Why is JASON SHIGA a Devious Genius? | Check MEANWHILE, BOOKHUNTER, EMPIRE STATE, DEMON and FLEEP!

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Jason Shiga makes some of the smartest comics I've read, but that doesn't keep them from being demented, silly, hilarious and even touching. From the all-ages choose-your-own-time travel -adventure hijinks of Meanwhile to the decidedly adult, perverse and amoral escapades in Demon, from the locked room mysteries at the heart of Bookhunter and Fleep! to the not-quite-Hollywood roadtrip dramedy of Empire State, this video takes a loot at what makes Jason Shiga one of the cleverest, slyest and most playful comics creators I've read, and one of my favourite creators working today.
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@LearningAboutComics 3 жыл бұрын

I fell in love with Jason Shiga when I stumbled upon a copy of Meanwhile at my library when I was 11 years old. Amidst a sea of X-Men and Batman comics I was introduced to a wide new world of creative and innovative stories that truly made me fall in love with the larger medium. I really appreciate you shedding some light on his career!

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

What a great introduction and gateway - thanks for sharing that story! The innovation involved is indeed terrific, but there's also that great narrative along with it, isn't there? The entertainment not being sacrificed while doing something innovative is one of the things I love about his comics!

@Scp-gg2rf 3 жыл бұрын

I stumbled upon meanwhile in a similar way, except of it being at a library, it was a used book store. Though my copy was a library book at one point

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

@@Scp-gg2rf Many of my books are ex-libray. Their loss, my gain! 😁

@Scp-gg2rf 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc that is true

@lylawellens2843 3 жыл бұрын

Oh i met him! hes very nice guy!

@WINOFFICIAL 3 жыл бұрын

Best comic KZfaqr

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Wow, thank you!

@AnindaDe 3 жыл бұрын

Damn..! Looking at the architecture of Meanwhile just floored me. Me wants. Me wants ekkhuni. I've read Demon a few months back, and it was so fun, and clever, even awkwardly humane, but all at a breakneck pace. I really want to read all of his books now.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

_Meanwhile_ advertises over 3,000 different endings so one can't say it doesn't have re-read value! 😋. While you're waiting for it to be delivered, check out _Fleep !_ on Shiga's website (which also hosts _Demon_ , if you're in the mood for a reread)

@comicsgrinder 3 жыл бұрын

If you go to the bookstore scene in Bookhunter, you will find an Easter egg. That is the dinosaur display that says, "Read to Avoid Extinction." This is a sly reference to Phil Yeh and his literacy campaign through comics! You will enjoy the work of Phil Yeh too.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Oh, I saw that sign there but I didn't know it was an Easter egg, but just took it as a reference to those signs in libraries. I will check out Phil Yeh as well - is there a particular work you recommend I start with?

@challiray Жыл бұрын

Jason shiga is an old friend of mine... I met him around the time he was doing 'double happiness' and when I read it, it blew my mind! It was surreal to see such great work from someone I saw at the office everyday. I didn't know if he would ever "make it" because his style of art and storytelling wasn't conventional, and he was printing independently... But since then, I've seen indie comics take off, and grown to realize that "making it" is nowhere near as important as simply making. Growing. Mastering your craft... Which Jason has certainly done. Edit: reading the comments has warmed my heart.

@ftloc 11 ай бұрын

How lovely and wonderful; thank you so much for sharing! In my brief communications with him he seemed like a wonderful person and his work is just so rewarding on so many levels. I'm glad that you can see how much of an impact he has made!

@arvindramanathan3105 3 жыл бұрын

wow this is why I love your channel, fantastic stuff, thank you for introducing me to his work.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I really really appreciate you saying that - it is the entire purpose of this channel! 😀

@sunflowers9791 3 ай бұрын

I read Jason Shiga's Demon series. I want to read all of this man's books. Thanks for spotlighting his works.

@ftloc 3 ай бұрын

Demon was so much fun, but every work of his seems really works for me (as is obvious) 😁

@samuels.g.8777 Жыл бұрын

I began reading Demon a couple of years ago and pretty quickly dismissed it as dumb, gratuitous violence and obscenity. After watching this video (and particularly the very interesting and intricate design of Meanwhile), I'm very much inclined to give it another shot and check if maybe it was me who didn't get it. Oh, and another fantastic video, as always!

@ftloc Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! And i can completely understand that reaction - although i felt the mystery set up and 'solved' in the first 100 pages to be immediately arresting, tastes will always vary. I do think you may get more appreciation out of a longer read. It does have a sheen of juvenile-ness, but that's only because its playfulness and glee are so unfettered. As I say here, i ended up finding it scarily smart and even perhaps a little wise. I'd love to know what you think of it if you give it another shot!

