I hated making this video. This was supposed to be an ending explained video, but by the time I was through writing it, I realized it was more of an overview of my thoughts of the movie. I could call it a movie review formally in the title, but I don't know. I just wanted to get some of these thoughts out concisely before I start breaking down all of the subjects I brought up in this video one by one. I didn't even dive into the Staff of Wisdom or all of my thoughts on Tai Lung's relationship with Po! This year though I'm trying to be more honest, upfront, and transparent with my thoughts on the subject matter I'm discussing, and this is unfortunately an example of that. But just because Kung Fu Panda 4 disappointed me, that doesn't mean you can't enjoy it. I want you to be able to have fun with things! I don't want to add to the noise and be a megaphone for hate. I desperately wanted to love Kung Fu Panda 4! I just couldn't hold back that truth about how I felt. Let me know what you thought of the video! I'm always open to constructive feedback! Of course, thanks for watching, and I hope you have a magical day! 🐼

Po: passed the title of Dragon Warrior to an unknown thief. Tigress: Am I a joke to you?

Shen : *commits genocide* Chameleon : *pushes someone through the stairs*

One of my biggest fears has come true. And it's that Puss in Boots 2 wasn't a sign of a new direction for DreamWorks, it was an anomaly.

Man, I’m really disappointed that tigress wasn’t appointed as the dragon warrior. She had more experience than Po and had a much deeper connection than that random fox thief.

How to ruin a movie 1)Have Akwafina 2)Make villains motive dumb 3)Not have the OG director Edit: 700 likes is crazy Edit 2: I have started a war :/

Tai Lung: *Tests Po’s physical prowess* Shen: *Test's Po’s mental prowess* Kai: *Tests Po's spiritual prowess* Chameleon: *Tests nothing audience's patience* Her motivation makes no sense and the most evil thing she does, Shifu already did to Po in the first movie. She can have the combined power of all the villains, but she's undoubtedly the weakest of the franchise.

I am so disappointed that they brought back Lord Shen and he does not speak. I mean there was so much potential. Heck, they had a whole subplot of Po’s panda dad learning to be brave, what is braver than facing the peacock who attacked your village, was responsible for killing your friends, family and wife and the reason you were separated from your son for years. An interaction between them would have been golden.

Kung fu panda 4 feels like a tv special that plays on nickelodeon every now and then, what a shame

Honestly the chameleon feels like it had so much potential but her origin of beign too "small"... Mantis would like a Word on the matter

Tai Lung not being a main character and getting a full story was a SLAP in our faces!

First thing Tai Lung did on screen was break out of prison and kill all the guards. Lord Shen, commits panda genocide. General Kai, takes Oogway's chi. First thing the Chameleon does: Pushes someone down a bunch of stairs. And they survive. And Shifu already did that to Po in yhe first one. At that to her morals making no sense when you remember Mantis exists and you have the weakest KFP villain yet.

It's like whoever was in charge of this movie went: "Hey, let's take the first three movies... AND DO NONE OF THAT! Kung Fu Panda 4!"

chameleon should have acted like an actual chameleon causing doubt and impersonating as po’s friends and family making po unsure of who he can trust or not or pretending to be po and destroy his reputation. I also wanted shifu to see “tai lung” and shifu getting mad when he realises that someone stole tai lung kung fu or impersonating him not to mention kai and shen had no voice lines i also wanted shen to see po’s father and i kinda wanted to see the thundering rhino again the one who got killed by shen

You know it wasn't so good when Isaac Carlsen says it was disappointing

What's sad is that the co director wanted this movie to be more like 1st and 2nd one's bit wasn't allowed to since the main director had the control.

One idea that I would think would have worked better is if the Chameleon hunted down the Furious Five and took their Kung Fu and use their Kung Fu against Po. That way we could have seen more of the Furious Five in the movie and Po would have had to fight his best friends. The Five have never had a villain that's directly related towards them (aside from Tai Lung and who would get the dragon scroll). Po, Shifu and Oogway each had a villain with a backstory but the Five haven't. The Chameleon could have had a backstory about how maybe she wasn't good enough to be a part of the Five or have had some backstory with them. That could have given Chameleon more depth in character.

I also full heartedly agree that Po seeking out and choosing his successor should have been solely HIS own self made decision rather than Shifu practically forcing that decision upon him which yeah… this has always been the problem I’ve had with Shifu

Tigeres deserved to be dragon warrior

The Chameleon felt like one member of a quirky villain group. Shapeshifting powers, cool design, and a random single sentence backstory. I could see her losing to one of the Furious Five while Po and the others climatically defeat their own opponents.

Chameleon: I became a villain because they can't teach me due to me being small. Mantis: am I joke to you?

And honestly Po is better off as the Dragón Warrior, they Will not let him go. SO instead of passing the torch it would be Best if he shared it

I just want to point out, Tai Lung was the only villain Po skadooshed, Shen was crushed by a cannon, and Kai exploded, I guess?

