The Problem With NCT

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KOOKIELIT

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4 ай бұрын

SM has cancelled the limitless concept of NCT and the last unit NCT WISH is causing quite a stir online due to Haechan's latest live stream in which he revealed he is not close with the members. Why did NCT's concept fail and what was SM thinking when they came up with it?
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@htetlinoo3587
@htetlinoo3587 4 ай бұрын
Honestly the concept isn’t a problem. The way SM management & handling was a problem. They got so much potential
@nubiansnowchic
@nubiansnowchic 4 ай бұрын
THIS!!!!! 💯
@ngl127
@ngl127 4 ай бұрын
idk aside from that the graduation system is just shit for me, you cant just let a member go cause theyre old😭
@pearlball62507
@pearlball62507 4 ай бұрын
I feel like Nct Wish shhould not have been a part of Nct... they are getting a very cold reception, they should've been a separate group like Riize
@arien_000
@arien_000 4 ай бұрын
​@@pearlball62507 I think they're okay. The cold reception is due to the fact that most NCT fans are already a bit mature and Wish members are all babies. They'll be able to build their own fandom as long as people who aren't feeling them leave them alone.
@simonbonde9123
@simonbonde9123 4 ай бұрын
nct u could have been used much more for example
@NippyBooks
@NippyBooks 4 ай бұрын
"NCT was" "They were" girl, they STILL ARE! Stop talking like they disbanded and just got kicked out of SM...
@chenles_defender
@chenles_defender 4 ай бұрын
I feel like she is using past tenses on purpose to make the video more dramatic.
@angelanam793
@angelanam793 4 ай бұрын
@@chenles_defender Seems like she has a habit of doing that in most of her videos.
@chenles_defender
@chenles_defender 4 ай бұрын
@@angelanam793 I have noticed it too in her other videos.
@marayinyangg
@marayinyangg 3 ай бұрын
Right!! Got me pissed off over here
@sorntrash
@sorntrash 2 ай бұрын
I don’t think that was her intention as I didn’t hear anything of the sort throughout the whole vid.
@jessi5288
@jessi5288 4 ай бұрын
I don’t think it FAILED so much as it required more work than sm expected.
@vixxexo6855
@vixxexo6855 4 ай бұрын
NCT are still pretty succesful and legit almost every 4th gen boygroup has copied their songs atleast once. NCT also have very succesful songs like The 7th sense, Kick it, Make a wish, Hot sauce, Love talk and Boss. I don’t think NCT failed.
@bobateaworld4211
@bobateaworld4211 4 ай бұрын
​@vixxexo6855 the new unit made them fail
@happypeeingdoyoung
@happypeeingdoyoung 4 ай бұрын
NCT Wish is a step in the wrong direction- we already have Nct Dream. After announcing that the limitless system was over, they would have left it at that cause the other groups have yrs of experience, a clearly targeted age group and huge established audiences. I mean, Nct members themselves are finding it hard to bond with those new kids and quite frankly, I can't bring myself to stan them either.
@Aespabiggirlsmakingmoney
@Aespabiggirlsmakingmoney 4 ай бұрын
The only 'failure' in Nct is Nct Wish
@pearlball62507
@pearlball62507 4 ай бұрын
We DID NOT need Nct Wish
@STREAM_ON_MY_YOUTH_WAYV
@STREAM_ON_MY_YOUTH_WAYV 4 ай бұрын
Tbh I've kinda noticed NCT are actually GAINING popularity each year, I think they took a huge step in 2023 cause lots of songs and solos went viral, plus they're one of the biggest boygroups rn, they're far from failed
@deeznutzaintnutting
@deeznutzaintnutting 3 ай бұрын
Ikr! Like I’m literally getting to know them now because of their AUTHENTIC MUSIC?? Wdym they failing😭
@DayaneFreire2016
@DayaneFreire2016 3 ай бұрын
I'm a kpop fan but I never had the time to dive into NCT world until last year and now they are one of my favorite groups.
@ifyluv7402
@ifyluv7402 4 ай бұрын
NCT is far from failed. They are a very successful bunch of talented boys
@winwinsmissinglines
@winwinsmissinglines 3 ай бұрын
be fr
@henolongerneedsme
@henolongerneedsme 3 ай бұрын
​@@winwinsmissinglinesthey are fr. they are not failed
@xuoqq7930
@xuoqq7930 4 ай бұрын
nct isn’t “failing”, their music has always been for people with acquired taste.
@JustMe-zc5qj
@JustMe-zc5qj 4 ай бұрын
Yes
@katiedavis7601
@katiedavis7601 4 ай бұрын
And they still been winning awards, topped the charts, one of the most well known groups in kpop, and etc. they have never “failed” as a group
@JustMe-zc5qj
@JustMe-zc5qj 4 ай бұрын
@@katiedavis7601 Most recent kpop boygroup brand reputation I think if I ain't wrong is : 1) SEVENTEEN 2) NCT 3) BTS
@Daisy-ue9vk
@Daisy-ue9vk 4 ай бұрын
​@@JustMe-zc5qjright And it's nostalgic how like 5 to 4 years ago people would say the biggest are exo, monster x, seventeen, NCT and BTS but nowadays exo and monster x fell of so bad it's sad because of their management Literally kept exo in the dungeon 😬
@JustMe-zc5qj
@JustMe-zc5qj 4 ай бұрын
MONSTA X and EXO have lost popularity but they are still a part of 3rd most renouned and famous boygroups. Many 4th gen and now 5th gen boygroups are taking over like TXT, ATEEZ, SKZ, ENHYPHEN, ZB1 and RIIZE for example.
@Ankit-uv3yp
@Ankit-uv3yp 4 ай бұрын
You can say, The concept was not successful but as a group they are successful.
@mekhicurry9331
@mekhicurry9331 2 ай бұрын
SM DID IT with exo and suju but continued to fail and Nct has made it the farthest and I am so happy
@summernight2752
@summernight2752 2 ай бұрын
That’s the thing tho. NCT concept is supposed to be the umbrella that connect all the units and make the units that debut later could benefit from the name and gaining popularity. but it end up being the biggest obstacle for each units to being popular as casual kpop stans are intimidated with unlimited members, too many members, and their music branding barely helps too even if they are unique. It is pretty much failure in that way as each units could be work 10x less just to be successful if they just debut as 4 separate groups without NCT umbrella
@scaaranndrea5789
@scaaranndrea5789 4 ай бұрын
They didn’t fail, SM just doesn’t know how to do its job. But NCT didn’t fail.
@lovelyluka.12
@lovelyluka.12 4 ай бұрын
they didn’t fail, haechan said nothing wrong. kpop fans take everything over the top. nct wish will do so good so let’s cheer them on please. even though things are hard for them now i bet they will do good in the future.
@cvyyjg
@cvyyjg 4 ай бұрын
🙄🙄🙄✋️
@LIUSKAEditz8410
@LIUSKAEditz8410 4 ай бұрын
Always supporting new neos 💚💚
@sadiqazia5100
@sadiqazia5100 4 ай бұрын
Yes true Nct wish is now neos 😍🥰💚💚💚👏
@pearlball62507
@pearlball62507 4 ай бұрын
Czennies are more accepting of Riize than Nct Wish. I wish SME would've debuted them as a separate group instead of subjecting them to this cold reception even by their own group mates
@bobateaworld4211
@bobateaworld4211 4 ай бұрын
@@pearlball62507 ye i'll never support the new team
@ohdudehesflirting457
@ohdudehesflirting457 4 ай бұрын
ISTG people took what Haechan said and ran with it. Give them time.. how do you expect them to become close so quickly…
@AminataJallow-qk1iq
@AminataJallow-qk1iq 4 ай бұрын
I know right
@Tyanes17
@Tyanes17 4 ай бұрын
Honestly, NCT went through a lot, but they are far from being a failed project. There is no other group like NCT and there never will be. SM is being successful with each unit and maintaining the idea of the group as a whole. NCT Nation concert just proved how successful they are. Their fandom is huge Kora and worldwide.
