Why is the Guantánamo Bay prison still open?
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2 жыл бұрынTwo decades of the world’s most notorious prison.
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In 2002, the US opened a prison at its naval base in Guantánamo bay, Cuba. The 9/11 attacks had occurred just months before, and the US was capturing hundreds of men in Afghanistan and Pakistan. It wanted a place to hold and question them. So the Bush administration opened Guantánamo and claimed that it lay outside of US and international law.
The detainees didn’t have to be charged with a crime to be imprisoned and the US could hold them as long as they’d like. By 2003, there were nearly 700 men imprisoned in Guantánamo, but there was backlash from around the world. When Barack Obama took office in 2009, he pledged to close Guantánamo.
But politics quickly got in the way. He was able to decrease the population but faced legal challenges. Ultimately, no president has been able to close Guantánamo because once something is created outside the law, its impossible to bring it back inside the law.
Recommended Reading:
Guantánamo Docket: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...
Why Obama Can’t Close Guantánamo, Carol Rosenberg www.google.com/url?q=...
Guantanamo Diary by Mohamedou Ould Slahi: / guant-namo-diary
Don’t Forget Us Here: Lost and Found at Guantanamo Bay by Mansoor Adayfi: www.goodreads.com/book/show/5...
The Struggle to Cover Guantanamo Bay by On the Media: www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/...
Military commissions website: www.mc.mil/
Periodic Review Board Website: www.prs.mil/Review-Informatio...
John Bellinger: www.lawfareblog.com/guantanam...
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@Vox 2 жыл бұрын
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@frostyalaska6371 2 жыл бұрын
Should do a report on CMU prisons here in the US. People are charged with sedition against the state and are put in solitary confinement without ever being brought infront of a jury and are instead charged by military tribunals. Literally a way to silence potential political enemies.
@littledudefromacrossthestr5755 2 жыл бұрын
@@frostyalaska6371 huh?
@frostyalaska6371 2 жыл бұрын
@@littledudefromacrossthestr5755 look up CMU prisons Ted talk it’s disgusting way more of an issue than gauntanomo
@littledudefromacrossthestr5755 2 жыл бұрын
@@frostyalaska6371 ok! Ty
@My2CentsYall 2 жыл бұрын
OBAMA tried to close it but they would not let him do it so it remains open.
@Luvinist 2 жыл бұрын
When the US do it, it's an unfortunate situation. When other countries do it, it's a human right violation.
@duyguozkann 2 жыл бұрын
THIS
@MrJasa89 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewcollins6954 nope
@umaryusuf537 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewcollins6954 what? That’s not even true
@jonahalkana5195 2 жыл бұрын
@@andrewcollins6954 average republican
@turqutopia 2 жыл бұрын
Let's not forget about their bestie israel ..... over there everyday is a human rights violation day
@samsee_ca 2 жыл бұрын
Dan Fried might be my favourite interview Vox has ever done for a video. "Once you start them outside the rule of law, bringing them in the rule of law's a lot trickier than you think. Don't throw out the rulebook in a fit of passion. You'll regret it."
@ComputerCurry 2 жыл бұрын
I liked his thoughts on the situation.
@priyanshu3182 2 жыл бұрын
What did he exactly mean by regret?
@xCM3Lx 2 жыл бұрын
@@priyanshu3182 Probably that the detainees will testify they were treated inhumanely and will be given lesser punishment than deserved (possibly even set free) due to cruel and unusual punishment and/or unlawful imprisonment
@jakeave 2 жыл бұрын
the entire patriot act in a nutshell, and covid. We always panic in these once in a generation issues instead of making slight adjustments to the tried systems we already have in place.
@braxtonjones6163 2 жыл бұрын
@@xCM3Lx But some of them are actually terrorists.
@simonwalkenhorst7250 2 жыл бұрын
We live in a world where you can openly be thrown into 20 years of torture and agony, without any proof or justification of wrong doing, by a "democractic","lawful" and "first world" country without anyone doing anything about it.
@RobertGames2030 Жыл бұрын
😰😰😰
@Youssouf_ Жыл бұрын
Sad world
@Gaylord69420 Жыл бұрын
Uh, they are literally terrorists are you daft lol
@johannesahrens7963 Жыл бұрын
Well the EU urged the US to close it thats pretty much all they can do but it's kinda the uss peoples fault if they keep electing republicans
@cz2301 Жыл бұрын
Nah, not democratic: republican
@juandanielcastanierrivas9545 Жыл бұрын
Every time you hear someone say “the government wouldn’t do that”… yes, yes they would.
@biggychugss6072 Жыл бұрын
bros tryin to be wendigoon ☠️☠️
@ryanwalker4660 4 ай бұрын
I don't think you know what you're talking about and should stay in your lane, but that's just me...
@s70driver2005 2 ай бұрын
Exactly!!!
@thefattesthagrid 2 жыл бұрын
The question should not be "Why did the US get away with it?", the question should be "Who is supposed to stop the US from doing so?".
@Gurumeierhans 2 жыл бұрын
The rest of the world. But money must go cha-ching
@centrist3684 2 жыл бұрын
When China does bad thing, US is suppose to, according to Reddit and Facebook. So...China is suppose to stop US?
@thefattesthagrid 2 жыл бұрын
@@centrist3684 That must've felt weird while typing, eh?
