Why MiSTer FPGA is the Future of Retrogaming, Original Hardware Can't Keep Up || Electric Uncut

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Why MiSTer FPGA is the Future of Retrogaming, Original Hardware Can't Keep Up || Electric Uncut

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Why MiSTer FPGA is the Future of Retrogaming, Original Hardware Can't Keep Up. In this video, I go over why I am a fan of the MiSTer FPGA project, as compared to its competition and other products on the market. I also try my best to go over the advantages and disadvantages and explain what demographic of people it will appeal to the most. I am by NO MEANS dismissing Software-Based emulation (as some people do), as I am obviously a big fan of it as well. Instead, I try to explain why the MiSTer nicely compliments software-based emulation.
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00:00 Now is the Time to Talk about the MiSTer!
01:21 Though Shall Not Shill! Trying to be Fair and Balanced
03:10 What is the MiSTer anyway?
05:10 The Shape Shifter!
07:24 The Appeal of Physical Hardware Emulation
09:00 The Emulation Creep, Mods on Mods
11:35 The Retro Gaming Bubble is Deflating
14:10 Versatility, Consistency, and Saving Space!
16:49 More Accepted than Software (For Some Reason)
18:00 Vid Capture Made Easy!
19:10 The Biggest Disadvantage of the MiSTer
20:41 Why I Chose MiSTer over Analogue Super NT
21:42 Recap and Looking Towards the FUTURE!
#MiSTer, #FPGA, #retrogaming

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@joshbassett 3 жыл бұрын

You nailed it. This is the most balanced and informed look at MiSTer I have seen to date 👏

@youtibbles2546 3 жыл бұрын

thank you for your continued efforts with the cave cores, josh!

@joshbassett 3 жыл бұрын

@@youtibbles2546 All good, bud. Glad you've been enjoying the core.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

I am really glad to hear that!! :-)

@nayyarrashid4661 3 жыл бұрын

@@joshbassett will there be a Dreamcast core or will it be viable in future?

@ynotwalk7391 3 жыл бұрын

@@nayyarrashid4661 PSX seems like the ceiling for consoles

@Jaxxon123 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent video, He is the first person who has explained in depth and made a good case for it. Folks, If you're thinking about getting it, do it...it's awesome. I've had it for a year...NO REGRETS.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

I m glad to hear it!! Yeah I ve had mine for 6 months and use it all the time :-)

@marymarshall8847 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video thanx .I have been using MiSTer for over 2 years now and it's only has been getting bigger and better by the week .I live in a small unit being able to switch cores means I don't have to unpack then re pack consoles when I have finished with them and outputting to a 4k looks awesome.I am looking forward to the CPS2 core and more on the cave core

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah two huge developments! 3rd strike on the mister is going to be crazy!

@ynotwalk7391 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground i doubt CPS3 will ever happen in mister, but who knows CPS2 will be plenty awesome

@bazza5699 3 жыл бұрын

great to see more MiSTer content.. I've had mine for 3 years over the last year it feels like everyone is finally jumping on board.. woohoo.. :)

@notagropequarium6278 3 жыл бұрын

i love the energy mark brings into the electric uncut, "here we talk about whatever i wanna talk about" 😤👌

@WalrusFPGA 3 жыл бұрын

Congratulations! You just released a MiSTer video on the same day as Digital Foundry with their 1+million subs and did a far better job of explaining whats in store for folks just getting into this. Excellent video. One thing I want to clarify though, that I also saw in your previous video, is that Freesync is *not* supported by MiSTer. Freesync requires the HDMI 2.1 standard and MiSTer's HDMI chip is 1.4. You are perhaps more likely to get the odd refresh rates to work on your display if it supports Freesync/Gsync, but it is by no means guaranteed. Even displays that don't support variable refresh will commonly work with MiSTer's native frequency and low lag modes. I have a benQ 120hz monitor from 2011 and it supports every odd refresh rate I've thrown at it, without Freesync. It really depends on the display, but fortunately it seems *most* modern displays work with the low latency and original frequency output options on MiSTer.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!! I hope I don t get too buried by the DF vid ha, but it is what it is. So the freesync point is a real headscratcher for me Because I assumed it would not be possible because of the HDMI stuff like you said. And yet when I plug it into my Gsync + freesync monitor, (with vsync=2) the bad boy clearly reads 57 (and 59 on neo geo) and plays the game silly smooth. That s not the freesync though? I m interested to know what is going on ha

@WalrusFPGA 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground nope, its not actually freesync youre seeing there, just the readout on your set confirming that it is actually running in the proper frequency. it is a cool feature that many freesync displays have. freesync itself is part of the 2.1 hdmi standard that communicates refresh rate changes on-the-fly from device to device. since the consoles/systems on MiSTer don't change frequency while they are running, the freesync is not even really useful in that situation. You are likely to have better compatibility with odd refresh rates on a freesync display though, so it is perhaps something to look for still when getting a display for MiSTer use.

@SnackyCakess 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground What kind of monitor are you using? Sounds like it is a good fit for MiSTer.

@williammcguire130 3 ай бұрын

I have been looking into this for a while and when i saw you had done a piece on it i knew it would be helpful. Can't think of a bigger compliment i can give to a video game you tube channel.

