The way I see it, C418 wants to continue owning his own music while Microsoft wants to own the rights of vanilla Minecraft's content. Owning his music means Microsoft can use it in other forms of the ip like in spinoff games.

I’ve started to notice his music has been playing less and less frequently in my worlds

When the terraria music played, I realized that terraria and Minecraft go at very different paces. Minecraft more slow and calm, but in terraria you can always see constant movement no matter where you go. The reason that the town day song would never work in Minecraft is purely because of the pace difference of the games.

Sad to see Microsoft screwing over something Minecraft-related once again. It was important that C418 did explicitly say it's a Microsoft thing and not a Mojang thing though, since a lot of people tend to get mad at Mojang for Microsoft's tomfoolery

I really hope Mojang brings 4J Studios back, Bedrock runs terribly on consoles, so having them focus on that aspect would probably help with the game. Or at least letting them bring in the mini-games in some form to Bedrock

This reminded me of the Mick Gordon situation with ID Studios. One reason I absolutely hate the law system in the U.S.(and any country that has the same system) is that either someone can be stalled out by a corporation until they are financially unable to stay in the court fight or they bury you with the best lawyers who know how to convince to win a fight.

I don't know, I love the new music and all, but every soundtrack made by C418 just sounds more Minecrafty. I'm not saying that I don't like Lena Raine's work, for example, but when I launch Minecraft, the menu soundtrack makes me feel a sad for no reason, while the old versions (Legacy versions) were perfect for a menu to sit and customize your new world, skins, whatever... *just wanted to add that I loved Pigstep as a disc, probably one of my favorites

Minecraft has just become a money farming method for Microsoft. It's c418s music that still gives Minecraft its nostalgic vibe and now they want it gone just for money Edit: I'm not saying the new music is bad, in fact lena raine produces amazing new music like otherside and infinite amethyst but nothing can quite compare with volume alpha and beta.

Minecraft isn't Minecraft without C418 music. The new music is fine I guess, but the music he made is so unique and so special to the game. When I hear any of the new songs come on they feel just out of place and not right, sure it could be that I'm still trying to get used to them, but I really don't see why they needed to add more songs to the soundtrack, it just seems completely pointless to me and seems like an unnecessary altering of one of the key components of the game.

Nothing beats OG C418. I love ALL of his music on Minecraft. Wait, Cat, Far, Ward etc discs are absolutely supreme. I like Otherside and Pigstep but they don’t feel as Minecraft-esque

I can understand both sides completely. C418 wants to retain ownership of his music, new and old, likely for both creative and monetary reasons. Microsoft just wants to commission him to make music for Minecraft that they'll own, which is the industry standard. If C418 won't take a flat fee, there are thousands of other composers that will, shame but it's business.

for fans of Minecraft's OG music, i highly recommend exploring C418's other works, they really showcase his versatility as an artist. personally, my favorite album of his is '148', which actually features a few Minecraft remixes from the original soundtrack (such as Vierton, Aria Math, and Biome Party, not to mention a gorgeous remix of Droopy Ricochets and Droopy Remembers). additionally, i highly recommend 'Life Changing Moments Seem Minor in Pictures', 'Excursions', and 'One'. What amazes me about C418 is his ability to maintain that signature Minecraft-ian sound; beautiful, lush, full chord progressions, while being able to completely change styles with fast, upbeat, tempos, with driving synths, and what can only be described as pure electronica. C418 is honestly a huge inspiration to me as an artist, he manages to breathe so much life into digital music. truly one of the GOATs!

Terraria music is great but Minecraft, C418 particularly just nailed that comforting vibe so incredibly well

This is the same basis as the DOOM Eternal Soundtrack issue, where the studio wanted the rights to all of the sounds and every arrangement (ignoring the production issues of that album) despite the fact that the guy who made it just wanted to own what he made

I actually like C418 music more than the others, because they don't give me jump scares when I'm exploring a cave or something. The music is calming, and is motivational even when doing mundane tasks.

The worst part may be that the song Taswell was dedicated to someone who passed away and now Microsoft owns it.

Toycat is basically like a little Minecraft Tabloid for us lol

I really don't mind getting music from other creators, as long as we don't get so many music tracks that the og's never come up during gameplay, but the fact that there's a whole unreleased 3rd C418 album is mind boggling. I really want to hear it.

I pray that they'll come to some agreement, we NEED another album from C418

Perhaps a way to settle this problem is how the Pokemon ip is owned partly by Gamefreak, Nintendo and The Pokemon Company. Apparently there's something called "slicensing", which I guess means more than one person or company owns the rights to an ip somehow. So if C418 and Microsoft could strike a deal where they become co-owners of Album Delta, the result is Microsoft could use the music in future version of Minecraft and C418 could sell the music on his own. Everyone is happy! Speaking of, Hershey gets a cut of every M&M's thing sold.