If this is what happens to Kung Fu Panda, I am GENUINELY scared for the next Shrek movie

The plot itself doesn’t make sense, Oogway choosed Po for two things, because Po was choosen by the universe to be the dragon warrior (something that Tigress and Tai lung wasn’t) and becuase Oogway was in her last years.(And because it wasn’t is destiny) Maybe the narrative could fix this, but the problem is that the narrative is almost nonexistent

I love how almost every video talking about this movie has the same exact title.

Tai Lung: Kills a thousand people just to escape prison, and beats the Furious Five and Shifu with ease. Lord Shen: Commits panda genocide, takes over Gongman City with his wolf army, and also beats the Furious Five. Kai: Steals people’s chi, turning them into obedient zombified minions, and beats most of the Furious Five (save for Tigress), Shifu, and even Oogway! Chameleon: Pushes people down the stairs and does literally nothing for most of the movie. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

I have millions of questions from this movie, the biggest one being , how in the world, the evilest of evil Villains, shen and kai bowed to po and happily went back to spirit realm?? Whats in the spirit realm, a strip club or something?

I haven't seen the movie, but if Isaac Carlson, one of if not the most positive person I've ever subscribed to on here, says it's disappointing, that means it's gotta be REALLY disappointing

Aside from Mitchell initially trying to exclude Shen and the Furious 5 (especially Tigress), and stupidly ditching Shifu's kidnapping and reconciliation with Tai Lung (all due to budgeting) the biggest problem could be the one animation weakness ... short run times. Many movies feel incomplete and rushed and so scenes we'd love to see but never do (EX: Tigress's guilt and apologizing to Po for her earlier behavior, Shifu and Mr. Ping having a talk about being foster fathers, Shifu and Tigress finally having a father-daughter moment, Po and Tigress finishing their boat conversation, the 5 learning what Shen did to the Pandas, Po and Tigress having nightmares post-Gongmen, Tigress adapting well in the Panda Village and reminded how horribly she treated Po with Panda Stereotypes but coming far since then, Tigress and the rest of the 5 declining Po's offer to become Dragon Warrior, etc.). 🐼🐯

Hate how the Furious Five have been forgotten about after the original KFP Trilogy? Like where were they in Paws of Destiny, The Dragon Knight and now KFP 4? Po could have easily given The Dragon Warrior role to Tigress instead of Zhen!

Honestly with Kung Fu Panda 4’s mixed reception and the whole Megamind fiasco I really think this should remind people that DreamWorks ISN’T better than Disney I mean EVERY Film Studio is going to have its share of Good, Bad and Mid movies as well as questionable creative and corporate decisions Heck I have way more issues with KFP4 than I did with Wish same thing a few years ago where I found more problems with How to train your Dragon The Hidden World than with Frozen II Now I’m in No way gonna defend all of Disney’s decisions but it still really aggravates me how people continuously harp on them when other Film and TV companies can be just as bad if not worse.

It's the simple fact that they half-assed this movie. If people enjoy it for what it is and want to watch a funny movie with action, that's perfectly fine. I'm happy for everyone who liked it. But for many of the fans who have been waiting over eight years for the next instalment, we know that DreamWorks can do a lot better. Fire the new director. The guy who directed Trolls and the Boss Baby was an immediate red flag and should not have been anywhere close to this beloved franchise. Bring back Jennifer Yuh Nelson and Stephanie Mastine, as they knew what they were doing. Hell, bring back Guillermo del Toro while they're at it. He's the reason KFP2 ended up being as great as it was. Bring back the Furious Five, deeper storytelling, better writing for the characters and villain, etc. The fact that they cheaped out and did _nothing_ with Tigress of all characters (after her being absent for two streaming shows in a row, btw) is beyond baffling. They brought back Tai Lung, a character who hasn't been seen for nearly twenty years, just to give him around five minutes of screen time. What were they thinking thinking??

Kung Fu Panda used to be a flawless franchise 😢

Honestly, I would have written Chamelon like this. A sorcerer, who tried to learn Kung Fu, but never saw improvement. She was always told her Kung Fu was flawed and bad. Then, she took the easy way. She copied the stronger students, the way she copies the villains. The difference being, she would add just 1 more thing. One more thing to be superior to their Kung Fu and surpass it. As of that, she began thinking that Kung Fu was trash. She could easily just copy anyone and add a little touch to it, and voila, she was better than them. This however, is not what Kung Fu is in Kung fu panda. Kung Fu is about originality, that's litterally what the 1st and 3rd movie was about. The 1st taught us that Po had his own style (well everyone in the furious 5 did), he had to be trained differently. 3rd movie, he himself comes to that conclusion, and the Pandas all learn Kung Fu, but in a way that utilitzes their talents, like the dancer using nunchucks, the kids learning how to use fireworks as soccer balls, or the hug guy basicly being a grappler. All were taught a style they could best utilize. The Chameleon has no original style, which goes against the very concept of Kung Fu in this series. That's way better than "I was called too smol, oh boy, sad wittle me" when MANTIS exists

I wanted Tai Lung to become the new dragon warrior and redeem himself, maybe train with Master Oogway and learn to mend his darkness. The fox could still learn kung fu, maybe form another furious five

You know it’s bad when even Issac says it is

The fact two of my favorite characters, Tigress being the best Heroine in media, and Shen still remains as the most terrifying villain in the KFP to date is amazing. I utterly loved both of them to this day, yet, we got a downgraded version of them thanks to Zhen ( who in my defense, ruins the entire movie for me and makes me angry for how annoying she is. ) and Chemeleon, I feel disappointed but upset too.