@Gurumeierhans 2 жыл бұрын
@@centrist3684 would be cool, yeah. or the whole civilized world
@alexs1640 2 жыл бұрын
The American people are supposed to stop the US. But we just had 70 million people vote for a pathological liar with authoritarian beliefs, so good luck getting them to do anything constructive
@Sanguinaryyy 2 жыл бұрын
The frustration in Dan’s face perfectly represents the entire world’s emotions towards the entire Guantanamo Bay «experiment».
@andreparra9241 2 жыл бұрын
towards the entire way the US operates its political game*
@DavidRamseyIII 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the world doesn’t care about Guantanamo Bay. I’m Australian and I say, the American government can do whatever they think is best
@thunderbolt4451 2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidRamseyIII so u guys have the right to experiment on others?.......reminds me of an austrian painter who wanted to make Germany great again
@bigpeenerpeen 2 жыл бұрын
@@thunderbolt4451 when they’re terrorists who cares?
@DavidRamseyIII 2 жыл бұрын
@@thunderbolt4451 there are bigger problems in the world than a terrorists right to a fair trial. I suggest we work on problems in the order of big to small
@stallalalla 2 жыл бұрын
It really goes to show that if you’re a superpower, human rights law doesn’t apply. You codify it then forget about it until you need to use it against someone else. Law is supposed to be a set of guidelines you look at before you do something potentially illegal, not after. I pity the poor lawyers who the US forced to back this absolutely inhumane process. And if they somehow believed this was legal, they needed a couple more years in the law school oven. They weren’t fully baked yet.
@zuolat Жыл бұрын
Ya like how in many underdeveloped or developing countries we cant have a death penalty for criminals or police cant shoot any person above their knees because "human right violation" But hey US can do anything..
@staymadlollllll4786 Жыл бұрын
Shut up liberal
@ChorizoFungis Жыл бұрын
Who cares, those people are terrorist, if they bombed your country you would do the same.
@davedave3520 Жыл бұрын
And yet they criticize our country for human rights violations
@user-th4rf8yl9v Жыл бұрын
this is basic political science here, first 4, 6,78, and 14th amendments if you want to arrest someone youneed a warrant if you want a warrant youneed suspicious cause, and you cannot sit people in jail without being tried first this is basic politicalscience
@brandonmorel2658 Жыл бұрын
truly heartbreaking and disgusting to hear about a government that for 20 years committed straight human rights abuses and war crimes every day on foreign soil. . . and they tout themselves as a paragon of freedom and other lies.
@lil.bad21 Жыл бұрын
your country would've asked the us for the same thing to happen if you had terrorist attack such as 9/11
@CHUMP-CHANGE 5 ай бұрын
This base on cuba was converted into an even stricter facility in 2001. The US has been using this base since the 1970s (former name is "Camp X" I think). If you play games, I would highly recommend "metal gear solid: Ground Zeros". The game is set in 1972 (?) and you infiltrate US camp "omega" located in Cuba.
@CHUMP-CHANGE 5 ай бұрын
@@lil.bad21 Lol no. The US has has this camp since the 1970s. "Camp X" was the former name unless I am mistaken. Before 2001, it was mostly used as a barely-humane open air jail for people seeking asylum from nearby countries such as Hati.
@xyrildanmanuel783 2 жыл бұрын
recently watched The Mauritanian and there was a line that kinda struck me. Guantamo Bay is in Cuba not because it only puts the prisoners outside of US jurisdiction, it also protects the jailers from prosecution
@BeachSamuraiStudios 2 жыл бұрын
Dont do the crime if you cant do the time....
@tracesprite6078 2 жыл бұрын
@@BeachSamuraiStudios many of the prisoners did absolutely nothing. They just got randomly arrested because a poor person wanted to collect a large reward.
@jamesz9635 2 жыл бұрын
@@BeachSamuraiStudios you literally missed the point of the whole video. if they actually did the crime then the US wouldn't have gone so far out of their way to avoid putting them on trial
@TheEroticDonkey 2 жыл бұрын
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@jayanthsriranga1403 2 жыл бұрын
@@BeachSamuraiStudios classic troll
@EpixAndroid 2 жыл бұрын
I'll never forget the time 60 Minutes did a report on Guantanamo back in 2013. They took footage from inside the facility-which at that point, the public had never seen before-and how all the detainees were making lots of noise when the reporters went by the bright red cell doors. The people who worked at the facility said that this was completely normal whenever they were on-duty. Whenever I think of Guantanamo, I always think of that report.
@yagaman6701 2 жыл бұрын
Is it available on youtube
@mello4392 2 жыл бұрын
@@yagaman6701 yes
@yagaman6701 2 жыл бұрын
@@mello4392 can you tell me where i can watch it
@forr35t 2 жыл бұрын
@@yagaman6701 youtube :)
@yagaman6701 2 жыл бұрын
@@forr35t i mean the channel
@khamzarauan1132 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are so WELL DONE!!!!
@bachvutuyetvoi3789 Жыл бұрын
Your storytelling, both in language and visual. The best.
@daphnesawyer8555 2 жыл бұрын
I didn’t expect to enjoy hearing the perspective of a former employee as much as I did. Awful that all those politicians used these innocent ppl to push their own political agenda. Well done vox!
