Oh! I saw guajolote and failed to notice it was a cognate. The second, more complicated example actually just means "big bird" in Blackfoot.

So it’s the big brother of an Axolotl ?

@@RobWords So then turkey is the original big bird from Sesame Street?

I live in Mexico. Yes, we call it guajolote but also “pavo”. In fact, when I buy it at the supermarket it is called “pavo”, which comes, I think, from the latin “pavus”. Usually, guajolote is the living animal, and its meat is pavo. But only in Mexico. I do not know about other hispanic countries.

@@Mozkonauta in the Caribbean we call it pavo either it's alive or in the oven. Now that I think of it, Not the case for the cerdo or puerco, except if it's cooking on a stick that's lechón

correct

Most accurate I've heard yet.. hehe..

It's not in the East so it's definitely come from the West, easy game 😄

Works fine until you present the western chicken to the vietnamese and said you brought it from Turkey.

glad you brought this up! Do you know if the Rome they are referring to is Italy or the Byzantines (ie Turkey)?

Roumi may ( probably does) refer to roum as for anatolia now in turkey rather than rome. Like in sultanat roum

@@Xyronyte That is probably because of Greeks of Anatolia/Asia Minor introduced themselves as Romans. Byzantine Empire is probably made up by historians. I'm not an expert of Medieval Ages. In Turkish we have two words to identify Greeks. One is "Rum" (Roman), other is Yunan (Ionian). We don't have derivatives of Greek or Hellen. As you may know, the emperors in Byzantium/Constantinople regarded themselves as Roman emperors.

@@oakkahsapsanathobi9756 The Byzantine empire was also known as East Rome. The cultural centre of the Roman empire shifted around a lot, and in the early fourth century (common era) there was an East Rome (Byzantium) and a West Rome (the original Rome, the eternal city), each with its own heads of state. With the sacking of Rome by Odoaker later that century, only East Rome remained, but the Roman empire as a whole quickly became history from that point on. (Chinese historians relate how the once big city of a million of Rome became a town of twenty thousand full of churches, and how Byzantium was the proper successor of the Roman empire.) When Constantinople (it was renamed to that for some reason) was conquered by the Ottoman empire in the 15th century, Moscow declared itself the proper successor of Rome and of the Orthodox Christian church of Constantinople (Nestorianism), on account of royal family ties, despite Constantinople (now Istanbul) being home to more Christians than all of Russia at the time. (And Nestorianism spread to China.) But the Russian Orthodox church became part of the Russian government for some reason. The Ottomans declared themselves the proper successors of the Roman empire, of course, but nobody really cared. In addition there was also the Holy Roman Empire, founded in the 8th century, which had no lineage with either Roman empire, but it lent legitimacy to the aristocracy and gave the pope of Rome (proper Rome, in Italy) a lot of political influence - enough to break ties with Orthodox Christianity. History is full of silly things.

Agree we call it roumi roaster in reference to Roum or byzantine in anatolia

Interesting

七 (shichi, “seven”) +‎ 面 (men, “face”) +‎ 鳥 (chō, “bird”).

I was wondering where the 7 faced thing came from!

@@amandasmith593 in the Meiji period when Japan was going through modernisation/westernisation, Zoos were built and a lot of new species were introduced. That's when the names for those animals were decided by academics.

@@Taricus noodle is 麵

Yes! Top 3. I still like Chinese name Fire Chicken the best!

@@SatumainenOlento Fire Chicken? I can get behind that.

Same in my language (Well its related to Burmese)

I’ve heard people jokingly call the Firebird car a Firechicken.

@@daerdevvyl4314 or Thunder Chicken

I vote for your history!

@MrPhillyval And is there a difference between dinde and dindon ?

@@kuroimae-ashihorbuch-kanal6537 Yes : balls. 🙂I mean The dindon is the male, the dindonneau is their baby.

I always knew they where from america because I read asterix as a child.

Chicken that goes Trut. I like this pragmatism of not bringing up where it's from, especially seeing how everyone who tried has gotten it wrong

cool!

@@LE-ml1oc That might be by case as well because I read those comics like a maniac when I was a child.

Interesting in that the German "Pute" is pronounced similar to the Spanish "puta", which is slang for "prostituta"/prostitute.

Pulyka!!

I'd love to know the thinking process behind the change. Like, who saw a turkey first and thought "yeah, these two look alike, let's name them together".