@onlycosmia4749 3 жыл бұрын

Jason Shiga is my favorite cartoonist. This video was awesome you did a great job going over his work :)

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I love Shiga too (as is evident 😁) and am so glad you enjoyed the video! Getting the thumbs up from fans and admirers of the persons I am spotlighting always feels like a special compliment to me!

@logans13 2 жыл бұрын

I love Jason Shiga! I have read me while and demon because those are the only ones at my local library. But thank you so much for talking about him. I know what I want for my birthday now!

@ftloc 2 жыл бұрын

That's most excellent to hear, and a very happy birthday! Which book(s) are you going to go for next, have you decided?

@logans13 2 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc I think Im Going to ask for Empire State

@comicsvstheworld 3 жыл бұрын

I'm currently reading Jasper Fforde's Lost in a Good Book, so was very surprised to hear him get a mention here! Will definitely take look at Bookhunter.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

It's a sign, haha! Bookhunter is not quite as fantastical as the Fforde books i've encountered but definitely has the same cheekiness and playfulness!

@TaraGraphic93 3 жыл бұрын

I just went to the link you posted in the description and read his "magnum opus" and Indeed I was blew away by how simple but extravagant his story structure and ideas are. Absolutely amazing despite the simplistic design and characters. his flow for the panels was also pretty easy to read and follow. Thank you for recommending this very new and fresh comic to me:)

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

I am absolutely thrilled that you liked it! You've hit the nail on the head re: how deceptive it is. It may look and feel 'simple' but the layers and complexity really build up, all without being confusing or overwhelming in the least. The pacing, the multiplication of complications, and the constant exploring, pushing and building on the 'rules' to propel the plot are pure joyous storytelling and I am very happy to be able to share this with you! 😁

@krsameer 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Angshuman, you have a real gem of a channel here. Stumbled upon it just a few weeks back and I am hooked since then. From you reccomendations, I loved moon moth, moon cop and some of the Jason stuff I could land my hands on. I need to remind myself not to buy every book you reccomend (not that rich 🙄) but I really want to check out Jason Shiga. You said in one of your videos that From Hell is your favorite Alan Moore. Could you do a video about it or your list of best/favorite Alan Moore? I am pretty new to comics and Watchmen blew my mind. I want to explore him more. And also if you can, one day, please do videos on what is transmetropolitan, my favorite thing is monsters and Nick Dranso’s books. It sounds like I just ordered a list of videos to be made just for me 😉 but it’s just that I have been reading about these books for some time and want to know a bit more before buying them. So if you are looking for new ideas please do pick one of them. 🙂 Until then keep making such great videos as this one. As always for the love of ...😜

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Hello and a very warm welcome to the channel! I'm thrilled to hear you've been enjoying the videos here - long may that continue 😁! I think those are some great suggestions and I've definitely been considering a couple of them for a while now. In particular, a Top 10 Alan Moore list is something I've been marinating since I started this channel. Similarly, I have been thinking that Nick Drnaso's books are must-reads for the times we've been having recently. Thanks so much for egging me on and you will see at least one of these videos very soon - watch this space! In the meantime, do keep checking out our small library of videos (I'm guessing you've taken a look at the Top 10 lists already, but I also chatter a lot on my shelf videos! 😋)

@krsameer 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc Thank you! And haha ya I did view quite a few of your videos and decided to hide my credit away till I read the books I bought 😜. I just watched your first shelf video. Going in order 🤓. But I did like your favorite bookstore video in Chicago and ended up buying Incognegro after that. I love bookstores so if you go to any more of your favorite bookstores that would be great. I live in Atlanta and we have oxford comic bookstore. So if you are ever here you should check that out. They sell many old single issues too I think. I feel after watching your videos I might appreciate their collection better. One reccomendation from side (if you hadn’t already read ) - try Amruta Patil’s latest, Aranyaka. I feel that too speaks very much to the times we are living in. It has a lot to do with accepting the other however different in ideology they are from us. I read it in one go and by the end I felt so compassionate 🙈 (for lack of a better word). You don’t need to know anything about Indian mythology to read that (I myself am pretty illiterate in that area). Will watch out for your videos. Thanks again

@atheistsince1210 3 жыл бұрын

I would love to partake - regretfully my personality and psyche borders on pessimism and pragmatism, glee- wise the ONLY artist genius I’m open to laughing along with is Ben Templesmith, I got so hooked on his talent I haven’t been able to relax and enjoy anything of that magnitude since because it’s not just his macabre story line but the integrated art and characters that make him such a coveted joy :-)

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Our hearts are big enough for many favourites! In fact the more we add, the larger the room gets! 😁

@jonahkilpatrick5654 3 жыл бұрын

I read Meanwhile years ago but at the beginning of this year I discovered the rest of his work and became an instant fan. Book hunters is the only title I haven’t gotten to yet and this video reminded me that I need to check it out. Thanks!