@youtibbles2546 3 жыл бұрын

well said and thanks for posting! ive had my mister since last january and agree, FPGA systems are the future of retro gaming. the power/versatility of the mister is undeniable. ive been emulating video games since the early 2000s, and immediately after playing on the mister noticed how consistent and responsive the game cores were. i play alot of those SMW rom hacks for the SNES and would be thrilled to one day see the mister being accepted in GDQs for speedrunning. like you said, the mister is a set of hardware that can be standardized, and i dont see why FPGA systems wouldnt be accepted as a console in the future. you also touched on this, but contrary to something like an emulator on a random PC with unknown parts, FPGA setups can be a specific version of a console core, combined with a set of pre-determined hardware, which could be checked by GDQ/speedrunning judges and perhaps a "tester" could be developed to verify the legitimacy of the console being FPGA'd

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly!!! The standardization aspect has enormous potential

@Shawnsteroz 3 жыл бұрын

Well balanced Video with both sides of the story. I actually bought it for the Retro Computer Cores, like the Atari, Amiga, C64. Owning these old computers is getting harder to find and many of the chips, once they die, there isn't a replacement in some instances. So you get Consoles and Computer Implementation in the one device, which makes it great value.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

oh yeah the old school computers are a thing too! I gotta play some metal gear 2 solid snake on the msx core!

@christuckwell3185 3 жыл бұрын

I was weighing up getting a Vampire for my A500, but for that cost I figured I'd be better served with a MiSTer for the cost.

@jackbootshamangaming4541 3 жыл бұрын

I'm an Emulation pagan, I love em all. The war is fake honestly. All the devs love software emu too.

@martinmoller4947 3 жыл бұрын

There is no war just insecure individuals. I have all the options in owning mini consoles, fpga and og hw.

@Grooveraider 3 жыл бұрын

@@martinmoller4947 Amen, brother 👍

@jackbootshamangaming4541 3 жыл бұрын

@@martinmoller4947 I know, why I said it's fake. Boogermann is just salty

@Gigaku 3 жыл бұрын

Great video! I originally had a Super NT but got a mister as well for all the other consoles and cores. Once MiSTer got SNAC support I ended up selling my super NT since it allows for original controllers to be connected with zero additional input lag over the regular console.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah controller support is top tier! I use my arcade stick

@arcadesunday4592 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation of MiSTer ! I've been looking really closely at this project (again) as there appears to be lots of new development recently. Like you, my interest is more on the Arcade side. Definitively looking forward to the Cave games being supported, and there are already so many classic Arcade games that are supported. I hope to get my own DE-10 Nano one day soon, but for now I'm just watching all of the development ! Very exciting, and definitely a major contender for Arcade preservation going way into the future. Thanks for the video.

@TheElectricUnderground 2 жыл бұрын

Hell yes, I m looking forward to PS1 core!

@energyzer_bunny1913 3 жыл бұрын

I used to be the same way. I used to be "REAL HARDWARE OR NOTHING!" but then I realized quality emulation gets me 98% of the way there, plus these new solutions are far more convenient and practical. The ability to use whatever controller, no need for expensive RGB mods, and having 1 system hooked up is hard to beat. As time goes on, these alternatives to real hardware will ONLY GET BETTER.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly!! I went through the same journey too!

@mrkirk4944 3 жыл бұрын

Real hardware is still the best option IF you have the funds, the space, and the right video equipment - CRT, PVM, etc.. You can never beat owning the real thing, owning something that was built back in the day, used back in the day, and will never have latency issues, hardware and software compatibility issues, etc.. I own a MiSTer, it's fantastic. But it has it's issues, such as real controllers - getting there with SNAC, etc... but the 2600 core still doesn't have paddle support. Then there are CRT compatibility issues, some cores don't even display anything. Then there are computers, the BBC Micro for example, their keyboards are a joy to use - to get close on PC you need at least a decent mechanical keyboard, but you then have to remember where the BBC's keys were, same for ZX Spectrum. What I don't like about the MiSTer is the way it handles rom images. I mean, on PC/Pi/Phone etc.. all roms are a standard thing, but on MiSTer you have to do different things to the roms. MAME, for example, and the weird MRA thing.

@ynotwalk7391 3 жыл бұрын

@@mrkirk4944 the value of mister is awesome - $400 prebuilt box vs. the cost of (modded) original hardware plus, if you're interested in classic computers, you can run the original OS and whatnot think of it as an amiga replacement alone, value is still OK even then

@mrkirk4944 3 жыл бұрын

@@ynotwalk7391 That initial cost is what might put a lot of people off. I have tried to get my old retro mates to buy one, but when you have a mortgage, kids, and a wife, then a Raspberry Pi 4 is their best option - and to be honest, my MiSTer running on my Sony Trinitron - VGA to Scart, and a Pi 4 running on the same CRT with Pi2Scart, there is almost little difference to the eye, both look almost identical - but with a Pi you have that awesome mature Retropie to make things simple to use. I also have 15k worth of real retro hardware (current going prices on ebay), most of this I purchased back in the 80s and still own, the 90s when retro was super cheap, and the last 5 years. While these can be a real pain to maintain, setup, and dealing with cables, there is no better feeling than booting the real thing - it's just something only those of us that lived in the 80s could describe. Lets take the Commodore 64, for example. On the MiSTer, the core is superb, scarily close to the real thing, and connected to my Sony it looks superb. But, my real breadbin 64 connected to my Commodore 1701 looks even better, and running a Pi1541 I don't need to deal with the awfully slow 1541 disk drive. To me, the MiSTer is a great machine to tinker with. It's great when you just want to switch on and have something so close to the real thing. But it isn't perfect, and the little niggles that it still has can be frustrating.