What really upsets me about KFP4 is that there was no conclusion between shifu and tai-lung. I really wanted them to have a true reconcile before tai-lung went back to the spirit world and he can be in peace, but sadly it didn’t happen. And another thing that annoyed me is Zhen becoming the new dragon warrior. Like does she seriously deserves it after she freaking betrayed po??? Yes, she changed her mind and helped po stop the chameleon but that still doesn’t excuse what she did. She really didn’t deserve to take po’s place. If you ask me, it should’ve been tigress since she was the most devoted into becoming the dragon warrior before po took that title. It’s a shame that this 4th movie was a disappointment, I just hope they do a better job for the 5th movie if dreamworks is still willing to do more kung fu panda until the 6th movie.

The Real Problem with Kung fu panda 4: IT EXISTS

I almost wish there was a game adaptation of this movie like the older Kung Fu panda movies just to see if it’s story would be better

They did have a lame excuse for the Furious Five not being in the movie, though they really need to stop making the side characters have such huge voice actors. The reason Monkey barely has any lines throughout the original trilogy is because Jackie Chan is such an expensive voice actor to get into the role, and multiply that by 5, every line they say is costing them lots of money. What they 'Should' do, is just replace the voice actors with sound-alikes and make them more prominent characters who maybe have their own stories taking center focus in the movies. That way they don't have to worry about 'including more characters and having to worry about splitting screen time among so many new characters that the old ones get shafted'. Also, as a side note, the first KFP movie stated that they had been waiting a thousand years for the next Dragon Warrior to be selected. Why do they desperately need Po to retire and pick a new one? ... And how the **** is Shen and Kai there? Shen never had 'kung fu chi' and was just normally killed, not sent to the spirit world, and Kai was *exploded* in his spirit form in the spirit world, there is no spirit left to bring back, lol.

I still think they should have used a Siberian Tiger as the villain (like imagine a scary tiger like they did with the wolf from Puss in Boots 2). And if I made a Kung fu Panda movie it would be like this: The Siberian tiger would have a team full of tigers (evil furious five tigers), the tiger would awaken an ancient evil demon, Po needs help and goes to spirit world to get help, Tai Lung decides to help and redeems himself by helping Po. Also have Shifu and Tai Lung fully forgive each other and finally have a bond like father and son type that they once had. To add it more personal to the story and furious five, one of the evil tigers from the team would be Tigress father. Again its what I would do if I could make a Kung Fu Panda movie, it would be quite serious tone like Kung Fu Panda 2

There is no Kung Fu Panda 4 in Ba Sing Se.

What could have been a great premise was zhen was actually the chameleon and po was convinced that that zhen is actually good and willingly gives the staff but after it zhen reveals her true identity

The fact that the furious five didn’t get the full screentime as the supporting cast or even got their own spinoff is a double whammy

I like Tai Lung’s redemption, I think it’s cool how he came to terms with the fact that he will never be the dragon warrior after all those years of being trapped in the spirit realm but it doesn’t make as much sense for Shen and especially Kai (suffered defeat from Po the most recently, and held a grudge for 500 years so it doesn’t make sense why he would just drop it) and it doesn’t really make sense as to why Kai returned anyway since he no longer exists in the spirit realm. Involving the villains in the plot would’ve made a lot more sense if they wanted to give them a redemption, maybe they could’ve escaped the Chameleon before she could take their chi and be forced to work with Po and take down the Chameleon’s army instead of the criminals to allow Po to fight the Chameleon, maybe then it would’ve made more sense for them to have redemption arcs, but that’s just my opinion. I still enjoyed the film but it doesn’t hold up to the original trilogy IMO

Kung Fu Panda 4 was literally the most confusing sequel I've ever scene in the Franchise, the conflicted issues to the original trilogy are paramount and offer no ingenuity here. Honestly much like other ratings, I would give it a solid 6/10, the only saving graces for the films rushed plot was the cameos. Although the lack of voicing does hurt that area as well. Isaac you've hit this nail on the head although I didn't mind the villains being respectful as it reminds me of No Way Home of the MCU. It is equivalent to that of Pirates of the Caribbean on Stranger Tides, mixed, confusing and strange.

One thing that helped me about the way Shen acted toward Po, was the thought that maybe Shen met his parents in the Spirit World, and finally found peace. I thought the way Tai Lung was executed in the movie was fine, but I would've appreciated tha along with respect, Tai Lung would've said something like "I still hate you, Panda". That would have been nice. One last thing, I am not even sure that Kai should be alive

I’m not surprised because now movies are not trying now

Bro said" disappointed,sad and powerless"💀

As much as I hated this movie, I’m just happy Ian McShane reprised his role as Tai Lung. So nice hearing his voice again! Wish Kai and Shen’s VAs returned or at least had one line (Same with the Furious Five) but still.

