Brood War IS good by today's standards, it's better than most other games out there in fact. Better than SCII at the very least. What's bad about Brood War?

That's the thing I don't get. He doesn't specify one thing that is wrong with Brood War other than being vague. It's an exceptional game, that, if released today would definitely be something like a 'pixel art Indie Darling' that would win a ton of awards and inevitably get a competitive following. Except for the fact that there almost certainly just wouldn't even *be* such a thing as eSports without Starcraft Brood War.

which basically translates to, we need to keep making ACTION GAMES THAT CONSTANTLY GET FASTER AND LESS STRATEGIC EVERY YEAR, YEAH SONIC FAST!!

John Doe sc2 removed too many randomness and variety that aoe2 has such as resource spawning or the types of resources available. Nothing is exactly the same in aoe2 in a map so it actually feels like you are managing a town in the middle of a natural landscape. sc2 has to give up all those elements in an effort to create a sterile environment in the name of fair competition. That made build orders too predictable and forces the opponent to use the same predictable strategies.

+bananian I'd actually argue that SC2 has less randomness in it than Brood War simply due to the fact that the BW meta has been the same for the last 10 years. SCII also has a lot more room for suprise tactics with unusual unit combinations.

Lol thanks, this really annoyed me also.

What are you talking about? He already said Broods Swords.

lol Brood Wars sounds like a cheesy C movie title

Thank you. I haven't played the game in probably a decade and I cringed every time he said "brood wars"

BTW, doubt anyone remembers me, but I was Lord_Eldin in SC: BW. I played semi-professionally, including one TV appearance in S. Korea back in the summer of 2000. When SC2 came out, I, of course, dove into it. However, I was/am married with a job and kids so I only played amateurishly for fun after the kids went to bed. sea.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/9816859/starcraft-ii-top-200-0308-3-7-2011 (I'm Dogsi) But, I did still manage to make the top 100 a few times. The reason I am bringing this up is to illustrate that I do have a fairly good understanding of the game.

My thoughts exactly too ! It's not the way SC2 was built, but how it's being "supported", that's been taking the fun out of the game. I would add though that Blizzard clearly DOES want players to go wild with their creativity. One can see it, for e.g., in the power of the new map editor, which practically allows one to turn SC2 into any game one wants, and all the amazing things that users have done with it. The problem, I think, is that there seems to be this belief that in order to be an acceptable esports, multiplayer SC2 must be constantly and "perfectly" balanced by the devs themselves, but this adhering to this belief has backfired on them. OK, I'm not an esports organizer or games developer myself, so that's just my speculation, not a matter of fact. All I hope is that Blizzard realises the root of the problem, instead of, say, just immediately believing every complaint about how BW was inherently and completely a "better" game than SC2. (since caving in immediately and thoughtlessly to all the complaints about "balance" is, I think, what exarcerbated the problem with multiplayer SC2 in the first place.)

I don't really think the problem with SC2 was the streamlining so much as just the poor unit design. I mean with Brood War, Blizzard was more or less hands-off when it came to the meta, where as with SC2 it seemed like every choice they made was this master plan to try to shape the meta in a way they wanted. One great example is what they did with the drop meta in SC2. They just made drops utterly insane with speed medivacs, widow mines, sieged tank pick-up, baneling drops, invulnerable nydus worms and warp prism ranged pick-up. Nothing in SC2 felt like it evolved naturally, it was just too engineered to feature certain strategies. Then it became a matter of one band-aid fix to try to solve the ill-thought out changes. Protoss got a nexus cannon simply because there wasn't any way for them to stop this crazy speed-drop game they thought up (as well as how weak they made gateway units since they wanted protoss to be all about force fields).

>2000 Jesus I feel old now. Sorry to bug you if you don't mind me asking, but did you ever rub shoulders with or play against Grr...? I know it's nowhere near relevant now, but could you also tell me how the meta was back then, out of academic curiosity?