@konway17 2 жыл бұрын
I mean has the American government never not done that? lol
@GiacomodellaSvezia 2 жыл бұрын
Not all Gitmo prisoners are innocent, but to keep them for an indefinite time without any accusation is the most frightening violation of human rights (which the US acknowledged in 1948) imaginable. Nothing is scarier than a country with such might and such evil intentions. There is no valid excuse.
@bingoberra18 2 жыл бұрын
Innocent?
@schlechtgut8349 2 жыл бұрын
@@GiacomodellaSvezia yeah couldn't they just give some of them life sentences and that's it
@shadowblade5994 2 жыл бұрын
@@schlechtgut8349 yeah but what happend if they escape they should put max security
@BubbyBoy 2 жыл бұрын
It seems like Mitch McConnell always threws a wrench into everything.
@nathanhails5901 2 жыл бұрын
I think we should throw Mitch and Donnie in there.
@LilDroidBlue 2 жыл бұрын
The wrench he throws in is himself, because he's a tool.
@Malcadon 2 жыл бұрын
Mitch McConnell is a literal cancer upon democracy. He *is* The Swamp!
@Malcadon 2 жыл бұрын
@@lucv2234 Yeah, he lacks that too. ;)
@MostlyPennyCat 2 жыл бұрын
@Account will be deleted on September 11th I dunno man, we get a lot more done here in the UK and the EU. For a start we only have one elected legislative body. All our judges are chosen by an independent panel. We do pretty well here, even if the Tories have not started adopting republican tactics
@amaionnaise1594 Жыл бұрын
as someone who used to live on the naval base in gitmo, we used to see boats transporting people to the island with the prison. It makes me so angry and sad that this prison is still open and people are still being wrongly and unfairly held in this horrible prison.
@MichaelfromtheGraves 6 ай бұрын
The prison isn't on an island (unless you're considering all of Cuba the island)
@CHUMP-CHANGE 5 ай бұрын
@@MichaelfromtheGraves Yeah, if this guy was really living on a naval base, you would think he knew that gitmo has been around since the 1970s. Used to be called camp X unless I am mistaken.
@ryanwalker4660 4 ай бұрын
cool
@goonsiry2606 Жыл бұрын
Did a project of this in highschool, so much has happened since 2014, and that is wild.
@patrickmunro5379 2 жыл бұрын
Just imagine another country doing this with American citizens.
@DickCheneyXX 2 жыл бұрын
Incorrect analogy. We did not take citizens from major world powers, just third worlders. Imagine China doing this on a massive scale to their Islamic extremists. Oh wait, they are already doing it.
@vroomvroom4061 2 жыл бұрын
North Korea
@gregorygregory9837 2 жыл бұрын
China and Russia
@patrickmunro5379 2 жыл бұрын
@@gregorygregory9837 when did that happen?
@patrickmunro5379 2 жыл бұрын
@@Paonporteur „you are bot though“ ? And also, breaking laws or not, due process is being violated and everyone deserves due process.
@shamrock5725 2 жыл бұрын
I "love" how speculation drives decisions.
@guynorth3277 2 жыл бұрын
That is exactly how the Republicans operate, it's all speculation, and they are gullible. Look at that Manchin character, deliberately turning down 'BBB' because he "speculated" all his folks would just use it for drugs, this fools is so outrageous!
@AyeBeeG 2 жыл бұрын
You’ll “love” the financial markets.
@livinthefilm 2 жыл бұрын
and fear.
@EmmaVB82 2 жыл бұрын
@@guynorth3277 Manchin is inexplicably a Democrat.
@guynorth3277 2 жыл бұрын
@@EmmaVB82; He is certainly out there somewhere, I cannot believe he blamed his constituents 'supposed' habits as a reason to turn things down too. Unbelievable!
@carltonp420 6 ай бұрын
I love how this is universally overlooked. For good reason ❤
@brianeffler7548 Жыл бұрын
first episode of VOX I've watched in a couple years and I forgot how great it is.
@johnchessant3012 2 жыл бұрын
I remember there was a prisoner there who compared his experience to Azkaban, saying the Harry Potter books they had in the library in Gitmo weren't so much an escape as a reminder of his situation
@grandnewton9887 2 жыл бұрын
It's modern day slavery! and you and your white people support it
@yvonneplant9434 2 жыл бұрын
The film Camp X-Ray sort of shows this.
@bubblingbubztheklown5902 2 жыл бұрын
Situation as a wizard?
@MikeDrew312 2 жыл бұрын
@@bubblingbubztheklown5902 correct..
@apollo1694 2 жыл бұрын
@@bubblingbubztheklown5902 Just like wizards, people in Guantanamo Bay can spontaneously cause explosions at will. Difference is that the wizards didn't blow the twin towers up.
@marekw4524 2 жыл бұрын
When it comes to us prisons in Poland. The US broke European human rights laws. Which fell on Poland. And not on the US
@DAndyLord 2 жыл бұрын
Which is pretty smart, really evil, but pretty smart.
@irishlostboy 2 жыл бұрын
Well, doing deals with the devil tends to cost you your soul.
@miglemigle9575 2 жыл бұрын
The same thing happened in Lithuania too
@IkeOkerekeNews 2 жыл бұрын
@Marek W Source?