@johnsbananamilkshake9452
@johnsbananamilkshake9452 4 ай бұрын
i mean sj was supposed to be like it, exo also had 2 sub units, but yeah nct is so unique and no1 can take that away from them. But like its always been like this, ppl saying sms projects are failing and in the end they turn out to be legendary
@hrcdana
@hrcdana 4 ай бұрын
I'm glad that the graduation system of DREAM was abolished...
@Supernovaex
@Supernovaex 4 ай бұрын
Yes! I remember everyone's happiness when they were established permanent 🥳
@camiIIeteresa
@camiIIeteresa 3 ай бұрын
That was the worst decision SM ever made. Overworking Mahae was never the solution. The graduation system should have been stopped, meaning no new members for Dream. However, other 5 Dream members should have redebuted with their own fixed unit without Mahae at the age of 20 like a normal kpop group.
@hrcdana
@hrcdana 3 ай бұрын
​@@camiIIeteresa but even if 7dream is a fixed unit rn,you can see that they don't attend some events together bc Mahae have schedules with illichil..also,I believe until illichil members complete their military services, 7dream would be busy as a group and Mahae with their individual schedules too.. overworking them isn't right,but it isn't 7dream or the fans who want them as a fixed unit to be blamed..wdhm you saw a group for 2 and a half years straight having great chemistry and now one by one everyone has to leave?even mark expressed that the system was traumatizing
@forevera5241
@forevera5241 4 ай бұрын
The people using Haechan's words as a 'reason' to hate the new members are just being immature. It's good that he set a realistic expectation because inevitably there will be an air of awkwardness due to there being virtually no shared training experience between the tenured and new Neo's, or the lack of years long friendships between them. And honestly they can hardly maintain cross unit friendships due to their poorly managed schedules so it'll be even hard to form ones with the new members.
@lovelyluka.12
@lovelyluka.12 4 ай бұрын
BYEEEE plz quit saying that nct wish don’t work as hard. they haven’t even debut yet 😭 and they are getting hate on by nctzens so much everyday so they really aren’t benefiting clearly
@RADLee-fj9me
@RADLee-fj9me 4 ай бұрын
I don’t think that’s the case and I’m not saying that it’s not wrong that people are sitting there being rude to these boys. I think more of what the issue is is the way that the company decide to go about it. If you really look at the groups that they have and the way that NCT is viewed. I don’t think that the way that they did NCT wish made sense, they already had a lineup for this group technically speaking, but after they decided to kick out LSM the new people in charge to change up how they were going to debut and they were going to debut in the new NCT unit and I think that’s what kind of causing this weird disconnect between the groups that have already been established and the new group that debuting Not because it wouldn’t work, but because I feel like it was genuinely a group of guys who had trained together none of the current members of NCT has trained with these boys, so they have absolutely no relationship in terms of like friendship and stuff with each other. and yes, there’s a possibility of that happening and working out with them debuting but it’s very low just because of the age gap and then also the seniority , because I’ve seen other people talk about how if you look at the other boy group that they debuted before they announce NCT wish debuting it seemed as if those boys were supposed to be at least a part of some kind of NCT unit, but the company decided to scrap that idea because they didn’t want to follow what the old Head of company had planned out for SM entertainment which does make sense. But it also gets rid of that illusion that SM had created, though for the fans of NCT basically just being a group of friends or a group of like frat boys, really where they all have ties to one another they all basically are friends or getting along really well, and they’ve clearly known each other for years.
@mekhicurry9331
@mekhicurry9331 2 ай бұрын
@@RADLee-fj9mebut people also forget Nct was meant to go on for way longer than this new kids were supposed to come anyways
@nennylol4851
@nennylol4851 2 ай бұрын
​@@RADLee-fj9me oyyy you havent answer my comment duffez
@xiomyra1
@xiomyra1 4 ай бұрын
NCT is still a top group. That sells millions of albums every year. It's sad to see SM not go through with the concept. All the groups are very successful, and all the members are very talented.
@Emily_fanai
@Emily_fanai 4 ай бұрын
NCT didn't fail at all... They r gaining massive popularity and is one of the only groups to have actual talented people... SM should do a better job with them
@suniibuni
@suniibuni 4 ай бұрын
failed is a MASSIVE lie, girl bye 🤦‍♀️
@Marie-1706
@Marie-1706 4 ай бұрын
Yes, I think the concept was starting to get all over the place since that graduation thing, but the group is successful and all so. What Haechan said was right, you can't force to be close with new people in your group that quick it takes time, but I hate what some nct fans are doing twisting his words to hate on the new unit. anyways I hope NCT wish has a promising future.
@edoardorivera4119
@edoardorivera4119 4 ай бұрын
The most Nct Wish haters are coming from western and english speaking Nctzens (some spanish speakers too but not the way worst as western fans)just like they have the NiziU treatment over again, when western Jyp fans calling them flop, nugu, they give bad treatment, too much ignores by them when is comes from Jyp edit, they thinking Nmixx debuted before then NiziU who have 4 years in industry, they calling suck music, comparing NiziU vs Nmixx (like how western Nctzens treat Riize more then Nct Wish) ect both NiziU and Nct Wish are so loved in Japan and Sea but not in western countries who hating on them for no reason
@mysteriogaming478
@mysteriogaming478 4 ай бұрын
The fact that sm also had plans to debut a Hollywood unit a European unit and a African unit as well would be too much to handle so I’m glad they stopped with the unlimited members
@KRYA82
@KRYA82 4 ай бұрын
LSM's concept of unlimited and rotating numbers failed...but the groups are successful.
@kamialexis4831
@kamialexis4831 4 ай бұрын
Exactly
@sadiqazia5100
@sadiqazia5100 4 ай бұрын
It never failed it got stolen and we all know by whom.
@albatross7269
@albatross7269 4 ай бұрын
​@@sadiqazia5100 ermm by who??
@starsparklemonkey3390
@starsparklemonkey3390 4 ай бұрын
​@albatross7269 Chris Lee
@jvliawo
@jvliawo 3 ай бұрын
@@sadiqazia5100who ? only similar concept I can think of is TripleS…
@pineapple1612
@pineapple1612 4 ай бұрын
To be honset I have had enough after Shotaro, Sungchan and the newest members Shohei, Seunghan and Eunseok (after being introduced precicesly through a TV show for several weeks and also performing as a group during SM Town concerts) were made to leave NCT to debut as a completely new group while poor Shohei was kicked out completely! And then SM announced that completely new trainees will again debut as a NCT subunit! At this point I got very annoyed! And is not the fault of the NCT members at all... they probably had no say in this complete chaos!