My thought is this: At best, it's just okay. At worst, it's a unnecessary sequel that did nothing to justify its existence. I will say the movie has beautiful animation, there's some good humor, I love Po's dads the most (despite being in a plot that could have been easily cut out), the voice acting is solid, and the action is well handled. However, no amount of action and pretty visuals can overcome how frustrating and poorly handled the story and characters are. Many returning ones are ignored or poorly handled, the new ones are fine but uninteresting (Chameleon looked cool though and love her shape-shifting abilities), and the relationship between Po and Zhen, while not awful, isn't believable enough for me to get invested in. The theme of change, while a great idea on paper, isn't properly explored as the movie doesn't commit to that idea fully. But the big kick in the heart for me was the return of Tai Lung. When I saw him coming back, I was so excited! I actually had no interest in the movie until I found out he was coming back, as I love Tai Lung in the first movie (so much so it gave me a good reason to rewatch the first movie), and it looked amazing in the trailer. I really thought something special was happening, especially with how it was said the other villains would pop up. Sadly, Tai Lung was in it for 3-5 minutes, with an incredibly rushed redemption arc (if you could even call it that). I will say I love his return and the fight he had was epic. Short but epic. I would have forgiven that if the marketing and the filmmakers weren't being deceptive, saying that they had a lot of exciting things to show off in 4 and that Tai Lung was gonna have a role of sorts in the movie. The fact that they baited me, along with many others to go see the movie with that genuinely makes me mad, and because of that, I will never watch another Kung Fu Panda movie or whatever thing they got in mind in the future. If you won't give me what you advertise, or outright lie about your product to your customer, then why should I come back for whatever mediocre future you got in store for the audience? No wonder Hollywood is failing. They don't wanna respect the audience. And you know what's sad? This movie, on paper, could have been amazing! But instead, it's amazing in how badly the filmmakers messed up Kung Fu Panda 4! I will enjoy the first three movies and some other stuff, but after 4, I'm officially done with the Kung Fu Panda franchise.

Dreamworks was willing to hire Mr. Beast for one line in the movie but not the original furious five voice actors

Tai lung: Decimates the valley while fighting Po Shen: Commits genocide against the panda’s Kai: Erases all memory of Oogway Chameleon: Pushes someone down the stairs 💀

What bothers me is that Kai himself was supposed to be dead after he was blown up from all the Chi he has been wielding.

Lets face it the movie wasnt too good because tai lung didnt get enough spot light

I knew kungfu panda 4 would flop the first time I heard about it. Kungfu panda 3 has already wrapped up the entire story in the cleanest way possible, there's no way you can add more to it without the whole thing collapsing. I'm gonna pretend this entire movie is non canon for the rest of my life

At first when I saw you're video for Kung Fu Panda 4 explaning that Tai Lung, Shen and Kai were gonna come back the first thought I had about it was that they were all gonna team up to destroy Po and everything and everyone he loved. But when you said that at the end they bowed and were greatful to him I just couldn't believe it. And also it reminded me of you're video explaning Tai Lung wanting redemption twards Po for freeing him from Kai.

Yeah it is. I mean, the Movies 1- 3 Let us watch Po grow, not only in his role as the Dragon Warrior, but also in his character. He goes trough many Hardships to find inner peace and I don't understand, why he now needs to find a succsesor? I thought Po was Chosen to be THE Dragon Warrior. He is something unique. This is something, that can't be carried over trough training!

Yes... Ugway spent decades being alive before any dragon warrior was declared. Po shows up and then hands the dragon warrior status to Zhen after only 4 movies? That to me is very disappointing 😞 Yeah I get it. Po is a panda and not a wise aged turtle, but still. We watched him grow into the dragon warrior and now it's a power that can be given away like candy? Seems too easy of a cope out for me. I would have liked to see Po's adventures as the fully realized dragon warrior BEFORE handing those gifts to the next generation. Just makes me sad cause I really like Po as a character and he's why I watched the movies/TV show

After the whole fiasco with this movie, let's just say my expectations for the next line of movies is definitely low. If they're just gonna keep going the same route, then Kung Fu Panda 3 is the official end for me. I'll treat the sequel trilogy the same as I treat the TV shows. A non-canon fanfiction that can be watched if you want more Kung Fu Panda without it contradicting any of the lore and storytelling of the main three films.

I was VERY disappointed. It's so sad, especially after hearing how people that worked on it fought for it to be more like 1 and 2, but were turned down in most ways. And I think you really hit the mark in this whole discussion when you mentioned how you felt you were punished by being a fan that knows all the lore of this franchise. Because a lot of people say that the movie is good (at least many kids and parents), and I think that's mostly because they don't realize how many plot holes this movie has, and that they don't really compare the movie to the other 3 like we who are big fans of them do.