@ynotwalk7391 3 жыл бұрын

@@mrkirk4944 people pay $1000 or more for a phone now, so it seems like an fpga box like mister is a really good value

@jwdory Жыл бұрын

Great video! Very informative. What display has worked out best for your MiSTer games?

@elliotweinstein7244 2 жыл бұрын

I just got my MiSTer all set up and connected to my VGA CRT monitor. Let's Shmup It Up baby!!!

@TheElectricUnderground 2 жыл бұрын

AWWWW YEAH!

@Bofner 3 жыл бұрын

For now I stick with mostly original hardware or official re-releases of games, for a lot of the reasons you mention. For Genesis games, I wanna play the carts that I have, and I want to do it on my CRT. The dual output on the MiSTer really is tempting, but if companies keep re-releasing their old IPs on the Switch or PC, I have no problem getting those official releases. But the price on ebay of retrogames is beyond stupid at this point, so for Saturn games, I know I'll never be able to have a full collection of real games and they almost never see re-release, but thankfully you can just burn copies for it

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I can understand that as well, the og carts are fun :-) still I sort of got away from them a while back thanks to the everdrive ha.

@ynotwalk7391 3 жыл бұрын

don't forget about the computer cores massive number of games, too many to ever see hoping for X68000 core

@gameplayfirst6548 3 жыл бұрын

Most emulated classics on Switch have much too high input lag.

@alfredocanas6802 3 жыл бұрын

miSTer did the same thing for me, my OG consoles are just accumulating dust, the only thing I would hope is savestates (not for cheating purposes) for the NES/Snes Core because I have limited time to play and I like to stop and pick up my game were I left, Rober Peip is getting things done with the GBA and GB Core but he says he can pull it off for other cores in the future.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Yes save states or so awesome, they are Definetly an important feature for practice! I hope we will start to see them appearing in the cores soon, I think it is possible.

@jackbootshamangaming4541 3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. One of my biggest wants is more savestate support. It'd be amazing to have it on the arcade games, but if that's too much, least some more consoles, especially NES/SNES. It would help with Mother 1/Eathbound Beginnings, and so many other JRPG playthrough SO MUCH.

@ralphjb 3 жыл бұрын

I don't mind the cores not having savestates, since that's how we played them originally. Most games have internal savestates or password systems, so it doesn't bother me much. Savestates would be better for picking up exactly where you left off but it isn't really necessary.

@alvallac2171 3 жыл бұрын

*where I left off

@jackbootshamangaming4541 3 жыл бұрын

@@ralphjb Idk man, I hate restarting a whole game just cause I couldn't finish it. Would be nice to start a save state.

@Pete_Hahn 3 жыл бұрын

I definitely agree that FPGA tech is the future of retro arcade/console gaming and am interested in getting a MiSTer in the future. One thing that keeps me using software emulation (like wolfMAME) and original hardware is high score verification...I wonder if an INP file recording function is something that can be implemented in the future? Ease of capture is a huge benefit to me, as well. Thanks for the breakdown!

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

That s a great question! I m honestly not sure, I would assume it is possible but require some additional work like introducing save states

@amerigocosta7452 3 жыл бұрын

I still don't have a MiSTer, but I'm making the most out of a Raspberry Pi 4 and for the time being I'm quite happy. So happy that every console from the 8-bits to PS1 is now in storage. While I have the utmost respect for purists with huge game rooms and the likes, that's just not for me.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Same here my studio is really cramped already ha. Also the pi4 is awesome!

@StarshipGhost 3 жыл бұрын

Well said!

@nixcanpor810 3 жыл бұрын

what happens if I plug an ultrawide screen hdmi to the mister fpga ? wil mister fpga correctly show black bars at the sides to simulate a system such as windows 3.1 XGA/VGA resolution ?

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

great question! I'm not entirely sure to be honest but I would expect it would retain the correct aspect ration. All else fails you probably could set the screen resolution in the .ini file

@titanforge4317 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Mark great video. You mentioned in here that the Sega saturn isn't supported. I have mine working with the Brook Retro board. I had to make my own adaptor but it is working perfectly.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

yes I used my brooks retro board for my silvergun 1cc recently!

@titi64230 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks !

@whatamalike 3 жыл бұрын

Definetly interested in this beast. As a pseudo minimalist one thing I am beginning to hate is just having a bunch of older systems plugged in at the same time cluttering up my space. Though I still don't want to get rid of any of them specifically, so I feel the mister is a decent solution to that too.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

It is!! I have now nicely stored my snes and genesis since getting the mister

@whatamalike 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground absolutely this would go well with my Polymega...WHEN I ACTUALLY RECEIVE IT! 😂

@mcayea 3 жыл бұрын

Damn you and your Truths, Im that sucker with the origianl consoles, scart switchers, ossc and framemeister, and sometimes I just want to MiSTer and play.

