Why Is This Plane Special Stanley Gage Plane

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Жыл бұрын

What is a gauge plane? it is a plane made by gage and then later produced by Stanly Rule and level. The gage plane was intended to make it easer to set up the plane after sharpening. there were several other versions made by other companies such as Sargent Autoset planes.
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@RexKrueger Жыл бұрын

Damnit, James! I should have made this video!

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

If only I had known!

@chriscunicelli7070 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining that James I’ve often wondered what gauge plane was about

@yooper5638 Жыл бұрын

The Stanley Gage metal bodied plane came out in 1920, after Stanley bought out the Gage Tool Company. They made these until about WW2. Interestingly, the Stanley Gage's side profile is almost exactly copied from an 1870's Leonard Bailey 'Defiance' plane design, which Bailey produced after parting ways with Stanley in the early 1870's (Stanley ultimately took ownership of most of Bailey's patents after an epic series of infringement lawsuits). Stanley was pretty ruthless when it came to eliminating competition.

@chris-C8 Ай бұрын

Great video! I've learned a ton from your videos and recently picked up a Sargent "VBM" auto-set plane to go with my Stanley No. 5 type 18. I hope to get a No. 7 next. I hear they make a big difference when jointing.

@davidjames1482 4 ай бұрын

Thanks James. Very informative.

@blacknorce 10 ай бұрын

Great job exploring the difference between the planes. I have never seen the gauge ones.

@timbo389 Жыл бұрын

Usually the Sargent lever cap screw is just a knurled screw like the Gage. I suspect this has been replaced.

@mikecurtin9831 Жыл бұрын

Good stuff. Like Arnold said, "I'll be back."

@slaughterhammer 4 ай бұрын

I tried retrofitting a standard Bailey plane (a cheap Spear&Jackson No. 3 of Amazon) with those Veritas style setscrews and making the lateral adjuster stiff enough so it won't move on its own and find that it gets you very close to the result you got of the Gage plane. You don't get zero adjusting after sharpening, but you're already close. IMHO better than the Veritas Norris style adjuster wich won't hold it's lateral setting. Now thinking about fitting all my metal planes with those setscrews.. However, since I got those CPM Magnacut irons, I don't sharpen that often...

@johnhiemstra1464 Жыл бұрын

Hmm now you need an autoset camera so we don't have to look at your feet. Lol. The one take away for me was the fact that the veritas planes have those set screws. I have their low angle planes and have never used those because I didn't know what they were for. Thank you James!!!!

@Lokxe Жыл бұрын

Great detail and history. I acquired a Stanley Gage #3 (1920 patent date on bed so assuming Stanley) a while back in a random assorted box of planes and it looks so unique next to my others. Nice to learn a little more in addition to my own investigation into what it was.

@ManuelGarcia-ww7gj Жыл бұрын

I am thinking that the simpler the better. Thank you for your efforts and quips.

@timothymallon Жыл бұрын

I've got a Sargent 718 Autoset. It's got an adjustable front knob that allows you to use it more like a shooting board plane. That all being said, I never use it. I cleaned it up, made it work great aaaand...it sits on my shelf.

@mihailmihaylov9617 Жыл бұрын

Record StaySet - best of both worlds :) They even come already painted blue :D

@allenguffey9370 2 ай бұрын

Great video as always

@robnichols9331 Жыл бұрын

Presumably the more you do small sharpens (finest stone and strop) often, the more the Gage system works. If you only sharpen occasionally and need to go through all the stones, the more likely the squareness and length of blade change and the alignment is thrown out.

@tommoeller7149 Жыл бұрын

I had never heard of these until now. You continue to be a veritable font of knowledge. Thanks! Tom

@pezeshki Жыл бұрын

Nice video! TOTALLY anecdotal -- I have a full complement of Gage planes. I've found that the steel in the irons is superior to regular Stanley issue. And yeah -- I have all the Stanley, and Bedrock sizes. So you don't have to believe me -- just more fun!

@uncut_cowboy Жыл бұрын

Zero wasted time, thank you!