I really wish they would let C418 make music for this game again (obviously I still think the new tracks are really good, made by amazing composers) particularly because I want to know what would be on that third Minecraft album though hey, at least they aren't straight up removing C418's music from the game, honestly I think if that happened the community's response would probably be far more negative than even the chat reporting stuff

Gamma is what you'd call a third release if Alpha and Beta were one and two.

If the song played at the end of the video was one of the unreleased battle mode tracks, it was definitely made by C418 because it uses a musical motif from Alpha, the track that plays during the credits

Damn. I thought C418 was at fault for his music not being in Smash Bros, but now I see his side of things.

We also have to remember (and I feel this may be the reason) that C418 is one of the oldest "Minecraft staff" he was producing all these different songs for Notch who now is no longer associated with Minecraft. Also doesn't it seem suspicious that they seemingly dropped c418 in favour of Lena Raine right around the time of the Notchroversy

Something Microsoft needs to learn is to care for the little guy.

I still play the minigames on psvita regularly, it's amazing to find loads of others still playing. I wish they'd come back in modern Minecraft with more items and bigger maps

Normally composer only licenses their music to the company so that they can use it whilst the composer still has the rights to it and can freely release it as a ost. This is considered standard in the industry but I don't know what kind of deal C418 made and it seems that in this case it's more complicated.

Personally I'm glad C418 keeps the rights to his music. I wouldn't want to see Microsoft use his original minecraft music in something like a spin off or movie. The music belongs with minecraft, and I'd hate to see Microsoft use it as a money cow.

They need to let 4J studios to work on bedrock in the future to make it actually not so frustrating to use

My biggest beef with the newer OST is that it really just feels like it's for children, as for Daniel's feels like it speaks to us adults, and gives us a very personal feeling similar, but unique in conjunction to our experiences with the game back in the old Alpha, and Beta when we grew up.

1:49 "Traumatizing to say the least" finally someone with a heart trapped in a corpo NDA said it.

Terraria town music isn't bad, but it's also nowhere near the best

Knowing Microsoft they probably wanted the old music rights too , this Is the level of shadynes that Microsoft does.

If an agreement doesn’t work out, I’d love to at least see this album release in the form of a resource pack. I would absolutely use it, and I’m sure many others would too

Lena Raine's music is amazing and she lowkey has some of the best minecraft music discs, but C418 music is a minecraft hood classic lol

This is such a damn shame. He's an incredibly talented artist who was key to Mincraft's growth. Microsoft sucks. They've ruined so many things and burned out so many great programmers.

If Notch never sold Minecraft, it may have been less popular, had a lower quality, had less updates, had fewer impacts on gaming. But it would be pure, uncorrupted. Is Notch truly happier with that 2 billion dollars?

Microsoft slowly destroying game in one of the most unexpected ways: THE MUSIC. No composer can ever be as nostalgic and skilled as C418.

1:55 some of the most iconic sounds in Minecraft???? SOME OF THE MOST ICONIC IN GAMING

What's even sadder is that Microsoft seems to be trying to get rid of his music slowly by continuing to add new music from multiple different composer's and making tracks only play in specific biomes. Even though this can be noticed many people just ignore it or don't care enough because either they are not as connected to C418's music or because they're so used to the new music now. I keep thinking C418's music is still here until it isn't. I really hope it doesn't get to the point where they straight up remove it from the game but even now there's just so much new music getting added that eventually it'll just be rare to hear one of C418's tracks.

C418 didn’t just create the soundtrack, he created Minecraft.

software dev here(who do spritework and music on free time when making games as a hobby): you might not own the rights to the features you made, but some of the things you make are also not owned by the company. and there is a massive difference between game features and music or sprites. game features need to be maintained constantly meaning that they do, in fact, keep paying you for that feature for as long as you work there, so making a feature only provides you more work opportunities later. on the other hand sprites and music are a "one off" service and are usually protected by royalty earnings for their use as after a piece has been made it can be replayed or displayed as many times as you want with no breaking issues(music doesn't stop musicing for no reason, same for images)

I bought Minecraft for PS4 recently, every time I boot it up, I go straight to “Editions”. The only time I hit the normal “Play” button, is when I am showing off slow load times and how broken the new game is to other people.