@IkeOkerekeNews 2 жыл бұрын
@@miglemigle9575 Source?
@Nonya1010 Жыл бұрын
“Don’t throw out the rule book in a fit of passion. You’ll regret it” Something we and politicians all need to hear.
@arvindn 2 жыл бұрын
"Don't throw out the rulebook in a fit of passion. You'll regret it. We did" - that's an intense and gripping statement!
@MomotheToothless 2 жыл бұрын
The irony of people in the senate saying "their dangerous ideology" in regards to the prisoners of Guantanamo.
@IkeOkerekeNews 2 жыл бұрын
@Cody Churchill What is so ironic about it? Are you saying that all senators are dangerous ideologues?
@sanders555 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, I thought the exact same thing.
@leolego2 2 жыл бұрын
@@Stevie-J - also want to keep people with no charges inside a prison for decades, breaking all internal and international laws, and not submit them to the court system because they have no actual proof. And additionally, letting Bush get the majority of these people out but not Obama because their agenda is more important than actual people
@genieglasslamp5028 2 жыл бұрын
@@Stevie-J Cant tell if your describing christain extremists here or Islamic extremists abroad. Please clarify
@sanders555 2 жыл бұрын
@@Stevie-J "Wants to keep taxes reasonable"? That's not even a real political policy. Maybe politicians should also run on reasonable foreign policy, reasonable regulations, reasonable criminal justice reform, and reasonable education. Because those aren't subjective or vague at all. What are you even going on about?
@rodaxel7165 2 жыл бұрын
Yes US Hypocrisy at it's finest. We're the good guys. Who tf are you fooling? We pick and fight when we fight for human rights. When it benefits us.
@IRosamelia 2 жыл бұрын
Us? Don't you mean the military industrial complex instead? 🤔
@simmerke1111 2 жыл бұрын
They're fooling their voters who still believe Gitmo only held terrorists. Don't educate your people and they're easy to fool.
@axelfoley1406 2 жыл бұрын
Which is why Americans need to start boycotting the NBA.
@vinnieg6161 2 жыл бұрын
@@IRosamelia it's actually the people that keep supporting our current system that are to blame. Without our support they would be powerless.
@theorangeheadedfella 2 жыл бұрын
@@axelfoley1406 what does some sport thing have to do with this
@alypixar4690 Жыл бұрын
Great video
@kickinghorse2405 Жыл бұрын
"Don't throw out the rulebook in a fit of passion." Words to live by.
@julianosvonskingrad7009 2 жыл бұрын
USA: We are the freest and fairest country in the world. Also USA: Guantanamo.
@muhdhaziqhaiqal6805 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah 😂
@sinoroman 2 жыл бұрын
everything is just a slogan in america
@nad1ax2 2 жыл бұрын
That’s why they had to set up the facility outside of the US where the US rule of law couldn’t apply
@LucielStarz123 2 жыл бұрын
Without Guantanamo where would other European countries definitely shove a few of their problems there?
@Marcelg13 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah it would be better if you give these Terrorists a Home.
@jomalsanish 2 жыл бұрын
This is what happens when a country become supremely powerful over the others. They could take you and me, label us as terrorist and a threat to the people and impression us. And no one would have the right to question their decision.
@user-tl7qx1xf3d 2 жыл бұрын
exactly
@UnstoppableEmpire 2 жыл бұрын
🖤 ❤️ 🇦🇫 🇵🇰 🤍 💚 Stay strong
@Nihilist_Porcupine 2 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, we do it to our own citizens too.
@user-tl7qx1xf3d 2 жыл бұрын
@@Nihilist_Porcupine no you dont, u dont do to ur own citizens wat u did to these innocent people, not even close. US prison systems are disneyland compared to guatanamo
@trendhouse6799 2 жыл бұрын
Well, it's a good thing US power is declining then. They won't be able to get away with these things in the future so easily.
@rob-8928 Жыл бұрын
Anyone transferred back to their home country or another without a conviction should be monetarily compensated, heavily. Anyone who has not been convicted yet nor any evidence of any crime being committed should also be released and compensated. If there is a good case against them they need to be tried in court first. If convicted there should be a prison on American soil for the sole purpose of organized terrorist members. And they should still be treated humanely. Guantanamo needs to close
@simondahl5437 Жыл бұрын
Guam is not Guantanamo.
@SouthernsBBQ 2 жыл бұрын
Sam’s use of Mapbox is awe-inspiring.
@jinluvr 2 жыл бұрын
this was so well made
@maillardsbearcat 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder how much the budget is for one video
@sickomode6440 2 жыл бұрын
Yes
@jinluvr 2 жыл бұрын
@@maillardsbearcat For real. The fact that we get to see it for free blows my mind even more
@joebanks8380 Жыл бұрын
i'd love to go for a visit some day!
@jondoe9548 2 жыл бұрын
Vox makes documentaries on random topics so interesting. Appreciate the hard work. 👍👍👍
@kenimiller3896 2 жыл бұрын
Well done video. And kudos to those who did the graphics, especially those involving the prison itself, brilliantly visualized the story being told.
@claudiasanchez8996 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I would’ve been so confused without the graphics
@khoirulanam9141 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen interviews with ex-convicts of guantanamo, he went to prison without any charges, he was tortured every day, after his release he was mentally and physically disabled.
