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Mobius ray

What .

What i am very dumgh.

It's better

They probably moved it to mobula because mobula was named first, this happens with dinosaurs all the time when they find out two species are the same.

I agree with you because I am never going to call it a Mobula Ray if it is really a Manta Ray. Official opinion is that Manta Rays exist and this new “Mobula” ray does NOT

@@ShadowGuardian_32agreed

Yeeaaah I gotta go with the first on this. While moving a Dino genus to an OG category is normally done, exceptions have been made with extremely popular names even adding a Latin suffix on the end. Even little children know “Manta Ray”, very few have heard of Mobulas. It’s like the Triceratops …. Which was only part of a large group of herbaceous horned animals with a huge frill and different numbers of horns.

​@@Poetawesomendo its a weird choice to change the name of animals people Actually know

That’s glorious

Kinda like aquaman’s brother

I can just hear Cam Clark as an evil Ray with the liquid snake voice

"i see you found a new reef Brother...."

It's mobuling time

Underrated

Well done sir

Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to see yourself out of this fine establishment.

That’s gold Jerry!

😂😂😂 I’m 💀

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It's actually kind of the reverse. This is like astronomers declaring "plutoids don't exist anymore - they're all just planets".

First thing I thought of😂😂.

Their mouths are different...."this had EVERYONE thinking they Weren't too closely related"???????? My question is are these "EVERYONEs" blind idiots or ocean scientists? Because having a single, simple, small difference like that be the only difference doesn't register at all to me. If one was a fish with feathers and the other one was a bird with fur.......😅

⁠​⁠​⁠@@rw28ks2012well it is those small difference that allow us to classify animals differently. For example an artiodactyl (an animal with an even number of toes) like a sheep is more closely related to cetaceans like dolphins and whales than they would be to perrisodactyls, which are animals with odd numbered toes like a horse or donkey. So a mouth being in a different location could actually say a lot, however in this case the DNA is far more conclusive.

shrimp are bugs pluto is a planet mantas stay mantas

@@AmonTheWitch wait shrimps were considered bugs? When was this?

@@Rocco049 they aren't scientifically but they are water bugs sorry

​@@AmonTheWitch Okay, but fun fact, pill bugs, aka rolly pollies, are actually crustaceans, and closely related to shrimp. They have gills, but they live on land, which is why you only find them in damp areas so they can still breath their water. In some parts of Africa they eat pill bugs, and in local dialects are often called "wood shrimp" because they often live near trees and taste like shrimp.

@@samsanimationcorner3820 *breathe

I understand that one type lives amongst the reefs and the other is in deeper waters. Simple.

It's just some midwit nerds that sit around changing things so they can feel important, when in reality they're all just man-made names used to classify things based on the very limited knowledge that we have.

Fr,

I think it's cause there are more species in Mobula (9 according to Wikipedia)

@@WilliamAndrea It is based off of which came first

There is no decision in this, the oldest name for a clade is always the valid one

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Sounds cooler ngl

Wouldn't his name become Black Mob?

Then he mobulad all over them

​@lrrbloss "Aquaman's greatest foe is the black mob" Yeah we ain't callin him that

Me too I was going cry my eyes out 😭

I literally yelled out "no!" I got so sad for a moment

@@desireehatil6530I literally teared up I love manta rays so much!!! They’re some of the last megafauna on earth!

Same!! I was about to cry I love them so much 😭

I literally felt a little bit of pain on my chest as she said that. Wait it wasn't little it was FREAKING HUMONGOUS!

​@@user-ok8ld2dj5tI'm proud of them!

That don’t really make sense

😂​@@lilpoptart4325

​@@lilpoptart4325dis-MANTA-ed

@@lilpoptart4325Like dismantled

I remember seeing one going to Washington DC in 1993 on the bridge that's on the Ocean it not only was fast enough to keep up with the traffic it was big as a bus amazing to see

Tbh, mobula definitely sounds cooler, it's just we're so used to manta that we love it

To be completely fair, I'm half certain they named them "Mobula Rays" to go against what mainstream audiences want.

theyre scientists they struggle with cool sometimes

They blew their load early with Tyrannosaurus Rex. T-Rex is such a cool name that it’s the only animal mostly known from its scientific name. “Great White Shark” is a cool name but equally cool is its scientific name, “Carcharadon Carcharias” another cool name is “Architeuthis,” commonly known as the giant squid.

@@appledrawss1353 This is a Science channel. 90% of viewers, me included, are Sci nerds who when younger wanted and maybe still want to be Scientists haha

Yesssss. Scientists are very smart but very dumb. Keep the cool names wherever possible ;.;

Mobula sounds awesome though

Taxonomy is on a first come first serve basis. Mobula came first, so it they find the genetic makeup is too similar to be considered different species, they get rolled over into the older naming scheme.

@@kestrel4521 this is what ive always been saying, scientists are so smart they're dumb

​@@catpoke9557mobula sounds like a cancer

Eh a lot of animals that look similar aren't closely related. That's why they have to do genetic testing to figure this stuff out.