@sadiqazia5100
@sadiqazia5100 4 ай бұрын
Real villain is new CEO I know how you feel I feel same and I hate what they did to Nct limitless concept got completely abolished members kicked out 😕🤦
@Duma2011
@Duma2011 4 ай бұрын
They have this concept in Japan, look at AKB48 and HKT48, their successful. Of course with this many members, your not gonna know everyone. Lots of musical groups have members that are just colleagues and not friends. This ain't new to music.
@mekhicurry9331
@mekhicurry9331 2 ай бұрын
Nct members are gonna be buddy buddy right away but I know for sure they will all get along and with the whole Nct U it gives them time to promote together and really get to know each other and I think they have all came very far with one another and with some members in each unit are their to help them get along and they will for sure get to know each other they have done it before and will do it again
@annemarielaluna9350
@annemarielaluna9350 2 ай бұрын
AKB48 and HKT48 are not on KPop level. KPop has bigger potential than J-Pop. KPop is basically the new Hollywood.
@baoziday5178
@baoziday5178 4 ай бұрын
As someone who's stanned NCT since their debut, it's not the music perse that's failing, it's literally the unlimited members that's a hard concept. Seeing how SM prioritises certain units over others (*cough* *cough* neglecting WayV) and now this new unit that's debuted it's just, too much... PS, the people taking Haechan's words out of context really need to grow up. He never stated that the group should be hated in anyway, he just said it's up to us if we choose to Stan them or not. And he honestly has the right to say what he did, because at the end of the day, this unit will affect the group as a whole more than it will affect us as stans.
@cameo403
@cameo403 4 ай бұрын
I agree, I compare it to a family that has too many children. Not enough time, attention and money to go around for everyone, rather than if you just had one or two. Seems the same to me, just on a larger scale with a K-pop group.
@baoziday5178
@baoziday5178 4 ай бұрын
@@cameo403 and honestly, after Seungchan and Shotaro left to join Riize, I was both sad but also relieved. I know a few members have expressed how uncomfortable it is constantly having new people and it's just sad that they can't get used to each other. I feel bad for Yuta though cause he seemed really close to Shotaro after spending such a short time together 😕
@cameo403
@cameo403 4 ай бұрын
Yes, I think it has been difficult in various ways for most of them :(
@mordecaiissad8529
@mordecaiissad8529 3 ай бұрын
Idk I felt like wayv was finally starting to pick up in popularity and getting more from SM and then whatever the hell happened with Lukas happened and they got into a grinding halt.
@baoziday5178
@baoziday5178 3 ай бұрын
@@mordecaiissad8529 yeah, they were beginning to get extremely popular, especially with the variety show they had. And then the whole Lucas scandal happened and even though the accusations were false, SM as always handled it so poorly
@ouannaaa
@ouannaaa 4 ай бұрын
I never comment typically, but honestly the title triggered me a little. Please don't phrase NCT as a failure! Because in truth they are not. As for the new unit, I admit I'm struggling with adapting a little, but over time I'm sure everything will fall in place as long as SME doesnt f up too much. This is gonna be a ride for sure but I hope Wish will be fine, and the neos, because none of them deserve a struggle!!
@chaettos
@chaettos 4 ай бұрын
how has nct failed/flopped when literally half of k-pop stans (who don’t even stan nct) bark when they see ‘127’ 😭
@uin5943
@uin5943 3 ай бұрын
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@chaettos
@chaettos 3 ай бұрын
@@uin5943 LEMME INTRODUCE YOU TO SOME NEW THINGS (AY-YO) 🗣️🗣️
@moshiw.k
@moshiw.k 3 ай бұрын
PUKU PUKU POW POW🗣❗
@donovanberes
@donovanberes 4 ай бұрын
What are you even talking about nct 127 fact check and nct dream broken melodies the latest comebacks are both amazing. You can’t deny that fact check is leaps and bounds better than sticker
@Jungbenn
@Jungbenn 4 ай бұрын
The problem was not Haechan talking about the new unit. It is understandable if you fit yourself in his shoes but what's the real problem is the fans who didn't like the new unit took Haechan's opinion as their excuse to hate on the new unit. it's ok if you don't like the new unit and everyone has their personal preferences but let's not hate on the new unit. They've also been trainees, they've also struggled to debut, they had to compete with fellow trainees.
@mordecaiissad8529
@mordecaiissad8529 3 ай бұрын
Honestly I can't take people using haechans words as anything but an excuse. NCT literally has a show centered around members of various subunits being awkward, distant with each other because they barely get to interact. It's the most honest view of the group and on brand for NCT.
@hrcdana
@hrcdana 4 ай бұрын
when fandoms fight with each other, neo fans fight amongst themselves..I know it's not possible, but ,ets work together to be one Fandom,NCTZEN! 127zens,Dreamizen,Wayzennies if works together..we could actually bring every unit their respective success 💚
@frogssquad1276
@frogssquad1276 4 ай бұрын
LOUDER!! I’m so tired of this hate that each of so called unit fandoms spread to each other almost every day
@JustMe-zc5qj
@JustMe-zc5qj 4 ай бұрын
I don't understand these people. I Am NCTzen, a fan of all units and all members (even if I have my preferences and I Am okay with it). People absolutely have the right to only follow who they want and not the whole group. Whether it's solo-fans of idols or units within NCT. However they shouldn't denigrate others in the process.
@JustMe-zc5qj
@JustMe-zc5qj 4 ай бұрын
That's right !
@DaenerysUchiha
@DaenerysUchiha 4 ай бұрын
I really don't understand the fans who fight with their own fanbase I Stan all units that's what it means to he a real Nctzen
@edoardorivera4119
@edoardorivera4119 4 ай бұрын
Wishzen too
@melodymatters8135
@melodymatters8135 4 ай бұрын
The concept failed, by NCT as a group are definitely a success
@sunshine_butterflies
@sunshine_butterflies 4 ай бұрын
Mark is overworked AF! Let him rest!!
@Hannie4001
@Hannie4001 4 ай бұрын
Haechan too
@nennylol4851
@nennylol4851 3 ай бұрын
⁠@@Hannie4001AND WHAT MAKE THEM LAZY BECOME OVERSIZED FATTIES HA IS THAT WHAT U WANT HA MAYBE THATS YOUR PERSONALITY
@faithcatapan3337
@faithcatapan3337 4 ай бұрын
i think WISH members also have some connections with other units, for example Ryo was casted through watching NCT concert, and YUSHI did train with WAYV members particularly TEN... and maybe they may have some more connections that we dont know yet!.. this video is downgrading WISH members, it didnt even mention that final line up was decided through talent evaluation and not by fan votes
@chenles_defender
@chenles_defender 4 ай бұрын
NCT aren't a failure, even though some members left, the sub units are still successful and sell a lot of albums in every comeback, and that's what is important for their company.
@mimydiallo
@mimydiallo 4 ай бұрын
I don’t think they failed but having that much members under one name isn’t helpful because the opportunities get scarce and distributed unfairly. I love nctdream so much but because they are a sub unit, their comebacks happen at a slow rate as opposed to Riize for instance. I secretly dreamt that nct dream would pull a got7 in the future and operate outside of sm
@taemmate
@taemmate 4 ай бұрын
dude riize dont comeback with albums ... nct dream comeback with full albums since they re senior that means more time to work + they re rookies they will have more opportunities to build a solid fandom . nct will get shinee and exo treatment soon
@mimydiallo
@mimydiallo 4 ай бұрын
Sure, but for instance riize ( whom I love) just debuted and already collaborated with major brands such as LouisV. Nct dream merrily work with penshope. Also in terms of solo activities, Eunseok for instance worked on a big film with Wendy when a lot of nct members still haven’t got their big break.
