Kai is full of Bull 💩

what they should of done with Kai was tell his side of the story and point of view base off what made him change. Because people don’t change over night oh no, it takes time. I think what made Kai change was when he saw oogway very hurt or injured kai told himself that he will never let someone close to him get hurt ever again but the only way for that to happen is if he gained power. Little did he know taking the short cut is not the path to go By him taking the innocence chi. Once oogway confronted him about this and even tried to stop him Kai felt betrayed because he only did it to protect his close friend. I think kai was a good person he just had the wrong intentions.

i think that 4th movie will be a negation. i'm seeing the signs there

Devo: Dude, Wickedbinge literally gave Kai the title as Dreamworks Most Powerful Villain!🤦‍♂️

Sorry but this video is bad. Watch (Kai’s Tragic Full Story: Kung Fu Panda’s Powerful Villain) From Isaac Carlson.

Oogway doesn’t say he was a young warlord. He says he was a young ambitious warrior, leading a great army.

@@SagesRain hm, fair enough. Still, an army for what?

@@SagesRainI think young and ambitious are big clues, since young could allude to Oogway being naive, and ambitious in the fact they are still searching for what to do. Oogway working and loving a guy that was known for revenge, a slayer, a supreme warlord of China, and master of pain (supposedly to cause it to others) seems to indicate that.

This... this right here is what Kai was driven by. Oogway's past as an ambitious warrior and part of a conquering army, who learned compassion through the Pandas sharing their life with him (who had been taking life away at this point.) Oogway built a legacy of peace and his beginnings as a warrior seeking glory and causing destruction could be an interesting avenue for the story and fitting for Kai (who remained that warrior) and Po (who wanted to be a teacher that everyone could believe in) as everyone isn't perfect and makes mistakes, but always have the potential for great things regardless of where they came from.

@@SagesRainMaybe in his own eyes

everyone does expect me. i always love him

Meh. Both Kai and Chameleon is just as generic and by the numbers as each other

And why is that in your opinion?@@johans3164

​@@johans3164kai isnt generic as he had relationship with oogway and his powers were unique

@@erenjaeger-qy3yq yeah he is a bit unique due to his connection to Oogway but his goal is yet another "old friend betrayed me and i want to take over the world". Chameleon has a potential cause i like her backstory a bit better but the story didnt bother to focus on her that much and her plan also become generic sigh

It was like I the only one to truly love all KFP villains (including Kai). I loved Kai and even though he was the weakest (that title goes to that stupid lizard), he is a truly great villain compared to many other villains in dreamworks... like the chameleon. Tai Lung: 9/10 Lord Shen: 9/10 General Kai: 8/10 Chameleon: short/10

​@@MrDoodar10/10 for both, and when it comes to being actually scary kai takes the cake

I would have been spared a lot of pain if the worst thing Kai did was push someone down stairs 😂

Nope. It was pushing Po off the cliff while disguised as Zhen the fox and even viciously attacking him during their final fight encounter that made her extra intimidating. Plus she can transform into all those dangerous creatures.

@@santiagolopez3909 Still not intimidating at all

@@mildredmoss4427 Why not?

@@santiagolopez3909she’s the weakest out of all of them

(we don't talk about mantis) - Mike Mitchell

Not sure I fully agree with you on Tai Lung. His destiny was not really set in stone by Oogway, he just pushed his luck too far.

@@goji3908 Quite right.

