calculations, this was a guy the same age as my son who is listening to and being influenced by his peers, and in this case probably his own Dad who IS almost retired and in the same industry.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
We'll get em!
@derekclark7545
@derekclark7545 Жыл бұрын
Stop type casting, I have just retired although still doing one day a week servicing my customer's boilers, I have had smart phone's from the days when it was a brick fixed in my van, I fitted Condensing boilers 3 years before you had to, and I've been fitting weather comp systems on nearly every Glow worm, Vaillant install for the last 14 years. What your not understanding is this problem is the 'sheep mentality' of the industry where all must fit a Bosch Wor----- thing or you're useless and do it in a day and don't bother commissioning it, and leave the old controls in use. That's a lot of gas engineers who just WTF attitude, and nothing to do with age.
@pipedreamtv9697
@pipedreamtv9697 Жыл бұрын
@@derekclark7545 and I bet you wouldn't have fitted that master bedroom rad, hacked the skirting out, jammed it under the windowsill, stood back and said that looks good!!! What a f***ing bodge.
@lukeclifton4392
@lukeclifton4392 Жыл бұрын
This is very interesting! When hydrogen first becomes the mainstream fuel source, for automotive applications (because EV can’t scale up for heavy equipment in our lifetime)… the infrastructure for hydrogen will become abundant!! From there hydrogen can be effectively and efficiently distributed across existing gas networks!🤷‍♂️ Curious question, those “H2 ready” stickers you see on units… are they on Japanese made products??
@robharrison6918
@robharrison6918 Жыл бұрын
The transition between technologies always stirs arguments. Well designed systems will be efficient but you have to get the confidence of the end user first. The misnomer is wor….b… they aren’t even on the playing field when it comes to controlling their own kit.
@ua420
@ua420 Жыл бұрын
What kind of radiator is that 600mm one? It look like cast iron ones we had in soviet days here in Ukraine.
@LR52VUU
@LR52VUU 12 күн бұрын
Are the radiators normal cast iron radiators? Could you please share the manufacture of the radiators so that we can compare the specs with standard radiators? Would this heat pump system work with UFH on the ground floor and cast iron radiators on the upper floors?
@Ulricdabe
@Ulricdabe 4 ай бұрын
Hi, super channel! I'm comparing your performance and that of Jones online on Heatpumpmonitor. I notice that yours cycles quite a lot whereas the other one doesn't. Could this one be a bit too powerful and forcing it to stop because it's at its minimum?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek 4 ай бұрын
There’s lots in that specific example. Too much for here
@Umski
@Umski Жыл бұрын
First time I’ve come across a fuel cell CHP boiler but I was puzzled when you referred to it as a hydrogen boiler - it’s a bit of a misnomer really that was maybe to give brownie points to hydrogen even though it still uses gas albeit more efficiently- well done for admitting it is a waste of time even at great expense - the public should not be duped by lobbying from those with vested interests in hydrogen clinging on to the hope that gas can be replaced by something similar…
@chestercopperpot3793
@chestercopperpot3793 Жыл бұрын
Mark with the "ASL?" LOL.
@luckystrike656
@luckystrike656 7 ай бұрын
With my 350m3 of heated space (130sq meters) I use between 5-7m3 of gas daily. (hot water included) Heating 24/7 at 22° The Thermostat is on a heating curve of 0.7 and the water inside the radiators is from 36-40 Outside temperature between -2C° to+5° The Vaillant boiler is oversized (24kw I think) so it doesn't modulate low enough. Would go for a heat pump but just to lower emissions.
@radfoo
@radfoo Жыл бұрын
I have a couple of flat aress I could mount one on though inevitably any flat roof does need replacement at some point so thibk thats what would out me off rather than the noise.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
The roof is epdm not bitumen so not a problem.
@user-lf7gn4ku9n
@user-lf7gn4ku9n Ай бұрын
How come a Valiant heat pump and not a Viessmann ?
@dylanbrown5414
@dylanbrown5414 Жыл бұрын
Are big cast iron rads better for a heat pump? They are very pretty and cost a lot so I’d rather not have to change them.
@liamknowles6658
@liamknowles6658 Жыл бұрын
As long as they are correctly sized for a low enough flow temperature they are absolutely fine (Three of the radiators we fitted in this video are cast iron). The material doesn’t matter, just the radiator output.
@petersmith2650
@petersmith2650 Жыл бұрын
How does the rad volume and material (heat up time) effect system performance? Is greater volume and steel rads better or worse for efficiency? Thanks!