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

So glad you liked this and particularly thrilled you're a fellow Shiga fan! _Bookhunter_ should be relatively easy to get, especially used, and I'm sure you'll have a blast. Have you read Fleep! (on his website?)

@jonahkilpatrick5654 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc Yes I have! It’s one of my favorites of his. Also, when I was first looking into his work I heard that he had written a story called Double Happiness but it doesn’t seem to be available anywhere so I haven’t read it. I believe it was also somewhat autobiographical. I also used the wayback machine website so I could look at when his website had some of his early humor comics. Such as a reimagining of the kids from Family Circus as serial killers.

@virus2003 3 жыл бұрын

"Ow." -My Wallet

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha! Luckily, I doubt you'll regret it! 😋

@virus2003 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc I see all of them available at my library, but you really sold me on Empire State and Bookhunter so I picked those two up. Maybe I'll give Demon a rent. Suicide can hit pretty heavy with me so I'm a teensy bit chary of that one.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

@@virus2003 Check Demon out on his website, if you don't mind reading online, just to see if it is to your liking!

@mahirchauhan4776 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for introducing to new comics.and keep doing it.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

You keep watching 'em, I'll keep making 'em! 😁

@Mariconada 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video. Never heard of it definitely wil check it out.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Let me know what you think if you try any of these out!

@Mariconada 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc will do!!!

@HighlandG 3 жыл бұрын

These books sound awesome, thanks for highlighting them. I may have to check him out.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

If you do, I'd love to know what you thought! 😀

@SrMarkavian 3 жыл бұрын

After watch this video already put in my Amazon wish list, all the comics that you talk about it xD Thanks for talk about this (new for me) artist.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

That's so great to know! 😋 If you do read one or more of these books, I'd love to know what you thought!

@SrMarkavian 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc not from this author but I read recently a good short story call Station 16. If you don't have anything to read, it is lovely :)

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

@@SrMarkavian I'll keep an eye out for it, thanks!

@stopmotionman1866 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats on 7k subscribers. Will you do a livestream for 7k celebration.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Haha, I didn't even notice! Thank you! I don't know about celebrating but I'll be having another livestream this month for sure. I think I need to focus it on one or two topics though.

@stopmotionman1866 3 жыл бұрын

Hmm...that is difficult what can be the topic...🤔

@migsy1 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice video!

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! So glad you liked it!

@victorhugobarragan1072 3 жыл бұрын

Great video as always! I didn’t know Shiga at all, I’ll get some of his books. By the way, what are the names of the authors that you showed at the beginning of the video? I don’t know any of them besides Chris Ware and they seem super interesting.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much - I'd love to know what you think of the Shiga books you do try out! As for the main titles, the images are from: Zot! by Scott McCloud George Sprott by Seth a pin-up by Richard Sala Lint/Rusty Brown by Chris Ware Black Hole by Charles Burns Watchmen by Dave Gibbons (written by Alan Moore) Batman Year One by David Mazzucchelli (written by Frank Miller) The Lincoln County War by Rick Geary Love and Rockets by Jaime Hernandez American Splendor by Robert Crumb (written by and starring Harvey Pekar) Age of Reptiles by Ricardo Delgado Polina by Bastien Vives Bone by Jeff Smith Hilda by Luke Pearson I Killed Adolf Hitler by Jason Castle Waiting by Linda Medley Mouse Guard by David Petersen Scott Pilgrim by Bryan Lee O' Malley Mind MGMT by Matt Kindt Usagi Yojimbo by Stan Sakai Cheers!

@victorhugobarragan1072 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc Awesome! I’ll start building my collection with that list. Thank you!

@alaay1864 3 жыл бұрын

You have a beautiful taste in comics. I admire the hidden gems you find yourself passionate about. It’s inspiring. Just one feedback and that could be just me, your videos are highly edited which makes it feels like someone is talking for 20 min without taking a deep breath. Perhaps if you let the review run naturally even when making little mistake it feel less overwhelming and more authentic. But maybe that just how i see it! I still love your videos!