@ The tail feathers, dude. 😁

Fun fact, in Uruguay, we also use "pavo" as a derogatory term for people, meaning "foolish / fool / silly", as in "no seas pavo" = "don't act like a fool"

I know "real" in this context means "royal" but I prefer to see it as "real" (i .e. true/actual/correct). Un pavo real; un pavo de verdad.

I was wondering about this. Thank you 😊

Well Indians or Hindi-speakers aren't usually called Hindus because that's what followers of Hinduism are called. Of course the two things overlap more often than not but I thought I should make it clear. That being said India, Hindi and Hindu all do share the same etymology. As for the word "turkey" for the bird we Indians just borrowed it from English. This is just a funny speculation but I think we got to know of it from the Turks but refused to call it Hindi because it was definitely never native to India and then when the British came we willingly took their own word for the bird to get back at the Turks for calling it Hindi XD

So cool!

Very interesting. That textile that you described sounds like it would be both beautiful fascinating. Thank you for sharing!

If you hadn't explained the meaning, I absolutely would have guessed it was an onomatopoeia.

@@merrygrammarian1591 YES! It totally read it like the sound they make 🤣

That is... complex. Languages are so facinating.

I love that etymology! I believe I'll have a snood chicken sandwich for lunch!

In Poland we call this bird ‘indyk’ as if it was from India! Fun fact we also call indie video games ‘indyki’ (turkeys)

@@DMartinov Hm. I'm curious, is there a negative connotation to referring to something else as a "Turkey"? In English there certainly is.

@@SlimThrull i only would remember "cold turkey" for the method to abstain from drug abuse and suffer through the symptoms of withdrawal.

* colonised 🫣

Yes, Dutch whose ships brought them to your shores

The newer generation mostly know the name "turkey" too, due to media influence. But traditionally, yes, it's called Dutch's chicken.

In Indonesia it's straight called the Dutch's name 'Kalkun'

we had no native turkeys in philippines so when the spanish brought them over we just borrowed their term for it called "pavo"

Russia calls indyk too. we in turkmenstan also call it hindi towuk means indian chicken

Similarly, I only realized that dinde in French meant d'Inde when I watched this video.

I didn't know these things existed but I made up my own one years ago, and I tried to add more countries onto it as time went on. I'm probably leaving some of it out but it was basically like: "Oman, I was Hungary so Iran to the kitchen and I was Russian to Czech the fridge. I found some Turkey but there was too much Greece when I fried it in Japan. Then I served it on some China and ate it before it got too Chile". I'm definitely leaving some parts out because there was something I added "to Sweden it" but I can't remember what it was. I never wrote it down.

In fact. I'm definitely missing even more than that because I also incorporated some cities as well as countries (and don't remember which ones), and Canada was in there too because it sounds like Can o' da (can of the).

Two different countries, nonetheless :-)

Interesting origin. What nesting, is that pronounced cholo-kloha or cholok-loha (or something else?)

Thank sounds like you gonna kill a lot of turkeys 😆

In Afrikaans noem ons dit ook ‘kalkoen’.

That land piece is actually geologically termed "subcontinent". Did you know that in a million years they all gonna go underground? Asia gradually "bears" it down tectonically.

@@MrZajebali Perhaps just a bit longer than a million years. In that period of time, moving northeast at approximately 5 cm or 2 inches per year, India will have moved 31.5 miles.

@@lizj5740, perhaps.

I would LOVE if english speakers would start calling it Fire Chicken!!!! That would be UTTERLY AWESOME!!!!

@@SatumainenOlento you literally have to set it on fire to make it a right reference.

It'll be funny if you could order turkey in Five Guys restaurant. Thats a joke for cantonese speakers.

@@the_morf The burger place?

Huh I always assumed it’s because of the red dangling bits on their head. But then again we don’t call roosters “fire chickens” either.

As someone who grew up with wild turkeys roaming the neighborhood, the idea of stopping a turkey to try and count the number of colors on its face without risking it being the last thing your eyes would see prior to their being scratched out of your face by those actually terrifying birds, never actually occurred to me.

Korean name for Turkey was introduced by the Japanese, who decided to name the bird "Seven Faced bird". However, I don't think Chinese use the same name. They rather call it "Fire Chicken". Taiwanese may call them "Seven Faced Birds", since they were under Japanese rule, but I'm not too sure about that.