@Khayran 2 жыл бұрын
That's such a sad thing 😔
@dowoomsday 2 жыл бұрын
@@italianstalian331 proof ?
@krypticunlimited6925 Жыл бұрын
@@SilverLakeKingdom good. Every innocent person in Guantanamo or any of America's torture houses for that matter deserves that and more
@Tribuneoftheplebs Жыл бұрын
@@SilverLakeKingdom I met Omar Khadr lawyer Dennis Edney when I was in high school. He came and spoke to us about Omar's case. Great man that worked free of charge to help Omar
@Tribuneoftheplebs Жыл бұрын
@brotinger_1 he was 15 and a Canadian citizen. Even if he was guilty gitmo is not the place for a Canadian child
@chudleyflusher7132 Ай бұрын
Remember when we thought that George Bush was the most ignorant a president could possibly be? Boy, were we ever naive.
@barbosaluiz Жыл бұрын
Great visuals.
@corayye4099 2 жыл бұрын
It has been the greatest sadness of my life, falling out of love with my country and realizing everything I was taught about who we are and what we stand for, was a bold faced lie. It’s a sort of shame nothing will ever be able to wash away.
@elirifai3690 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a shame you may never be able to wash away, but why not make it a great pleasure to work and make a country you love too. History is still being written. Make it great
@AD-ui6sk 2 жыл бұрын
What country hasn’t performed evil acts
@davidalmeida2991 2 жыл бұрын
It’s not about countries and its people, it’s about the leadership and lawmakers that should but actually don’t represent the will of the People.
@davidalmeida2991 2 жыл бұрын
@@AD-ui6sk that’s a lazy and weak excuse. Just whataboutism, nothing more. If you’re not able to shame your leaders for their wrong doing you will never improve your country
@beyourself7428 2 жыл бұрын
@@elirifai3690 Hate to point this out, but the exact same can be said about Russia, China, and North Korea. There's only so much one can do, in the face of a f-ed up system.
@arthurg5966 2 жыл бұрын
So it's basically kidnapping.
@Pseudynom 2 жыл бұрын
And torturing.
@55Tonythetigar 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pseudynom for good reason though.
@Pseudynom 2 жыл бұрын
@@55Tonythetigar Because the USA is the bully of the world.
@royhuang9715 2 жыл бұрын
@@55Tonythetigar kidnapping for money must also be a good reason for you?
@BeraubtWerden 2 жыл бұрын
@@55Tonythetigar ah yes, but when china use "re education" Word it's bad
@anteradeljic6988 Жыл бұрын
The story of this prison is the prime example of blind rage.
@christinejesson-valore6439 Жыл бұрын
Legally it can't be closed. It has been quadrupled in size, at least. Many more courts to handle the incoming and put in a state of the art hospital as well. We have been using it all along and the court trial have been swift as has the punishments.
@ahsanmohammed1 2 жыл бұрын
To some US law doesn’t apply. Geneva Conventions do not apply. Yet, to others International laws apply.
@phillipsalvadorlee188 2 жыл бұрын
I agree US trying to circumvent international laws and create their own eventually comes back to bite them.
@AbhishekSharma-vf8vd 2 жыл бұрын
Example , US doesn't ratify UNCLOS but asks China to stay away from South China sea according to laws of UNCLOS.
@GigaChadlovesandcares 2 жыл бұрын
@@primalconvoy It was nothing similar to this, it was temporary detention buildings for quick interrogations. They were located in east Europe and in some Asian countries, nothing more to say. These weren’t permanent buldings, once the suspects were interrogated everyone packed their bags and left.
@williamsherman1942 2 жыл бұрын
@@primalconvoy Comparing Gitmo to those detention centers is like comparing a American prison to a Finish one, lol.
@brumach527 2 жыл бұрын
USA: it's not a warcrime it's combat unlawfulness.
@davidturner4076 2 жыл бұрын
Terrorists don't deserve rights.
@brumach527 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidturner4076 And who gets to decide which people are terrorists? Hope they are on your side...
@WinWall3227 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidturner4076 so who are terrorist?
@shaunsteele8244 2 жыл бұрын
no such thing as "war crimes", war is by definition lawlessness. Why do we believe in sanctioned killing?
@MrBassmann15 2 жыл бұрын
@@shaunsteele8244 It's part of our dwmcratic principles who make us who we are. It's also an attempt to hold people accountable who do terrible things like genocide in an attempt to deter them from happening.
@RocketMonke69420 Жыл бұрын
Like, I don't want to take away from all the experts and so on but I really think that this isn't really as complicated as some people think it is. If the government wants to do something that breaks their own laws they can just do it. Nobody is going to stop them. The only real reason they don't is because they might be worried about public opinion.
@CHUMP-CHANGE 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, people don't know that this place has been run by the US in cuba since the 1970s. I think it was named "Camp X" before they changed it. Anyone who plays games and is interested in this topic should play "Metal gear solid: ground zeros" set at US military base "Camp omega" located in Cuba in 1972 (?).
@slrae9553 6 ай бұрын
this video completely skipps the part of how the prisoners were treated
@rogeebear10023 2 жыл бұрын
Could we take a moment to process the fact that Dan Fried states that "we didn't know what to do with them and so they ended up in Guantanamo"?