The meta depended a lot on where you played. In N. America at the time, Zerg was dominant because of their ability to switch production so easily. Protoss, my race, could win but it was more about micro. You had to switch perspectives a lot more and keep pocket temps to defend against mutas. To me though, this was when the game was "funnest" as there was a lot of diversity in play and things were constantly being discovered. For instance, I remember one match of Grrr vs.... forget the other guy, want to say Pillars but I actually know it wasn't Pillars... an Asian guy though... anyways, Grrr was being out microed early on but through clever positions of his zealots with some pillars on the map, he was able to create artificial choke points, allowing his zealots to take on a huge swarm of zerglings with no losses. However, there wasn't really a true "meta" yet. Meta really emerged with the Koreans. This style of play changed with the emergence of the professional Korean players. I remember my first match against a pro Korean. I was Protoss and he was Terran, a match that I was previously almost unbeatable at. I played an aggressive tech style (funnily enough, relied on a quick carriers or reaver drops, depending on the map). Before I played the Koreans, the vulture was basically relegated to a defensive unit and was useless against protoss. However, their ability to micro them changed all of that. In a straight up fight, a single dragoon can take on a lot of vultures. However, they had the APM (which previously wasn't something focused on in N. America) to allow them to actually move the vultures in and out, causing frequent animation cancels on the dragoons attacks. The first guy basically just massed vultures and overhwlemed my dragoons with vultures and blew through my base, dropping mines where dragoons spawned and sniping my probes. While I did figure out how to position buildings and units as well as to manage my fire to mitigate the micro, by the time I caught on, the match was over. That was pretty much how all of my matches went there. While in N. America I could take games off anyone, I didn't win a single match in S. Korea. Boxing mutas, splitting marines, etc. The Koreans speed based play allowed them to simply do things that we in N. America weren't even thinking about at the time because we didn't have the speed for it to be an option. The gap was huge and while "foreigners" were able to close the gap a bit, they were never able to catch back up as the meta became centred on S. Korean players. It created a situation in which the meta was driven by the Korean players and so the foreigners were in a state of perpetual catch up. Yeah, I played against Grrr, Pillars, Maynard, etc. I beat all of them at least once. Pillars was the weird one in that he wasn't that good when we played on Kali (it was like a private b.net server) but he was a beast in live tournaments. I played Grrr a few times in tournaments but never got a game off him. I qualified in the top 64 in KBK to play live in S. Korea but lost badly when I was there. That was also basically the passing of the gauntlet from the Canadians to the Koreans.

And they are also free. As much as I have always loved Blizzard, they charged for Stracraft II and a monthly fee to play it online, which eventually hurt it and was removed a wee bit too late. RTS had the flaw that you could actually do a writeup of a game plan, put it online and it worked 90% of the time. Removed the whole strategy part of the game.

Moba's just destroyed the RTS gaming market. I think blizzard realized a remake would do better than SC3 right, and significantly less time and cost. I was huge into the SC/BW scene on Kali and Battle.net. I bought SC2 , but I got so bored I didn't bother with even buying legacy of the void.

I gotta agree. I bought a Starcraft 2 battle chest a year ago because i like RTS games like DoW, CoH and AoE but i still haven't even installed it. I'm afraid of the steep learning curve and after i bought it my friends told me that people usually play the multiplayer competitively and serious rather than casually laid back. I don't wanna be yelled at constantly for not playing at a similar level to esport players. TLDR; I dont play because I'm anxious of the community.

A good rts could bring it back. But it needs a layer of ai programming and abstraction from intensive 300 apm micro. Warhammer tw was really close apart from the crappy micro needed and lousy MP support.

RTS has always been a bit of a niche genre and in order to make an E-Sport out of something it has to have a HUGE draw. South Korea was sort of the exception as they really dove into SC. I don't really think RTS are in decline even though SC2 might be I think they are pretty much where they have always been it's just MOBA has more mass appeal so it's stealing all the attention. Much in the way action and fps games have in the past.

im down.

hell yeah!

lol gtfo with BGH.

Ahahah BGH really sucks also like fastest maps, going for ladder 2vs2 yehaaaa

norman baum been playing fastest for last few years, check me out at west coast USA on battlenet, handle is marine.SCV

Great comment!

Good point. But it's simple and goes beyond gaming.. Do we need an iphone 17? Is not having iphone 17 the cause of humanity derping into the void? It's mindset that is the issue. On every front we need to slow down and reflect. The gaming industry is no different. We must enjoy and take care of what we already have. Before taking the next step forward.

I'm European and still playing it.

True that!