@flottenheimer Жыл бұрын

1.5 years later - the MiSTer is aging really well in the arcade-core department : ) Amazing developers! Nullobject's ever expanding list of supported Cave cores... - Jotego is talking about Sega Model 1 on MiSTer now... What we already have is just wonderful - but man, the future seems bright for this little wonder.

@trev1976 3 жыл бұрын

Loving the info , I'm hoping one day someone will just supply this thing fully loaded and ready to go , the older I get the less I want to play around setting systems up. I've done that for over 20yrs now and would rather just play.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

I feel yeah! So I am going to make a video soon on the setup that will try to make it as plug and play as I can!

@trev1976 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground ok nice . Thanks

@ynotwalk7391 3 жыл бұрын

premade mister boxes are already for sale

@youtibbles2546 3 жыл бұрын

misteraddons is one such website/person that does exactly that. a prebuilt bundle with everything you need (mister, 128mb RAM, IO board, USB hub w/AC adapter and power switch) i honestly wish they were around when i was first getting into the mister, because i had a heck of a time finding an IO board and sourcing the 128mb around a year ago. and yes, having a pre-built setup is super convenient

@trev1976 3 жыл бұрын

@@youtibbles2546 ok thanks , I'll take a look

@-dash 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a question about the DDP mister core: can you rotate the output in the menus/config? My JVC can’t really go tate and is anchored to 4:3, but I still really would like to eventually play DDP on it through a mister. Is that possible?

@TheElectricUnderground 2 жыл бұрын

Yes! I think you have to change it in the ini file if I remember right.

@-dash 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground awesome that’s good to know ty bro

@sunekoo 3 жыл бұрын

This is a good, balanced look at the current state of things. Personally, playing original carts on original hardware will (probably) never lose its appeal, but it’s hard to argue against the convenience of this.

@ed.rana2000 3 жыл бұрын

I do the Punch Out test. If you can dodge and counter punch Tyson in the first round consistently then it's a perfect implementation. Only the Mister has done that for me.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah mister has the same latency as the OG hardware, I would not use it if it introduced lag (I m very sensitive to input lag)

@StarshipGhost 3 жыл бұрын

That is a good test. The only thing that can fix that with software emulation is RetroArch with runahead... but that is dependent on the person's hardware, although maybe for NES it doesn't matter as much hardware-wise, as opposed to more taxing cores.

@martinmoller4947 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Mega man 2 is unplayable on emus.

@AKTANEARCADE 3 жыл бұрын

great test! I use this test for input lag too. I can do this with Mesen via retroarch, my computer monitor (ASUS LCD), and a NES Mini Controller through a gbros adapter usb (wired). At first I thought I needed to use runahead latency reduction. That was the first time I beat Tyson was with runahead latency at 2 frames, but then I scaled that back to 0 and I can still do it, but my human reactions have to be absolutely on point (it's me, not my setup). This is WITH V-Sync because I just hate tearing haha. or Freesync with my monitor set to 60.1hz (apparently the NES is slightly over 60hz? I think it's like 60.055 or something... anyways. It's definitely possible. Martin Moller - the emulator isn't the issue, your screen is likely the issue.

@AKTANEARCADE 3 жыл бұрын

I was also able to beat Mike Tyson by using an emulator hack on my Evercade - so input lag on that must be pretty low as well! I think once you get past the NES for emulation, it gets sketchy though... this is where the MiSTER interests me the most, the arcade emulation with super low latency

@thebocop 3 жыл бұрын

Agree about all the consoles out at once. As u go, u start to realize the important thing about all these consoles is the games themselves so having a cleaner setup after a while u just want things to be more accessible and rdy to go.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah exactly ha! The hardware is fun but as soon as I got the mister it just became less and less used to the point where I put it away and just use the mister now :-)

@RetroTuna 3 жыл бұрын

Well i have all the consoles and some of the jamma boards and love them, i got the all the emulators and mini consoles love them as well there fun to play on, i have 2 of the analog consoles and there great pretty much better than the original consoles to be honest. Well just picked up a mister a few days ago and loving it, pretty much fpga is going to be the future of retro gaming i think emulation still has its place and always will so will the original consoles but having everything on one machine hardware emulated corectley with all the roms in one place is pretty much the way to go, so easy and conveniant and i can use my arcade stick on all consoles and computers. I agree with you its the way to go and i cant see me using my consoles much now but still love tho and wont be selling them lol.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

yeah exactly. Now my consoles are packed up in snuggly warm blankets and enjoying a peaceful retirement ;-)

@RetroTuna 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground i was thinking of doing same then just realised i got so meany i have no where to put lol.

@martinmoller4947 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah my super NT went back in the package since i have my MiSTer. Not going to sell hw im not using anymore. Why not have both? Also keep my mini consoles.