@@santiagolopez3909 wasn’t referring to oogway. More shifu

@@austinhuber8440 I know that. But I don’t take the blame on him either. My point is Tai Lung was not ready for the title yet because of the self-centered pride and arrogance he showed in his dedication and commitment to accept the title, not to mention Oogway had different plans for who the chosen hero should be which draws a connection to the Chi learning techniques the pandas taught him presented in the third movie. Still, that does not mean Tai Lung cannot become a future dragon master someday, it was just not his turn yet. It was only because he pushed his luck too far that things went wrong, and I think the real problem was not really Master Shifu promising his adopted son a future destiny that was never fulfilled but because Oogway rejected him as a student without an explanation as he did not like what he saw and perhaps Tai Lung could have had a better chance to reach his goals if Oogway just instructed Shifu to help guide and mentor him so he could learn the path to finding inner peace and self-acceptance, the true secrets to becoming Dragon Warrior while Oogway looked for a different student to become the temporary dragon master like Po. It bothers me that no one even gave him a second chance in KFP4. At least I would like to see the fourth one end with Po bringing Tai Lung home with Master Shifu instead of returning him back to the Spirit realm so that Tai Lung can find peace again with Shifu and gain his trust back and apologize to Po for their past rivalry. Mind you I do not really expect for him to become the next dragon warrior after Po because he still owes many services to the Valley for his past crimes so the people don’t remember him as a fugitive anymore allowing for his jail sentence to be legally cancelled. Choosing him can wait for the last movies. So in the meantime, Po can train a different student like Zhen the fox or even select Tigress to be the next temporary Dragon warrior before Tai Lung’s turn comes. As someone who sympathies him I disagree with anyone who says it was not his destiny. I just think he needs to take the time to listen to Po’s advice about self discovery and growth to achieve your goals which is the true hidden message of the first movie and not coveted destiny. If Po can learn it, anyone can, if they are open to embrace that, so why not him? Once he has proven himself worthy to Po and gained the valley’s trust, I think it will be time to select him as the next dragon master which does not sound like a bad idea to me if he reaches his goals fair and square. I don’t see how choosing him will undo the first movie once the time is right as I have a different perspective on him. Another thought I had was Tai Lung training his nephew Peng to become the next dragon master after him, someone to pass on his name and legacy to. Or he just takes Peng under his wing to take his place if Tai Lung is already too old for title. Who knows? Maybe age does not matter in the Valley of Peace. Anyways, it’s just an opinion and thanks for sharing yours. I just wanted to point something out to you that I noticed and why I think Tai Lung’s destiny should not be determined by others. Unless you have a different excuse for that like his age or the fact that he’s already a spirit or even that he just won’t listen to Po’s advice or something like that. Could also be that he pushed his luck too far beyond the point of forgiveness, which hurts to think of that. I just wish the overarching plot of the fourth movie would be to give him a second chance by finding peace again with his father and a change of heart with the guaranteed promise that he will reach his goal someday, a goal of his choice. Now I hope to see if Zhen the fox will train his nephew Peng to become her next successor so that Tai Lung will at least be at peace knowing that he has someone to pass his name and legacy onto. I just not satisfied with his redemption arc in the fourth movie. Fortunately all that changed for me after watching a rewrite video on KFP4 in which he and Po team up along with Shifu to stop the chameleon, and I was satisfied knowing he got his wish at last in the end. But anyways, thank you for sharing your thoughts and perspective on him. To each their own. No one’s opinion is superior.

Agreed.

Not an opinion that's fax

True but if we’re comparing villains he may the weakest story wise unfortunately

Yeah i felt the same way

Fingers crossed for 4

another moment is when he talked about feeling betrayed by oogway when he fought shifu

they dont need vulnerability to be a cool enjoyable villain imo. If every villain is vulnerable then its boring honestly, makes them all too similar

It's quite the opposite if villains doesn't have any vulnerability just plain chatacter it is more boring​@@timurtheking

@@darklordvader66 I disagree. You can be complex and not vulnerable

Kai did tell Shifu when the latter made it clear he wouldn’t let Kai destroy Oogway’s memory, Kai said, “Why not? He destroyed mine!” I really do wish that instead of him already defeating Oogway, Kai finds a different way to either return to the mortal world to kill Po and take his chi which would give him the strength to destroy his rival, or he returns to the mortal world specifically to destroy Po to end everything that Oogway had created, and give us a ferocity and rage that we hadn’t seen in even Tai Lung. Kai has been trapped in a realm beyond his own for 500 years, that would piss me off to no end, knowing that my entire life and purpose was taken away. Instead of a bunch of jokes, they should’ve made him dead serious, almost humorless (and use the other characters’ humor to bounce off of his cold and ruthless personality if they really wanted to add humor at his expense). It just kinda wasted a great design, a great power, and a great VA in JK Simmons, especially after watching Invincible and knowing how terrifying he is as Omni man.