HOLY SHIT IT'S THE SCOUT!!!!!

TELEPORT SUCCESSFUL

you know you fucked up when the fucking scout of all units calls you out

that's mojo you shitlord

Coordinates Acknowledged.

That's definitely true

Gieron Ssj I can't agree with you enough! The atmosphere is huge. SC1 had a great atmosphere and SC2 is a cartoon. It's like the original Terminator vs Inspector Gadget. I still play SC1 for the campaign because of the atmosphere the game had. And SC2 never even tries.

At least Diablo 3 didnt turn out as different from 1 and 2 as Sacred 3 did from the 2 parts that came before it.

I agree fully. I even enjoy the graphics in WC2 more than WC3 because I don't like how everything turned into a cartoon.

SC2 wasn't nearly as bad atmosphere wise as D3. I enjoyed the SC2 single player and had fun online when it first came out. Diablo 1/2 were both very gory and disturbing, so 3's lack of atmosphere was even worse. Also what OP said... D3 didn't feel like d2 at all. The lack of fun loot and skill trees is a big WTF. I also feel like they won't make a good Diablo again. I would definitely pirate it before risking a penny (thanks scene).

Maniacal Coast it more than old fan, especially Korean fan and Starcraft elites, couldn't let go of the classic. They try to act like the old clunky mechanics of the original with an unfriendly UI that exist only to make elites feel good is some how better. Now, sure SC2 may seem more "casual" than the original Brood War (even though to everybody else standard, SC is anything but casual). That is true. And many people claimed that there are more people playing Brood War then Starcraft 2. While I do not doubt that, I would like to see how many people actually play the game as in melee map competitively vs custom map. It like playing warcraft 3. There are a handful of people play it, but the rest of this people have dedicated themselves to the custom community rather than competitively. Let see If Starcraft remaster would recapture the Esport back to Korea. I can bet you, it will not.

Thinh Vo there are 150 000- 200 000 playing 1v1 this season in sc2. you can check stats on rankedFTW.com

Adam P I'm not denying that. However can you possibly believe one Starcraft remaster kick in then suddenly people start to play Starcraft again? Market like Korean have lost interest in Starcraft when MOBA come about. Esport was a failed industry until riot pick it up and raises it again. Starcraft 2 just happened to be a victim of a dying genre. The game itself wasn't the problem. Quite frankly to many outside of the Starcraft elites, Starcraft 2 was a great game, quite stellar compare to the original. The biggest problem that SC BW players just isn't willing to embrace change.

Thinh Vo I'm not denying the fact of Starcrafy 2 declining slowly but surely. however You said You would like how many people actually play mellee games in Sc2 /BW. i do not have stats to BW but i knew of RankedFTW so i just answered your question in my comment i supppose

They have said there will be no tangible gameplay changes, I think this is a response to the growing Brood War gaming scene in Korea, which has rebounded in the past 10 months with some of the most popular gamers (Who are Korean celebrities) coming back and streaming Brood War. Korea is making SC1 popular again and I think Blizzard is capitalizing on this. For example, after Brood War was seemingly dying in 2011-2012 with SC2 arrival, many top players left, but now the legends are returning (Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, Stork) and new starleagues (AKA 1v1 leagues) are forming.

Awesome!

Same here, just started the campagn again, couse it´s awesome and to recall the old buildings and units. =)

alex2792 i think that broodwar age extremely well..... i downloaded the free version and had a lot of fun with my old friends..... but i really miss the party system from sc2 and the ladder..... too many pros

Melee :)

Try Mass Recall. The official SC2 Editor is freeware and can be used offline. Mass Recall is freeware.

Definitely

Enclave grunt count me in for any of the old X-coms...

You can kinda say that open X-com is a remake. But with apocalypse you have the entire faction system that i haven't seen in a other games.

Honestly I'm not sure I could go back to playing the older XCOM's after playing the new remakes. The remakes are just incredible to the point I'd prefer they just continue to make sequels in that style.

I didn't about the SF2 remaster. Turbo edition included im sure?

Neither did I. Indeed! Edit: Should of probably included that it's for the Switch. I'm not sure if other versions are coming out too.

I remember watching my dad play it on the N64, I've been playing it ever since.

what can i say we were born to cool parents

boris man - Cool. How old was your mom when she started playing Brood War? :)

30 y?