@RetroTuna 3 жыл бұрын

@@martinmoller4947 yeah i think i will be putting mine away today as well i wont be selling either hate selling stuff lol.

@robbystrange4772 3 жыл бұрын

Since I had a strong pc what I did was just use a 31 kHz crt pc monitor and use that with retroarch. Using crt switchres you can make it show 240p. Just change vsync swap chain interval to 2 if you do. It's great cause saturn works great, like having the real thing, except in a rgb pc case. AFAIK you'd need a line doubler for 240p on the mister for "real doublestrike". *edit* the mister does support this method becauss it handles arbitrary resolutions.

@adistantimage3928 3 жыл бұрын

Oh ima get dat

@nhutchins 3 жыл бұрын

Nice vid. I too have basically put all my consoles away since acquiring a Mister. I have a second which I switch out between my two candy cabs as well. By the way did you get that no miss no bomb no beanstalk 1cc SMB1 run in the end?

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

I did!!!! jeez what a grind it was ha. Gonna do a commentary vid for it

@nhutchins 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground Nice, congrats

@critterpinball6954 3 жыл бұрын

Interested to get the low down.

@kranibal 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting point of views. When it comes to collecting I am slowly getting away from it. I am more and more interested in FPGA devices and MISTer seems like the best option for now.

@johnwiesen4440 3 жыл бұрын

I have Amigas 1 A500+ and 2 A1200 all with lots of upgrades so I can use my HDMI screen all have 68030 cards some with 68882 on them. The A 500+ I got the ACA 500+ to take the 68030 cards, I like them a lot, but if I need a fast Amiga I use my Pi4b It`s just plug and play. I am all so getting a MisTer set up going What I like about it is hardware emulation. I will use it for Amiga, ST and Dos, I am getting the bits together to get a Roland MT-32 in a Pi 3B. I have also got a ZX Spectrum Next on order. Yes I would love a Vampire for my Amigas the use FPGA. They cost a bit. You can do more with the MisTer.

@bonggzilla 3 жыл бұрын

This is the future but for now i am happy with my og consoles / mame etc...

@lalos3813 2 жыл бұрын

Mister has my Analogue nt noir and super nt collecting dust. All hail the mister!!!!

@TheElectricUnderground 2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah!

@c2ironfist 3 жыл бұрын

Been wanting to get a MisTer for a while but the biggest hurdle I'll need to overcome would be setting up that SD card and downloading all the proper files I know there are a ton of resources online but going through all of it can be overwhelming I'm still learning the ins and out of shmuparch on the Pi I cant for the life of me get the PSone core working or Dreamcast And from my understanding the MisTer is harder to figure out lol 🤣 Anyways great video on the MisTer You made a lot of very solid points I'm eventually going to make it happen 😁

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

gonna make a how to setup vid for it soon and will make it as easy as possible :-)

@c2ironfist 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground Oh Nice! Your shmuparch video on the Pi 4 was great If its anything like that then it should be an easy start :D I got shmuparch up and running but had a difficult time trying to use other cores that required additional files like the Dreamcast and Playstation There's a ton of things I would have liked to do with shmuparch like output 240p to a CRT Get the Playstation and Dreamcast running etc Maybe some ideas for MisTer videos if your up to it could be 240p output to a CRT What accessories you recommend etc Files you need to download etc Always appreciate your content :) Been a huge influence on what I end up playing and buying too lol

@christuckwell3185 3 жыл бұрын

Most of the sellers of MiSTer setups will include an SD card with the directories and files (sans ROMs). To keep it up to date there is an update script. To get the correct arcade ROMs from archive.org there is a script for that. Pezz82 did a bunch of great setup videos on KZfaq, but sadly he's not doing anymore of those at the moment.

@martinmoller4947 3 жыл бұрын

Its not that complicated. Just setup the micro sd card with the Mr fusion image and get the update all script. Easy to Google and on yt.

@c2ironfist 3 жыл бұрын

@@martinmoller4947 I dont have one on hand to tinker with to know Hopefully it's not too hard to figure out I guess when it comes to me I have bad luck 😅

@Astrotech1054 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting and nice video Mark! I agree with these points! I agree MiSTer is cool. I believe software emulation and FPGA is the future. It also saves a lot of space and money compared to the original hardware. Keep up the great and interesting videos!! 🙂

@TheElectricUnderground 2 жыл бұрын

Yes I m about to put my money where my mouth is and start selling my old cartridges

@Astrotech1054 2 жыл бұрын

I see, good luck with selling your cartridges.

@MrBlank0 3 жыл бұрын

One advantage of an Analogue console with an Everdrive/Mega SD flash cart are save states. That's the one feature I wish MiSTer had more of. I think the GBA core is the only one with save states. Otherwise, I love mine and it got me to hunt down a PVM to play it on!