@@davidjacobs8558 You're right. Thanks for the correction. I edited the post to correct that.

@@davidjacobs8558 It's fire chicken in Taiwan too.

@@2ndHandBurrito Wild turkies are definitely not known for their kindly disposition. A wild turkey hen once ran up and attacked the tire of my car as I was driving down my street!

It also happened to me. Coudn't believe this man doesn't have many people to watch and subscribe.

He's at 32k now, which I still find baffling given how great his videos are!

@@nomennescio7571 72k now, that’s a good improvement in less than two weeks.

@@JulieWallis1963 103k now three weeks later.

In Spain we call them pavo or gallipavo (not to be confused with peacocks (pavo real)

Yes, I like the sound of that.

What do you mean it's a homophone? I'm also Mexican and the word for gobble is glugluteo because the sound that turkeys make is "gluglugluglu".

It stops being noble and when filtered through English, sadly. Gwa-hou-low-t!eiy... yuck.

How can they ignore the repetitive squeaky gate noise??

I always want to live in South Africa but I'm scared because it's so violent. But now that I know there are guinea fowl running through everyone's yard I don't think I can resist

They're a bit too big for cats to bother with.

Yes, and he really does look like he could be related to 'the Mum from Friday night dinner'!

Yes, that's the same confusion as I mention when I talk about the misnaming of the West Indies. It's the best explanation I can find... Other than countries just naming the exotic meat after the most exotic place they could think of...

Yeah. Sounds very plausible.

Almost for sure. In French (Quebec), corn is called "blé d'Inde", literally, "wheat from India". Also, a guinea pig is called "cochon d'Inde" ("pig from India"). I've always understood those to be named that way due to the whole "America is India" thing.

At the beginning, the French called that animal ‘poule d’inde’ (hen from India). Later shortened dinde.

@@mike200017 In English it was also called 'Indian Corn' as corn was a generic term for any grain and if necessary you added the specific type of grain (e.g. there's an old folk song called John Barleycorn) but language shifted and the use of corn to mean any grain slowly dropped out (faster in the US than Britain) and so 'Indian Corn' was shortened to just corn.

Try the veal here all night Etc

Ice cream is also an English loan word ..in katakana

In Dutch we call it Kalkoen, which is very similar.

Wonderful, thank you! 👍 It only took 10 years for that interview to pay off.

@@RobWords It does! It seems like its popping up a lot in the recommendations. At least I am coming from that vid too.

confirm that the Bulgarian word is Пуйка (Puyka) - i have no reference to a Bulgarian word with that root, maybe the sound the animal makes but it could be a bad pronunciation of Pute or even Purica :D Note that we also use at least 2 other words for this animal: Мисирка and Фитка (Misirka - probably because of the food used to grow it - corn)

I thought I had never heard of guineafowl until I saw your mention of "pearl hen". That is the meaning of the name in Swedish as well (pärlhöna). And the name for the bird Turkey is apparently just borrowed from Dutch.

The South Balkan мисирка (misirka) is from Ottoman Turkish mısır, from the Arabic word for Egypt. So it's pretty much the same thing.

Confirmed by another Hungarian here! It is interesting that "pulyka" is a diminutive form of "puly" that has no known meaning :D So this is most probably false conclusion. :D OTOH "pulyka" is a kind of onomatopoeic word. Hungarian turkeys make really strange voices (as all other turkeys I guess) that are really hard to phonetize along with many other animal voices. We have a kind of almost-failure here :)

@ndarmiloeski7637 just for the records, Arabic "misr" or "musr" comes from Ancient Egyptian 'msr' that means the area of Lower and Upper Egypt (as Egyptians considered them two separate realms unified only by the person of the King of Two Lands (that in Egyptian is more like King of Two Countries or Realms, 'nb t3.wy' [neb taui].)

Она так называется по тому что она *от индейцев*, не *из Индии*. Но вы это уже наверняка знаете.

Shall все еще попюлярно в британском английском, но ее давно заменили на will в американском аналоге.

It’s not obsolete in the UK. It’s just considered very formal in America.

Indyk in there is it for India or Indian tribe in US?

Very common in the UK. In my southeast accent I wouldn't pronounce it clearly with an a sound. It would come out as shull or sh'll. "Sh'll we go to lunch" could sound like "should we go to lunch" but it's definetly shall.