That's cool. I first watched Brood War at a friend's house in 98, I was 22. I'd spent a lot of time in his home over my younger years and I just got hooked on the game but I wouldn't say I was great, but IT was fun! I bought it and when I played it at home on my Dad's computer He would watch me often and that was fun too. Now at 41 I still enjoy playing and my Daughters ( 9 and 10yrs old) are learning how to play little by little. I'm excited for this remaster and will definitely be getting it for us, lol.

It has an Official Overhaul if you're interested

surely they can add simple things which are missing from SC1 that were in SC2 the ability to shift que buildings. auto rally fresh workers to mine, the ability to select more than 12 units at a time... Give me the SC 2 UI in Brood War, and I can do with my paltry 80 APM what pro's using SC UI could do with 300 APM. This wouldn't affect balance at all you just wouldn't need to multitask 800 things per second with 400 APM.

No, it would change the balance of the game, if you want those things play SC2, that's what it's there for, for casual players who don't like BW or think it's too difficult. They are trying to cater to hardcore fans and you're asking them to dumb down yet another game to please you? go play SC2, period. No BW fan wants any of those changes, they don't want ANY changes to the core game play, we like it just the way it is.

I played BW for the better part of a decade don't speak for all BW fans. and a UI update would not change anything. bad players would play a bit better cause their low APM would stretch further pro's with 300 APM well their ability to micro and do simultaneous coordinated multiproged attacks would be qually improved. At it's core starcraft isn't a n00b freindly game anyway casual players can jump into both but in the competitive esports arena you have pro's practicing 12 hours a day for months to be able to win big tournaments.

A game being clunky doesn't mean you require more brainpower to play it. The people playing games today are likely no less intelligent than you were back then, but not used to having to navigate interfaces like that featured in Brood War. What's this myth that 12 unit selection mechanics somehow make a game more indepth? The game was mainly about macro and army movement. Being able to select more than 12 units simply means you're less restricted in how you divide up your units for micromanagement.

And what is wrong with a game where only the most dedicated can shine? why does everyone have to feel like a bad ass while playing? I'm not amazing, I think the best I did in ICCUP was like B- or something a long fucking time ago. One of the biggest reasons why SC2 sucks balls as a game to play and/or watch it's because it's too fucking dumbed down, smart casting, multiple building selection, infinitely large control groups, all of these and many many more flaws fucked that game up to the point where it was a fucking bore to even watch. BW is far more engaging to watch because you know every single thing they do requires practice and a lot of dedication. If a casual player wants to play BW but think it's too hard then go play SC2 or one of the many BW mods on SC2, why ruin BW as well to make it easy for noob players? I'm a noob player and I love the shit out of BW just as it is, if nothing else just so I can actually have fun watching pro players play it. Every game doesn't have to cater to every single human being on earth, so what if BW it's mostly aimed at hardcore players or pro players, can't we have one fucking niche game that isn't dumbed down for mass appeal? is that so wrong?. If they add one "feature" then the next comes and the next and the next, because hey it's "easier" and "more fun" like this than how it was. What next? Hey blizzard is too hard to cast more than one storm at the same time, can we have smart casting?, Hey blizzard is too hard to micro my reaver + shuttle, can we have collosus?. The game is fine the way it is, it doesn't have to appeal to everyone and that is okay, if you don't like it then play something else, why do you have to change a game that people love just so you feel more comfortable playing it?.

Thanks!

Downward Thrust i watched a few of these topics but some people say they would like to have a Diablo 2 remake in Diablo 3 engine... but damn i would hate that. The way they doing Starcraft 1 remake would be cool! What is you're view on this?

Jaco Oosthuizen Who wants that? As Diablofan i can tell ya i want D2 as it was. Nothing is right wirh D3 its a complete kick in the face for any fan.

Fuck remakes. They should concentrate on making new games.

This, its time for Starcraft 3.

Dune II (the first Dune was a point and click adventure game) set the mold for modern RTS games, but let's face it, those before StarCraft are really lacking. Westwood didn't really hit its stride until Red Alert II.