@liamknowles6658
@liamknowles6658 Жыл бұрын
@@petersmith2650 Heat pump manufacturers will specify a minimum system volume for the system being connected to. Radiators with high volumes will help to achieve or exceed this. A larger volume also allows the units to defrost with less impact on the system water temperature. With the control strategies that we use on heat pumps (Wether compensation, with little indoor temperature variance), the heat up time isn’t really important. Flow temperature changes will be small. On a system that is used with big indoor temperature changes, optimising controls will negate the effect of the high mass of the radiators by turning the heat source on and off based on it learned heat up and cool down times.
@JeremyCobb
@JeremyCobb Жыл бұрын
I just wish we could do this within some reasonable upfront cost. The need in our home to replace underfloor and boiler makes it way too expensive
@Irilia_neko
@Irilia_neko Жыл бұрын
What refrigerant this heatpump use ?
@dazoakley
@dazoakley Жыл бұрын
R290
@DragonXDrei
@DragonXDrei Жыл бұрын
What about going with something like ThermaSkirt and save so much space on the radiators?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
In addition to my rads? Waaay to much uplift.
@Craiggilhomephe
@Craiggilhomephe Жыл бұрын
Great video is the system all open circuit with sensocomfort controls also is there a volumiser or do the radiators have enough volume
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Nearly all systems have enough volume out the box. Especially of open loop. So these obviously do too
@Craiggilhomephe
@Craiggilhomephe Жыл бұрын
👍
@gerardfry4876
@gerardfry4876 Жыл бұрын
@@HeatGeek what about if radiaotors are shut off via trvs?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
@@gerardfry4876 then theor scips will be extremely low. Trvs should be set 1c above target wc point and the flow temp control the room temp not the trv
@gerardfry4876
@gerardfry4876 Жыл бұрын
@@HeatGeek thanks, think I understood your point, please correct if I’m mistaken. Trvs should be set higher then design temp allowing sufficient minimum circuit volume for the heat pump negating the need for an additional volumiser whislt also allowing the rads to reach the the designed room temp?
@jamatoke
@jamatoke Ай бұрын
They are digging up the road outside my house to prepare the pipes to deliver hydrogen to my house right now 👀
@Geyer128
@Geyer128 Жыл бұрын
How about plate heat exchangers for hot water?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
I think this will outperform
@grantmackinnon2197
@grantmackinnon2197 Жыл бұрын
What are the pros of parallel coils over plate heat exchangers? Mixergy and Mitsubishi have both gone for the latter in their tanks. Could you make a video on where you would opt for one vs the other or explain in more detail for the general public?
@ogfeen
@ogfeen Жыл бұрын
Does it matter if a heat pump is in the sun vs shade
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
No
@barrypoole59
@barrypoole59 Жыл бұрын
Great video but when are you going to do a video like this on a house that has a combi boiler and radiators feed via micro bore pipe
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
If there's anything a bit more interesting about it maybe.. a bit boring otherwise
@russellthomas9391
@russellthomas9391 Жыл бұрын
@@HeatGeekCould be interesting if only to show what Cop has been achieved. Could actually film it on a house by fitting the heat pump and running it before the rads and pipework are replaced so can showcase the difference in that particular house
@uksupporter8867
@uksupporter8867 Жыл бұрын
This is from a heat source calculator for a house of my age , For every sq ft of living space, you need about 30 BTU of heating output. That means, for example, that for a 1,000 sq ft home, you would require a 30,000 BTU heat pump (that’s a 2.5-ton heat pump)., so my heat source pump for my house is 60000 but with a weight of 5 tonnes, so how is that going over my roof then
@stephenzzz
@stephenzzz Жыл бұрын
Brand of radiators?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Milan tamara
@Etheoma
@Etheoma Жыл бұрын
has anyone thought of using evacuated solar thermal tubes with a heat pump, because you can get -30 outlet from the heat pump and even on a pretty cloudy day you can get +20C outlet from evacuated solar thermal, obviously that isn't going to work during the night so you would still want a air heat exchanger, but your efficiency during the day time even on the cloudiest of day would be pretty amazing and with propylene glycol you can go down to -50C before it would freeze, so yeh for the night you would have to heat the propylene glycol so that it stays above -40C, but that shouldn't be a terrible amount of energy given specific heat of propylene glycol and that you would only be heating it by a maximum of 10C which would be roughly equivalent to heating water by 5C. And during the summer you can use the solar thermal directly to make your hot water, say for example when the secondary tank reaches 50C which with an added 700W emersion heater on that secondary tank on a sunny spring or autumn day the solar thermal on it's own should bring you to 30 - 40C in the secondary tank easily, you would want to have the solar thermal coming near the middle of the tank and going down to the bottom and the emersion heating above the solar thermal so you are making sure the immersion heater isn't heating the water that is going out to the solar thermal though. You would also want a small tank between the heat pump outlet and the solar thermal inlet to mix the outlet temperature PG with ambient temperature PG because otherwise you run the significant risk of thermal shock to the solar thermal which will shatter the tubes, in actuality toy might want to route everything into and out of the tank to not damage the heat pump either because on a sunny but cold day the outlet temperature of the solar thermal could be 100C or so. I suppose 2 loops with a heat exchanger on each side inside a tank of PG would be best.