could say the same with oogway he is the anti kai

Oogway also had a legacy that people would remember him by, whereas Kai was completely forgotten by time, and it's evident in how frustrated he gets when he hears how no one knows who he is yet they knew who Oogway was

Kai is Anti-Oogway as Satan is Anti"Christ.

Yep overall he is still a good villain but not the greatest, Chameleon is 2.0 version of him lol

​@@mr.darkassassin7997I wouldn't even say she was a 2.0. She literally had no purpose whatsoever

@@ant6320 Honestly my comment is 2 months ago after I disappointed the fourth film but I agree

Or just the most poorly written character who has potential to be better.

@@santiagolopez3909 So the worst

Kai is just a villain for the sake of being a villain.

@@SpammytheHedgehog sometimes people forget that's what needed

@@mandalorianhunter1especially Sage’s Rain which is sad

Good point.

Yes but no. His evil started as simple greed and grew and eventually being vengeful grew with it as from his perspective, he saved oogway and oogway betrayed him

Why so?

​@@monoooookbecause now we have a worse villain with no backstory or anything driving them to be a villain in kfp 4

​@@monoooookBecause of the 4th movie

No it didn’t

The movie is still bad. Just bc a worse one came out it doesn’t invalidate that fact.

Props for them sticking to the whole 'power corrupts' though that we've seen be the main reason for A LOT of that universe's villains turning(the original dragon warrior, some of Oogway's other students, and(minus the current incarnation) the strongest member of the Furious Five of every known generation)

Damn that's actually a cool idea.props

Bruh sometimes just let a villain be evil why do u guys love to make all villains sympathetic

@@Invisibleboy999It's not the fact that he is pure evil, shen was the same way.Its the fact that there's barely a reason why he's doing the stuff does in this movie and the motive the movie does have is incredibly half ass ,not interested, nor compelling.

@@spacegojiraxz-1715 their is a reason if u didnt pay attention to the movie then u may feel that way also a villain doesnt have to have complex motives sometimes they just wanna rule the world is that bad?

I honestly thought that's what happened, Oogway is a bad person Before and changed after being healed

TBF they were conquering battles so Oogway had to have been a different person. I assume they both had similar upbringings and during that time period there was always fighting. The Panda's may have been the first people to ever showed them help and kindness and he realized things can get better. I mean Oogway is like what 1000 yrs old? That's a lot of time for change especially since one of your biggest fights ended 500 yrs ago.

What did you want, smoke signals? The guy started his story with “I was an AMBITIOUS young warrior" Oogway was evil.

@@10RexTheWolf01 I'm aware of the possibility which is why I brought it up, what I wanted of the story was for it to do something with this potential. Also the idea of oogway possibly being a bad person long ago can only be inferred quite loosely and could easily be missed, I sure missed it for the longest time.

@@drackocampusanolara4899 well ya sorta got me there since I haven't watched the film in a hot minute but can you please read past the first sentence. The film did nothing with that information, what could've lead to an interesting message went nowhere, that is the point of what I am saying.

If Tai Lung was Yang and Shen was Yin, then Kai is Po's opposite in every way.

Shifu explained it through a scroll early in the movie

@@UnskippapleNPCI think they mean why he wanted the power all to himself

YES. Just. Yes.