Many things. SC2 took away the gritty, dark, serious atmosphere that BroodWar had established in itself. They also took away limited unit control and added a key that lets you pick all units (except workers) at once. Good idea on paper, but in practice it spawned giant blob of A-move deathballs, decreasing the skill floor in a bad way. Heck at the time of development of SC1, unit control limit was put under consideration because zerg was overpowered when they had a 24-unit control cap. This is also apparent when playing SC2 mod "Mass Recall," which replicates SC1/BW in SC2 engine.

Also the unit and art design is dreadful, and has too much "WoW" graphics and animations.

aaaand the story is crap

The whole graphical design in SC2 is not so more that the game become more cartoonish but like that is how it will look on a modern 3D graphic. That is just how it go. You can't have a game that control over 300 units plus in a fast pace gameplay, complex units ability and show how ask for the graphic some how realistic and gritty without crashing your own damn computer. That is just not how it work ever. And the original wasn't gritty because of the style. It is the graphical limitation that made them look like that. Same with what happened with Red Alert 3 and Red Alert 2.

Nothing makes sense what you wrote. It isn't "just how it goes", that is the worst excuse i've seen. They had every tool to make another masterpiece, but they wanted publicity and money so they made SC2 more child-friendly and casual, they also wanted to go the "safe route" which really fucked any genius potential. Why would that what you said crash the computer? That doesn't have any logic at all. Again you're just throwing your opinions and converting them into facts. No, SC and BW weren't dark and gritty because of the graphical limitations, there are plenty of even older games that were either bright/positive or dark/gritty, BECAUSE THEY WERE DESIGNED AND CREATED THAT WAY, not because of the freaking graphical limitations.

Well I would disagree, as I played SC for 10 years religiously and SC2 for half of that. Of course SC2 has great potential, but that doesn't mean people want to watch it. :(

I wanted to love sc2 I really did, it was so heartbreaking. It's actually almost getting to a point worth playing, it needs zoom out ... Dur.... And so 1 units like reavers to deal with bio mass. I actually like the tripods in sc 2 but not at the expense of reavers. Sc2 was just so wrong, some of the mods are coming out are pretty decent like the real scale mod with extra units. Blizzard have fumbled sc 2. I hope they don't cock up sc1.

Okay, i didnt know you used to play Starcraft. When Wings came out, the game wasn't huge. It was accessible enough for casuals though and thats why it grew. All big esport games today are possible to get into. Starcraft2 LotV isnt, there are no new people coming. They overpaced the game and most games end due to losing too many workers, nothing meaningful even happens. Hell, even BW is easier to get into at this point, despite its mechanics. Most people who watch are casuals, there are barely any more causuals in Sc2 and hence no people watching.

Stats wins a tournament with protoss. Terrans and Zergs: DURRRR ADEPT OP DURRR NEEDS NERF. Blizzard: I gotchu fam. Protoss is deleted from the game. Blizzard literally hates protoss players so they can't complain when protoss players leave.

+Downward Thrust I've played SC1 for 17 years, SC2 for 7 and SC2's devs kept missing chances to make the game "great" every installment, there is no chance for them to make it great. there is 0 potential for this product.

This

its not rly broodwar ... broodwar on sc2 engine is not broodwar

maelstrom/mind control. dark archon spam to counter protoss carrier spam. my absolute favorite.

That is only campaign mode afaik, ppl want to play multiplayer and show their skills, especially the die hard community original members lol

Starbow is basically Brood War multiplayer in the SC2 engine right?

well if u dont like it dont buy it and keep the original.

If they change something in Remaster it will also change original....

watch the developer interview, they cleary said, that they won't touch anything gameplay related. the one thing they change, that may have impact on the gameplay is the field of view. but we have to see about the impact of that.

Im playing in 4:3 view so yeah impact will be significant...

yeah everybody is, but if you look at the actual increase, it doesn't look that significant. since jaedong, flash, stork and bisu tested the game and didn't complain about it, im kinda hoping, it won't be an issue.

One thing PC gaming runs into I think is a lack of visible tech generations. Part of the reason I never bothered with SC2 was because at the time I didn't have the time or resources to invest in a new PC that I could be sure would give me a good experience. Whereas I know what I'm getting if I see "PS4" on the box. I don't know if developers worry about that, but as one of the purely nostalgic players out there (esports wut?), as much as I've wanted StarCraft and Diablo II remasters, I'm not going to run out to buy a new PC or other components for them.