@aaroncabatingan5238 Жыл бұрын
Guantanamo is just one big holding cell for terrorists and alleged terrorists. The US doesn't care, the American people doesn't care, most non-Americans don't care, why should anyone care about those people?
@liam9196 2 жыл бұрын
When they say 'hardened criminals', has this been proved in a court of law? Just curious
@vedantbhalla2571 2 жыл бұрын
Probably not, but this was most likely people who were proved to be involved in terrorist attacks etc. during interrogation or they were tagged by the US as criminals before
@royhuang9715 2 жыл бұрын
Most are not, a few maybe. Court of law doesn’t treat “evidence” obtained from torture as real evidence.
@nromk 2 жыл бұрын
Well I don't think any court can proof that someone is a hardened criminal: what courts do is try to establish if someone is guilty of a crime or misdemeanor or violation established or miscuduct in law: in this it would a possibility of conspiracy, murder, fraud, money laundering possible terror acts etc
@mankytoes 2 жыл бұрын
Same with stating these guys are "9/11 plotters"- but they've been unable to legally prove it and get a conviction in ten years? Should be "alleged" plotters.
@a.mallah9282 2 жыл бұрын
@@vedantbhalla2571 "under interrogation" i wonder how many gave false confessions under duress due to the nature of these "interrogations"
@haidermalik5744 2 жыл бұрын
I’m surprised this hasn’t been taken down
@floatingamer Жыл бұрын
3:32 had a rust sound effect lol
@jameshong5597 2 жыл бұрын
Please make more Atlas videos. There is nothing against the other videos that Vox puts out but I feel like this is one of the most informative and aesthetically pleasing series of videos from anywhere. Please make videos more often and much longer in length because these videos help break down the conflicts and situations that otherwise have been difficult to understand from the outside on a superficial level. Really love the music to the visuals, I feel like everything is nailed down really well. I used to love Borders a lot but with Atlas, it really has taken my interest and just made me drawn into the world around me and it has helped me understand the perspectives, needs, wants, impasses of both sides.
@Thebreakdownshow1 2 жыл бұрын
Had this been a Russia-run prison everyone in American politics would be up in arms and protesting. LOVE VOX AND THEIR WORK.
@lesgo791 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly what i was thinking. BW love your channel you are so underrated.
@sinoroman 2 жыл бұрын
nowadays, protests in america don't last long, people eventually give up
@Juan-mj3bm 2 жыл бұрын
Right let Russia take Ukraine who are we to stop them
@amariigavriel 2 жыл бұрын
the rest of the world probably also will "strongly condemn" it too
@SimonSwooner 2 жыл бұрын
@@Juan-mj3bm Right let the us invade and escelate the situation even more
@GoddessBlueYozakura7 5 ай бұрын
Wow I had no clue. This was quite informative but I gather many politicians aren't aware of how bad this really is.
@sanjarcode 2 жыл бұрын
Your research is correct, I've read a book that also said the same.
@Levitationable 2 жыл бұрын
Never knew these so-called "Black Sites", must've been painful.
@rolfs2165 2 жыл бұрын
I remember hearing about them as far back as 2006, when Murat Kurnaz was released from Guantanamo. It was quite a big story in Germany.
@EmelyPhan 2 жыл бұрын
I knew/heard about them through a tv show (Blindspot) when I watched it on Netflix.
@miglemigle9575 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, I've been living less than 10 km away from one and only just found out
@11energize 2 жыл бұрын
No need to speak in past tense, they still exist.
@edforres1984 2 жыл бұрын
Look up “Tim Dillion black sites” and the first video should be him giving an explanation in a comedic way
@horatiokim7141 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that we get free documentaries on KZfaq by Vox is truly a gift 👍👍👍
@Parras... 2 жыл бұрын
@Roon shut
@Parras... 2 жыл бұрын
@Roon there amazing for the price of free
@Parras... 2 жыл бұрын
@Roon 👎
@potatoeskimos 2 жыл бұрын
It’s free because it is an indoctrination program.
@erictheviking 2 жыл бұрын
Vox is a far left media site. You're the product
@sleepyfromstress6524 2 жыл бұрын
That picture of all the prisoners kneeling down with their faces covered… Which of them are innocent…? Which of them are falsely accused…? Heartbreaking…
@queenshot8739 11 ай бұрын
If this had happened in any other country it would have been called a concentration camp
@drugoviic 8 ай бұрын
bruh 911 happened to American,they have every right to even execute those criminals
@tylerhackner9731 2 жыл бұрын
The USA is not a free and fair country when something like this exists
@emrefifty5281 2 жыл бұрын
It never was
@Affluent-Ghetto-Blackman 2 жыл бұрын
It’s only free and fair for people who can afford it.
@FindecanorNotGmail 2 жыл бұрын
The degree of civilisation in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. -- Fyodor Dostoevsky
@Entername-md1ev 2 жыл бұрын
Why? These guys are terrorists
@shorthopdoublelasers4168 2 жыл бұрын
@@Entername-md1ev Based on what evidence? Do you have the documentation that proves that they're all terrorists? C'mon now
@anders_x3 2 жыл бұрын
everyone deserves a fair trial, no exceptions.
