And yet I hardly use it at all, preferring the engine brake to settle the rear.

@@space.youtube That is completely another thing.

I don't even use brakes I just warp through objects. Brakes are for wimps.

So u're using MotoGP tech?? What a Pro 🙄

@@techtoth1 Yes, that's the whole point, that there is another thing that does the same thing you described, that is NOT the back brake.

Ah … we need kimi’s personality in motogp 🤣

What is this ? A crossover episode ?

The front brake does the most work. Rear break is used to control the slide

Bwoah

Balance and feel.

@Alex Fracyon Did I say I ONLY USE THE REAR BRAKES? I said I use the rears to throw the back out. HOW CAN I DO THAT IF I WASN'T USING THE FRONT BRAKES TO USE THE FRONT AS A PIVOT POINT? What an idiot ...

Yes, on the money. Adults in the room.

@Lorin Sanchez Or for really small riders like yours truly :v

OMFG... 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ Wheelie? 🙄🙄🙄

A fart is much more effective though. Rossi pioneered that. That's why he always adjusts his leathers at the crotch area each time he leaves pitlane.

I am a new rider and had no idea a thumb brake is a “thing”. I want one!

on road bikes ? nooo

Fabio literally just won the championship

No

@@thepsychicpeach8425 He's been at it for 3 years though. Martin has just started. Once he gets on the factory Ducati, you'll see.

@@ashterfadgadget817 both the factory and satellite Ducati teams have the exact same bike. Joan,Fabio, and Bagnaia are definitely the best “young riders “ on the grid considering they are the same age (Fabio is younger by a year) and those three have multiple championships and race wins

@@ashterfadgadget817 cough cough bastianini

The leg dangle isn't really for drag but more for stability if I’m correct

that's just common sense mate. Unless you wanna go ass over heels

@@thepsychicpeach8425 I meant at a stop light, sitting still so I don't roll...

He actually used that slide to turn sharper, if Marquez slides on the corner entry, Stoner uses the slide mid corner

@@yunan9610 fucken Marquez fanboys. Why do you lot always need to try and put him into every comment?

@@unbiasedcobra6672 bruh chill he's making an example. Why you getting worked up when he just mentions Marquez?

@@thepsychicpeach8425 I'm not your bruh. Infact I think anyone using the term bruh is a complete moron.

@@unbiasedcobra6672 don't really care what you think, your toxicity is showing tho

Need it just as much. You can keep the throttle opened. And yet keep your revs.. so you'll have more power to get out the corner too. Much like left foot braking in a car

I think so. Injury to right leg impeded his ability to use traditional rear brake.

It was developed for him by Honda in 92' when he came back from his bad leg injury and wasn't able to use it with his leg...

My first thought. Mighty Mick.. hé was so much faster that the rest wanted a thumbbrake too. 🤣

​@rafaron7761 he asked Honda to do it...

It actually not the best only Yamaha and Suzuki use them; the Honda Ducati KTM all use Big Bang engines which is the reason for their high acceleration , but is a bit too powerful and hard to control; for Big Bang engine bikes u need longer chassis Idk why I typed this stuff

@@leela4274 the main difference is not the firing order but the engine concept. Which is V4 vs. inline 4...

@@leela4274 v4s are worse at cornering than inline 4s aswell

Suzukis and yamahas motogp inline 4 engines use a special firing interval, which is very similar to the big bang firing order of the other manufacturers v4s. Its: 1- - 3 - 2 4 - 1 - - 3 - 2 4 - so its the same as one cylinder bank of a crossplane v8. However they cannot get quite as much power out of the cp4 as out of the v4s, also because the v4 rev a little higher

One reason for yamaha..because they have R1 for sale...

You wouldn't want to tho, the weight transfer on a motorcycle is too great

@@failingattempt9984 that would depend on how well the braking bias is set. It doesn't need to have massive bias to the front and the bike could still have the front brake only lever to add extra if required, and maybe a bias cancel switch to make the foot pedal, rear only again. Having foot only braking activating both wheel brakes on some corners could help a racer shave of time by better stopping and freeing up the right hand to deal with throttle and counter steering forces.

🤔🤨😒 👎

@@winnythekahuna8073 that would only work if you gas and brake the front together. That, from my limited knowledge, is a big nono

@@failingattempt9984 Forget about trying to get on the gas faster. Try blipping a motorbike on downshifting fast into a corner or fast stop without slipper clutch and auto blip. Then you will understand why I want my rear brake pedal to have a bias system. I probably should not have posted about getting on the gas faster.

The actual right answer. I can see using it as a faster way to reduce wheelspin or wheelie-ing than rolling off the throttle, but for actual braking it's borderline useless as the rear wheel is barely on the ground and the engine braking does a fine job of stopping with what grip is left on the rear tire. The only other reason is if you actually want to induce a slide because at that point it's like yanking an e-brake, but I'd like to see data on how effective that really is.

Thumb brakes are genuinely only useful on 2 strokes or MotoGP There's a reason why Sylvain Guintoli was able to win WSBK just only using the fronts

@@AKK5I Yeah, I gotta be honest, I'm getting so tired of people trying to argue with me about how "necessary" rear brakes are, the real answer is most non-hero riders are scared of the front brake for some stupid reason so they keep making cope excuses for not using it or using it as much as they should.

Then Alex Creville copied (like he did with everything Mick did) and discovered it worked quite well. A ot of riders have been using it since!