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Yep I agree 100% I really hope we start to see some save state deving here soon

@scipio8866 3 жыл бұрын

For me it’s all about replicating my childhood experience. A CRT, original hardware and controllers and an Everdrive does that. And the input is crisp, and the display looks great. But I’m not all militant about it. Whatever works for you is what works for you. Its ridiculous how defensive people get over this stuff

@bnr32jason 2 жыл бұрын

I know I'm 7 months late to reply to your comment, but the MiSTer can do everything you are talking about and it many cases it will do it better. I have mine connected to a 32" Sony XBR250 with a simple VGA to Component cable. Then you can use original controllers as well with an adapter or use some of the replica controllers from companies like RetroBit. I have most of the original consoles in my collection, but since I got the MiSTer, I put most of them away. I still have my Saturn and PS2 connected to my CRT, but that's about it. The MiSTer gives every bit of the original experience (minus the cartridge) and makes it super easy. There's also the benefit of technically better video/audio output than many of the consoles that need to be RGB modded to get the best quality.

@gawkersdeathrattle1759 3 жыл бұрын

Just FYI (not a murder, just insight), the MiSTer project is built atop the Terasic DE-10 board, which was intended as an education/prototyping board to help people get into FPGA development at a low barrier-to-entry price, on the order of 50% the cost-per-logic-unit of other entry level prototyping boards. It's not the very most powerful device out there that does this sort of work, but it is by far the most cost efficient device, and its capabilites are vast -- it's expected to have enough gates to ultimately recreate an accurate PS1 core (although probably not N64, alas).

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I would love to see ps1 happen!

@toonses4300 3 жыл бұрын

Digital foundry didn't show how it works.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

I haven t seen their video yet, I just saw they announced it right before I was about to record and thought "oh no!" I need to hurry before they drop the bomb and crush me in the alg ha.

@Mingodough 3 жыл бұрын

I want it but I already have all the minis and I would love the mister more if it had a better looking ui. Don’t get me wrong it’s very good, straight to the point no bs but idk don’t like the look. Though I wouldn’t be mad if one day I had to sell all my minis to get this, it’s weird. I really like the aesthetics of the minis looking like the original consoles, the controllers, the menus. That’s what I’d miss the most, because with the this is just be playing with whatever pad I have that gen and a stick, makes everything kinda blend together

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

I think shnazzy ui and casing is definitely possible!

@MrArkBrian 3 жыл бұрын

The absolute truth for why the MiSTer FPGA is now gaining so much steam is because of the subconscious, awakening-power of one, soon-arriving game. Even if you’re not into it and even if you don’t care about this game...as an individual you cannot escape the potential power, supernatural even, of this game: Super Street Fighter II X: Grand Master Challenge / Super Street Fighter II: Turbo

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Ahhhh yeah!! That will be amazing

@martinmoller4947 3 жыл бұрын

Marvel vs capcom. Enough said.

@MrArkBrian 3 жыл бұрын

@@martinmoller4947 Jotego even made additional improvements to CPS1 this week. Once the CPS2 public core is released the DE-Nano boards will go into shortage. The word is spreading like wildfire in the fighting game community of the arrival of CPS2.

@censoredterminalautism4073 3 жыл бұрын

Really damn cool. I have wanted something like this to exist for quite a while, so I'm going to buy one eventually. Unfortunately, poverty is a thing for me. I don't even have a decent computer anymore, so that is going to take a while.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

I hope it also comes down in price in the future, from what I understand the FPGA hardware itself is expensive.

@censoredterminalautism4073 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground It should, but even if it doesn't, I'm willing to pay quite a bit of money for it considering the amount of hardware that it can be a replacement for. It's powerful enough that I would be willing to pay even the current price for it, but that would be very irresponsible for me to do right now, even though I do have the money. If you think about it, it's a great deal considering how much cheaper it is than buying a bunch of consoles and filling your house with arcade hardware, which is something that a lot of people do anyway.

@roasty80 3 жыл бұрын

When it can run dreamcast and n64 ill take interest

@yllib2012 3 жыл бұрын

I love Neo Geo on MiSTer.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Me too!

@Sr.D 3 жыл бұрын

One thing I find absolutely pointless it's mixing a FPGA console with a FPGA flashcart, totally agree, I find interesting the mega sg cause I have a good Megadrive collection, same way I find interesting an Everdrive pro or mega SD for use with real hardware, but mixing both...but again, if you don't have cartridges and the real console mixing both will give you the same accurate experience than MisTer but with save states...what leads me again to accurate emulators that already do that...

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah it would be cool to get a cart reading attachment someday! Sounds like that will require a hardware revision. I could see it happening in the future if it gains more popularity and demand though

@neontetra1000 3 жыл бұрын

Can’t wait for the sdoj Mister core!

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

That would be awesome! Ibara too!

@amerigocosta7452 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground I doubt the current version of the MiSTer has the computational power to simulate Ibara or other boards based on the SH-3 chip or other comparable processors. If a future version ever targets PS1/Saturn/Dreamcast, then it might as well do these advanced boards and more. For the time being, everything bigger than a mid range 486 processor seems out of reach for the MiSTer.

@MrLazenby007 3 жыл бұрын

Amerigo Costa it has the power for ps1 (a core is in development) and I've been told the Saturn too

@amerigocosta7452 3 жыл бұрын

@@MrLazenby007 I'm glad I was wrong then!