YES, I was SO MAD about Shifu's staff not being broken. They shoved so many callbacks to the previous movies into this one and yet forgot important details like this. ...plus basically everything else wrong with this movie.

Kung Fu Panda 4 isn't a bad movie it's just not as good as the other ones and you have got to give them some credit. Dreamworks has made absolute bangers like puss in boot the last wish, kung fu panda 2, the bad guys, Megamind. and they are some of the best animated movies ever. With that, you can't expect them to deliver the best movies ever every time. Sometimes it does actually look like they put in 0 effort like Megamind 2, but kung fu panda 4 is the cheapest movie in the franchise and the animation is still crazy. My point is if you're making a movie that goes down in history as one of the best movies ever, it's hard to top that off. The thing that makes something the best isn't just how good it is, but also how hard it is replicate something of that standard.

i agree because one thing that made the chameleon weak as it already is was a backstory that explains why he became a villain like how tai lung became a villain because he wasn't chosen as the dragon warrior or how lord shen became a villain when he did a genocide and got banished from his home and how kai became a villain after oogway saw the bad in him and banished him to the spirit realm you get the point

When Puss in Boots: The Last Wish came out, I thought ALL of the upcoming Dreamworks sequels would be good and epic (As they used to be) But Instead we got Megacringe and a mediocre Kung Fu Panda movie Now I’m worried for Shrek 5

The team behind 4 desperately hoping people forget that Shifu kicked Po down the stairs to the Jade Palace in the first movie as a joke so that the Chameleon looks more threatening and dangerous when she does it

You know it's bad when isaac says it is.

I feel like this couldve been fixed by fixing a minor issue with the 3rd movie. Maybe in the 3rd movie, Po still becomes a teacher but so do the five because as Shifu points out, theyre getting older and they cant always be there to protect the valley. So they start letting in people who are interested in learning kung fu, in hopes to find the next Furious Five. One of the applicants being Chameleon, who I'll call Xiao (its strange that she's only referred to as Chameleon when the previous villains have proper names. Also, Xiao means small in Chinese which refers to her size). Xiao came from a long line of kung fu masters herself but she herself couldnt seem to get a hang of it so she was sent to Po in hopes that maybe the Dragon Warrior, the Furious Five and the great Shifu could potentially help her. Sadly, she turns out to not have any potential kung fu no matter who is teaching her be it one of the Five or Po or even Shifu. I imagine that they were going to send Xiao away when Kai attacked and instead fighting alongside the Five and the other students, Xiao hid away and from her hiding spot she watched Kai use what she thought was magic to turn everyone into jade pendants and summon jade minions. Thats when she had an idea. If she cant learn kung fu the natural way, then fine, she'll cheat and steal everyone's kung fu. Then cut to movie 4 and yeah, Xiao has stolen Kai and Tai Lung's kung fu but also other people's kung fu like Po's graduates and even the five and Po's kung fu, which forces Po to relearn everything he worked for. Also, maybe just to rub salt onto an open wound, she took on his appearance and made everyone believe she's Po so now Po has to prove that he's the real Po but well, he doesnt have his kung fu so that's obviously a problem.

The story felt really rushed

Zen was the peach pit. Zen was po. That’s why po chose her. We see zen, like the tournament audience saw po in the first movie. And po saw zen, as oogway once saw him. Or… he just threw the title away, so zen could prove herself, I dunno . 🤷‍♂️

Personally I think they could’ve also made a character growth moment in the movie about Shifu forcing Po to find a successor, when it could’ve played out as Shifu attempting to force Po into training someone to follow in his footsteps, and be the next dragon warrior, and then have him grow to realize both through his (Shifu’s) interactions with Tai Lung again and maybe some spirit world magic with Oogway that there won’t be another dragon warrior, that Po will find a different and new successor, so that Po doesn’t repeat the same mistakes as Shifu did by assuming someone should be the next dragon warrior, and instead train people to be their own person, which would also contrast nicely with some other ideas people put here for chameleons origins being that of copying others to get better. Furthermore, it would also tie every lesson from the previous movies. All in one nice little B plot for shifu.

Why does nobody care about how Kai was still alive in this movie after getting destroyed in The Spirit Realm?

I actually thought this film was gonna come out a lot later like during the summer. I honestly didn’t expect it to come out now. And that’s definitely saying something because I still haven’t seen the third movie yet.

I actualy enjoyed the movie in my first watch, but during my second time watching it i already started to see the flaws on why people didnt like the movie. Honestly the 4th movie should've been the last and final film of the franchise and i think a dark and serious tone would've suit the film more in my opinion. Also i think tai lung should've been the only villian to appear because, having shen and kai return isn't really necessary in my perspective. It also would've been cool if the chameleon also captured the furious five and steals their chi and shapeshifts into them to fight po later on. I also want to talk about the chameleon's domain i actualy thought of this idea 2 days ago. Instead of taking over a city which we've already seen with lord shen, i think it would've been better if the chameleon lived in some abandoned temple where she got locked up by oogway due to her sourcery being too dangerous and frightening. I think a rivalry between kung fu and sourcery would be a very intresting concept to see on screen. So yeah those are my thoughts, this movie had so much potential and it was all wasted just for them to start a new trilogy which im worried about. I have alot of mixed feelings for this 4th installment but all in all i rated this movie a 7.5/10 and it definetly could've been executed alot better than it already has.