C418 was a genius, and scrapping him was honestly one of the things that ruined modern Minecraft for me. Its just not the same anymore. I now just turn music off and find Minecrafty C418 albums to put on while I play, even if its a pretty iffy solution. I really wish that the 3rd volume releases so someone can make a texture pack of it and I can enjoy the nostalgia once again. I really respect him for working so hard to keep the rights to the music too, since it means nobody has to be afraid of using it in their videos. He wasn't willing to bow down to a corporation even if it cost him a lot. What an absolute icon of a generation, we'll never forget Minecraft Volume Beta, even if Micro$oft has.

I’ve been wanting to know why c418’s album 1 & 2 hasn’t been in for years. IT NEEDS TO BE PUT BACK. THAT MAN DESERVES EVERY PENNY, every song is a MASTER PIECE.

I bet that 3rd album would sound SO GOOD

They should just let C418 own the music, and then he can produce more music for other spin off games for Microsoft if he wants. That way they both get what they want in a way.

They basically are saying "why should you get rich off your work when we can" not really a way to see this from Microsoft's side but also if they have other composers who are willing to do it their way then they should just go their separate ways.

I remember the first time I heard Mice On Venus. It was back in version 1.3.2 and I was lost, trying to go back to my base. I was getting so frustrated, until I saw a torch in the distance, above a little hill. I climbed it and there it was, on the other side, the frozen lake next to my tiny base. That's the moment I fell in love with Minecraft and became my favorite game ever. C418 is one of the most iconic composers in recent history, right up there with John Williams, Hans Zimmer or Allan Silvestri. It's such a shame this situation got this complicated.

its a matter of self-respect and not giving in to microsoft we need more people like him

For me, i hear C418’s music like a story. Its different every time you listen but always just as entertaining even without gameplay added. I just can’t get that feeling of the story with the newer music.

this video is 2% facts 98% speculation

Removing zombie pigmen. Chat reporting. C418 betrayal. Horrible.

I just realized something, so remember when Steve was added to Smash Bros, they dind't get any of the original songs because they would be "too slow for the game" so instead they went with songs from minecraft dungeons? I see it now, it never was about the pace, It's about the legality of using C418 songs, that's why they didn't include any of those.

Isn’t there also a whole issue inside the marketplace where they are releasing content of other ips but because the blame is on the creator who “supposivly” got the permissions to post the content mojang avoids legal trouble?

I'm excited to hear the mini game music you linked. I was late to the Minecraft party, and was just starting to understand who C418 was around the time Microsoft phased him out. I was happy to see he produces outside of the MC universe, but am super excited to know that there is more MC stuff from him out there, and if we're lucky enough somehow, that might see the light of day.

"screw your memories and your history, the money in our pockets is a victory" really sad to see c418 is slowly fading from Minecraft, wouldn't be surprising but yet upsetting if Microsoft removes his songs because they can't get into an agreement

The new music is a laughable attempt of trying to capture the magic that is Minecraft ambience. The only man that can capture that magic is C418.

I'd just wish for all the minecraft music creators to maybe be in a room and work on a soundtrack together, like a band with giving me and alot of other people hope for creativity, Microsoft is not the problem, infact nobody is the problem and all the problem is Corporations are actually controlling all of that, and Mojang is having trouble producing alot of things with technical problems with what people govern over.

Stuff like this is gonna make me quit completely. I remember playing on older versions and having the time of my life, nowadays my survival world is a slideshow... I'm just done with these big companies ruining everything.

Big companies are like "when we paid you for the copyrighted music, we then own it, just like any physical item." But then when the consumer says "oh, so when we buy a digital copyrighted game, we own it forever, and we can even resell it to someone else, just like any physical item"? Then the big company gets angry because only they get to actually own anything.

Wow I wonder how many new tracks in this Volume 3 he's worked on could've been classics! It's like finding out your fav band whose albums and singles you've all heard had a secret unreleased piece this whole time!

The way I see it, the issue is that C418 wants to continue working under the standards of an indie composer on a game that hasn’t been an indie game for a long time. He’s seeking the standards for the industry Minecraft was in when he first came to the team, and Microsoft is seeking the standard for the industry Minecraft is in now. The indie industry and the mainstream game industry are two completely different cans of worms with two completely different sets of standards for what is considered normal and acceptable. Perfectly normal for the composer working on an indie game to own the rights and make royalties, perfectly normal for composers working on powerhouse games owned by corporations to be compensated in a lump-sum instead. At the end of the day, yeah it sucks that we don’t have any new C418 tracks, but Microsoft is within their rights to seek what is considered the reasonable industry standard for a game of Minecraft’s scale. Toycat is right in pointing out that they wouldn’t have someone like Lena Raine working for them if they weren’t offering reasonable deals. Either one of the parties will have to bend to the other, or C418 will have to move on to other things. The problem is that he’ll probably run into the same issue with most other big-name games. He’s in a kill-or-be-killed industry, unfortunately you can’t usually have your cake and eat it too.