Yes, so you can manage the clutch better during launch control with your thumb u think? Obviously better to do that with your hand 🙃

For one start its enough on thumb

interesting...

Would be cool, you'd have a more fine tuned feel over the rear brake with your hand, but less over the clutch as it would be controlled by your one thumb vs 1-4 fingers. I know the riders use the rear brake going into faster turns, but on these monster liter bikes, I feel being able to slip the clutch with your fingers coming out of a corner while having your thumb help you hold onto the bike is more beneficial than being able to apply a more fine tuned rear brake force with your fingers. Still a cool idea, I bet one day we'll see that as gp bikes will switch over to gearbox setups like f1 cars and no longer need a clutch lever.

@@alekseisimone9651 nowadays they use the clutch just to start because of electronic shifters. GP shifters are basically like F1, just pull the lever

You should always use both brakes to stop

Hard to tell for certain , but sure looked like the forks we’re doing some lateral flexing

The camera ist mounted on a gyroscope

@@slovencleta Yea, with tcs you can get away with getting the power cut coming out the corners but with the brakes, corner entry is just too important

@@slovencleta yes,im also feel braking without ABS more good feeling for track but onroad i trust ABS for panic brake.but advance cornering ABS today,it can make great short braking distance better human skill.that why i confuse.

Braking is not as hard to control as it is to control the rear torque

Ko ingat kapcai 150cc ke? break depan belakang pun tak mampu untuk memberhentikan motor tu, sebab tu diorang cipta rear break tu....dalam keadaan kelajuan 180 200 nak ambil corner dengan kelajuan 80 100,ko rase boleh berhenti ke kalau break biasa?

Not to mention that many riders testify to not using it at all. Including Jorge Martin. In this clip.

Downforce...and again reduce wheelie

Haha, I came here to say the same thing but you beat me to it. A couple of years or so ago there was some awesome onboard footage of Ian Hutchinson at the Isle of Man TT, with a camera showing his left hand and thumb brake. He was on and off it all the time over bumpy sections, using it like traction control instead of rolling off the throttle.

@@timdickson5531 it’s probably more about keeping the chain tight so the swing arm moves up and down slower and less. It keeps the chassis more stable.

Likewise, I hope to see more consumer grade aftermarket options made for thumb brakes. I can see them very useful not just for off-roading when u need to put a foot down on a sharp right, but also on the street for right leg amputees or injuries.

horsepower machine

@@richard35791 In bumpy circuits, MotoGP bikes move more compared to WSBK bikes.

One is production spec .... meaning it was a street bike once from the factory. The other is a prototype and can do whatever it wants

More power and harder braking.

It’s about the tires, the tires are so stiff and sticky, you need a chassis to match it. WSBK run on normal race compound Perrelli’s and that’s an extremely flexible tire, especially after 15-20 laps, there’s less rubber on it and it’s like a marshmallow

Necessity is the mother of invention.

@@commonsensethecynosure1639 Correct, keep using it just confirms the genius of Dohan, "no strength on the leg to break, use the left hand..."

On motorbikes it is not used to slow down most of the time

Front brakes are used heaps more than rear brakes .

There are, and have been linked brake systems that operate front and rear brakes by the brake lever (or rear brake pedal) for DECADES on various street bikes (Honda, Moto Guzzi & others). They generally have not been popular with riders because there are situations where you ABSOLUTELY WOULD NOT want the front brake applied when using the rear brake (slippery/low traction surfaces) and situations where you absolutely would not want to have the rear brake applied hard when using the front brakes… Generally, an experienced rider DOES NOT want a mechanical system that overrides his control of which brake (front or rear) he wishes to apply, and instead applies BOTH front and rear at the same time. Why would a half-way competent rider wish to give up that level of control? Also, there were/are issues with reducing braking feel and feedback (sometimes even performance/efficiency of the brakes overall, as some force was diverted to the rear or front brake, and the extra length of brake tubing and fluid introduced issues)… Even performance & race cars have adjustable proportional brake valves to alter the amount of force (bias) between the front and rear brakes… that WOULD NOT be necessary if there was no advantage to being able to adjust & set the braking effect between the front & rear wheels- imagine a car storming into a corner under hard braking while heading for the apex… now imagine that the majority of the braking force is going to the rear wheels as the lateral loads (g-force) increases and the weight transfers forwards- it would be easy for the rear wheel brakes to exceed the limits of tire traction, lock the rear wheels and spin the car… (obviously ignoring traction control and ABS to make a point here) For both cars and motorcycles, it is helpful to transfer weight forward, “loading”the front end and compressing the suspension when cornering. For novices that are “scared” of using too much front brake (or NEVER use the rear brake), a linked system may have benefits, but barring a large advance in computing/programming bordering on A.I., most riders I know, and most reviews of bikes with linked brake systems seem to have a NEGATIVE opinion of those systems…

@@erikarneberg11 thank you, wonderful explanation. i have riding motorcycle for 18 years but never try on race motorcycle, i hope one day i have opportunity to try. have a great day.

I've seen some riders who also have that stunt rider rear brake. More in WorldSBK. Honestly i think it originated from the grid coz apparently its existed for quite some time

Apparently Stefano Domenicali (F1 CEO) is close friends with Paolo Campinoti (Pramac owner), so Domenicali requested that the Pramac bikes carry the F1 logo

@@krishnashankar2675 damn Right

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