@lolita960
@lolita960 3 ай бұрын
⁠​⁠@@mimydialloyou have no idea what you’re talking about. 127 members are probably on average THE most sought after K-pop group right now, ESPECIALLY for brands. For a group with NINE members it’s actually insane that 6 out of them are luxury brand ambassadors and constantly invited to events. They’re still extremely relevant as a group AND individually which is actually quite rare considering they’re approaching the end of their contract as a group but career opportunities are constantly thrown at their feet. Taeyong sold out his first solo concert in under 5 minutes, anytime a event announces a NCT unit the crowd is FILLED with Neo bongs, concert always freaking sold out no matter where they go, they’re constantly mentioned as role models and idols always cover their songs. The impact NCT has on the industry is unmatched. They may not have had the same rookie opportunities Riize has gotten (I love them too) but frankly speaking they’re waaayy past the group sponsorship stage as they are now building individual brands. Also NCT had the HARDEST time debuting. I was a pre debut fan and NO ONE even knew them, I was literally fighting for my life promoting them. They debuted in the background of THE EXO’s peak ERA and barely got any attention for their songs which means their sucess got massively delayed as they slowly started gaining attention, making people go back to their previous release. I mean just look at reactions of “the 7th sense” and how everyone freaks out over it, yet it got NO recognition when it first came out. Riize debuted SEVEN years after NCT the anticipation for their debut was already building prior to us knowing what they looked or sounded like. Let’s not compare.
@mimydiallo
@mimydiallo 3 ай бұрын
Of course they are relevant ! I’ve never said they aren’t ; what I’m saying is having so much members, of course some of them get left behind and they’ve had to work for far longer to get visibility. I’m 100% rooting for them as they are my fav group but the reality is what it is and I’m just pointing out what in my opinion is the flaw of having such an expansive project ❤️
@lolita960
@lolita960 3 ай бұрын
@@mimydiallothe members “left behind” are just the members that failed to establish themselves outside of the group. Let’s not always blame the company these are GROWN ass men.
@lovelyluka.12
@lovelyluka.12 4 ай бұрын
no i love nct wish leave them alone
@bobateaworld4211
@bobateaworld4211 4 ай бұрын
NEVER ACCEPTING THE FLOPS
@daisiesnini
@daisiesnini 4 ай бұрын
​@bobateaworld4211 what's wrong with you?
@bobateaworld4211
@bobateaworld4211 4 ай бұрын
@daisiesnini nothing coz I'm just stating real facts
@daisiesnini
@daisiesnini 4 ай бұрын
@@bobateaworld4211 facts that you created with small mind?
@daisiesnini
@daisiesnini 4 ай бұрын
@bobateaworld4211 idc honestly, but imagine having a low life that you decided to bash underage kids. Don't call urself an nctzens for that, get out
@lolita960
@lolita960 3 ай бұрын
Bruh I saw a post of someone saying a lot of popular boy K-pop group such as Enhypen, stray kids and Ateez aren’t actually popular in Korea and are carried by international fans. Then when everyone asked in the comments who were actually popular in South Korea the same 3 groups were ALWAYS mentioned: Seventeen, The Boyz AND NCT (both 127 and Dream). According to many many comments of people living in Korea, you can go anywhere without hearing or seeing NCT. International fans don’t understand that that’s why those groups tend to charts higher than the others you deem more popular. NCT has always been able to chart well. They’re not failing if anything they’re getting more and more popular as they are now able to have their own interactions with fans on TikTok and instagram.
@Anctnygmochi7
@Anctnygmochi7 4 ай бұрын
How did this fail, I mean the sub units of nct alone are more popular then 85% of other kpop groups currently. NCT is such a popular group worldwide with high sales from multiple albums ex. ISTJ by nct dream in 2023 was the 5th most successful kpop album sales wise of copies.
@ETanishkaLolage
@ETanishkaLolage 4 ай бұрын
Nct dream is popular in korea tho
@user-wh2dg6ms4g
@user-wh2dg6ms4g 4 ай бұрын
Internatinally too
@127mile
@127mile 4 ай бұрын
actually VERY popular 7Dream are one of the top boy groups over there in korea
@swimmingpooI
@swimmingpooI 4 ай бұрын
@@user-wh2dg6ms4gi was at the concert in berlin and there were so many empty spots
@laceyallen8270
@laceyallen8270 4 ай бұрын
@@user-wh2dg6ms4g not in the us. there were huge gaps in the venues, tons of seats open
@user-wh2dg6ms4g
@user-wh2dg6ms4g 4 ай бұрын
@@laceyallen8270 They are growimg more and more each comeback, maybe it was their 1st or 2nd US tour idk
@Liz_Lizille
@Liz_Lizille 4 ай бұрын
1:09 it will be my favorite and most loved and the only era will cherish forever. The only NCT that matters to me. 😔
@ayu_gyu
@ayu_gyu 4 ай бұрын
Ikr NCT 2020 was in their peak era! It all went down when that new CEO removed 3 members :(
@wonbin__riize
@wonbin__riize 4 ай бұрын
They never failed, they are so iconic...everybody knows them
@taeraaee_
@taeraaee_ 3 ай бұрын
Real
@wayvee6345
@wayvee6345 4 ай бұрын
Honestly, I think it’s better to free ourselves from the pressure of having to like all the members and subunits. If you like all of them? Fair enough but in reality NCT is a system with different styles. If you only like one unit that’s totally fine because it was SMs intention from the beginning to give the fans more options to chose from. That is what makes the NCT system unique. For example, I only like WayV but occasionally listen to NCT U songs when my favourite members are part of the song and that works for me. Why do I have to force myself to like the other units, too? Plus, every unit is successful in their own way and NCT Wish will also gain fans. Maybe even new and younger ones that didn’t care or know about NCT before. A group that is growing with their fandom: That’s NCT!
@pssoeun898
@pssoeun898 4 ай бұрын
Do i think SM handles NCT badly? Yes. But this video talks mostly about things I personally think fans are at wrong. The graduation system was so interesting! I loved Dream's bubbly music and it was such a great way of giving younger members fun concepts that they would have grown out sooner or later. Splitting them must have been hard and SM could have done a so much better job at system but making them a fix unit was not the best way to handle it for me. Fans being angry at the new members... it's just childish. "they haven't work as hard" CAUSE THEY WERE TRAINEES!!! In fact, I think these new members were thrown to the wolf's mouth. They have such unrealistic standards set upon them and must try to fit in with members with a huge gap and a dramatic ass fandom. Also fans expecting all of them to be best friends sounds like a fans problem, not SM's. Heachan's feelings are valid and should be respected, but people be acting as either he commited a crime or was a victim. I don't think it was wrong to put an end to the limitless members, but there was so much potential to their limitless concept. Take TripleS as an example, they are doing such a great job at making and handling multiple sub-units.