@creator-link 2 жыл бұрын
@@momartyr probably not
@Crusader677 2 жыл бұрын
@@momartyr the prisoners are not in a warzone.
@Entername-md1ev 2 жыл бұрын
These guys are terrorists they deserve torture! Don’t let anti American sentiment let you start defending global terrorists
@idkwhatnametochoose6197 2 жыл бұрын
@@Entername-md1ev most of these people have little evidence that there hardened criminals, some of them are definitely, but a lot of them have little evidence.
@nathan-ls8yw 2 жыл бұрын
you clearly have never Interacted or let alone met a terrorist or haji fighter have you? some of them deserve to take a dirt nap six feet under.
@tdkb3395 2 жыл бұрын
Feels like a situation with no clear answer and both sides of the aisle have clear and logic arguments
@Icefn6 2 ай бұрын
Why have i not heard about this before?
@proximacentaur1654 2 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on unlawful solitary confinement in the American prison system? It's possible that there are human rights violations there on a very large scale.
@CHUMP-CHANGE 5 ай бұрын
We have multiple similar camps all along the southern border for migrants. gitmo has been around since the 1970s, former name "Camp X" unless I am mistaken. I would suggest watching videos from the Camp X era, you can find them on youtube. If you play games, I would highly recommend "metal gear solid: Ground Zeros". The game is set in 1972 (?) and you infiltrate US camp "omega" located in Cuba.
@caesar7734 2 жыл бұрын
US: “Thanks for renting us this land.” Cuba: “We are not renting it to you.” US: “Thanks for renting us this land. Here is your payment.”
@williamsherman1942 2 жыл бұрын
Cuba took the check then, and we accepted it. It’s our land, we fought for it and paid for it. Doesn’t matter that Cuba once used to have it, it’s America’s soil now. Same with the used to be native Americans,
@dotacow22 2 жыл бұрын
@@williamsherman1942 right of conquest is still a thing in 2022? Didnt know that
@your_-_mom 2 жыл бұрын
@@dotacow22 we didn’t take the land in 2022 though?
@impyrobot Жыл бұрын
@@dotacow22 right of conquest is and always will be a thing as long as humanity lives
@leonardoprior8748 2 жыл бұрын
I remember a while ago I saw the movie "The Mauritanian", which was about a man that was wrongly accused and imprisoned. By far the most disturbing film I've ever seen.
@hamburgerhamburgerv2 Жыл бұрын
No idea.
@vitalyvavrinyuk7215 2 жыл бұрын
“Waterboarding at Guantanamo Bay” sounds like a really rad thing to do on a spring break until you realize what it is
@RachelSteiner 2 жыл бұрын
This is a really great intro to the issue and where we currently are - good job vox!
@NafeBlack Жыл бұрын
Just imagine the rage building up behind those walls especially for those innocent
@bengtrust Жыл бұрын
3:33 Rust shopfront noise?🤯
@raunaktiwari5940 2 жыл бұрын
Don't throw the rulebook in a fit of passion you'll regret it. Yes they did. A masterpiece line
@fabio.lous_ 2 жыл бұрын
Right?? I had to go back for that one
@saad-bc1by 2 жыл бұрын
When did they regret it
@prapanthebachelorette6803 2 жыл бұрын
Hope people learn
@AV-db5fb 2 жыл бұрын
We all condemn the atrocities committed against humans in backward countries, but what about the violence we cause through law? These men in their clean clothes and air-conditioned offices make decisions on whims that cause so much suffering ☹️
@shinichi6235 2 жыл бұрын
Baby
@AV-db5fb 2 жыл бұрын
@@shinichi6235 exactly 💯
@donmichalski2188 Жыл бұрын
It's a nice place to be I lived there stationed at the BOQ. LIVED AND WORKED THERE. FOR A SOLID YEAR. 80-81 JUNE.
@solofjh 9 ай бұрын
This video is a long version of answer the question with.. "it depends" 😂 but the map is impressive. Making the analysis business like
@Sela2125 2 жыл бұрын
We cannot be a nation that vociferously espouses the rule of law and the virtue of justice while picking and choosing what laws are convenient and when to apply them. How do we go to other nations and judge them to be unjust when we so glaringly sidestep our own legal system? Some of those men imprisoned, upon due process and a thorough evaluation of the evidence, might be guilty of terrible crimes or have intended to commit heinous crimes. However, they were brought into US custody - the circumstances of some of those arrests/captures being suspect themselves - and once they are in our hands, they are subject to all the protections National and International laws provide. Taking the high road is not easy, nor is it a guarantee of outright safety, but it is a the path we Must take if we are to live by the ideals we hold so ardently hold at the core of our nation.
@Random17Game 2 жыл бұрын
acctually yes you can (non american saying)
@hanzalaomar9915 2 жыл бұрын
US and Justice 😂😂😂
@aycc-nbh7289 8 ай бұрын
No country is perfect, but some countries are worse than others.
@little_laughs_family 2 жыл бұрын
Terrorists were brutal but this action that keeping these people here without any trial is also too brutal and inhuman.
@davidturner4076 2 жыл бұрын
Terrorists don't deserve human rights.
@skindianu 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidturner4076 be careful what you wish for. Most of the terrorists I know of aren't foreign.