Same word in swedish, "kalkon". So, hen from Kalikut, that means from some place in India.

@@Ragnemalm in Lithuanian it is called "kalakutas"

Same in Afrikaans Kalkoen.

@@lolliescheepers6949 it would be I guess 😉

@@Ragnemalm Calicut was an important Indian port, well known in Europe because of the spice trade. Today it's called Kozhikode

Unbelievable! In Kolkata - as in the rest of India - we've never had a native word for the bird. And I doubt it ever graced a table before Raj functionaries started to import it afresh, though I wonder where from!

Which definitely isn't hilarious. Then, why am I laughing?

... or "portakal" in Turkish.

@@jarekferenc1149 - awesome!

Porteghal in Persian

Al-burtuqaliu in Arabic, because Arabs don’t have P

in greek its a portokάli too

Tu sabes como le dicen en Espana a una "yeast infection"? En Google dice infecction por levaduras pero se me hace que ha de estar incorrecto. y yo recuerdo haber sabido otra palabra para referir a eso pero se me olvido y google le dice levaduras. Pienso que es incorrecto proque levadura es solamente una subespecie usada para fermentar comidas y no es "infecciosa".

@@bobbyboygaming2157 yeast es definitivamente levadura. Yo diría infección fúngica

We Hungarians call "pavo real" [peacock] as "páva" (say: paava) but I don't know how it connects to Spanish. Perhaps Latin is the key.

Tesco?

It's generally believed to be due to the Norman invasion. The nobility spoke French and ate the meat raised by the Anglo-Saxon speaking peasants.

"Poultry" in English (probably from the French) is any kind of bird, or foul, like chicken. You would distinguish between "meat" (like "beef", also from French) and "poultry" (like chicken).

In Finnish Kalkkuna. Sounds similar again and as we would have got turkey through Europe, this is the route where our name for it comes too.

@@Tflexxx02 Back in the few hundred years after the Norman Invasion, you had two systems of naming domesticated foods, one Anglo-Saxon, which described the animals, and the other Norman French, which described the meats of those animals. So you had cow/cattle (beef), fowl (poultry), calf (veal), sheep (mutton), pig/swine (pork), etc

By the way, it's γαλοπούλα, or male turkey (galos) bird. It doesn't have anything to do with the French, but try telling that to my Greek in-laws, who call it "το γάλλο" every year!

@@fmmaj9noname332 I always thought it was Gallos for French. I have learnt something new.Thanks.

I've had Blunt before actually! Have a very merry Christmas, Paul. And a smashing New Year!

@@RobWords Are you sure they said Blunt? Happy Christmas matey. Lovely surprise to come across these.

@@cdoesthehula Chris, you naughty man. Have a smashing Christmas mate!

I too thought that Kalkun referred to the kluk-kluk bird, not the Kolkata bird.

In Icelandic we call it kalkúnn so pretty much the same

It's also called Kalkun in Estonia.

Very similar to the finnish word kalkkuna

Tuka most likely came from "Turska" (Croatian name for Turkey), with the people using those dialects notorious for dropping sounds from words ;) hint for non-Croats: Dalmatia

Slovenian etymological dictionary says that the word ‛Pura / Puran‛ is etymologically unclear, perhaps it is derived from the lure call ‛pur-pur‛, perhaps from ‛púriti se‛ - ‛to be timid, discouraged', which is presumably related to Czech. ‛púřiti sě‛ - ‛to be presumptuous, haughty'.

People in Mexico mostly call it pavo, nowadays. That is, for both the bird and the meat.

In some regions of Colombia is called pavo and in others pisco (peesko), sounds a little like (omaksi)-peeksee? Hehe.

The meat called Canadian bacon in the US is called back bacon in Canada, because it's made from the long muscle on the back, as opposed to side bacon, what most people think of as just bacon, made from the very fatty meat on the side of the pig. These terms are not as common as they once were. Back bacon by the chunk, and now also sliced is called peameal bacon, even if it's usually cornmeal that the chunks were rolled in. Chunks of back bacon are also sold as cottage roll. Go figure.

In which case, I'm looking forward to my threatening hen dinner this Christmas. Any insight on where Pute comes from?

​@@RobWords The Internet says its also their sounds or trying to lure them by saying "put put". Etymology is weird. ;-)

@@rainer_ Agreed. I learnt the other day that a "turtle dove" also ultimately gets its name from the noise it makes too: turtur.

the behavior is not "seemingly " aggressive, i assure you. i have raised them. but the peacock is even more so.