@sadiqazia5100
@sadiqazia5100 4 ай бұрын
Listen didn't you heard LSM is not Producer of Sm anymore Nct is his invested group and it was limitless forever you forgot Nct Hollywood preparation for it he signed with Mgm the Voice and Nct J is Nct J with sungchan shotaron and three Riize members. But it all changed after LSM got kicked out. And I agree it's same for me LSM knows whats gonna happen he planned everything from the start but new CEO ruined it
@edoardorivera4119
@edoardorivera4119 4 ай бұрын
@@sadiqazia5100* 2 Riize members (Eunseok and Seunghan) with a trainee call Shohei born in 96L
@user-po2et9pq5n
@user-po2et9pq5n 3 ай бұрын
The graduation system was so weird
@happytia
@happytia 4 ай бұрын
Mark described the Graduation System as " *TRAUMATIC* " "The so called nctzen who love every unit fairly": *they should've kept the Graduation System*
@julis2005
@julis2005 4 ай бұрын
the group is never the problem, the problem is the management and they didn't fail at all, they're still standing, this videos are baity and obnoxious
@Vanessakimlol
@Vanessakimlol 4 ай бұрын
Nct aren't even close to the fail😭
@sadiqazia5100
@sadiqazia5100 4 ай бұрын
I have a question why are you trying to make Nct a flop group when clearly its not im sorry but you are biased 😐
@arabellavelazquez
@arabellavelazquez 4 ай бұрын
the concept is not that new. it’s kinda like akb48 in japan. the graduation system is genius but fans got too attached and that’s what ruined it
@aeling642
@aeling642 4 ай бұрын
What is the point of this video? I really dont understand What it's trying to do....??
@romeoortiz-vr5hf
@romeoortiz-vr5hf 4 ай бұрын
I don't think they failed
@rarelyrainy
@rarelyrainy 4 ай бұрын
Who tf thinks a multi million seller group is a failure? Lol just bec you don't like their music, doesn't mean they flop.
@yeolliepop9017
@yeolliepop9017 4 ай бұрын
They are incredibly successful period.
@starsparklemonkey3390
@starsparklemonkey3390 4 ай бұрын
With the success of Dojaejung this video is suspicious as hell ngl.
@mikeymadisons
@mikeymadisons 4 ай бұрын
i think they made this for attention tbh
@mekhicurry9331
@mekhicurry9331 2 ай бұрын
@@mikeymadisonsyeah it seemed like they needed something to do and there all 127 memebers it would have been better with a combination of dream WayV and 127 like doyoung xiaojun and jeno
@ehehehehee69
@ehehehehee69 3 ай бұрын
sorry but nct is probably the only kpop group that are still kpop
@victoriah4648
@victoriah4648 4 ай бұрын
SM completely fumbled the NCT project, particularly WayV (and I'm not very optimistic about Wish) They could've done sooooooo much more with the boys instead of what we actually got, which was them treating every subunit as a normal separate BG with them only working together once per year at most. The entire point of NCT was that they're all in a group and you mix and match endlessly depending on popularity/ availability/ whatever BESIDES the separate group stuff, plus the "endless expansion" bs that was inevitably gonna be cancelled when they can barely manage the existing members to begin with. And this brings me to WayV. They were just beginning to gain traction when the Lucas scandal happened, which, OK, sucked, but then SM kept the entire group in limbo hiatus for 1,5 year just to announce that Lucas was out after aaaaall that time. It's like they were so desperate to keep him 'in' that they were willing to fuck all the other members over for MONTHS and that's what they did, until they saw that people still weren't changing their opinion on LS and were forced to remove him. You cannot change my mind about this. WayV got fucked over. They're doing modestly well but they could've been huge instead.
@z00merang18
@z00merang18 4 ай бұрын
Nct is definitely not a failure, they're doing really good and their name is up there with other big boy groups. The concept is a little troublesome but the members are talented and versatile and the neo sound definitely suits them. Their sound was always ahead of it's time.
@dazed_radio
@dazed_radio 4 ай бұрын
failing 💀 That is crazy
@beautibrew
@beautibrew 4 ай бұрын
NCT as a whole is definitely not failing, but that's entirely a credit to the members themselves working their asses off rather than SM actually being a competant management company. Like the infinite members concept isn't really the problem it's how SM mismanaged it that's the issue. The previous management team under LSM tried to do too much too fast across the company without the resources to accomplish any of it well (i.e. the Kwangya concept) and that directly contributed to the mismanagement issues with NCT. Like come on they're a company that went literal years without actually making a statement about whether one of the main units was even part of NCT and caused so much needless infighting within the fandom (yes I'm talking about the pre-NCT 2020 "is WayV actually NCT" debate), you can't honestly expect to be capable of managing an infinite members system when you can't even effectively manage three units. Infinite members as a concept is more suited to a company that is only managing those artists and no other groups, trying to support such a complicated system while also trying to "revolutionize" the kpop industry was never going to turn out well for them. It's because the members are all so talented and hard-working that they've gotten to where they are despite trying to navigate a system they didn't even understand themselves because of lack of communication by management. The entire concept of a graduation system however was doomed from the start and was by FAR one of SMs biggest group management mistakes. They should have learned from the suju situation and realized that fans are obviously going to get attached to fixed units and are going to push back against a mega corporation trying to maximize profit potential by treating artists as playthings they can move around at will rather than respecting their talent and letting the teams that debuted together grow together.
@missb9103
@missb9103 4 ай бұрын
I stan all of the NCT groups. They are fantastic! Where are you getting this crap from? Everything we do in life takes some adjusting. Everyone take a chill pill!
@markiemelon
@markiemelon 3 ай бұрын
I feel like one of the main reasons for this controversy could be their ages. They’ve done well at appealing to younger audiences, like myself. (I’m 16, and still younger than all of them) Obviously the age thing isn’t a problem to me, but I know that many nctzens tend to be older. Since age ranges pretty widely among fans, I can definitely see older nctzens being uncomfortable with stanning a group of such young kids (essentially) Needless to say, even if you choose not to support them, I don’t think they should be hated on, or excluded. They worked hard to get to where they’re at, and although it’s different from how other members have contributed, I don’t think we should dismiss their effort. Umm anyway STAN NCT!!!!!
@NCTsmtown_DREAM
@NCTsmtown_DREAM 3 ай бұрын
NCT's sound is THE blueprint for 4th gen's music. what you mean by they failed lmao 😂😂😂
@SK-fe9cu
@SK-fe9cu 4 ай бұрын
This is just my opinion.. NCT's concept is good, it's like a franchise... There are lots of advantages if it's doing well.. Like easier to promotion member and cost savings, faster debuting of trainees, quickly dominate the market.. But of course.. NCT's long-term project has many challenges.. from Covid and make all entertainment businesses are down.. then the China-Korea political problem.. So why i think debut WayV is delay and NCT Dream to be fix unit.. But in my opinion the biggest mistake is Haechan and Mark who are in two fix units (Not hate, I know they are the ones who work the hardest). This is just my opinion, with overlapping members, this really destroy the schedules for two units at the same time like for comebacks, concerts and etc.. 127 and Dream waiting for each other.. This condition is not beneficial for mark and Haechan too.. because they both focus on two units, they have less time for solo schedules... The problem with unequal popularity, I think every group is like that... Even with groups with few members, popularity is still like that too.. Then for juniors who borrow the popularity from seniors so they can quickly become known.. Maybe for fans it's unfair... but for agency it's normal. especially at a big agency like SM.. HOT introduced TVXQ at their concert.. Super Junior introduced EXO and many more.. SM makes interaction between their idols is also a promotion.. the main target is SM stans.. The most problem now.. i think SM need more staff.. Especially after SM's problems last year.. There's a lot of content that I think was uploaded late..
@SK-fe9cu
@SK-fe9cu 4 ай бұрын
Oh.. maybe this doesn't sound good.. there are sometimes fanwars between units.. or maybe make fans protest to agency can become promotions.. Like noise marketing..