Li hit the wolf with a rake , you can see the teeth of the instrument if you look closely ( that and the wolf is shown with a slash across his eye in the flashback something that a hammer would not be able to leave behind.)

Po passing on the title of Dragon Warrior to Zhen is like marrying a person you just met that day.

Is prime oogway still the strongest charachter in the verse considering the op staff of wisdom is his and all the other feats he has ?

I am sad that my gut feeling about this movie was right. I'd tried to have hope, to ignore that gut feeling that this movie would be the dark sheep of the Kung Fu Panda movies... but hearing even just 2 reviews and the reasons why they didn't like the movie, my gut was sadly right. I'm just going to do with Kung Fu Panda, what I did with the Jurassic Park movies: ignore the last one in the franchise. Yes, the Jurassic World movies are set in the same universe and follow up on the Jurassic Park movies, but going by title specifically, Jurassic Park 3 was the last Jurassic PARK movie. Like it, I am choosing to ignore Kung Fu Panda 4 and pretend it doesn't exist

It’s basically another Toy Story 4 incident. The movie wasn’t bad, but it also wasn’t good, it was mid and overall unnecessary. I just wish companies would stop breaking trilogies that should’ve stayed trilogies just for money.

Hi Isaac, I've been watching you since you started all the Kfp content and the deep dive you take into those backstories is really great to see. I recently watched Kung Fu Panda 4 and I enjoyed it. Although I agree on some points you described in this video, but I think I might have a different perspective towards the movie, I would like to share: 1) Sure the absence of the Furious Five takes some charm out from the movie, but I think there was definitely gonna be a time, where the Dragon Warrior had to fight without them, atleast for once. 2) Po choosing Zhen as the Dragon Warrior is surely confusing, but if we take a deep dive in kfp 1, Master Oogway chose Po and we never got the answer of 'why him?', until Kfp 3, which was the end of the student trilogy. Po is not mature like Oogway, but he chose Zhen because she is different like him, there's definitely gonna be a point where Zhen would lose hope and ask Po why he chose her. So I believe we must wait for the future film(s) to answer this. 3) As for Master Shifu still alive scenario: At the end when Master Shifu is trying to achieve eternal peace Po interrupts him, which is a sign that Po is still not mature and would not let Master Shifu go. Master Shifu is still not confident on Po's choices and decisions, so I think that the future movies may do some justice to it. 4) I agree that The Chameleon could've been executed more greatly, like the other three. But, what if we assume that there are many masters in the kfp world who discriminate the others on the basis of their sizes or The Chameleon maybe wanted to learn Kung fu to achieve power, fame, etc. but when she was denied, she misjudged the masters were discriminating her. But, for sure they could've made her character even more scarier with a deep backstory, showing how she possessed dark magic and became the most feared criminal. 5) On the return of the Master Villains: Tai Lung was executed nicely. You know that the character has grew a lot, when he doesn't even try to take revenge on Po and calls the Spirit Realm his home. I agree his goodbye with Shifu would've made the movie great, but perhaps a greater scene in waiting for us in kfp 5 or 6, where Shifu will finally ascend to the Spirit Realm and meet his son on the other side. For Lord Shen, he accepted his death at the end of kfp 2, maybe he tried to reflect on his actions and achieve peace in the spirit realm. But, after his return, The Chameleon didn't even gave him a chance to act and took off his powers. He could've had a conversation with Po, but does he really deserve forgiveness? Also after Po saved them all, he had a guilt in his mind , that the one whose everything was destroyed by him, gave him another chance and saved him. He had no words to express or he felt like unworthy to do so, hence he just bowed with respect for his opponent. As for General Kai, he didn't had that much personal connection with Po and he just wanted Po's chi, so I feel the same for him. 6) As for Master Shifu's staff, maybe he healed it with the help of chi, since we last saw that chi can make dead flowers bloom, so he did the same with his staff. KFP 4 does leave out the charm of the original trilogy but for sure give us some great and deep moments. So we should wait for the future KFP 5 which would for sure cover these plots. I hope you are reading this, these were just some points on the way I feel about the film. Hope you have a good day!