@imperialpilot2164 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine being sympathetic towards terrorist
@studioromanski 2 жыл бұрын
@@davidturner4076 are u a spam bot?
@davidturner4076 2 жыл бұрын
@@studioromanski no, I just enjoy saying facts.
@spammy1982 2 жыл бұрын
I live really close to Thompson, where the gitmo detainees were going to be moved. We were not afraid of taking them and excited at the economic opportunity, only to have the plan dashed by people who don't even live here.
@ed_cmntonly 9 ай бұрын
Legit everyone except the US wants Guantanamo to close
@AmxCsifier 2 жыл бұрын
Gitmo, Abu Gharib, and the War on Terror were a huge boost to recruiting. It made it that much easier.
@kimjongun6746 2 жыл бұрын
The Guantánamo prison should be open but the criminals are not inside the prison, but they are working in United States senate and they are called American politicians
@unfinishedbiznezz 2 жыл бұрын
well said Kimmy Um
@TheZachary86 2 жыл бұрын
No Guantanamo should be handed back to Cuba. If they want to put it in the US, they can shove prisoners in Puerto Rico. That place isn’t a legit state anyway
@calebhughes975 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheZachary86 that's because Congress won't let Puerto Rico become a state. In the last referendum in 2020 52.5% of Puerto Rican citizens voted they wanted statehood but no one in Congress tried very hard to pass a bill for it since Puerto Rico doesn't have any voting Congress members.
@squadcast7456 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheZachary86 why
@DGoldy303 2 жыл бұрын
Should sell it to Cuba.
@johnsmith-so5do 7 ай бұрын
Maybe they don’t want those men on trial because they’d say “ we had nothing to do with 911 “ 😂
@ayushvarma9657 2 жыл бұрын
The content quality of Vox is simply unmatched!
@jerryrichardson2799 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the excellent report and analysis.
@TheyCallMeNewb 2 жыл бұрын
Admirable maze of bureaucracy you have there. Utterly unpassable, because entry should have been similarly impossible but wasn't.
@CustomerService-ni6wi 2 жыл бұрын
Good documentary
@SaschaEderer Жыл бұрын
Very good. I’m not convinced that it was a matter of “They didn’t want it enough” though
@TheSenzerx 2 жыл бұрын
The shadow effect on the graphics is 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼💯
@marcuscarana9240 2 жыл бұрын
I'm non American. Never heard about this prison. Really surprised to see there's an active, legal, Holocaust level prison/torture/experimentation camp operated by the US. Edit: I always knew the US had a lot of dark side. I just didn't expect it to be this dark.
@danielgiron6 2 жыл бұрын
The worst part of this is that Cuban people and government have been protesting that they dont want the prison there since decades, but what can they do against the US.
@11energize 2 жыл бұрын
@@danielgiron6 Yep, imagine an illegal torture camp is on your soil and you do everything you can to get it removed but you can't. Must be a weird feeling for them
@tracesprite6078 2 жыл бұрын
The book "Don't forget us here" is shocking but interesting.
@friendlyneighborhoodcrusad4242 2 жыл бұрын
11energize Legal torture camp*
@friendlyneighborhoodcrusad4242 2 жыл бұрын
They made it legal, what it is is immoral and inhumane.
@techfixed6393 2 жыл бұрын
"Once you start them outside the rule of law, bringing them in the rule of law's a lot trickier than you think. Don't throw out the rulebook in a fit of passion. You'll regret it."
@rushmatic 2 жыл бұрын
Politicians and prisoners of Guantanamo Bay probably have a lot more in common than either care to admit.
@Khedas 2 жыл бұрын
great vid. very interesting as a kid to see the world like this.
@rowstone3019 2 жыл бұрын
I don't like the time of Weapons of Mass Destruction, Patriot Act and war.
@offchance789 2 жыл бұрын
2 forever wars, resurgent extremism around the globe _"Mission Accomplished"_
@rowstone3019 2 жыл бұрын
@@offchance789 Your right. Yemen is still a total war zone. I'm not sure about Ethiopia.
@user-tl7qx1xf3d 2 жыл бұрын
@@offchance789 afghanistan invasion and iraq invasion made that area unstable
@carson2913 2 жыл бұрын
"weapons of mass destruction" loool it's all a lie!
@rowstone3019 2 жыл бұрын
@Zaydan Naufal It was a bad time. It doesn't matter who is in office. The government lies to us.
@y.z.7432 2 жыл бұрын
Thank u Vox
@yty1941 8 ай бұрын
Should've learnt the "eliminate first and conviction later" strategy
@Breakable_Pencil 2 жыл бұрын
Vox has been making such high-quality videos recently!
@ondrejbordovsky7752 2 жыл бұрын
For anyone interested in this, very good-quality movies are The Mauritanian and Zero Dark Thirty, both set from different view points, both based on true stories
@tylerbhumphries 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the recommendations. My job let me know we’re going to be out for the rest of the week because of the snow/ice storm. You just gave me something to watch.
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 2 жыл бұрын
Also 'Camp X-Ray' (2014) starring Kristen Stewart as a Guantanamo Bay army prison guard.
@scoopam_art 2 жыл бұрын
The more I grow up,the more I find out dark secrets about the US
@Boop__Doop 2 жыл бұрын
You forgot to talk about super Guantanamo bay
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