@liamknowles6658
@liamknowles6658 Жыл бұрын
Take a look at NIBE’s PVT system. It’s not exactly what you describe, but it is using solar panels as a heat source.
@NosyGR
@NosyGR Жыл бұрын
Could we please have the statistic source that over 90% of homes have double glazing and 200mm loft insulation? Many thanks for your videos
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Sure, for loft insualtion; English Housing Survey ENERGY EFFICIENCY OF ENGLISH HOUSING 2013 I think there was an error on thr loft insulation! The statistic was for any loft insulation! We will need to do an update
@NosyGR
@NosyGR Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the prompt reply. I am checking it out now, this is a very interesting resource indeed! How about the double glazing statistic, I believe this is not on the same report (apologies if i missed it)
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
@NosyGR double glazing has a few reports I think.. i thought it was on that one
@elminster8149
@elminster8149 Жыл бұрын
How easy is it to move the Heat-pump when you need to re-cover the flat roof?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
It's litrally 2 nuts.. its epdm anyway so will last over 50 years
@Ben-gm9lo
@Ben-gm9lo Жыл бұрын
I am thinking this is the best place for my heat pump - flat roof. How is your's secured to the roof. You mention 2 nuts, but it is just bolted through the epdm into the rafters or do you have it bolted to a concrete slab using gravity to secure it to the roof?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
@Ben-gm9lo gravity!
@Ben-gm9lo
@Ben-gm9lo Жыл бұрын
@@HeatGeek Damn, you guys do some advanced shit. Thanks for the reply :) Thanks even more for your wonderful videos.
@Dominic_Bolton
@Dominic_Bolton Жыл бұрын
@@Ben-gm9loif you have another look, it’s on rubber feet. A quick search shows a company called strutfoot doing something similar
@eliotmansfield
@eliotmansfield Жыл бұрын
if i said to the wife ‘i can reduce the flow temperature’ she would be beating me with that radiator and also be reducing our nocturnal interactions to a very low rate 😂
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Hahaha importantly, she also knew that didn't mean a colder room.. she ran my heating business for 10 years!
@corbs07
@corbs07 Жыл бұрын
Can you explain/ expand on them rads being more efficient at a lower temp as rated at dt 30 they would give off 700w (1200x600) where as a stnd k2 (1200x600) would give off around 1000w ? I’m guessing your meaning the increased water content?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
No these will give off much more heat than standard k2s for the same flow temperature
@corbs07
@corbs07 Жыл бұрын
You got the spec sheet as the ones I’ve found say less than stnd rads ?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
@@corbs07 it's on best heatinf..com. these output 3800 watts at dt50 iirc.
@zImdragon
@zImdragon Жыл бұрын
@@HeatGeek did you compared the BTU of the cast iron with W of the panel radiator and picked the biggest number?🤣
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
@@zlmdragon. they have 3800w output.. that's much higher than panel rads.
@Richardincancale
@Richardincancale Жыл бұрын
10:10 Did you mean 6000 kWh? I.e. 6 Megawatt hours. Over what period? Or did you mean 6kW of electrical power?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
6000kwh over a year.