@sandyollia4200 3 жыл бұрын

So, my only question is this: Can I play ZX Spectrum games on it? (I have zero interest in 'consoles')

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

yes! github.com/MiSTer-devel/ZX-Spectrum_MISTer

@kevinmorin1248 3 жыл бұрын

The mister is virtually lag free, which is a huge deal for me. If we had a house fire I would prioritize family, pets and the mister :P

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm really really sensitive to input lag (notoriously so ha) kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i710jbanmtmaZps.html

@PedroFerreira-sx2gd Жыл бұрын

Tryed today in the zx Spectrum version. It is good, but It is a premium package not acessible for everyone. Probably i Will wait a few years to see more modern system emulated (it is a technology in his infancy) and cheaper price. Probably the greatest thing in gaming created in my country (well , at least after paradise café)

@riggel8804 3 жыл бұрын

It looks like save states are virtually impossible for certain systems via FPGA. An example of this is the Sega Genesis. There is save states support on the Mega Everdrive but it's really broken. If you go to the krikz forum or the mister forums you can read up on how it's virtually impossible to implement save states for many consoles via any fpga hardware. Major bummer my dudes. However I think we can work around this. Some mister cores do have save state support i.e GBA. For those consoles that don't have save state support we can use rom hacks like the Game Genie for stage select support and it appears that arcade games can get stage select support built in, as in the Dodonpachi core. What's the input lag situation like on the mister Mark? I was surprised you didn't mention this. The information I gathered regarding mister input lag was confusing and complicated.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Oh input lag is really good and same as console if you set it to vsync = 2 (off) in the ini. Sorry forgot to mention it since I talked about it in my ddp mister vid :-)

@riggel8804 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground Do you get screen tearing when you set the vsync to 2?

@MrLazenby007 3 жыл бұрын

Slim shady delivering the goods once again

@badusername765 Жыл бұрын

I could be totally wrong but the emulation creep might also be a result of retro game prices skyrocketing over the past few years. Some people can’t justify having a CIB copy of Thunder Force IV on their shelf if it costs twice as much as a modern AAA game does.

@philmason9653 3 жыл бұрын

Any time I see someone happily posting their Terra Onion modded Saturn on Reddit or whatever I wonder why they would even bother, they've basically just got an overly complicated AV cable for their ROMs. I'm still an OG hardware guy myself, simply because it feels "right" and is "the real thing" (note the scare quotes), but I wouldn't deny for a second that it's exciting seeing the changes possible through other solutions. Especially as display technology progresses further & further away from 20th century standards. We're still not that far off from that paradigm, but if in 15 years everyone's rolling with trixel-based virtual retina displays or something, that Sega Mega Drive native output designed for the world of 1988 might provide certain unforeseen hindrances.

@roasty80 3 жыл бұрын

Everdrives on actual hardware isn't emulation

@room.beer.controller3032 Ай бұрын

cool

@charvelgtrs 3 жыл бұрын

I don't mean to come off rude, but is the shaking nerves or a health thing? It kinda looked like you were, well........

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Ha no I was freezing, it was cold as hell in my little studio, you 'll see that I warm as the vid goes on :-)

@deus_nsf 3 жыл бұрын

Well this is cool and all, but it would be even better if one of the 2 options wouldn't be out of stock ^^

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Oh damn that sucks!! Probably supply issues going on :-( I ve had mine for about 6 months now so I hope it restocks soon!

@deus_nsf 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground It's been 1+ year that I have been waiting for Analogue Super NT to resupply :D I wasn't aware of Mister FPGA at the time though. On the topic though, one thing is important to consider, is that FPGA emulation is still in it's infancy compared to software emulation, and just the fact that we can almost already call it a better deal is impressive in itself.

@MichaelW1980randoms Жыл бұрын

Seriously, „closer to original hardware“ should be seen as a relative term anyways. Take the SNES. It had several revisions and they all behaved slightly different. Some people found the Analogue Super NT to be too dull on the colors, others found it to be too bright. TV r Analogue Super NT was weird in that sense, as it was closer to the earliest revision, while being super sharp, which was impossible on the first revision SNES. And even within the same revision, they could still differ slightly, due to aging and stuff. I’m at the point where I don’t care anymore. To me it’s simply close enough. And this is where things are going to be on all retro devices someday.

@iraplikeyoubreathe 3 жыл бұрын

A coworker of mine has a neogeo for sale and im going to snatch it up, im excited and worried about it, he hasnt quoted a price yet, pray for me and my wallet...

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Oh that s awesome! Aes or mvs?

@iraplikeyoubreathe 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground Aes ,with a cartridge adapter to play mvs titles

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

@@iraplikeyoubreathe that's awesome! Let's be honest here, the AES is way cooler than MVS ;-)

@iraplikeyoubreathe 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground Agreed💯, i know metal slug 1 is in the mix as well as an mvs blazing star two games ive heard you mention as favorites

@martinmoller4947 3 жыл бұрын

Get a MiSTer instead. You re getting the same experience and can use og controller. Probably cheaper than an aes + neo geo sd. Of course i understand that you want the og hw.

@poodudeelite 3 жыл бұрын

Fwiw the IO board is not needed to play Mister on a crt. Mister outputs analog audio and video through the hdmi port. All you need is a cheapo $2 hdmi to vga cable and an update in the .in file for composite sync.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

wow!! That's awesome!!