Love your videos more than the movie. And you know it's bad when isaac calls it dissapointing

I haven’t seen kung fu panda 4 yet personally I am on the fence about it but I kind of agree with a lot of things that you said, just from watching the trailers for the Kung fu panda four movie I could tell just from washing the trailer that the story didn’t feel quite right the reason for that is they tried to take the feel of dragon knights TV show and watching the trailer for Kung fu panda four reminded me of how badly they treated Poe in season one of Dragon Knight it feels like they’re trying to bring the story tones from Dragonite into the cinematic universe of the movies, and in my opinion, they have kept those things separate @Isaac Carlson

*sigh* I bloody knew it!! When I saw that random teaser trailer about a month ago, I knew it'd be a joke-fests sequel with nothing of true substance. They barely done any promotion for this movie considering it's the 4th in a trilogy of animated movies that many consider the best of all time. Once I started hearing that Furious 5 weren't in it and Po was making some random fox the new Dragon Warrior (a title I didn't know you could pass on or give up) I was signed out of ever seeing this movie. The trailers depicted another movie riddled with lame and ott jokes and I wasnt here for that. That's one of the reasons why the 3rd movie is my least favourite. All I was expecting was something similar to Po's hero dream at the intro of the 1st movie where he travels the land in search of worthy foe, finds one that he should've left well alone, and ends up needing the help of the Furious 5 once more to defeat a large army and even more deadly enemy. I can even also see Tai Lung calming down plenty after all his time in the Spirit Realm with Oogway, relearning his ways again and even appreciating Po as a worthy Dragon Warrior and maybe even coming to his aid. Waited 10yrs for a movie I'll probably never watch, similar to Toy Story 4 as it now retcons and craps on the movies that came before it.

Tbh, I feel like there alot of things that might've went on behind the scenes when Kung Fu Panda 4 was being made. Especially you put in the account that this film was being put on hold due to the writers and actors strikes at the time. So, basically, the animators of the Kung fu panda film series were doing all they can with the writing parts of Kfp4.

The fact that Kung Fu Panda 4 is the beginning of Kung Fu panda's new sequel trilogy is concerning to say the least. I don't have a lot of faith in the quality of Kung Fu Panda 5 or 6.

My feelings on Kung Fu Panda 4 are mixed. As with the other films, I still enjoyed the film despite its flaws. However, it could have been a lot better in some places. The idea of Po becoming Oogway's successor made sense, as it was applied in Kung Fu Panda 3. I don't think he was fully his successor in 3 yet. The series of films could take a few years after each film. Shifu's character here feels somewhat off. I thought Zhen was much better than I thought she would be, as I was afraid they would make her a Mary Sue, but I was thankful she didn't come off that way. I thought her dynamic with Po was fun. Zhen's backstory feels half-baked and could have been done much better. From what the behind-the-scenes say, it looks like she could have had so much more, and I hope the future installments add to that. I liked how Po's characterization was handled here, as he felt a little bit wiser and smarter than in the previous films. His ability to handle most situations adds to how far he's come since the first film. I agree that the Chameleon is easily the series' worst villain, as she does not feel fleshed out at all despite her amazing design and performance. The film felt rather fast compared to the previous films in the series. I thought Tai Lung was fine, as his bowing down to Po shows that he now accepts him and accepts that he didn't become the Dragon Warrior, but I agree it could have been done a bit better with the other two. I was disappointed with the Furious Five's lack of appearance in this film, but I also felt they would have been unnecessary. But I wish they could have at least served as some backup during the attack against Chameleon's soldiers with Mr Ping, Li Shen, and the bandits. As well as the idea of Tigress becoming Shifu's successor, like Po becoming Oogway's. There are also reports of them extending the Kung Fu Panda series, and the directors and executives are aware of how much people want to see more of the Furious Five, so the idea of them getting their own film could happen. Here's my ranking of the Kung Fu Panda movies: 1. Kung Fu Panda 2. Kung Fu Panda 2 3. Kung Fu Panda 3 4. Kung Fu Panda 4. I love all these films. Kung Fu Panda 4 will also get a short to come with its DVD and Blu-ray. I can't wait to see what it is.

Holy Fuzz Balls, Even Isaac Carlson The One Channel that has the best passion and love for these Films more than anyone, Is saying This was Disappointing.

What I felt could have been a good opportunity for the movie to do is to give Po a chance to make his own choices about his on life or at the very least, come to that conclusion. In the past, Po was put in a position where he had to become the Dragon Warrior, master Kung Fu in time to defeat Tai Lung and then become a teacher/leader and a chi Master to defeat Kai. Even though Kung Fu is his passion, it feels like Po never had the chance to make his own choices. So this film could have given him a chance to choose his own destiny, make his own choices. Still take responsibility as the Kung Fu Master, but let him recognise that he can still make his own choices. Much like how Zhen learns that she has the choice to turn away from a life of crime to do something different. Po having to give the title up feels a bit sudden, especially after all the trouble he went through in Dragon Knight to earn it back. At least with KFP 2, Po didn't have to or was told to master Inner Peace to defeat Shen. That was something he chose to do on his own accord to help deal with the horrible truth of what happened in the past. A smart move on his part.

I want to believe the Chameleon was a great villain, but she just wasn't. Not like the other 3, at least. Tai Lung: Crashed Po into the ground Lord Shen: Traumatized and shot Po with his cannon General Kai: Beat down and chained Po and threatened his family The Chameleon: Locked him in a cage for a moment. The first three all brought Po down to his knees, feeling hopeless. The Chameleon just made him a little sad for a moment at Zhen's betrayal.