@benburton3496
@benburton3496 11 ай бұрын
7.00mins. 3 heat meters?.... the street inlet temperature measurement is calculated sum of total energy injection to 3*C water to heat the house? (The true total input efficiency)
@alisoncarney1745
@alisoncarney1745 Жыл бұрын
I do believe you on this subject but proof in heating your normal house In cost from aug to march comparison is needed for all elec and gas before and after you have a couple months to tweak your system Not sure if you intend to have your viesman running in parallel or not This is fine by me but lets have results done in the right way You need to monitor all systems and show us none heating engineers approved Question hot water tank cold inlet cold direct in bottom Or in bottom with cold mixing in middle with tube up to middle of tank On a normal tank feed eco cylinder indirect not fancy gledhill Waiting for your results as i have a viesmann boiler
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
We have addressed all these questions in other videos. Both this system and outboffoce one are measure for you to access. Link in description
@davetaylor4741
@davetaylor4741 Жыл бұрын
How many plumbers does it take to install a heat pump. Lots apparently.
@TMZ-5jr
@TMZ-5jr Жыл бұрын
A passivhaus approach will save you a lot of money. At least the 15k on the hydrogen boiler. and that air pump looks expensive and massive.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
A passivhaus is liteally the most expensive option.. younhave to build a house
@hamaadrana6191
@hamaadrana6191 Жыл бұрын
I thought pressure test was for 2 hours at system pressure + 30% ?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
For a new system yes. And for commercial yes. This rad system he's been in for 15 years at 2 bar. Holding well so far. The new primary to the heat pump has held at 2 bar for 6 weeks now.. hopefully will lower to 1.5bar when I find time as I think it's passed.
@studaples
@studaples Жыл бұрын
ASHP has left me in debt to ovo. and a wrecked house. Wait until winter comes, then you will hear it.
@ZippedAuto
@ZippedAuto Жыл бұрын
If the hydrogen idea is dead why are they pushing to test hydrogen in Ellesmere port?
@wobby1516
@wobby1516 Жыл бұрын
Really seven days though! 😏 my problem is new build well 10 years old now, with 10 mm plastic microbore pipe work most runs though are 3- 4 meters. Already got solar and two Powerwalls but not sure which way to go as definitely can’t rip up chipboard flooring, oh and typical of new build it’s a dropping system.
@liamknowles6658
@liamknowles6658 Жыл бұрын
On a house that’s less than 10 years old, there’s a fairly good chance that 10mm to each radiator will be fine. This can be confirmed by the maths at the point of system design. I have a 5KW aroTHERM running well on a 10mm Speedfit system (2017), and when I finally get round to doing my own (2009), I will have a second!
@jack504
@jack504 Жыл бұрын
I thought those cast iron radiators are 10x the price and lower surface area for the same space taken up vs modern rads? Not to mention more environmental impact from manufacture.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Per kW output maybe 2 x the price.. IF you could get a standard rad with that kind of output but you can't as theirs have more power than standard
@timclarke8565
@timclarke8565 Жыл бұрын
Just remove 29 of them fake cast rads as they all started to leak.... In fact, it's uncommon for them to NOT fail. HOWEVER, my take it that was due to 70+ flow causing expansion & the seals failed. So at 40ish flow .... I'd anticipate them being ok.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
@timclarke8565 that's not my experience at all??.. the ones in our office are 100 years old. We used to look after lots of commercial buildings,hospitals and schools where they didn't have an issue with leaks. I've now worked as a heating engineer for 20 years...
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
@@timclarke8565 just noticed you out the word fake.. these aren't fake.. they are cast rads
@brianst8
@brianst8 Жыл бұрын
Would you recommend moving into this kind of work going forward rather than gas engineering
@johnfreshwater3790
@johnfreshwater3790 Жыл бұрын
Hi Adam. Was it the Robert Llewelyn David Cebon podcast that convinced you Hydrogen wouldnt work? It certainly was me
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
No it was when I saw that heat pumps can easily achieve a minimum scop of 3.5. Not an average of 2.8 that's been measured. Very obvious how good they were then. Then the reasearch indid forbthr 'hydrigen con' video meade it clear... I dint think I've seen Rob lewelyn video but love him!