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much and that's a very interesting point you raise! I'll definitely look into if this "breathlessness" is working against me. The reason I edit in this manner is mainly because when I didn't, the 'dead air' and pauses were exactly when I lost viewers, according to my analytics. My retention/ average view time per episode is much better the more attention I pay to the editing, it seems to me. Even with other youtubers, there's a fair amount of attention that I see straying when there are too many 'umms', 'errs' or repeated phrases. Also, I think I am very paranoid about not saying something meaningful - just going "this is so cool, this is so awesome" - so maybe I go too far in the other direction? I like to think that in my videos there are different degrees I use: there's the dense stuff like these "Who is.../ what is...?" spotlights, then there's a bit more casualness in my Recent Reads and Shelf Tour videos, more loose still are the vloggy travel videos, and the loosest of all are the livestreams with zero editing! 😋

@TheWackyhead 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc I’m a little late to the discussion but this is exactly what I was looking for in this video. I found your commentary informative and insightful. Not a word was wasted. Thanks for the analysis and recommendations!

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheWackyhead Thank you so very much! That is so lovely to hear 😁

@KolkatarChhele111 3 жыл бұрын

How are you big brother? All well there in this circumstances? Hope you're well and keeping up with the situation

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Doing all right, I suppose? Not wonderful, not horrible. How are things with you, all well, I hope!

@KolkatarChhele111 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc holding up as tight as possible. Covid cases rising high in Bengal, but we're staying indoors ( for centuries now I guess 😛 )

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

@@KolkatarChhele111 Take care. Is the rise in Bengal due to the recent pujo crowds, would you say? Or is that too reductive/ simplistic? Even the most stringent of precautions are proving fallible I can see, which makes it a very difficult time indeed.

@vellu5000 3 жыл бұрын

Inspired by this video I just read some more of his works and can definitely second that there is a Jason Shiga work for everyone. This is an inventive, unique author for any comics reader to investigate. For Bookhunter, the constant procedural dialogue kind of put me off and the central joke wore thin after a while. But Demon was just delightfully well-told story, with a great balance between textual and visual storytelling, and the grand scope easily justifed the longer page count. Seriously considering a blind buy of Meanwhile now.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Bookhunter was just the right length for me; any more and I would definitely have felt the fatigue too! Luckily, I liked the explosion of "action spoofery" replacing the procedural spoofery for the climax. I'm glad you liked Demon, which I think is a terrific showcase for the constant inventiveness Shiga is capable of. I think Meanwhile, having hundreds of storylines and endings, falls squarely in between the two works, and I'd be interested in knowing what you thought of it if you try it out. At the very least it's an experience that just cannot be replicated exactly in digital form, which adds a dimension to appreciating it as an object, I feel.😁

@vellu5000 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc So I read Meanwhile over the holidays, and came away impressed and disappointed at the same time. I love choose-your-own-adventure as a concept, so Meanwhile is maybe a victim of high expectations. The storyline is just terrific: trippy and silly and tragic. But the mechanics of storytelling just didn’t agree with me. All too often the connecting pipes were either darkly colored on a dark background, or tiny little nubs connecting adjacent panels, or both. Some of the "clever" bits breaking the rules seemed more like printing errors at first. And the logic of the storyline itself seemed a bit suspect at times, starting with the "professor" allowing innocent-jimmy to use his death machines knowing what happened last time, and working your way up from there. So while unraveling the puzzle box was fun on an intellectual level, the reading experience itself was more like a minor headache at times. But of course, if I didn’t like the book, I would hardly be bothered to criticize in detail at all! I noticed Shiga’s next project, "The Box", seems to be a descendant of Meanwhile. If it ever gets released, I am hoping that the presentation will have more clarity and polish, which I feel is critical in a work of such formal ambition. The Box frankly seems so insanely ambitious that I took it for an april fool’s joke at first... I am trying to think of choose-your-own-adventure comics besides Meanwhile, and there are not that many. Squirrel girl and Deadpool have both had one, but not to the same ambition. Meanwhile is sitting at the top of a very small heap?

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

@@vellu5000 The Box looks really impressive, if - as you say - it ever comes out! I see your points about the production of Meanwhile, although they didn't bother me as much, they could definitely be improved, especially with better colours in the darkest areas. As for the story, I found it pitch perfect perhaps because I was thinking about a particular CYOA book from my childhood in which it was exactly the same setup - a professor next door and the reader as a kid who makes friends with him and uses his machine to time travel. The professor and the kid being such a trope - be it Back to the Future or the Professor Shonku stories in India - that I didn't even think twice about the 'realism' of what is essentially an excuse for glorious madcappery 😁

@vellu5000 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc I too thought Meanwhile was going to be such a story, but it went to suprisingly tragic places. How, exactly, did Shiga manage to get a graphic child suicide into a book marketed "ages 8 and up"? It wasn’t ALL fun and games. But overall the storyline was great.