So what

​@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674He's saying that Kai's motivation is far more simplistic than his predecessors.

isnt tai lung and kais motivation the same with differences only on their past? tai lung wants power to prove something, kai also wants power to prove that taking power is better than giving same with their backstories

@@EJOW159 what’s wrong with it tho

I'd argue that Kai wanted to be fully realized, think about it, a running gag of people not knowing anything about him but EVERYONE knows oogway. In the movie he exclaims how oogway betrayed him as they where both warlords.

Do all villains need to have humility to be good?

I think he meant humanity based on contex

​@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674while no... it helps villains standing out and able to connect to but evil villains that are evil because yes is good but most likes a sympathetic villains.

Well, his whole thing was failing and then having to stew in defeat for years. Arrogance is not being fueled there

@@Darkpallyz not all villains have humanity tho

​@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511 Yeeeeeeaaaaah no. The chameleon is the first KFP villain with no connection to anyone. (At least from the trailers)

Yeah but Kai was Oogway's Brother-in-arms

@@liamphibia got a connection with zheb but not saying she's a good villian

@@JiecinDumolang2011 Correct!

Hard disagree. Kai is already "pure evil" and his backstory is almost forgettable. He just shows that without charisma and themes any villain would be boring

That would've been a great addition to the story

He was never the worst

Fr, Kai is not bad, but the plot of the movie he was in restrained his potential. Kai could do much better if the plot build him the same way as Tai Lung and Lord Shen did instead of joking about him like the "Who?" jokes, the time when he arrived at the panda village where Po teased him and the "What's that!" scene.

@@garvynimmanuel4897 God this comment is so hypocrite. First off almost all the villains was treating like jokes. Like remember when tigress told Po about tai lung backstory Po made a silly face at the end of the story this was a serious moment and the movie made it a joke. Like Po vs tai lung Po was making fun of tai lung. Shen and Kai fight was more serious. Like when Po first might Tai lung he was not afraid. The something with Shen. Shen was getting ready to meet Po thinking about what to say to him But when Po first might shen it was jokes about Po being fat and Po not taking shen serious.

@@garvynimmanuel4897 And Po teased all of his villains.

@@SullivanDLuffy Tai Lung was treated as a manace from the beginning (the prison escape scene), mid (when he fought the Furious Five) and near the end of the movie (When he fought Shifu) with the exception of the final fight where Po completely playing with him. While Kai was treated as a joke RIGHT from the very beginning of the movie. No one remember him, the "Who?" jokes, the "What's that!" scene, the time Po absolutely ragdoll him across the spirit realm and many more.

One would argue that he’s also a way of showing a figure of no identity. The third film is about Po mastering himself, while Kai just masters everyone else’s chi except for his own. He is forgotten after 500 years, and the minute he returns, he begins hunting for any other Kung Fu master to gain more chi. He becomes no more than just power, chi, and greed. While Po learns to master his own chi, Kai masters other’s chi, but not his own.

More of identity. We learn by the end of the movie that mastering chi is through finding a meaning of what you mean to others. Kai doesn’t understand this. But does the complete opposite as his goals coolerate with taking away app’s family and friends. So Kai was the obstacle to Po mastering chi or having anyone in his life.

Agreed

I feel like the peacock was also uncaring. I don’t think Kai is the only one here? Maybe you could elaborate further with what you mean?

@@DazombieAlien for the peacock this was super personal. He was fortold he'd be undone by a warrior of black and white to he went out and massacred all the pandas. When his parents rejected him for his cruelty he tried to bring all China to it's knees tout of a need for approval. Kai meanwhile... Just wanted more power for power's sake. He didn't care about oogway and his legacy

@@shadeblackwolf1508 I see, good explanation!

He didn't really "fall to the dark side". it's more like Oogway "rose to the lightside". They both were tyrant-warriors fighting in some sort of hellish conflict, leading troops into battle. Oogway just turned to peace and self-sacrifice while Kai stuck with war and self-preservation.

I wish we gotten deeper into that

He didn’t really need to know why. Much like Shen, he didn’t seem like a good person from the start. It was what shaped his motivation is what matters, and all that matters is that he loved Oogway but he “betrayed” him. Now all Kai wants to do is see his legacy turn.

