I bought my last Camry in 1998. I haven't needed a new car. 500,000 miles, just put on fourth timing belt. No Korean car is going close to that. My 1993 Camry has 800,000 on it. Original engine, tranny, alt, wheel bearings. Only thing replaced was AC compressor. It ain't even close. Gotta be in it for the long haul. I won`t even talk about my 1992 pickup.

Buying Toyota vehicles have been one of the best financial decisions I have made. Every Toyota I have bought outlasted its competitors by far. I have four kids so obviously couldn’t afford new vehicles when they turned 16. I ended up bought used Camry vehicles and a Honda CR-V at well over 100K miles and 2003 Camry V6, 2005 Toyota Camry (2), a 2008 Honda CR-V. My kids now have grad and their Toyota and Honda have been driven past 200K miles and still running strong with few issues. My 2005 Toyota Sienna drove past 330K miles without major repairs, now I am driving a 2021 Toyota Sienna Hybrid that is still running flawlessly at 93K miles. Toyota parts are so easily accessible for less and Toyota dealers and Toyota mechanics are everywhere.

The 2020-2023 2.5 Camry will go down in history as one of the best, simple, low-maintenance cars under $30k. 300k miles is almost guaranteed if you change the oils 👍

Great Video. I got lucky. I purchased new a 2009 Hyundai Sonata and my wife got a new 2013 Hyundai Elantra. So I have the engine that Hyundai got right. Manifold fuel injection and before they changed how they manufactured the engine (where they left a lot of debris and created other issues). I've got over 300,000 miles on my Sonata with no engine issues (I also run Mobile 1 and change oil /filter typically every 5000-6000 miles: First oil change at about 2000 miles). My wife also has the Elantra engine before they moved to direct injection (which created a lot of engine issues). She has well over 200,000 miles on it (we also use Mobile 1 with 5000-6000 mile oil/filter changes and did an early 1st oil change). Other than routine wear and tear items - no major repairs on either car. Biggest thing I did was replace the struts on the 2009 Sonata. My wife hit some debris that damaged the catalytic converter and she had to replace that. Tires, brakes, fluid changes, windshield wipers, headlight and other bulbs, etc.

Good advise for general public and car ownership habits. It doesn't work for someone who works on their own and keep it until it's no longer economical to keep repairing. I.E., owner of a 27 year old Geo Prizm and couple of 17 year old Honda Accords will tell you most Toyota's and some Honda's will outlast a Hyundai by a decade or more. And more modern design means more modules, sensors, screens will fail, often without factory support after that much time.

Thank you for compiling this data.

I'm not putting anyone in a Hyundai or Kia. Not even an enemy.

my brother got 2020 hyundai and ALREADY burning OIL! less than 20,000 mile.

Great information, thank you for sharing your knowledge!

When you said that age gets to the car as much as miles I have a 99 corolla

Makes sense! Thanks for the content!

thank you for your insight. always nice when mechanics back up their claims with facts. this will help me buy my next car. too many mechanics speaking out of their rear end with no data to back up their claims. you are a mature and educated individual. thank you for not fear mongering.

Great info it really has helped me so thank you

But the Toyota will easily do another 100,000 miles without major repairs. The Hyundai would be lucky to do 50,000.

I learned one thing over the years it's pay now or pay later. Buy a better car you pay now buy a cheaper car you pay latter.

My 2011 Camry hasn't needed any major repair. Doesn't even burn oil. Wife's 1998 Rav4 just had the original exhaust replaced. Everything including the AC still works. Still original.

I bought a brand new Toyota truck and had NOTHING BUT failures with just about every system. Bad seal on a oil filter caused engine to seize, then I had nothing but problems after that. Main ignition wiring harness would heat up and it wouldn't start had to wait for it to cool down and then having dealerships charge me for something that they did not fix... It was a huge joke. Had to fight to get them to fix anything wrong with it under warranty, had to go through arbitration, talking with district managers because dealerships suck and were not willing to help. I went through 3 rear main seals. One thing after another, when people talk to me about Toyota quality and lasting a long time I'm sorry but I laugh at them... After 1.5 years, yes one and a half years I had racked up enough repair slips that were as thick as a phone book or bible... In contrast I bought a brand new Chevy silverado and had nothing but greatness and reliability, the Chevy has never let me down and it's almost 30 years old now..... I am not ignorant to all the changes since I bought my truck, from what I hear almost ALL vehicles have become unreliable, and doesn't matter the make or model they pretty much all suck and have issues, GM, Ford, Mopar etc... too much tech in my opinion, they should go back to simple designs and less features and options. I would love a truck that has a simple throttle body injection system with a straight 6 or V8 with no turbo's or whatnot and no electronic touch screen tech, a truck for me is a tool and that is what I need it for to tow and haul things.