I have a theory for Shifu’s staff. Shifu was always using the same staff. Since he has mastered chi after Po’s teaching after the third movie, he fixed it with chi.

Thank you so much for this video. You have very eloquently highlighted my many thoughts of the movie while also giving me some food for thought. This movie sadly feels more like an attempt to make more money rather than exploring the next chapter for Po 😢

Tai lung: Destroys villages and an entire prison Shen: Takes over china, mass genocide. Kai: Destroys jade palace, defeats all masters of kung fu, defeats oogway, Steals chi. Chameleon: Pushes Jeremy lynch down the stairs

What if lord shen didn't die in kung-fu panda movie

People would milk a franchise until it falls, it happened many times😢

, im really considering making a rewrite of Kungfu panda 4 myself. If they where going too do a 4th kung fu panda movie here is how it could of worked with the chameleon. tailung is the unbreakable body who tested pos physical limits but also broke his own body fighting for an identy he couldnt earn. Lord shen is the impeccable mind who scared pos emotional and mental health while bearly having a mentality that was tied together And kai(WHO IS VERY UNDERRATED BTW) tested pos spirit but had a broken spirit himself... so the chameleon SHOULD HAVE BEEN HEART. the heart of pos true self that tests and pushes pos moral values. my idea for the chameleon was that she was a big fan and new a lot about the past of all the villains, the furious five, oogway, and Po himself. And she wanted too learn from them so she could be a better empress too juniper city but also a better mother figure too zhen showing she has A HEART. But as time went on "Empress Kamila" (a name i saw somewhere in the comments) got desperate from some sort of upcoming attack (villain for a potential 5th movie) and she didnt want her people too suffer a battle they couldnt win so on an act of desperation she knew she would have too start stealing the Skill of kungfu warriors too be powerful enough too protect her city Imagine if the chameleon showed up too the jade palace DISGUISED AS POS MOTHER. saying that "she survived lord shens attack" She gets po to trust her in the first act and po gives her the staff immidiately only too later betray Po and reveal herself too be Empress Kamilia...Then she opens a portal too the spirit world and absorbs the skill of JUST Tailung (no shen and no kai because KAI EXPLODED AND SHEN GOT CRUSHED BY A CANON.) When tailung loses his skill he still manages too escape as a callback too the first movie, while the furious five and Shifu all get captured leaving po stuck too work with Tailung. As the new spiritual leader this is pos main goal REDEEMING TAILUNG. And eventually passing the role of dragon warrior down to tailung. instead of the subplot with with Ping and Ling, we have Zhen trying to change the chameleons heart...this isnt "i hate kids with a passion" chameleon This is Empress Kamilia who wants whats best for her people and her daughter even though she does a lot of awful things too other people. We see how the 2 play off with eachother and how their dynamic really plays out as a mother daughter duo. Although i should mention we also see the chameleon turn into people from the 5 and Shifus past such as failed students and comrades, family members, oogway himself. for the final act i want it too be where Po frees the furious 5...but Po leaves Tailung to go free Shifu After going through this ark of redemption Tailung has changed. He can finally move on and let go of all the pain That he and Shifu went through Tailung is finally able to except Shifus apology from the first movie...but during this resolution...Shifu turns into the chameleon...showing that Kamilia...KILLED shifu...This breaks not just po and the 5...but tailung The group all fights The chameleon together and She is defeated and Po is about too end it right then and there for her too avenge shifu but Tailung stops him showing how much he grew over a redemption, There would be another scene where Zhen gets 1 last scene with Kamilia being put in a prison for good for her kidnapping and murder of Shifu, Zhen mainly has a emotional blow out too Kamilia saying that "You can always change physically but youve made it clear you can never change your heart" The main point of the 4th movie in my eyes should have been about Moral and Heart 1 was about Body and identity 2 was about emotions and mind and 3 was about spirit.

I wanted to watch the movie so bad, but I can’t wait to watch your video!

What I personally think should have been done is that they should have made the Chameleon the Lord Shen to Zhen's Po,but instead of her going down Po's path, just have her be an antagonist until she finds out the truth. Have the Chameleon be a powerful enemy that Po needs to team up with the former villains so that way he can earn their respect.

Tai Lung: Wants to get revenge because he was meant to be the dragon warrior but oogway didn’t believe in him so he wanted to tear down the valley of peace and also escaped from an insanely guarded prison Lord Shen: His parents kicks him out of the palace so he got an army to take the entire China and makes a genocide on pandas General Kai: Gets betrayed by oogway and steals every masters QI and also has an insanely good backstory The Chameleon: Wanted to learn Kung Fu but gets denied from kung fu schools because of her size so she decides to take what she wanted by stealing kung fu of masters and also gave a bad light on previus kfp villains . Not forgetting that she has no back-story. My ratings: 1st: Kfp 2 2nd: Kfp 1 3rd: Kfp 3 4tg: Kfp 4