He was always evil, Oogway turned good.

as said by how Oogway betrayed Kai it is hinted that they were both bad and that Oogway turned good so Kai never really fell tot he darkside. I like to think of Kai as a pure evil villain. He likes power so he takes it. He should just be a villain

It's possible that it wasn't accepted like this in the past when the chameleon was a student(she seems kinda old).

​​​@@srsklab2013 that's a weak excuse... if that was the intent then they would have to say something about why the other small characters didn't get discrimenated against with some Dialoge that reveals that things were "different back then"... but since they didn't they either forgot or didn't care.

Agreed! 👍

He was settling his score by destroying every remnant memory of Oogway. Although I do agree there was more potential.

Considering Kai only really seems to be known either by A) People with extremely close ties to Oogway, or B) People with extremely in depth knowledge of fighters Him 'settling the score' was trying to wipe Oogway's legacy, like his own basically vanished and then rebuild his: he destroys the Jade Palace, turns the Five and Shifu(Oogway's 'disciples' in the way of combat basically), then goes to hunt down the dragon warrior, who is basically Kung Fu Jesus...that Oogway crowned. He only achieved like, 45% of his goal when Po forced him back into the spirit world

Normally I disagree with quite a bit of critiques on Kai but the one with Kai bringing Po over to his side is honestly a great point. He has nothing against Po, he just is taking his shit out on Oogway. Imagine a compromise or something. None of the other villains did that. Edit; also yeah his contributions and maybe a scene looking through the scrolls could’ve happened.

@@kyleb7974 I thought I responded to this whoops. Yeah, like I have nothing against Kai, he is a fun villain, I like him. It's just when you smack him against the other 2 villains there's just something missing, like he's not a boring villain he's just duller. Now that i think about it Kai could have been a reverse Shin, Shin killed Po's village, which clearly wasn't the secret panda village that Kai and Oogay visited 500 years ago, and Shin only had distain for the pandas due to the prophecy, so it would've been interesting to see Kai have a scene where he fights Po really early and just looks disappointed in him and says "did they not teach you anything?" Also in the first movie Tai Lung was "what Po could've been", in the Second Shin was a reflection of trauma, so it wouldve been interesting if Kai was "what his teacher could've been" a dark reflection of Oogway and Shifu, and probably tempt Po with the fact that Oogway never told Po anything about the Pandas. That could've been a really compelling scene, instead of just Kai looking through the scrolls in the Jade Palace, it's Kai and Po, and they realize that not only did Oogway not tell anyone about the pandas, but that they aren't even in the scrolls, Po would realize that the Pandas aren't mentioned, but their teachings are since everything Oogway teaches stems from it, and Kai would realize he's not in the scrolls at all, and they could come to too different answers, Po would probably say Oogway was trying to protect them, while Kai would only feel more betrayed, and THIS leads him to destroy the Palace.

@@WeirdFaden I will respond a little later but yeah. Kai is a really good villain, but that missing element is VERY noticeable

​@@kyleb7974his weakest of the trilogy

@@mrstrangeworld5977 It technically is but not to a large extent. It misses some elements, but it’s a solid render that has a lot of the stuff of why Kung Fu Panda is great. Could’ve used more gut wrenching scenes though, even if they did do very well in the aspect of how you master chi in the movie.

Funny that as an Easter egg one of Kai's jade pendants has Tai Lung's face, meaning that Kai already defeated and absorbed him before the movie. Also it would've been cool for Kai to use Oogway to fight the heroes, it would've allowed some emotional moments.

Not betrayed, they just sought different goals is all.