@michaeldoto4673 Жыл бұрын

James, this plane seems like a perfect candidate for converting to a scrub plane. Fixed open mouth, no need for lateral adjustment, limited sharping frequency, and really, only depth of cut is needed. What do think?

@dukebuildsem2378 Жыл бұрын

I'd like one of these, just as an addition to my collection. Great vid 👌

@thomashverring9484 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting as always, James! I'm just glad that I mostly use wooden planes. I find them much easier to work with and much easier to adjust. Not that I don't have any metal planes! Or that I don't intend to buy a few more :^) It's just all these knobs, screws, dials, and adjusters-they take my focus away from the wood 😵😅

@mypony891 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. That was real interesting! This type of video and the how to videos are what I subscribed to you for

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

I'll keep them coming. I try to do a couple videos like this every month. And every Thursday is either a technique or a tool talk.

@MCsCreations Жыл бұрын

Pretty interesting indeed! Thanks for the history lesson, James! 😃 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

@Heseblesens Жыл бұрын

Very interesting hand planes. Great video James!

@dannyhale7645 Жыл бұрын

Great video. I've wondered about those planes, but never knew much.

@brendanlangord1687 Жыл бұрын

Great video. Very interesting and informative. By the way, love the T-shirt.

@neilstutely3147 Жыл бұрын

You didn't mention the mighty Record Stay Set. Doesn't get rid of lateral adjustment but does mean you don't have set the chip breaker every time.

@JuanRivera-wm2um Жыл бұрын

I would love to have all of those hand planes just to look at them. Maybe use one or two of them also.

@MartinPaulsen87 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

@careykitson1155 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the explanation. I have one of these and haven’t looked into it yet.

@janjaapvdijk Жыл бұрын

FYI a Dutch tool seller named Ducotools has two wood bodied versions on their site. Steep but not the most expensive, in fact cheaper then the metal bodied router planes.

@robertberger8642 3 ай бұрын

Interesting!

@clydedecker765 Жыл бұрын

Nice treatise but without the writing .. its just a little bit off ... I think we need to give it a bit more thought ... Or just put up with the Stanley Lateral adjustment. Less fidgety... 😉😊🤔

@kennethleitner1337 Жыл бұрын

I cannot read what it says in your tee shirt, but the square root of -4 is 2i....thanks for another great teaching video

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

it says "it is all fun and games until someone losses and i"

@kennethleitner1337 Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo hope it is an i, and not anD i.....one of the great inventions of mathematics (quoting, I believe, Sir Michael Atiyah)

@steh8217 Жыл бұрын

As brilliant as a perfect Auto-set would be .. lets not forget how useful a lateral adjuster is 😁

@dpmeyer4867 Жыл бұрын

thanks

@elioth.g.w2976 Жыл бұрын

I think I have watched to many videos of planes (I know it's not possible), I can now tell by the sound when the cut is heavy / light !

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

That is one of the best ways of you can not feel it.

@adamtoth7474 Жыл бұрын

I have a number G6 stanley Guage plane. I've been trying to find info on it thanks! I actually really like it. I use it for thicker cuts. Because its auto set, I soften the edges and its almost a scrub plane

@justinsane332 Жыл бұрын

it takes some adjusting, but i dont find the veritas system to be pretty good once i used it for a bit. the grub screws are awesome, and i love that they put them on almost every plane. I read Chris Swartz take on the blade set up the vetitas custom plane uses and it helped me to understand its benefits, and now im pretty neutral on them.

@mikeking7470 Жыл бұрын

Is the frog attached with a rivet or a "ribbet"? 10:38

@lincolndickerson1293 Жыл бұрын

So many fun planes, so many fun planes, so many fun planes🫠

@r.m.peters6636 2 ай бұрын

you briefly mentioned the Sargaent was a heavier body... does it have thicker castings than the Stanley Gage?...

@What_Other_Hobbies Жыл бұрын

Good tool or not, market share usually tells a convincing story. At least for old tools. Marketing may be aggressive back then but it reached far fewer people comparing to a KZfaq video or an Instagram reel today.

@danow01 Жыл бұрын

I have a G4 that was my grand dads. I restored it. One thing I noticed on the cap is 2 screws that go in a slotted bore. Are they to adjust the chip breaker? I would never get rid of this plane... I love it but I am curious how much it could be worth.