It's a phenomenon called Convergent Evolution. A good example of this is Red Pandas and Giant Pandas. Giant Pandas aren't actual pandas, but look and eat like them.

@@isaacbruner65it’s pretty clear they were related in this case

​@@GengarExtremisAll lifeforms are on their slow journey to becoming crabs one day.

​@@GengarExtremiscuttlefish and lobster crabs look alike (when crabs are out of their shells) but they're not related

i would not be able to go on if a top 3 coolest animal went extinct

I would have been EXTREMELY disappointed in humanity if the flappy sea pancakes went extinct. But no, they're still out there flapping and living their best lives. All is well in the world.

"the what?!?"

"I'm sorry sir, you're being let go." "*Sad ray noises*"

😊 😊

Like we used to with krakens only to find out they exist The giant and colossal squids And colossal squids still attack small ships and boats just like fisherman and sea captains said they did centuries ago

@@thepubknight6144 except that of course all stories about them were extremely exaggerated, as always

I'd find that really funny and cute. Lmao, but the characterization of Black Manta would probably never do that.

@@deykuzorhave somebody explain to Black Manta that he’s now a mobula and he gets so pissed he unleashes his eyebeams

“Sorry man. My name is Black Mobula. Black Manta was my father.”

"Manta is now outdated and thus hate speech. I'll have the Justice League cancel you for that!"

​@@JinKee That would just be for the funny. A parody could make that happen

STOP IT 😭

Yep, a common thing in science because as the researchers learn more, they have to change the definitions of things to fit reality, or sometimes just out of convenience. We don’t make the rules. Nature makes the rules. All we can do is struggle to describe what we see. Sometimes that means drawing an arbitrary line. Example. If Pluto is one of hundreds of objects of similar shape, size, and material, in that part of the solar system, then EITHER we have hundreds of planets which would all need names all of which kids would need to memorize, OR we can call all of those things planetoids, making the one we know, Pluto, not a planet anymore. But still the most famous planetoid. Pluto has gotten more play since the controversy than it ever had before. Because it’s boring.

It was bound to happen!

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Why everytime i have something in my head, i will find another person from across the globe already commented it lol thank u!

​@@jemgabrielluna3319Oh uuuuu I'm different and special oh ahhhhh

You think the right thoughts sir 👍

Or sea blankies/pancakes

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Yesss! 😂😂😂 I'm pretty sure this guy also knows what a booplesnoot and danger noodle is 😂😂😂

Damn straight!

Flap flaps or flip flops?

According to a few papers from 2015, Brontosaurus is a valid genus :)

I'll never be one of the bunch that says Pluto isn't a planet. I think it was just rude to deny its existence when they did that

Pluto should be a planet the same way he should be an Olympian. Also, anyone else find that tidbit interesting? Hades (Pluto) used to be an Olympian, then became a Major God after being shunned by the others, just like the planet going from…well, planet to dwarf planet

You got that right

​@@makaylaforbes6719Right? Taught my entire life that Pluto is a PLANET,the last,and smallest one,yes,but STILL,A PLANET. Then,all of the sudden,they decide,DECLARE,that it isn't,when I'm in my 30's or 40's. Nonsense.

Glad to see someone point this out

Seriously. I really hope those aren't the guys making the big bucks

Spoken like someone with no clue about how evolutionary biology works. And to the other guy, no scientist makes “big bucks” it’s a thankless profession.

​@NewPlant_ the funnest person at the party

@@StarchieHaloHey now, let's not hurt his feelings before he can synthesize us some cocaine

Same

Ion give a fucj I still wanna punch a taser napkin for mah boi Steve Irwin.

For the most part

Sea pancakes..?

@@Dragonfruitinspace sea pancake Pancakes of the sea Manta Ray shaped like pancake

@@krei-ations “Ahhh seagulls. The eagles of the sea!”

I died at “sea pancakes” lmao

Hope they sent a fat wad of cash too. Since scientists™️ don't listen to anyone without money.

These scientists are strait up dumb. Menta rays are menta rays regardless of what some scientist decide to call them. Even if they had similar genes to the other it's the other rays that looks like menta rays so all of them should be named menta rays instead of nebula rays. Nebula rays makes no logic sense as they are not stars.

These scientists are strait up dumb. Menta rays are menta rays regardless of what some scientist decide to call them. Even if they had similar genes to the other it's the other rays that looks like menta rays so all of them should be named menta rays instead of nebula rays. Nebula rays makes no logic sense as they are not stars.

We’re still doing this?

@@venheartzeil3070fr idk 💀

​@@venheartzeil3070 yes.

@@venheartzeil3070 yes morbius was snubbed

@@venheartzeil3070 clearly people still are.

The same way the hierarchy decided to make the less popular brain dead fellow who shits himself live on TV become the president of the US.😂

It has to do with adherence of scientific names to the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, first adopted in 1905. If you read up on it, you'll not find any reference to such names being used based on popularity among laypersons. Note that this does not apply to common names. You are free to continue calling them manta rays if you like. It simply won't agree with the generic (genus) name, that's all. But at least scientists will be able to talk about these fish and know which ones they're talking amongst themselves about.