Ngl I knew Kai wanted to take the pandas for power to take revenge on the army that ambushed them, but I actually never caught the allegory for the fact his literal Jade zombies are supposed to be armies. That’s actually genius considering that’s probably actually what he was trying to do. Also to back up your points, they definitely were conquerors because Kai introduced himself to the villagers as “Supreme Warlord of all China” Ngl there is some human connection with Kai and that is betrayal, and inner demons. He symbolizes what happens when someone feels dragged down by another, and now all he wants to do is see that person and anything he stands for burn. Think of it as an anarchist but to a person. Thus the “Beast of Vengeance” by letting his worst demons get to him

The thing you wrote sounds really interesting, wish it was in the movie though. You are filling the blank sides of the story, not revealing it. But yeah, thanks, this is my new headcanon now, since it's really good.

Half of that is your interpretation and it's speculation. You are trying to give depth to something that wasn't touched in the movie because the creators didn't think it was important enough. Kai wasn't built as a villain. The beginning of the movie took so much away. That was basically the best fight of the movie

@@yot330 First of all the movies don't have much time to focus on all the characters equally. Secondly, villains in movies, especially conquerors, should not be likable to the viewer because you should not root for them or take their side. Thirdly, my description of events followed a very simple course of events that are very possible to happen, with the information we received and with our knowledge of this world. I did not write anything that is impossible, but that there is a high level of possibility that it happened, maybe not in the same course and detail, but with what we know that's how it most likely happened. Oogway says that he and Kai led an army, that they fought side by side and were ambushed, with this we can imagine that they lost their army in that ambush, or that their own army betrayed them but the first seems more possible to me. Oogway said that they led an army and that he was an ambitious young warrior and nothing else, and that could mean that he led his own army along with his friend Kai, or that he was an ambitious warrior in someone else's army, but since he didn't mention anyone it's more possible that it's their own army. And what would two ambitious young warriors do with their own army if they weren't serving an emperor or some other lord ruler? that's right, they would most likely be conquerors because why would they even have their own army if they are not in the service of a ruler, therefore an ambush by China itself, or a ruler from the land that they were conquering seems more possible than anything else. In that ambush it was said that Oogway was very badly wounded and that Kai had been carrying him around for days looking for help, and usually if the corpses of the army leaders were not found to confirm the victory, then they would in more cases send a search for them around the country, which would be the reason for Kai not to stop until they are somewhere safe. When Oogway was healed Kai like any great army leader and conqueror started thinking how to get back into the game when they lost everything, and the CHI learning the pandas showed them opened a lot of doors to solve mortal problems, and Kai realized that "what can be given can also be taken" which would be why Kai wants to become more powerful, and go back to the original plan that he and Oogway had, but Oogway changed and started adopting the lifestyle of those who healed him, and that's where partnership and friendship fell apart as the two began to live drastically different lives, which led to their fight. It makes sense that when Kai came back he wanted to get rid of all the possible threats to him, and as we see in the movie he eliminated all the martial arts masters in China, and we know that from that scene where Shifu gets all those arrows about what Kai is doing, so Kai will at the end get rid of the pandas that started his path of CHI, and he would most likely after that go back to conquering because what else would he do, if he was a conqueror in the past, and now after eliminating all threats and having all the power what else would he do if not conquering as in his youth. Don't forget that Oogway made sure that people forget about Kai, because that would connect him with Kai and his past life which he didn't want to describe in detail, or tell anyone else, Kai was his friend he fought side by side with, Oogway didn't have to erase knowledge of him or ever mention him to anyone, until Kai himself showed up to introduce himself to everyone, and yes I know it's been 500 years, but there are equally old stories of great warriors throughout history that are still remembered, and why does no one know anything about this great warrior who fought side by side with the young Oogway, as if no one is allowed to know this past, and details as with other warriors of history of there world.

@@PetarSon it's not that deep🤣. I appreciate the effort you put into this story but this is way too complicated. Kai saw the potential of chi and wanted the power. So he saw how the pandas used it and reversed the mechanisms. So instead of giving he started taking. Oogway explained that he figured that out by himself. The army was not even shown as it had no relevance. They had all the time they wanted to build Kai but they decided to base the entire villain arc on his ability to turn others into his chi.

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