@billtiffin8298 Жыл бұрын

Cool

@alexanderkononov1113 Жыл бұрын

Nice

@t.armstrong3119 6 ай бұрын

I just acquired a Sargent 711 and find the setup difficult compared to the Stanley Bailey style. Exactly how far should the chip breaker be from the blade edge?

@WoodByWrightHowTo 6 ай бұрын

It depends on the work you want but for 90%of the work mine is between 1/16 and 1/32"

@RonHoglund Жыл бұрын

Interesting

@BradsWorkbench Жыл бұрын

No wonder they shot up in price. Between u and rex, ill never afford one now lol 😂

@peteannells4218 Жыл бұрын

Interesting that they made things you didn't know you didn't need back then too ! I imagine that a self setting plane is like auto-correcting text...a pain in the horse ! How many planes would a time-served tradesman actually own (in the US) ? It was usual in my father's time ( in the UK )to have a tool chest (or the wood for it) as an apprentice and your tools had to fit. He had a 6 and a 4, a rebate (no rabbits...) a duplex, a block and a combination together with a wooden granny tooth plus two spoke shaves. A tradesman couldn't get #instant dismissal; he had 1 hour to sharpen his tools ! And you went with your box.

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

It would depend on the trade. a cabinet maker may have 30-50 planes in the shop. a rough carpenter may only have 2-3 as they get lugged tot he worksite.

@peteannells4218 Жыл бұрын

@@WoodByWrightHowTo Of course, those sets of wooden moulding planes. I have a few that I use for picture frames.

@danielr.schafer9504 Жыл бұрын

Tell me about that shirt! I don’t get it… planes, love em, so many tho!

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

It is a math joke. There is an "i" missing from the equation.

@RayPost-lv7mz Жыл бұрын

Does anyone sell replacement blades for Gage planes? My old Gage #4 blade is pitted. TX

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

not that I know of new. I want to say Hock use to but I do not see them now. you can find old ones on the online sellers check out www.HandToolFinder.com

@emeryhersh8702 Жыл бұрын

I actually found one of these in an antique store for $5 it has the name hsb and co on the blade and the sole says patent applied for. No Stanley name on it whatsoever 🧐

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

Well great! Sounds like you have a fun one there.

@Existenseriet Жыл бұрын

👌

@johnnysmythe7767 Жыл бұрын

👍👍

@irwinmanchester6742 9 ай бұрын

Hi there

@davewest6788 Жыл бұрын

Autoset comment. Sort of a great comment but falls just a little short.

@RichardBuckman Жыл бұрын

I always wondered why there isn’t a plane that will have a mechanism that switches between the angle it should be sharpened and the angle it is used at while pushing the blade down so that you can just use it like a plane on the sharpening stones and then switch it again so that it would be smoother to go back and forth. Maybe the same reason this seems to be more annoying than it’s worth, I guess

@gregsnewyt Жыл бұрын

The problem would be the softer cast iron vs the hardened tool steel blade would quickly wear away on the sharpening stone leaving you with an out of true sole on the plane. Interesting idea though.

@RichardBuckman Жыл бұрын

@@gregsnewyt it’s not a fully formed idea, but what I was thinking involved a jig of some sort so the plane would ride on something outside the stone which I guess makes it even less appealing in some ways. It could make it so you don’t have to take the whole thing out to sharpen though in theory. The tricky part would be designing something which wouldn’t need to be re-adjusted in between since that would make it somewhat pointless.

@michaeleverest3442 Жыл бұрын

why not look at the bed rock version

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

I've done a video in the past on bedrock. But every time I get one of the shop I end up giving it away will be one of these days I should keep a couple and do a video on it

@michaeleverest3442 Жыл бұрын

When I started watching Rob Cosman I already had bailey style planes. But, when he gave the bedrock demo it made sense to go in that direction. The adjustments seem to be much easier to make.

@WoodByWrightHowTo Жыл бұрын

A lot of people love them i just found the benefits to be very minor in actual use. not be worth the expense. but that is what makes this fun there is no best for everyone.