@@RobWords In dutch peut or puit (dialect pute) means bulge, thickness or swelling. for instance 'puitaal' is the name for a thick matured (pubescent) eel ; which is in the phase to migrate (what takes a year or so) to the deep ocean for spawning. english pouteel. Also similar in dutch 'poot-aard-appel' is seed - potato. What you call pout (fish) is in dutch 'steenbolk' , literally stone-bulge (of his humped back). Back to the birds, pute is not of the behavior but of the outlook : swollen or stout. In dutch we call an ostrich 'struisvogel' = 'stout-bird', similar 'een struise dame' = a stout lady. Seemingly german Trut is also 'stout'. A dutch 'trut' is an english tart. A dutch 'taart' is an english cake/pastry. Dutch 'stout' means naughty but in old-dutch it means brave. Oostenrijk is dutch for german Ostenreich, thus an ostrich = an austrian.

dutch - german - english ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- struis - Strauss - stout / ostrich potig - kraftig - sturdy fors - stammig - hefty puit - Pute - bulge bultig - drusig - humped trut - Hundin - tart / bitch steenbolk - Schmollmund - pout puitaal - Bein Aal - eelpout pootaardappel - Pflanzkartoffel - seed potato

Wild turkeys can indeed be threatening!

In French Dinde comes from "poule d'Inde' (Chicken from India) because we were convinced that India had been reached from the other side ^^

Totally wrong etimology. Il Salvini attribuite the origins to the french "tache" macchia or from "tacca" "taccato".

Is it Lithuanian?

@@theguybehindyou7418 Yep.

Is it the Tagalog language?

I guess it comes from the Spanish "Pavo". A V-->B consonant change is not rare.

peacock in Italian is pavone, and in Hungarian páva

In the Philippines, a Turkey is called a "Pabo", a corruption of "Pavo" (there is no letter V in the Filipino alphabet.) probably due to the fact that the country was colonized by Spain for 300 years and Spanish was adopted as the official language by the co!onizers.

Yeah we know because we watched the video.

Actually called " Bush Turkeys" to distinguish them from the Domestic imported birds. Bush Turkeys are notorious for building enormous incubation mounds from forest litter ( including gardens) for their nests... A real plague for residents with gardens and landscaping in bush areas around cities.

It would make more sense if its name in European languages came from that. It's not even hard to pronounce at all. Same for other North-American languages. But no, they had to re-name it as the name of a country that has nothing to do with it.

misir is egypt in turkish no? again going to geographic naming.

Don't you have something like other south Slavic: ćurka (ћурка) - male: ćuran, or purica / puran (more used in Croatian). Ćurka sounds like adopted from English (Ć is like fast TY) - but could be something else.

Daniel Nielsen is right. The South Balkan мисирка (misirka) is from Ottoman Turkish mısır, from the Arabic word for Egypt. So it's pretty much the same thing.

Several species of non-raisin currants (genus Ribe) are native to Europe and Asia, including the commercially important blackcurrant (a.k.a. cassis). The plants were banned from import to the United States for most of the last century because it is a vector for a pine tree disease which was perceived as a threat to commercial logging.

Turkiye, you mean.

the "roman" in that probably refers to East-Rome or Byzantine as you correctly mentioned. Which is not Italian but also Turkey.

@@Skyfighter94 prooably it's Greece so it's Greek 🇬🇷

I guess probably that is a hangover from the fact for a long time most stuff coming into Arabia from the west would have gotten there via Rome or it's Eastern remnant. So maybe it became something of a blanket term for stuff that came from or was being sold by Europeans or Westerners in general. That would make sense as it probably would be Western European merchant ships that were their first introduction to the birds. Groups tend to get clustered in with the monolithic neighbour blocking direct access to them when it goes on for a long time like that because all knowledge of them gets associated with the intermediary.

А «индюк» это от индейцев или индийцев

I recently played golf here in Northern Virginia and there were a bunch of wild turkeys on one hole. They weren't aggressive, but they didn't seem to mind us, either. They just ignored us.

Where I live, a half hour northwest of New York City, whole flocks of wild turkeys roam the area. They show no fear of humans and even stop traffic on occasion. Up close one can see the connection between dinosaurs and birds.