Cracka really said “laypersons” unironically

Just be glad I didn't call you a shithead.

*does *than

More descriptive and scientific than mobula.

Mother earth's flip flops.

Entirely accurate.

Tell that to Steve Erwin's surviving family.

@@jrskp3677 I was having a good day, don't remind me of that

LOL that's hilarious...and strangely accurate! 😅 Dolphins feel like wet rubber. (Balloons maybe 🤔)

@@TragoudistrosMPH well of course it's accurate, I'm speaking from experience. Steve Irwin's death probably came as even more of a shock to me then most people because in my mind stingrays are one of the least threatening things imaginable.

Crikey!

lmaoo

Well science doesn't work like that.

@@aronworlen1752 I know but still

​@@aronworlen1752 science works exactly how we decide it does when it comes to naming things.

​@@Lokiip no it doesn't. There are pretty strict rules when it comes to taxonomy and naming species. In this case the mobula genus was named before the manta genus, so manta is folded into mobula. Also due to taxonomic rules we can no longer use the genus name manta. Feel free to keep calling them manta rays as a common term though

When it comes to taxonomic naming, the genus whose family is named after it gets precedence. So, manta rays are part of the Mobulidae family, named after the _Mobula_ genus of rays. Manta rays were once part of the genus _Manta_ but their entire genus has been merged into _Mobula_ because of this rule after genetic tests found that it belonged to _Mobula_

Well stated!

I still think there's generally more utility to classifying animals based more on traits than genes. Idk, I just feel like there's room for both in the world; having two systems that you can pick which one you wanna use based on what you need

Ah yes, the Dinosaurs don't have feathers defense. Carry on.

Oh I was gonna.

You can still call them that, it's just the genus name has changed. Unless the rules for biological classification are different to iupac chemical nomenclature, as long as there is one unique name assigned to everything to prevent confusion, those other names can still be used.

Bruh manta ray just got called alfredo as a classification

ROFL

Omg I was gonna say something very similar to this. Pluto was the first thing I thought of lol

Beat me to it! :D I'm still gonna call them Manta Rays and as I was taught from grade school PLUTO IS A PLANET DAMMIT! :)

@@terrybeavan4264 Everything you said I agree with.

If only scientists thought like us Ah yes the sea flap flap of the genus pancake

Sea pancakes!

Majestic sea flap flaps!

no-stingy but big-jumpy sea blankies XD

@@mothgirl326 sea snuggie?

Pluto is a planet 🥴

Justice for Pluto!

pluto isn't a planet. what about Eris, Ceres, Makemake, Haumea, Sedna?

​@@Sednasalso planets, but they're virgin betaplanets

I mean you do whatever you want, just realize that you are wrong. Science is true regardless of your opinion.

i like mobula more 😢

Nah, it's sounds like Mobile, which they do in fact are.

We Call them String Rays here in Maryland 🇺🇲

Sometimes the best names sound weird, but when you see the thing it makes perfect sense lol. String-tailed blanket fish would probably the English name of we didn't pick up common names for things from everyone else. Manta Ray sounds so much cooler, but it's just blanket, lol.

​@@ladyraven2256 sting rays are different. They have stingers, Manta rays don't.

@@ladyraven2256 Don't you mean Sting Rays?

​@@Hugo-yz1vbI didn't even notice they didn't say "sting"

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Frequently it s they want to show they are smarter than everybody else by having a different word. Many decades ago medical science in particular insisted on trying to use common words whenever possible, even in journal articles. The thinking was at the more people could understand science, the better the world would be. However, the need of scientists to feel superior has triumphed over that intention.

​@@gerardmichaelburnsjr. Not always. A similar case happened when it was discovered that triceratops were just juvenile torasourus. Torusurus was the older of the two names so traditionally they would keep it but they opted to keep triceratops instead as vastly more people wanted it

I love how non scientists don't understand the difference between common names and species names. manta is still the common name, the scientific name is the one that changed. call it mobula or manta, it literally doesn't matter in a non scientific context. this happens constantly with a bunch of different animals. you find new information and change the names to show the relationship between species. the way changing names in science works is by keeping the older name, when we change the names. that's all there is to it, it's a rule we use so we can keep track of the changes being made by different teams around the world, and to keep everything consistent. call it a manta ray if you want, that's what common names are for.

​​@@gerardmichaelburnsjr. If we are talking about taxonomy, it doesn't make sense to use "common words". 1. Some organisms don't even have common names. Like when two species of insects are closely related, so people use the same common name for them. And what about microorganisms, which were discovered just 400 years ago. They don't have common names. 2. It is less confusing than having to translate all the names accross different languages.

I know you are going to say you were just joking, but it's sad that so many people actually think of "science" as some kind of entity. "Science said eggs good, then eggs bad, then eggs good. I know eggs good, stupid science."

This is why the expression, "Too clever by half" exists.

Exactly what I was thinking...

The very idea made me lose a little more hope in the prominent scientific community..

There's plenty of animals that look similar and are unrelated... And vice versa

@@ZipperKnight181Why does it matter. We’ll all eventually just become crabs anyway…