@puddocksclassroom7174 2 ай бұрын

Eddie Campbell, After the Shooter

@ftloc Ай бұрын

Ooh, what is this, I don't think I've heard of it, but I am quite the fan of Eddie Campbell.

@ludwigelgort5406 2 жыл бұрын

Help! Does anyone know what comic book the page on the right is from at 0:26?

@ftloc 2 жыл бұрын

On the right of the screen (watercolour art) is a page from Glyn Dillon's The Nao of Brown. The black and white page is from Three Shadows by Cyril Pedrosa. I talk about both these books in my 'Six Comics to Re-read Before I Die' livestream, recording here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hM53aruWzqq-pYU.html Cheers!

@ludwigelgort5406 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

@laibyvarghese1180 3 жыл бұрын

Does the empire state is good for a 12 year old

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

Hmm, no I don't think so. It doesn't have anything shocking or terrible (the way Demon does) but it may have a few swear words. But more importantly the themes of life and love and what one wants out of them may be a little subtle and complex for a 12-year old. I would suggest Meanwhile for a kid that age!

@laibyvarghese1180 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc thanks

@eduardocarvalho861 3 жыл бұрын

As wonderful and erudite these stories are, the main issue for me is the art. And I'm not talking about being funny or cartoony in style but about the simplicity approach to the drawing vs the complexity of the argument. It seems to me, that most of web comics leans towards a rapid conclusion with the drawing affair for a immediate consumption in the media, who for most part are not comic savvy. There are many examples of this practice and unfortunately, this author is one of those. Good stories and ideas has they are, they're not accomplished with a proper artist endeavor. I'm sorry, but Jason Shiga doesn't cut out for me. Thanks for the video and keep the good work!

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

I'd respectfully disagree when it comes to Shiga, although I can completely see that inconsiderate and incomplete quality you are talking about in many web comics (or printed comics for that matter). Shiga's work is very detailed and extremely well designed, whether it is proportions, perspectives, weight, velocity or any of the other things that capture the essence and tone of the story he wants to convey. Alongside the formal and spatial design aspects of his figures and pages, he is also one of the most innovative artists when it comes to the sequence of comics, be it passage of time, juxtaposition of shapes, or adjustment in point of view. His rounded cartoony style may not be to everyone's taste, but there is nothing rushed or incomplete about his compositions.

@vellu5000 3 жыл бұрын

Conciously or subconciously, minimalistic linework is always going to be less impressive at first glance than naturalism. Is the artist drawing cartoony figures because they do not want to draw naturalistic anatomy-or because they cannot? However, reading "Fleep" the cleverness of the writing easily kept my attention, even if the linework may not be to everyone’s taste. And browsing trough "Demon" vol.3, there is an elaborate action sequence with dynamic angles and kinetic sense of motion, so there is that too.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

@@vellu5000 Speaking for myself, I have always been as impressed with minimalistic linework as I have with detail. It all depends on the end result, what it evokes. I remember seeing that famous Picasso depiction of Quixote and going wow! And there are many things like just the silhouette of Gandhi (or the hair and glasses of Dwight from the Office on a t-shirt) that exemplify the power of conjuring a whole with just a few parts. In fact, that is the essence of the cartoon, the 'amplification through simplification' people like Scott McCloud talk about that I feel give comics such universal power. Conversely I have seen many a detailed portrait and light-shaded sculpture in comics that just looks stiff and wooden and evokes nothing more than a shrug. A thousand lines and five hundred shades could still leave me cold if it doesn't have energy or life, and Charles Schulz squiggles can still fill me with indescribable joy.

@vellu5000 3 жыл бұрын

@@ftloc Fully agreed on there being graceful minimalistic cartooning, and conversely unimpressive detail-oriented naturalism. But for me, I have never really had an immediate "wow" effect from the former: it has always been a more studied appreciation. I do not really know why that is.

@ftloc 3 жыл бұрын

@@vellu5000 Yes, different people respond to different things and these are various spectrums within our own tastes that I am sure we will be exploring and expanding till the day we die (at least I hope so!). I may be the converse of you: for me the appreciation of 'realism' - how almost like a a photograph a painting is, say - is the studied one. I have to know about how difficult it is to make paint behave that way, or how much is needed to replicate shadow in that manner. The cartoon, a simple squiggle through a circle denoting pain or digust is something that connects directly to my brain (or gut) with very little mediation.