Why Milio OUTCLASSES all Enchanters

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ShoDesu

ShoDesu

Жыл бұрын

Ever since Milio has been released he has been the best support in the game. But why is that? I go over the reason why while comparing his design to traditional enchanters like Janna, Seraphine, Yuumi, and Karma.
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@ShoDesu
@ShoDesu Жыл бұрын
MYB GUYS, the math for Ardent does not work out the way I thought it would. I was under the impression that it would be "consumed" like mandate after an ally auto'd an enemy but that's not the case. Regardless, Milio is strong because of his AOE and chargeable heals and shields interacting with shurlyas/ardent/staff.
@dragomaster2422
@dragomaster2422 Жыл бұрын
Looking back at old Sona, this was a similar problem where her abilities felt less impactful, but were so strong because they had a long uptime for enchanter items. By shortening the tick/length of abilities, but increasing the base numbers and/or scalings is an appropriate shift to making a balanced enchanter with more skill expression too. This is why I strongly favor decreasing Sona’s base numbers and increasing her scalings while giving her passive the infinite ap scaling rather than refunding her ult cooldown to make her a true scaling based enchanter support.
@TowerFantasy-xz5ym
@TowerFantasy-xz5ym Жыл бұрын
I feel like the ticks aren't a huge issue due to the item cooldown and time frame. The main problem with Milio is his passive, due to his attack scaling being based on his teammates and not himself. +80% (Level 18) bonus on the normal attack from a champion that builds nothing but AD... Is pretty wild. Then his W just easily refreshes, and they have a range... Then they gain movement from his E 🫠So you have an ADC on steroids that becomes much much harder to kill.
@TowerFantasy-xz5ym
@TowerFantasy-xz5ym Жыл бұрын
Then Milio himself is also insane because he's a support that can provide a lot of utility without being near the danger zone. Soraka has to go into her melee range to heal a teammate. Million... Drops his W over the wall and just walks away 🤣🤣 Million usually dies because everyone else is dead. A soraka can die before everyone else does because she can easily display and get picked during the team fight if the enemy team isn't tunnel-visioned on their current target.
@duncanturner8871
@duncanturner8871 Жыл бұрын
Isn't the solution to change how often W heal ticks and increase how much it heals per tick?
@ShoDesu
@ShoDesu Жыл бұрын
Yes, that is the best solution but I have this weird feeling Riot won't change his kit lol
@fawli86
@fawli86 Жыл бұрын
I think Milio's passive should grant the bonus effect based on his level and stats and not on his ally. Since supports barely get to three items, it would mean that he doesnt get enough stats to buff his allies with his passive. Riot can then move on to do the numbers for his passive if they need to nerf him more. If they really want to, they can add a cooldown to his passive like make it that an ally can only receive his passive buff once every X seconds or just change how his W just applies one tick of his passive for each ally and that's it.
@dragomaster2422
@dragomaster2422 Жыл бұрын
Damn, I just finished the video and I am so sad babygirl Sona was forgotten as the OG item deliverer to allies. Even now with Milio, she is still one of the strongest enchanters that distributes SoFW and Ardent to her team and was the best chemtech putrifier user before it was changed.
@user-fc7st1nu9m
@user-fc7st1nu9m Жыл бұрын
Sona is actually strong against milio because she scales harder than him lmao (milio main)
@dragomaster2422
@dragomaster2422 Жыл бұрын
@@user-fc7st1nu9m true
@navjotsingh2251
@navjotsingh2251 10 ай бұрын
@@user-fc7st1nu9myeah, milia definitely has a better early game but when I played sona I had a much better late game.
@superhoagie6953
@superhoagie6953 Жыл бұрын
They probably have to do something similar to Renata W (Bailout), right? Just make the W (Cozy Campfire) duration shorter and tick rate longer? That's how to nerf him probably without gutting enchanter items.
@twoinch
@twoinch Жыл бұрын
Great video, started playing support and ran into this channel!
@shojinsensei
@shojinsensei Жыл бұрын
I don't really understand why you go so deep about the W tic, because ardent doesn't do more if you just refresh the timer every 0.25 seconds than if you refresh it every 2 seconds. sure it's more convenient, but it doesn't make the item stronger
@electrixksttv1257
@electrixksttv1257 Жыл бұрын
his passive though
@shojinsensei
@shojinsensei Жыл бұрын
@@electrixksttv1257 that’s true, his passive is very strong combined with W, I was just confused, because he kept talking about healing procs and ardent, but I see he realized he was mistaken in the pinned comment.
@nase_nase
@nase_nase 8 ай бұрын
So with the new patch 13.20 changes, how do you think will Milio perform now?
@spencerbaird4796
@spencerbaird4796 Жыл бұрын
Okay, but wait a second. The length of the Ardent and Staff buffs does NOT translate directly to damage! A lulu with Summon Aery can keep a nearly permanent Ardent buff on a single ally - the number of TIMES it is procced only serves to maximize buff duration - still roughly 12 seconds to his entire team with W and Ult, but both have long cooldowns. Sona is just better at applying both.
@ShoDesu
@ShoDesu Жыл бұрын
Wait you're right. For some reason I was thinking ardent procs like mandate where it would "consume" the mark but that doesn't make sense
@sleepydango6681