@hey608
@hey608 4 ай бұрын
People saying NCT WISH 💫 is benefiting of NCT brand without working that much. Don't make me laugh. Until now has been the opposite. They have only received a lot of hate from NCT fans, sungtaro fans and even from people that say that they are no need it.They are working very hard to be accepted & appreciate it. It's not easy to debut in an established group because comparison will be inevitable too. The NCT members have said before they understand it is hard for new members to incorporate. Also, they are foreigners most of them which will make it more difficult to be accepted with kfans.
@edoardorivera4119
@edoardorivera4119 4 ай бұрын
Well some Jfans don’t like Kpop too
@hey608
@hey608 4 ай бұрын
@@edoardorivera4119 But it's not at the level of Koreans. How many Japanese idols can do big shows in Korea compared to Japan or chart well in melon. They even hate seventeen doing a concert in Japan on their anniversary. Japan has always been a big step for kpop groups. Let's not talk about chinese.
@AminataJallow-qk1iq
@AminataJallow-qk1iq 4 ай бұрын
Excellent ❤❤❤👏👏👏🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
@RADLee-fj9me
@RADLee-fj9me 4 ай бұрын
I don’t think it failed. I just think that the company wasn’t prepared for all the work. I feel like people need to understand how AKB48 works or even just the 48 franchise because that is what NCT was based off of. As someone who was a huge fan of AKB48 in elementary and middle school before I became a big fan of K-pop I’m telling you, SM was not prepared for the way that they would have to go about promoting them and the way they would have to go about creating units and groups. The biggest thing is that AKB48 was always a rotational group, all of the 48 groups whether you’re talking about the ones that are based in Thailand, the two based in China, I think there’s several of them, technically based in Japan, and then they even have more recent and new groups that have been created, and based in other Asian countries like Vietnam, I believe in the Philippines And the thing is, they’re always rotational. None of those members stay the same it’s literally just a giant group of normally 128 girls that then get split up into different units and then there’s the main 48 those are the girls that always do the single Title tracks and the music videos and they’re the ones that get pushed them most. The thing is that concept would not work with K-pop because K-pop is all about being very consistent with your groups and things do I think they could have worked out a rotational group to a certain degree of course people forget that there are new groups coming out that are kind of like that like triple S the girl group Actually really like their concept and I think that they’re doing it the right way which NCT couldn’t get done which is having different units. Sit there come out debut different and then rotating them out or creating different units and just consistently doing that. I definitely think NCT makes a lot more sense than having NCT as a whole bureau, rotational group, and in terms of like NCT wish. That has nothing to do with the group and I don’t think it has anything to do with the initial plan for the company has everything to do with the new people who took over after they kicked out LSM in my opinion. It’s very obvious that the NCT unit was going to be Riize Why because of the time when those guys would’ve been trainees and the interactions that they’ve already had with NCT the whole concept of NCT was a group of guys who had train together together already knew each other, preestablished relationship basically with most of the members, and then debuting members weren’t trainees for that and they definitely had not trained with the current members of NCT. I think the biggest issue was that the company wanted to not follow what LSM had planned, which is why they decided to switch it up and that is what backfired in this case of this last unit being debuted. They would’ve been perfectly fine if they didn’t decide to have a survival program to pick out these boys and then throw them into the NCT universe. If they really didn’t want to follow through they should’ve just not debut another NCT unit that would’ve been been perfectly fine, but they also knew that they have been promising the fans before they decide to kick out the owner of the company that they were working on the state this group debuting and being a group.
@mikayla9146
@mikayla9146 4 ай бұрын
Fans thinking that members are all best friends is as ridiculous as thinking that they don’t date or have girlfriends.
@RADLee-fj9me
@RADLee-fj9me 4 ай бұрын
Definitely but I don’t think that most of their fans think that I think it’s more of we know that there are crossovers cause there are certain members in certain units that are really close with other members and the members themselves talked about how they’re not super close with each other, but they still have that Inherent bond because of the fact that most of them either trained together or they had all the years after debuting together. Again, the company really did try to sell that though they try to sell that this is basically just a group of guys that are either friends or in like a fraternity together so I do think the added newer members for the newer unit kind of throws all that off, mainly because we do know people who have been fans of SM groups or this group particularly that LSM already had a lineup for this unit, and that lineup was completely scrapped. Some of those members ended up debuting in Riize instead of an NCT unit, and the other ones went back to being trainees, and I think that’s what throws some of the OG fans off because we basically knew who the other members were supposed to be that were going to be joining NCT and then they did it. Instead, they decided to do a survival program, which is how they came up with the members who are going to be debuting in the new unit and then on top of that it’s the age gap that would be created because they’re still going to push this new unit working with an interacting with the old original NCT members, and the fact that they didn’t have any crossovers with training like they were members in other NCT units that trained with other members that had debuted earlier it’s one of the reasons why the dynamic between the groups actually works because they all have at least one to three members in each unit that trained with in our really close friends with members and other units none of that exist with this new group so on top of like just the age gap, there’s also the seniority that these are dudes who have all been around for 7+ years in the industry now and they’re going to have to two certain degrees put on a performance and show offriendship with these younger members that they really know nothing about
@user-ye5il8zu2v
@user-ye5il8zu2v 4 ай бұрын
100% sure that YangYang and Yuta are not close. There is also awkwardness between Yuta and Jaemin and Jisung himself mentioned that he still feels uncomfortable being around Jaehyun... The Nctzens are very delusional when they think that Nct are a big family.😂😂😂
@mikayla9146
@mikayla9146 4 ай бұрын
If we all got along with everyone we were involved with directly or indirectly, the world would be a different place. We like some people, dislike others, and are indifferent to some, whether we have a common bond or not. Period.
@-mitsuyasimp-2281
@-mitsuyasimp-2281 3 ай бұрын
​@user-ye5il8zu2v I always noticed an awkwardness between Xioajun and Renjun. Idk if it was just me though 🤔
@ayu_gyu
@ayu_gyu 4 ай бұрын
NCT didn't fail it's just the new CEO is shit & ruined NCT removing 3 members. If they hadn't been removed & added the previous SungTaRookies to NCT Tokyo it would've been a success & NCTzens would've been excited to show support. Still NCT 2020 was their peak & then shit went down :(
@jvliawo
@jvliawo 3 ай бұрын
yeah people like to shit on LSM but man was innovative. He saw the vision and people laughed at the idea of an unlimited member group. Even though the concept didn’t pan out as well as it could’ve, NCT is one of SM’s biggest acts selling millions of albums every year. They also bring in the most revenue for SMe.
@ayu_gyu
@ayu_gyu 3 ай бұрын
@@jvliawo ikr & sm artists actually liked him
@markskonglish4222
@markskonglish4222 3 ай бұрын
This!! Chris took Sungchan and Shotaro out when they were already introduced into NCT storyline too. Now, the storyline is mess. He introduced us a possible SungTaro unit just for him to debut them in another group and give us a new set of members for NCT Tokyo. And we aren't even allowed to be upset about this. Like attacking Wish members is wrong but can't I at least be upset about how he played with our feelings.