@johnfreshwater3790
@johnfreshwater3790 Жыл бұрын
@HeatGeek it's was a great podcast convinced me that Hdrogen was not an option and I'm a bit of a novice in it all. He explained to run a petrol car on a tanker of petrol you would need 18 tankers of hydrogen to get the same mileage
@randomcamerajunk6977
@randomcamerajunk6977 Жыл бұрын
Viessmann md will be having a stroke. He loved them vitovalors
@MikeWerndeg
@MikeWerndeg Жыл бұрын
ASHP is only just about viable in an extremely well insulated house with little or no door/window opening in winter. In any other situation the house will in no way feel warm enough, the heat needs to be on 24/7 as the warmup time is incredibly long (hours) at 45C-55c flow temps. The cost of electricity no matter the so called efficiency will be extremely high and not feasible for the average working people. To be most efficient the flow temps need to be 40C and no more, once you go above that the efficiency literally drops like a stone. Average electricity bill for a semi detached 3 bed home would be about £400 per quarter ON TOP of all other electrical usage. It cannot heat hot water to safe temps regarding legionella etc and requires a BOOST to 65+ degrees, this adds more to the cost of electricity. I did my apprenticeship from 1984-1988 before heat pumps were around and have watched the progression since. I would NOT have a heat pump in my house. Also the total reliance on electricity for EVERYTHING is going to come back and bite people REAL hard at some point. I have written an ASHP calculator that does heat loss calculations for you, allows you to input a flow temp, it will then tell you the rads required, size and output in KW, you can then enter the price per KWh of your electricity supply and give you the running costs per day/week/month/year. With the current price of electricity nearly all installations are unviable from an economic point of view unless you are very wealthy and or have a significant solar installation and don't care and have your big wood burner ready to go, which they all do by the way. I would debate anybody on this subject of the reality versus the hype. from a 40 year heating engineer.
@JD12ish
@JD12ish Жыл бұрын
I... have never even heard of freakin' hydrogen boilers!!! What madness is this???
@OraEtLabora0
@OraEtLabora0 Жыл бұрын
17:20 🦗s
@jopjop5533
@jopjop5533 7 ай бұрын
8 plumbers heat pump technicians come to your house for a day good luck with that....😅
@Patrick-jj5nh
@Patrick-jj5nh Жыл бұрын
too many chefs comes to mind
@maximuswong3092
@maximuswong3092 Жыл бұрын
Roger Bisby would be turning in his grave if he saw you slating hydrogen.
@Lutonman2010
@Lutonman2010 Жыл бұрын
Has Roger died?
@Lutonman2010
@Lutonman2010 Жыл бұрын
@@zlmdragon. but he only posted up a video two days ago. What happened?
@Lutonman2010
@Lutonman2010 Жыл бұрын
@@zlmdragon. you’ve gotta be on the wind up 😃
@K-carbon
@K-carbon Жыл бұрын
How about linking that with a soild fuel back boiler for example? I believe grant are working on such a unit i strongly believe you should allways have more than one heat source in a house
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Solid fuel is genrally not very low carbon unless you own a forest. And it's VERY bad for air quality. Multiple heat sources are for unusually large houses imo.
@onlineo2263
@onlineo2263 Жыл бұрын
​@@HeatGeekyou are correct. Solid fuel heating in a city is horrendous for air quality. Having a neighbour with solid fuel heating is worse air quality wise than living on a bridge atop of the M40. These should be banned in all but rural areas.
@b1h2u3p4
@b1h2u3p4 Жыл бұрын
What was the cost 20k? If so lot of people can't afford that unless the government helps.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
About half. We already know expensive things are expensive, what's your point?
@b1h2u3p4
@b1h2u3p4 Жыл бұрын
@HeatGeek How much you spent, how long will it take you to save money or cover the cost of the work. An A rated boiler is very efficient but yes gas prices are higher but once everyone gets on electric guess which will get cheaper.
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
@b1h2u3p4 it's very different for me vs a punter. I wouldn't have replaced a hydrogen fuelcell if I didn't have a yt channel, heating business, free labour.. returns on business.. if your looking for payback we have a specific video on that for you already
@b1h2u3p4
@b1h2u3p4 Жыл бұрын
@HeatGeek Liked you video though got no issues with your work.
@wattsupmike7593
@wattsupmike7593 Жыл бұрын
BBC R4 today interviewed Karl Arntzen, CEO Worcester Bosch discussed the roll out of ASHPs. Just one ninth of target. He blamed the "spark gap" the 3 to 1 difference between the cost of electricity compared to gas. Even with a COP of 3 at best energy bills will be more or less the same. So why would anyone choose to fit an expensive heat pump with no proof of long term savings?
@hughbrommage387
@hughbrommage387 6 ай бұрын
COP?
@richardbeech4448
@richardbeech4448 Жыл бұрын
Next video replacing the Gas Cooktop ?
@HeatGeek
@HeatGeek Жыл бұрын
Still arguing with miss. I am confident in our advancements.. we will win!
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