@sleepydango6681 Жыл бұрын
i find his W bonus range is part of what makes him so strong, as well as lethal tempo range being the majority of strength in the rune.
@anthonylopez2149
@anthonylopez2149 5 ай бұрын
What made him broken was his passive. That shit had to be insta nerfed a couple days after his release. Used to give 50% bonus damage to his teammates next attack or ability based on their AD or AP. Fucking ridiculous, they kicked it down to a flat 15%. Still hella strong
@ttvrosie
@ttvrosie Жыл бұрын
GO SHODESU GO
@deepwaters6151
@deepwaters6151 Жыл бұрын
another sho banger SNIFFA
@dachitchatchia7505
@dachitchatchia7505 Жыл бұрын
honestly i think that riot can have millios abilitys just proc weaker versions of their effects or maybe even add cooldown to the items since (from what i remmember) most enchanters dont heal as often as millio. thats just me thou
@user-fc7st1nu9m
@user-fc7st1nu9m Жыл бұрын
They mightn't heal or shield as often but their heals and shields are much stronger
@dachitchatchia7505
@dachitchatchia7505 Жыл бұрын
@@user-fc7st1nu9m thats true but im talking about the item effects that they proc. regardless of their "spell" value they still proc the same powered item effect. what im saying is that since millio can proc it so often with just one ability maybe riot adds cooldown to these items (this wont impact most of other enchanters and nerf the value milio provides) or just straight up nerfs milios items to proc weaker item effects or maybe even add cooldown of item procing to milio himself (this i belive will be much more difficult to add to the game and may cause some bugs) hope i explained it fine
@user-fc7st1nu9m
@user-fc7st1nu9m Жыл бұрын
@@dachitchatchia7505 there are other supports who can proc it just as effectively but in different ways, like ashe if she has font of life, her autos alone will be enough to proc ardent or staff, if a champion like seraphine buys ryalias and also has font of life, she's able achieve the same result from spamming her abilities. Sona is able to do the same thing is milio without font of life while also being able to spam her abilities The only item Milio really abuses is shurelya's and even then because his cds are so long he's still outclassed by sona but because milio has such long cds in general it'd be a waste if he couldn't optimally proc items, he'll have to consider when best to use his abilities to buff his teammates because he's essentially useless when his abilities are on cd
@mylynguyen6512
@mylynguyen6512 Жыл бұрын
It is like Sona, an enchanter that can permanently gives buffs to many teammates at thé same Time, BUTas if it wasnt enough, Milio deals so much damage on the long run XD
@CloviisSaurus
@CloviisSaurus Жыл бұрын
strongly agree with this one, great video
@capybara2859
@capybara2859 Жыл бұрын
in my experience milio loses to soraka and sona, would love your take on the matchups as a high elo player (:
@ShoDesu
@ShoDesu Жыл бұрын
I think Soraka and Sona counter milio only when Milio isn't pair'd with his best ADCs (Lucian, Kog)
@user-fc7st1nu9m
@user-fc7st1nu9m Жыл бұрын
Idk i might be in the minority but even tho i main milio i also play a lot of other supports and i never really had a bad time against him, he's not good into sona or blitz or even yuumi lmao
@legoshi7350
@legoshi7350 10 ай бұрын
Update: they nerfed milio to the ground
@furyn9221
@furyn9221 4 ай бұрын
I'm late but well deserved of him 🎉
@XenagarD
@XenagarD Жыл бұрын
Riot really does continue to make the enchanter class overloaded for how simple they are to play without giving them a clear weakness. Its not like you can just burst these characters with the amount of sustain they have and even then if you waste your skills bursting them rather than an adc you're gonna let the carry live and probably die to them.
@metalmichew2
@metalmichew2 Ай бұрын
Im not sure, but i personally think Karma is the number 1 enchanter with her super strong kit, i would even say she is like the only "carry" enchanter because of it
@judemaij5316
@judemaij5316 Жыл бұрын
I see i see so the solution is obviously buff nasus Okayge
@auag7208
@auag7208 Жыл бұрын
A change they could introduce to reduce the power creep is to make the AOE total heal closer to a single target one, and make his shield more of a "imma save it until the feed guy is at risk". As to make his W a sustain ability out of fights, and his shield better to compensate for the strong nerfs. In truth idk much about champ/Milio's design, and i haven't played recently, but i wanted to contribute XD
@israelpadillla
@israelpadillla Жыл бұрын
Would the 13.12 nerfs to him enough??
@luccamaino4118
@luccamaino4118 Жыл бұрын
I believe that Seraphine (ap, mid/apc) and Sona can beat milio in late game. Seraphine because of her high ap ratios and spam in late game and Sona with her low cd in abilities and AoE peel.
@MrLarxene
@MrLarxene Жыл бұрын
Honestly they should rework him , like down tune his entire kit, that’s how they would fix many problematic champions in the game but then the game would become boring and if they buff all champions to be overtime but similar kits , they would have to nerf items. Basically it’s a lot of work that they need to do to lol at this rate and it’s popularity it’s going downhill fast.
@fupidox5642
@fupidox5642 Жыл бұрын
Solution is simple. Just make those items proc on ability cast instead of when shield/heal apply
@peterzarkadis462
@peterzarkadis462 Жыл бұрын
Comment 4 algorithm
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@brotherjohn6 Жыл бұрын
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