@beefwonton08
@beefwonton08 4 ай бұрын
They are not failing, please refrain from making misleading content like this I understand that the concept of the group is difficult, but they nailed it for sure and they doing great
@bobateaworld4211
@bobateaworld4211 4 ай бұрын
They are failing as a whole with the new team but as the individual units they dont
@beefwonton08
@beefwonton08 4 ай бұрын
@@bobateaworld4211 yea I guess so, sad but I can see that :') I hope they can be closer as a whole team wishing the best for them anyway they are
@sportedittz1091
@sportedittz1091 3 ай бұрын
They are definitely not growing as they are supposed to. 2021 make a wish era should have launched them forward, but they honestly declined then. They can’t crack past 50 mill on mvs anymore…. They should be in the 100 million views range by now
@starsparklemonkey3390
@starsparklemonkey3390 3 ай бұрын
​@@sportedittz1091MV viewership does not indicate popularity. Nctzens have grown up and have jobs. No one has time to mass stream and those other bottling tricks.
@carlarojas1691
@carlarojas1691 3 ай бұрын
NCT WISH is going their own way, calling them a "failure" because the fandom is immature and hates a group of teenagers is stupid, they are literally eating the Japanese public and they haven't even debuted. Anyway nctzens themselves have said that not everyone in the group gets along so what is the problem if wish doesn't get along with the others??
@nicatina
@nicatina 4 ай бұрын
I may not be a BG stan but...let not lie to ourselves just like that. 😭
@KatieGeorgieva
@KatieGeorgieva 4 ай бұрын
These are living people, not toys, not some stupid reputation! This is not a series with continuations of 10 seasons, in which you change the actors! People listen to the music, they don't care about reputations, plastic surgery and stupid advertising. This is MUSIC!
@dokkyz
@dokkyz 4 ай бұрын
how is nct wish using the already existing nct members for popularity??? have u not seen the hate they get from nctzens so many people aren't stanning...
@AminataJallow-qk1iq
@AminataJallow-qk1iq 4 ай бұрын
Right help me ask them please
@aloraiscool
@aloraiscool 4 ай бұрын
I'm a proud 127zen and a proud Johfam🥰
@nagihiro1382
@nagihiro1382 4 ай бұрын
What is blud yapping about 🗣️
@DayaneFreire2016
@DayaneFreire2016 3 ай бұрын
They failed in their limitless concept? YES They failed as a group? NO SM just need to promote WayV more :)
@mbrow
@mbrow 4 ай бұрын
Behind SHINee and BTS, my next favorite group is WayV. I love a lot of other subunits' songs, but aside from Mark and Taeyong, I don't know who's who. I thought that a better concept would have been for NCT to have a set number of members who form temporary groupings based on what was being released and the members' personal talents. I do think the country-specific permanent subunit concept is a good idea so, for example, China or Japan, could feel more included. But after learning all the members of WayV, plus Mark and Taeyong, I know a few names but can't match the names to faces, and certainly can't keep up with dozens of people. Each hard-working member of NCT deserves support, not to bea nameless face in the sea of NCT.
@Wonbin2961
@Wonbin2961 4 ай бұрын
I don't care about concept at all, just wish my boys are happy and healthy but SM😑 At first, i was only a Dreamzen, i love listening to their songs....and gosh their heavenly vocals, i got blessed❤ But when i delved more into them, I didn't noticed when i got addicted to these guys and i wanted to know them more, like NCT as a whole, then i further penetrated into 127 and WAYV and fr these guys changed my life too, like i didn't see it coming, never expected to stan these groups as hard as i ever stanned any other kpop group. So, My journey started from being a Dreamzen to NCTzen and i am proud of myself💚 I don't want to force amyone to be an NCTzen, like you can follow any unit you like, but atleast give the other units a chance too, i am sure you'll love them. After all, together they are NCT💚 In the case of NCTWish, i think we need to give these boys a chance, everyone deserves a chance atleast, if you can't support them, pls do not send them any unnecessary hate Coz they are under more pressure than we can even think about, plus they are also trying to adjust so why can't we, we should also try atleast💔 plss give them a chance guys, they are very young😢 As a NCTzen, it really hurts me to see NCTzens fighting with each other and sending hate to our idols, please don't do that🥲💔 Please💚
@hiwotgetenet9950
@hiwotgetenet9950 4 ай бұрын
girl you can't use the word "failed" they are still successful
@Wisecatx
@Wisecatx 4 ай бұрын
Should have debuted T7 as a group, would have taken over kpop and been huge today. Now 8 years and still so many high and low and every unit mistreatment, wayv worse getting 2 music stage for a comeback. New unit, sad for them. Haechan was so right , others members surely feel the same. In laststart ten being super mentor told he met yushi when he was a kid . Yushi saying he was fan of ten taeyong , both his idol . Well xiaojun said same for ten during debut but atleast its 3 yr age difference. Group now has taeil who will be 30 this year and sakuya who is 15. Huge difference in debut years , skill, training everything. A new Japanese group would have been best for these boys . Riize is working well thou most line up were going to be new nct, so they could have done same for nct wish to making new Japanese boy group brand , investing in it.
@jvliawo
@jvliawo 3 ай бұрын
I think SM should make its awkward but it’s okay again for NCT Wish or some kind of concept placing them with their hyungs. this will bring them more exposure and overtime, more fans will come to accept them. I know Doyoung, Taeyong, and Yuta have already accepted them with open arms. I will look forward to more interactions.
@MariigabySantiago
@MariigabySantiago 4 ай бұрын
Quiero decir que NCT se ha ganado el corazón de muchísimas personas por su música y sus personalidades tanto individualmente como en grupo con su química. Para mi nunca seran un "fracaso", la compañía se ha equivocado mucho con sus actividades individuales y como grupo, pero sin la idea de NCT, aunque está errada y hoy lo sabemos, pudimos conocerlos.
@calvinlee6996
@calvinlee6996 3 ай бұрын
about the friendship part. it was normal to feel awkward at first meeting, lol as if 127 wasn't awkward before when they debuted eventho they are trainees for the long time now they aren't awkward anymore as well as dream and wayv. It's just to give them time on their own to know the person who's in their team, and i understand haechan, he's just speaking his mind about what fans would feel. he doesn't need to give flowery words just to like the new team (nct wish) it's the fans decision whether to like them or not. i too doesn't look nct wish as nct yet (probably bcs i dont look them up to know them) but eventually i will just not now. plus the age gap is really hard for them to established a friendship so it's understandable. the "it's awkward but it's okay" is just a segment and i can see that it's hilarious and the members that they are putting on that segment wasn't really awkward.
@indrani0875
@indrani0875 4 ай бұрын
They are really successful as a group. Even i don't know their concepts but i really like their songs as a whole.
@christinenatasha5666
@christinenatasha5666 4 ай бұрын
??? making this video when they are at their peak right now?
@arien_000
@arien_000 4 ай бұрын
This feels more like a propaganda to diminish the reputation and brand value of NCT.😅
@injuntaeil
@injuntaeil 4 ай бұрын
I think adding Nct Wish was a wrong step for SM. If sm wants to create a japanese group, it should have been a separate group not a subunit of nct. Even nct fans are separated based on units. The age gap and no overlap trainings makes it worse. Another thing what makes some nct fans disagree with nct wish was that shotaro & sungchan were removed from the brand when both of them were introduced along with seunghan, shohei & eunseok in the welcome to nct universe and so fans speculated that they would be the japanese unit. When shotaro, sungchan, seunghan & eunseok debuted in riize, the fans followed them too. So that is why some nct fans feel that riize is part of nct and not nct wish. Disclaimer: I am not against riize or any of the members stated. I do think riize and nct wish too deserves their own brand. SM should have stop limitless system, wayV as the last unit. This were some of my opinions and other nct fans that I read.