I don't think it has to be that toyota owners love their cars more. It can be a simple math problem also. If your car has a blue book of 10K, that 8K repair is horrible. If your car has a blue book of 16K, that 8K repair is not as bad.

I'm a Toyota owner. on my second Toyota. my first was 2007 Toyota Camry XLE v6 excellent engine. at 168K on it was still worth $5000. trade it for 2012 Toyota Venza AWD XLE v6 the same engine only this time with AWD system very happy with Toyota.

I live in Ontario, Canada, and the salt on the winter roads here rusts out cars so fast! Meanwhile, older Toyotas are still crazy-high in price compared to other makes. So you wind up paying a premium price for just a pile of RUST if you buy a 10-year-old (or older) Toyota for half the price of what a new Toyota costs. The much better plan is to just buy a new Toyota, a cheaper base Corolla LE instead of a top-level Camry.

Yes. I owned the same car for 20 years. No issues.

What is the resale value on the 2017 Camry and Sonata? You mentioned 10k for a 2012 Camry with probably 150k miles. I would bet a Sonata with same age and miles is around 3k resale. So in the same sense the Toyota wins in resale and less likely to have higher repair bills.

My new Japan-built 2020 model year Toyota (built in late 2019) was a bag full of problems, issues & defects, & needed towing on several occasions for various failures after leaving me stranded across town. The Toyota dealership I purchased it from was apathetic & not very helpful on every occasion. I only kept it for 2 years & 10K miles before finally ditching it out of frustration for a 2022 Mazda CX-30 CE (my first-ever Mazda purchase) - which has been completely problem, issue, & defect free for over 2 years now.

Your analysis makes sense in dollars and cents; however, car buyers also take into consideration styling, comfort, ride, vehicle dynamics and handling; and there's an emotional component as well. I owned a 2018 Mazda CX5 from new. Loved the styling and the driver centric theme; it was pretty trouble-free but getting up there in mileage. This time around I bought a Toyota because I want to keep it forever.

@ShadetreeAutomotiveLayton appreciated the cost analysis of the 2023’s for $25,000 and also the expected retail value after six years. But you didn’t include buying a used 2017 for $10,000 - $16,000 with what the retail might be after a few years. I still think you’re further ahead buying a used Toyota for $16,000 that you will still have equity in to resell in several years. The $10,000 Hyundai in several years will be worth far less. You’re also right that a catastrophic failure on an older Kia usually means it goes to the scrapyard or sold for peanuts, where a Toyota is more likely to be repaired. But even if somebody repairs a catastrophic failure in a Kia/Hyundai, when it comes to resale, you won’t get any more (or less) for it. It ends up eating up the last of the equity someone has into their Kia/Hyundai if it survives 10-15 years.

Great analysis. Thanks for sharing.

the issue I am finding buying older, used toyotas, is people think they can do the minimal maintenance on them. never change cabin or engine filters. not enough oil changes. So, I end up with a car that consumes oil (2009 camry), or one that needs it's entire front end suspension replaced, 2009 venza, along with fresh fluid exchanges. they also want more than the cars are actually worth because of the toyota reliability label. so, what's worse is I feel like I stupidly overpaid for cars I still have to put a bunch of money into. the used car market sucks, but, I was not going to buy teenagers 3-4yo CPO cars. I almost feel like I should have bought a 2015 ford escape for $7000 vs the Venza, and taking my chances on a new transmission. I'd still be way ahead.

To even compare a Toyota Camry to any Hyundai is pure automotive blasphemy.

I have a 2016 Sonata that I bought for 10k with 33k miles in 2018. It now has 134k miles and the only issue with it is the EXCESSIVE oil burning (1 qt every 800 miles). Nothing has failed I’ve only had to do normal maintenance. I have wanted to sell the car and get a Toyota but it’s hard to fault the car when it has been nothing but good to me. I do oil and filter every 5k and only let it get a half qt low. I’ve done all other maintenance at the proper intervals as well. So now I am going to see how many miles I can get before it doesn’t make financial sense to repair it. I think the way you take care of your car it’s more important than who made it. That being said my next vehicle will be a Toyota.

What’s funny about this debate is that most people would not put this much thought into reliability,they buy on emotion. My wife likes jeeps for some reason but I have to tell her reasons to not buy them. I have driven Hondas for decades now and they have been put through the wringers and the only time one left me stranded was three years ago in -44 temps. I was heading to work in my ‘14 5 speed Civic coupe in northern Alberta and after driving all day from the warmer coast,I got there and shut the car off. The air intake boot tore open because of the temp outside after running for 14 hours hot and then getting that cold while sitting for a couple hours.Genuine Honda intake boot was only 25$ so I keep a spare in my trunk now. 😊

i do oil change for friends’ car for fun. I see oil consumption for Optima and Sonata at 40-50k miles.