I think the features of minecraft being compared to owning the music isn't a fair comparison. Those can't exist without minecraft, when the soundtrack can be enjoyed without it. I think Microsoft should just stop being greedy over copyright and let the music come back. Edit: He also doesn't want copyright strikes on people's stuff, remember what happened with pigstep when that came out?

I had no idea Gareth Coker did the majority of the minecraft minigames soundtrack! He did the music for the Ori games which are some of my favorite games ever so thats pretty neat!

Always read the contract before signing. It's how companies get control.

6:23 what the, vilage, outpost, desert temple and woodland mansion??

6:59 "But then it belongs to ass" - ibxtoycat 2023 (look at the bottom of the screen)

the minecrafts whole "oh we trying protect the minecraft original feel and soul" thing and and immediately lawyer bombing the the guy who is main elements of the og minecraft saying everything we need to know. it been said for years now its a dead game and big numbers of players playing on older versions to feel that same emotions

I play on Java and use a resource pack that only allows the old music to play in menu and all dimensions, it's so nice lol.

What was that seed with the crazy illager/villager temple life?

This feels like a moment where c418 maybe feeling disconnected from the product that he produces his music.

Funny thing, one of the new Music Artists, Kumi Tanioka, made the Molduga Remix for Super Smash Bros Ultimate

Not trying to shill for the tech giant megacorpiration, but why should the guy who made the poem get any more money? He was hired to do a job for a set price, he did the job, and received the payment that he agreed to. Why should he get more?

The new music sounds like a cheap imitation of the original

C418's music is peaceful and nostalgic. Lena Raine's music perfectly fits as well

he should leak the music into some obscure forum under a fake account for people to find and make it look like he got hacked

When I play old versions I never turn off the music, but in new versions I use a reasource pack that changes new music to old music.

the fact that one of these songs is a remix of alpha is... i'm speechless alpha is my favorite song of all time

the old minigames bring back fond and yet fleeting memories.

9:15 now I understand why the past updates is so lackluster

8:50 c428 still would make songs for the 1.16 update and the other updates but the song would be different in the better way.

3:53 "Only" got paid 20,000 euros for a poem???? That makes it probably one of the most profitable poems in history. How on earth could you be upset over that?

C418's music is what got me into MC.

From the comparison at 1:59, c418's song also sound like ambiance sound while the new music just straight up BGM.

The Woodland Mansions spawning next to the small desert village in that world is nice imagery for Microsoft and C418

You should talk about mojang not wanting to fix the editions button for minecraft ps4 digitally, they literally don't want to limit people access to their own purchase

C418 should be able to produce more music, if they say no to him having rights to his own music that’s bs

The last track.... if that is one of the battlemode tracks then for sure its made by C418. I recognise that tune, it is a remixed segment of "Alpha", the credits track (my opinion one of the best tracks)

Daniel has said it won't be called "Delta" on (I believe) the subreddit named after him before. Yeah, really hope we get to hear this art one day, and even more I hope Daniel gets what he deserves.

I think it’s an ownership thing, I’m confident Microsoft would pay him well for releasing a 3rd album, but they want to tie off loose ends and try and make everything new in the game owned by them fully just for brand protection.

I’m glad toycat is free thinking and smart enough to give both sides of this issue rather than just saying “big corporation bad!”

When I'm in a bootlicking competition and my opponent is ibxtoycat

Im still happy that the servers still let me play the glide minigame on legacy xbox one edition

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They’re slowly replacing the Minecraft team, who knows why.

Comparing music to Minecraft features doesn't make much sense. Programmers are *not* paid on a feature-by-feature basis and musicians *are* paid on a piece-by-piece basis. Features aren't also protected by copyright laws, just ask PUBG and Fortnite or Fortnite and Minecraft. You also can't sell "a feature" unless there's an entire game built to support it, but you can sell music without any game to support it. This idea that Microsoft should own the music made for the game is indefensible and should never be considered the industry standard. This is exactly why we can't have the nice version of Doom Eternal soundtrack produced and released.

I think a lot of people probably figured out at some point (or at least I did a while back) that the theme playing at 13:50 is also present in C418's "Alpha", and so it was easy to presume the original Battlemode tracks were, in fact, done by Daniel since they reuse so many motifs from his official soundtrack

I am once again asking for all the lawyers to be Minecrafted in Minecraft.