@junglecat_rant
@junglecat_rant 3 ай бұрын
NCT WISH just debuted and the song is a bop and pretty dope. The MV (Japanese and Korean) is funny and cute. It's understandable that NCT needed a unit for younger audiences. NCT WISH is super fresh and I personally, who am a NCT127 and WAVY fan, will support NCT WISH, as I support the other units. I don't care what other fans think. They are super talented and I wish them all the best. 💚
@existentialcrisis4592
@existentialcrisis4592 4 ай бұрын
Bro the new members literally name some of the older nct members as their role models. That’s how big the gap is and honestly personally I don’t think it’s that bad. Would be kinda interesting to watch them interact fr.
@sadiqazia5100
@sadiqazia5100 4 ай бұрын
I would like to say some thing Nct isnt failed concept nor group the thing is it's actually Their since the beginning Sm planned it long ago and Lee Soo Man made a documentary on this to introduce Nct concept it'd unique totally because it means to bring different cultures together from the world like cultural diversity. This being said also the expansion concept will be intact if Lee Soo Man was SM CEO like last year two members Sungchan and Shotaro and four new members which are in Riize now excluding Shohei supposed to be debut in Nct J with some of current unit members and they even made a show Nct universe before debuting Nct J then suddenly LSM had to leave and his new CEO came and took everything in his own hands kick out Sungchan and Shotaro from group and also abolish Nct expansion rule by cancelling Nct Hollywood concept. And no I'm not lying this is what happened that is why it's all mess otherwise NCT system was going smoothly. Also for the current situation not just haechan Ty Dy and johnny said so because this is actually true they have big gap I'm saying this because I'm Sm fan Pink Blood so I know how everything is changed. The thing about overwork and stuff it's different worry but if you ask what is going on as fr Nct that's what happened so now if someone tells me they are not managing properly I will agree upon this because now Sm is of Chris Lee 🤦😕 also one more thing Nct is Sm most invested group ever in terms of their concept and one more thing Nct concept is not at all fail its huge success and mark my words Nct J will be famous like other units
@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxm
@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxm Ай бұрын
As a former YG fan .. i could never like SM and their artists but NCT changed my mind. They are just different and capable.
@ljjl4529
@ljjl4529 3 ай бұрын
It is working for me and for many of us 😊😊💚💚
@roo4282
@roo4282 4 ай бұрын
Firstly, the concept they originally had failed but them not only as solo artists but as a whole group AND units have all been very successful. Secondly i agree with Haechan, the way sm ent did things makes their intentions so clear to me, they added sungchan and shotaro (imo) knowing they wouldn't be permanent members they added them so that nctzens can grow to like them and when they joined riize they'd naturally follow them to support them. That's why nct wish hasn't been getting much love, bc of what happened to taro and sungchan
@nyusluvr
@nyusluvr 4 ай бұрын
This never failed tbh..they’re super successful the only thing that failed was nct dreams graduation concept that’s it
@LeeKnowstissues-25
@LeeKnowstissues-25 2 ай бұрын
Whatever Haechan said was true. It will obviously take time for them to get close with Nct wish as they never were trained together and possibly never had a deep and emotional covo(as those convos help people to get close)
@jvliawo
@jvliawo 3 ай бұрын
Personally, I don’t think NCT failed. Their concept wasn’t a complete failure either, it actually got them lots of exposure. It was innovative for the kpop scene. And I think one of the things that SM really thought ahead about was military enlistments. Having so many international/non-korean born members was very smart. A whole unit (WayV) won’t have to go through enlistments. The age difference between Dream and 127 allow Dream to bloom while 127 enlists, and viceversa. Chenle and Renjun don’t have to enlist either. And now Wish won’t have to enlist either. This creates a space for more solo work for other members. I think it was a smart thing to do.
@ravenoffire87
@ravenoffire87 4 ай бұрын
NCT concept is not revolutionary. Maybe different for Korea but Japan has groups like this, EXILE Tribe.
@yangyangsfish4215
@yangyangsfish4215 Ай бұрын
nct wish deserves as much love as the other units also yeah they might get easy reputation from the nct brand name but nct wish are very talented and have stable vocals!!!
@grandparice
@grandparice 3 ай бұрын
it's not too late to delete this video! 😂
@dianaosazenaye1313
@dianaosazenaye1313 4 ай бұрын
It make a sense Everyone can just know each other And they should make off they hard work right
@fanyfanytiffanyy
@fanyfanytiffanyy 3 ай бұрын
their songs used to hit right, but not anymore, I wanna go back to resonance era. and u are right about most talented being overlooked and not given the opportunity to showcase their talent, I hope that changes
@lilacflare
@lilacflare 3 ай бұрын
Their songs are catchy and way better than most boy groups. Perfume, Baggy Jeans, Skyscraper, and Fact Check were my favorite boy group releases last year. Sorry the soft pop that’s trending in the 5th gen will never be for me
@fanyfanytiffanyy
@fanyfanytiffanyy 3 ай бұрын
I liked baggy jeans and perfume but others are a no for me, and I still stand by how cool their music was upto resonance era .i loved ten, jaehyun solos and wayV's cb , maybe the noise music isnt for me , golden age wasnt even near resonance, I think we can all agree with that@@lilacflare
@maneater02
@maneater02 4 ай бұрын
GURL STOP MAKING EVERYTHING DRAMATIC FOR VIEWS
@ckbrowne9243
@ckbrowne9243 4 ай бұрын
It seems they were trying what they did with Menudo.
@onlykpopbl2551
@onlykpopbl2551 3 ай бұрын
NCT's concept to have unlimited members may failed but NCT's popularity and success haven't been affected , in fact they are currently becoming more and more successful , achieving new milestones everyday and releasing good songs after good songs . The problem people [HATERS] have with NCT's music is the fact that their music concept haven't conformed or changed since they have debuted because haters have been criticizing or complaining about their "loud" music . Many groups would have caved in and changed their music concept when fans [HATERS] are constantly complaining about their music but NCT haven't and that is what makes people hate them or dislike them . Please don't speak in a way that suggests that NCT is disbanding , not achieving anything and have fans leaving their fandom every second of the day . NCT is a very successful group even without the "Unlimited Members Concept " .
@lilacflare
@lilacflare 3 ай бұрын
I agree! The soft pop that is trending in the 5th gen will never be for me. It doesn’t translate well to a concert. NCT music is loud and hype and that makes for a fun kpop concert experience
@xbittersweet8326
@xbittersweet8326 4 ай бұрын
Tbh I don't have an issue with nct wish, I have an issue with SM suddenly removing Sungchan and Shotaro when they were already part of the group, just to debut a younger group when it would have made more sense just to make the Wish members a separate group altogether and more practical
@lolita960
@lolita960 3 ай бұрын
Who tf cares about practicality lol Riize is a perfect group. I think people working in the industry know better than your practical opinions
@markskonglish4222
@markskonglish4222 3 ай бұрын
​@@lolita960 You don't have to work in the industry to know that debuting Sungchan and Shotaro in a new group will garner more attention especially when they already gather fans, knowing that fans will follow them. We are just upset they took them out only to debut a new set of members. Like if they wanna take SungTaro out they could've done that before leading us to believe they will be part of NCT unit, introducing us to some Riize members as NCT future members. Are we not allowed to feel upset?
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