My 2016 Lexus is 300 is the first vehicle I've owned that doesn't burn oil...yet Just hit 85K. Doesn't burn a drop. Hope my luck continues

Had a friend that had the same choice, went with the older toyota. Transmission failed her a year later.

I totaled my 2010 Corolla and 100% plan on buying another Corolla. They're really good cars.

2019 Corolla 88k miles for 11k private sale, deals are out there! You just have to wait.

In real life, the initial purchase price of a Sonata is at least 2-3 thousand dollars less than the Camry.

Speaking from experience Toyota to 300k maintenance: Oil change every 5k or 6 months no exceptions. Tranny fluid and coolant 60k/6 years. Spark plugs 120k/10 years. Pray your suspension lasts or has only minor problems. 200k+ suspension problems start to crop up depending on how you drive. Pray your cat doesn't die. Do tires/brakes/12v battery as needed. That's about it. But no, you can't maintain a Toyota to 300k with just oil changes.

After 6 or 7 years, the Hyundau/Kia will probably need a new engine or tranny. My 2012 Camry with over 300K still runs like a Seiko clock. I hardly see any Sonata over 6 years old on the road today. The same as Korean appliances. My old GE refrigerator was almost 30 years old till I got tired of it and replaced it with a SS, French door, and fancy LG. It broke down after 7 years. My old Kenmore washer lasted decades before I replaced them with a very expensive Samsung. The Samsung washer does not do a good washing job and the screen keeps shutting off to the extent that I cannot even turn it on/off. Eventually I will go back to the basics and purchase a top load Maytag or a Speed Queen if I have more budget.

2017 hyundai with 85K miles on it worth ZERO $. that $10,000 is all profit. thats the price they sell it to YOU.

I know of a guy with a Hyunda has had 3 engines before 130k. My immediate family between 7 toyotas has 2.2 million never replaced an engine. Anybody that thinks Hyunda are close to Toyotas is clueless.

You should count the lower depreciation costs for Toyota & higher insurance costs due to theft for Hyundai

Buy the best Toyota you can afford if you plan on keeping the car. If you just lease and never own you can buy nearly anything and not have any problems. (Except Dodge Hornets and Alfa Romeos)

I have a 2017 Camry LE with 37K miles on it. Should I trade it in for a new one ? I know it doest have much mileage but its now 7 years old. I could get a decent amount fir trade in while the mileage is still low, pay cash for difference for new one...

You are rare nowadays even having loaners to use. Wish I had not let my bias get in the way nine years ago and gotten a toyota instead of a nissan for my wife. Would most likely not have to be replacing it soon. Though it does have just over 200,000 on it.

I really wonder, as of today, April 1st 2024, how much of the Toyota/Honda legendary quality is true, when compared to American, German or Korean makes?...from my experience of 43 years of driving, I think vehicle quality is much higher than 30-40 years ago...

I have a 2023 Honda Accord EX. What Honda recommends for gas to use is debatable. I have been filling the car up with 91 Octane. On the highway I saw I was getting 49 MPG. Does higher octane give better gas mileage?

You guys produced nice video, Are you open to work with other shop?

bc the Hyundai are all burning oil after 60k and will need new engines if they aren’t stolen. Sonata and optima’s aren’t even comparable to Camry

Think Toyota will ever make a 2500 or 3500 dually?

The Toyota Camery the earlier ones l mean 20 to 25 years old still plenty of them still driving around and this in N.S.W Australia were we nave yearly rego checks and my 27 year old Hilux is still running well

The only sedan with a turbo id recommend ia the 10/11 gen Honda civic. Of course they dont have the perfect track record but its a ton better than any korean car brand (hyundai, kia, genesis) ive had my honda civic 1.5 turbo for 6+ years now and have no jssues.

Not sure about the Toyota future though, with the new turbos, and general engine changes.

The cost per mile is cheaper on the toyota at every year.

I’m confused on why you would compare a Toyota with a Hyundai. The better comparison would be a Toyota with a Honda and then maybe a Hyundai with it’s Kia sibling or something like a Chevy Malibu. I also question your “average price”. I live in a low cost part of the country and I’d be hard pressed to find a Camry with 20k miles for 25k. Same with Hyundai or any car for that matter with such low miles. It’s funny to me how you acknowledge the Hyundai’s much greater chance of catastrophic AND faster depreciation but still see it as a more “sensible” buy in certain scenarios such as a fleet purchase. The only way I see this as a win for your business is if you can write off the depreciation and added expenses that a Hyundai provides. Either way, your not really looking out for the customer or even your own interests if you “invest” in a car that might leave your customer stranded or take time out of one of your service bays to have repaired. Unless someone owns a shop, this video is really of no use to the average car buyer. And even if you are a car shop owner….why would you invest in a tool or car that you know will fail more times than the greater option, depreciate faster and yield you less money when you sell that car?