I think you missed the point a little bit. True, Starcraft 2 can't compete in views with something like DotA2, but it still brings in a solid number of viewers compared to a lot other competitive games out there. However, Broodwars is nothing like Starcraft 2 - that's like comparing Counterstrike to Halo. Broodwars "lacking UI" (which by the time the game was released was one of the best UX you can get in an RTS) and restrictions are where the compelling nature of the game is. It takes zero skill in SC2 to box 50 units and march them across the map with auto-attack on - in Broodwars you not only need a lot more (limited) action groups, you have to sync them up and take care of attacking manual on their way, no, you also have simple path finding and odd unit behavior. All those things increase the micro management a lot, which means you have to set priorities. Starcraft 2 on the other hand lacks those restriction, decreasing the skill curve in high level play a lot and leads to a snowball effect, because tiny mistakes can mean you will never recover again. In other words, while Starcraft 2 is a game for the masses (as in mass gamers not mass everyone), Broodwar was a game for athletes.

More like it was a game for people to masturbate to themselves over because they could navigate clunky mechanics. Don't get me wrong, I played it for nearly a decade, and the controls were second nature to me. But the strategy was in what you did with your economy and army, not trying to juggle limited 12 unit control groups. Being able to select two hundred units in SC2 only means that you are now less restricted in how you divide up your units to micromanage them. It's about ease of use for something that shouldn't be a matter of fighting the controls when you should be fighting your opponent.

It was a game that required you to develop tactics as well as strategy. You can use words like "restrictive" and "clunky" to disguise your point, but "ease" is the one you're obviously concerned about.

I didn't say that, nor is it true. I'm saying that being worried over adjusted mechanics because the game would somehow be less impressive is ridiculous, because no amount of massive control groups or auto-mining can help you learn certain timing windows or what units to produce, how much to produce, and what to tech. If people can more readily create different prongs to attack on more than one front with, as their opponent I wouldn't be whining about how easy it was for them to do it, because it's a matter of controls and not the tactics used during the game.

God, almost no BW fan (and many SC2) fans would touch that trash.

As a SC2 fan, I would not ever touch that game.

kyotheman69 they need to make a new game, period. sc is overexposed and became stale. they need to go in a different direction.

Why I think StarCraft 3 (or a totally new RTS set in a different universe) is more of a possibility than a WC4... - StarCraft 2 as an eSport is getting stale. The scene is getting tired of it and wants to move to BW or have something new. Some, if not many, would even say "it's dying". Not sure a remastered BW will re-ignite that fire. Strangely enough, the community leaders, youtubers and media that went to Blizzard's StarCraft community event seemed to hint that the StarCraft franchise has a bright future...Even Blizzard employees have said that, IIRC. - The game still doesn't satisfy many fans and pro players. Some units would require removal or massive changes. It's better to start anew without being hindered by having to keep old units in. That way, you can scrap everything and do it right. - David Kim move onto a new project (most likely an RTS, from what was hinted) - In 1 year, it's StarCraft's 20th anniversary. - WoW is still going strong and it doesn't look like Blizzard wants to end WoW's story to make an RTS that most of the MMORPG crowd might not even want to play (given the image they have of SC2 as a hard to master, frustrating, esports game). They're better off making new content and then somewhere down the line, making WoW 2. They won't want to alienate their WarCraft crowd. Many will not want to play it just to see how the story evolves in WC4. Plus, knowing what happens after WoW's final expansion might ruin the fun of playing WoW to discover what happens in the next expansion. Best way to solve this is if the events if a WoW expansion coincided with those in WC4 (IE same battle from different angles or different battlefields in the same war). But even then, that would require too much effort on Blizzard's part and Blizzard does not do complicated stories. - StarCraft BW is a 20 year old game, even if remastered, with limited controls. - They can make a new game with what they learned from SC2 and fix those issues from SC2. - I could be wrong, but it seemed like the WC3 scene died down and interest for WC4 is not as large as interest for SC2 once was. SC2 Co-Op has lots of interested people and SCBW is making somewhat of a comeback as well. - There was a leak late last year, about a potential StarCraft 3 storyline involving the UED, Niadra and her brood, as well as the Tal'darim. - They stopped making campaign missions for StarCraft 2, deciding to focus on multiplayer and Co-Op. At the time they did announce this decision ("we changed directions, we're not going to put out more mission packs after Nova"), I had a feeling that it was because they moved the story team onto a new RTS project, most likely SC-based. The few that remain are working on the new Co-Op missions that have come out since that announcement...And it has taken them far longer than for the first 2-3 Co-Op missions, which does hint at a downsizing of the team (because most of them moved to a new project). - They (Blizzard) were also looking for some RTS developers, recently, on their website, weren't they? Co-Op content is still on-going, though. Strangely enough, Co-Op content would make a good basis for a new WarCraft game, except...(read below) - Ironically, Co-Op has heroes and less units per "faction" or hero, like...Yep, WarCraft 3. Co-Op's formula could go well with WC3 or a potential WC4...However, Co-Op content for SC2 is still receiving development. Singleplayer content, not so much. So why make something that competes with what Blizzard already has? - David Kim and a few others from SC2 moved on to a new project (which should hint that it's highly likely that this new project will be an RTS) - Many fans, pro players, casters and what not, are making or have made balance/multiplayer mods for StarCraft 2. The more recent and more popular ones that come to mind are Vanguard, SC2BW, StarCry, HeptaCraft, Starbow, ShockCraft, and so on...So there's interest in using StarCraft's fast-paced gameplay and re-iterate to create a new game from it, one based on SC2, but upgraded. - They might want to compete with Dawn of War III. That way, it could prevent Blizzard from losing the RTS genre to Dawn of War and not be able to put out more RTS games and rake in money from them.