@critterpinball6954 3 жыл бұрын

Does that mean the crt needs a vga port?

@poodudeelite 3 жыл бұрын

@@critterpinball6954 no, you get a VGA to scart cable. Several sites sell these now, or you can make your own. If you're just using a consumer crt, you want an adapter or converter box to convert the rgb signal to component.

@critterpinball6954 3 жыл бұрын

@@poodudeelite thanks 🙏🏼

@coldcoffeeMK2 3 жыл бұрын

Component video requires sync on green for them to work on most consumer grade tvs. IO board is needed for that.

@josh_2230 3 жыл бұрын

We know current MiSTer's hardware limitation. It is great improvement but not a future. I guess we have to find next generation FPGA board of MiSTer.

@silverstar8561 3 жыл бұрын

I dont know if itll be able to play later cave games tho, cv1k seems to be incredibly janky hardware. Also ill still prefer software emulation bc of more technologies&features

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah will probably require a hardware revision to get to the later cave. I do think down the line more features like save states and maybe even inp will start to appear :-)

@trev1976 3 жыл бұрын

I'm definitely interested in the mister but it does seem a bit of a faff

@Jaxxon123 3 жыл бұрын

It's awesome! I'm telling you, people are wasting their money on all this other crap (Console Minis, etc) YOU WONT REGRET IT!

@ynotwalk7391 3 жыл бұрын

faff?

@trev1976 3 жыл бұрын

@@ynotwalk7391 messing around

@martinmoller4947 3 жыл бұрын

@@trev1976 its not that complicated to setup the micro sd card. Use the Mr fusion image and the update all script. Thats all you need to know. Easy to Google.

@deus_nsf 3 жыл бұрын

Well, looks like that shit just got propelled to the mainstream. Digital Foundry just did a 20 minutes episode on it!

@alvallac2171 3 жыл бұрын

*propelled *mainstream. Digital (to fix your comma splice run-on) *episode (singular)

@deus_nsf 3 жыл бұрын

@@alvallac2171 Done!

@error4159 3 жыл бұрын

I don't see the big deal. A mini pc running Windows or Linux will handle everything a Mister setup will for a third of the price. A raspberry pi setup will do the same as well. Mister just seems like a flavor of the month.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

at this stage I can see what you mean. As the compatibility grows though I think we are going to see stuff happen on the mister that does not emulate all that well on PC and Mame, stuff like garegga, batrider, maybe even the later cave games!

@BamdTheBamd 3 жыл бұрын

"i'm on windows 8" said no one ever maybe agdq doesn't allow emulation cause they're afraid nintendo will be up their ass or something

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

a moment of silence for the windows 8 users ............ thank you. Ha yeah I think that's exactly right about gdq

@MrBroken030 3 жыл бұрын

I dont understand why people are still talking about agdq, that event is so over moderated and dead, why should any gaming community consider agdqs ruling anymore?

@Sr.D 3 жыл бұрын

FPGA it's cool but I NEED save states, I like to make my own check points, you know, so if I'm kill in the 4th stage of Gradius III or R Type I don't have to start from the beginning cause I lost all my power ups, and cause I work and have a life and I need to be able to save a game and pick were I left even if it's like one hour short, I really don't understand why FPGA solutions like the Mega sd, or Mega Everdrive Pro can do it and MisTer not. So as long as it's that way I will stick to real hardware and FPGA cartridges of just simply Retroarch with an accurate core like Bsnes or Blastem, I really can't tell the difference between those and real hardware...well in fact, Retroarch do looks better on my HDTV with amazing CRT shaders.

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

I m also a huge fan of Retroarch and savestates so I Definetly know what you mean :-) the good news is that we will see save states on the mister in the future, it s just more complicated to implement from what I understand. I have faith it will happen though

@Sr.D 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground I hope so, but Jotego @topapate himself answer me today this: twitter.com/topapate/status/1355596776804405250?s=19

@martinmoller4947 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah playing rtype on my core grafx mini bc of this reason. Im pretty sure all cores get save states. Its possible on gba already.

@martinmoller4947 3 жыл бұрын

@@Sr.D last year the overall opinion was that save states are not possible at all bc its fpga. And now gba /gbc have save state. But of course its possible that more complicated cores will not have this feature.

@lancebukkake 3 жыл бұрын

_"But can it play Crysis?"_

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Ha Crysis core coming soon ;-)

@lancebukkake 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheElectricUnderground i'll be watching this on the train tomorrow

@liamconverse8950 8 ай бұрын

It still can't really run Sega Saturn from what Ive seen

@BillB808 3 жыл бұрын

CPU and GPU power goes so fast across the Pc/console/mobile/tablet world...such that the new snapdragon chips or the xboxes are ploughing a train through everything up to and including PS2...the series S was £250 quid the other day...so...i'm considering fpga but red dead revolver and Gradius v are winking at me out of the corner of my eye...so i just let free mc boot keep my wallet happy for now...one day...maybe mister2!

@TheElectricUnderground 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah software emulation is a beast, there is no denying that! I think this fits more as a console hardware replacement but on a pure performance level it is hard to compete with software, especially with freesync (though the mister does freesync too!)