I can't believe you would even CONSIDER a Hyundai or Kia, especially after the warranty has expired at 85K miles. (Blown engines and safety concerns!) Their quality and safety is abysmal and manufacturer support post-warranty is notorious. To me it is a no brainer to buy the Toyota Camry. If you want a cheaper, safer, reliable and better cost effective buy get a Nissan. Just get ready to swap out the crappy CVT at 85K. Stick to TOYOTA or HONDA and everyone will be happier. You do get what you pay for.

Toyotas depreciate slower because their engines dont grenade themselves at 100-120k due to bearing and ring defects the way Hyundai/Kia do.

I would never buy a used Sonata unless I know someone took care of it. If i only have 10k budget, i’d rather buy older camry which would stand abuse much better than a sonata.

Thank you. This is the kind of stuff we need. Add it to Scotty's bias and it is a form of confirmation.

Ive financed 3 toyota products without any warranty,no issued or repairs,just maintenance oil,filters etc,the 2nd toyota avalon bought for 18 grand,drove it for 4 years and traded it in and got 18 grand.for a frod mustang gt that ended up a pos,with bearing material in oil catch can with 4,000 miles.Toyota for me until they start selling junk like the rest

A "courtesy" for our customers? That's salesman speak, unless you're actually donating these for free and have donations cover the cost of giving them to your customers. You meant to say offer the "service", as your customers are indeed paying for it. The deceptive salesmen language grinds my gears, which is I always repair my vehicles myself.

Why not Accord?

Toyota makes a great vehicle. The problem, they are too expensive. I went through this in 2020. The engine on my old Chrysler TandC died. I had to buy a new used car. A 2017 Toyota Sienna at that time was going for $26k. A 2017 Chrysler Pacifica was going for $ 16k. Both same mileage 25k miles. Guys, I bought the Chrysler. The Toyota isn't worth $10k more. That is the reality.

Better stay away from them hyundai 2.4 GDI engines. I've had dozens towed into my shop with blown engines due to the low friction piston ring issues. Taking up to 3 months to get the new engine installed by the dealers under extended warranties implemented by a judge due to class action lawsuit. Kia's too!

Sorry, but for the current generation, I would easily take the base trim Corolla over the base trim Civic, any day.

the koreans are catching up very quick. i can’t wait to see how reliable the kias and hyundais of today are. they will only get better.

You go on for at least 13 or 14 minutes indicating that a Toyota Camry is a better vehicle than the Hyundai Sonata-I think you should change the title of your video.

Toyotas are expensive as hell nowadays even the used ones. Some people just need a vehicle asap to get to work and thats usually when the Nissan versas, hyundais, or kias come into the picture. Everyone knows how cheap Nissans, Hyundais, or Kias are. For the people that can afford it, and want a long lasting vehicle, Toyotas and Hondas are your best bet.

Id take the Toyota any day… Japanese versus Korean quality

Ok lets do american cars,Ford,Chevrolet and Dodge ect.

$8,000 for a Camry engine replacement? No thanks

Man Hyundai/Kia are trash. I've had to go through 2 engines both below 50k miles. I did my oil changed every 4k miles and luckily car was a gift and it was under warranty. But it's a horrible brand.

Korean car, I don't think so.

I've owned 2 toyotas.. No thanks!! I'll stick with my domestics!!

Long time Toyota owner of many makes... currently only a 2006 Corolla and 2014 Tundra. Both vehicles have been rock solid. I would never buy a Hyundai or KIA.... Japanese all day long. Sorry dude you are way off on this subject. Just stick to repairing vehicles. NO mechanic would recommend a Hyundai over a Toyota.

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There is never a point in time when buying a POS Hyundai/Kia is a good idea. I rather drive an electric powered shopping cart.

You be lucky a Kia or Hyndi would last that long. Thre are no rebuild engine for sale Thats how bad they are designed and manufactured.

All new vehicles depreciate a great deal first 3-5 years. Buying new unless it is a super deal is always a money loss. Toyota’s are reliable enough to buy a 5 yr old and it will still last for long time. If budgets affords, why not to get a new car, but if it is limited, a 3-5 yr old Camry will still be a good choice and will last for yrs. Hyundai is a total lottery, and I personally do not like to gamble.

Hyundai's & Kia's have horrible engines.

I wouldn’t buy a Hyundai or a Kia if they gave away new ones for FREE! I’ve owned 2 Hyundai and 4 Toyota’s I will NEVER own another Hyundai again!!! Terrible vehicles!!

CRAP! Both Toyota and Honda are good.

This guy is being paid by huyndai

Toyota fan boys. They like them because they still run even after they are abused. Bunch of bs

What a waste of 16 minutes of my life! Did not learn anything. Who buys 6yo car…a mechanic maybe.,.

I will always chose to pay more for the Toyota because they dont have the breaking down issues the other brands have