a lot of the crowd in mobas just dont have interest in rts. its easy to become really attached to mobas and be blind to their flaws. some would come back to a good rts but yeah ur not going to win the dumbing down war with mobas theyre the original dumb down game.

Source ports are great, playing Doom or Quake in 1080 144hz is just awesome.

flame sartoris Blizzard already fucked up the Diablo Fanbase, now they're gonna fuck up Warcraft's too?

I think they fucked up Warcraft fanbase first with wow

Armesis P that's what a company is made for.

Armesis P what would they pay their game developers? nice letters?

Would you prefer they let StarCraft die? Believe it or not the micro transactions in SC2, and the Remaster of SC1 are keeping the SC Universe alive. I'm fine with these things.

+Frost Sanctum Micro Transactions in SC2? for real i played today and i don't see any of that i think you are refer in some DLC?

Do you understand what a Micro Transaction is?... I've seen people freaking out because StarCraft 2 put in skins, voice packs, portraits, and... I don't know what else they threw in. I think it's under 'Collections' or whatever they named it.

Aw thanks a lot! Means a lot to me that you comment on my vids as well. :)

That's a dedicated fan right there. I feel like direct donations would make much better use of time though, right? Does Downward have a Patreon or?

Wait... do youtubers dont get paid if I skip the ad with the button that sometimes pops up after 5 seconds?

Hans Hugo nope

it does not matter of you watch it, it matters if you click the link on it. so... you might have wasted a lot of your time for nothing. just watch 1/3 of it then click on the link, then skip add.

Thank you for the compliment. :D

your welcome you deserve a lot more subs and attention for the amount of work you put into it

That's not true at all--Starcraft and Warcraft were made by Irvine, not North. Blizzard North just made Diablo I and II. Chris Metzen was the lead designer for SC1

I fogot that you never make mistakes. Whats it like being a robot? How hard has it been interacting with these things called human beings? When you are doing everything with absolute perfection, it must be frustrating. He added an S to a game name that wasnt there. Shut the fuck up you whiny bitch. You are probably one of those people that pretends like you didnt understand someones story because they got one detail wrong about it.

Shawn Macdonald why are you even defending him? He's standing on a soap box giving a firm opinion whilst also demonstrating he is completely unfamiliar with the topic he is talking about. How arrogant do you have to be to post long opinion videos on topics you haven't researched or have any experience with?

so he knows nothing about what he is talking about because he added an s to the name? Great argument

@Shane Wright I'd love to explain why but I have to go and post a video about hockeys.

>Adds a letter to a title. >Clearly knows nothing about the game. What an idiot.