Ha three lags is acceptable ;-D Seriously though, thanks for tuning in!

:-D I hope it delivers for you ha. It was meant to be a 15 min vid, but I couldn't contain the arcade stick talk ha.

oh no ha, be careful with your soldering iron!

Happy birthday!!! 🎂

I am glad to hear it! Here s to hoping Sony isn t too greedy ha

Can t go wrong with hori! At least so far :-)

I love the short throw as well!

Prometheus!!! Yes what a great dude and great guide. Full extent was my bible when I got into shmups. I have a great interview with Prometheus on this channel: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mrClm9mY0L7epJ8.html

That would be pretty cool!

Hey thanks so much for checking it out and the awesome comment!

for sure! I love the arcade style start button personally.

Awesome comment my dude!!

LINK THIS LEVER PLEASE. I've tried so hard to figure out which one it is, but haven't had confirmation. Is it a crown of some kind?

@@TheElectricUnderground Of course! arcadeshock.com/collections/frontpage/products/ist-rox-knee-lever Super hard to find right now. I bought mine from Focus Attack when they had stock a couple months ago. I replaced the engraved bat tops since I didn't want to wear those down.

yes we'll have to wait to see, I really hope brooks add the ability to connect to PS5 for sure.

That's really cool! Yes I like how easy they are to mod.

yeah I know, what the hell?! They need to figure out the genesis connectivity.

have you ever experienced some lag with the f500 elite... ?... im start to think in buy it... thanks!

@@Dreamerpunk I don't believe there's been any lag, other than what each system may introduce, like the Switch. I'm actually going to mod mine to put in a Seimitsu stick, once it arrives.

@@GameBoyGuru thanks!!!..

Glad my vid has been helpful!

Nice! there is also the brooks retroboard you can throw in there and dual mod to bypass needing the adapters :-D I'll have to do a vid on that in the future.

@@TheElectricUnderground aww damn, fo sho.

Yeah they re the best!

Not a fan of Smash then obviously😂

@@justsayin4632 Heheh, you got me there. I don't hate the games; I play them with my kids, but they definitely aren't personal favorites. My inner old man prefers traditional 1 on 1 2D fighters from the Capcom, SNK, and Arc System Works pedigrees if I'm going to play a fighter. My Neo Geo AES, MVS, Dreamcast, and Saturn get my fighter time. That GC controller is just too cramped for my hands to the point of being uncomfortable to use for long, and I really don't like the C-stick nub and button layout... and that D-pad is horrifically tiny. It's a subjective thing, though, and I can at least understand why some people adore it, whether nostalgia, hand fit, or how it suits a specific game. As for me, I'll take almost any controller over the Gamecube's. Maybe not a floppy Atari 5200 stick...

@@bananonymouslastname5693 I’m a 40yo SF head myself. But let me tell you, between me and my nine-year-old son, our Smash rivalry is just as brutal and bloody as any other fighting game😂 Pro controller works just as well at a larger size. The D-pad in Smash is only used for taunting. Believe me, I felt just like you when I first tried Smash. But if you give it a shot, and maybe set it to tournament rules (1v1, three stock, no items, since items are what make it feel like the “Mario Kart“ of fighting games) it can get as deep and nuanced as any fighter. I’m talking strictly about Smash Ultimate. The previous entries all had major flaws that would’ve kept them from being as competitive as I think they should have been. But Ultimate is extremely polished. I’ll always be an SSF2T guy til I die, but I can say from experience, don’t knock it til you try it!😀

That stick drives me crazy with it s misleading marketing, but I have an on and off relationship with mayflash products ha

Yes!

I realize I am kinda off topic but does anybody know of a good website to stream new tv shows online ?

@Jagger Nolan Flixportal :P

@Lincoln Yousef thank you, I went there and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :) I really appreciate it !

@Jagger Nolan No problem :D

I really like the Ls 32, but I'm not sure which is the best overall. It's hard to really know since there are so many ha.

I showed my little cousin my Magic cards. ..... :-D .... .. I got , O.G. , BETAs yeah , I showed him because he loves the Pokemons yeah hahahahahaha. And he was Enthralled immediately.

I d say proceed with caution. I don t have their arcade stick but I did buy their snes pad a while back and it was a laggy boy

Zelude Rose Hey I got a quick question. So I've mostly played shmups and want to try my hand at a fighting game. It seems daunting to get into but what game would you recommend to a complete beginner. Only experience I'd have is watching and playing a small amount of competitive Melee.

@@utikt this would actually be much easier to answer over a chat service rather than youtube comments if thats ok - got discord? mine's "zelrose🌹#0694", feel free to add me & ill answer any question youve got :)

Yes! Shmups are played on arcade stick as well (for the most part) :-D Yeah give it a try! I was primarily a fgc guy as well before shmups. I still love fighting games of course, but would love for more people to check out shmups.

@@utikt since you didnt add me the basic answer is whatever you like enough to motivate you to get better

Hey do you like that obsidian? Thinking either getting that or the Crystal

You bet! Go ahead and I can answer it here :-) If youtube gets mad about the comment being to long you can make a pastebin and I can read that as well :-)

​@@TheElectricUnderground ​ thank youuu! I already kinda came to a conclusion, but I always like an informed second opinion. long story long (lol) : i picked up tekken 7 with a friend recently, i'm really casual with fightign games, i barely played in the last 2 years and never before than. I play on pc and some times on switch. Right now i'm using the switch pro controller for fighters, but i don't fing myself too well with controller or keyboard, and I wanted to try stick. I picked up the mayflash f101 (40 euros) just to try it out, buying from amazon. I liked playing on a stick, but the thing bricked after 2 hours, trying to upgrade the firmware (the inputs would freeze for a second every now and again, and i thought it was a software problem. Updating it made it stop working entirely, doesn't even light up). Got another cheapo from amazon just to try the experience, i will return that as well due to various issue, but I can tell that i like stick, and I can get used to it (easier then keyboard for sure). This is the premise, here comes the problem: I'm in europe, so prices are kind of f'd up, and there is no point in buying anything used, as prices are often as high or higher then new, due to shipping or importation taxes. I've excluded mayflash since my experience and your video confirmed it. at first I thought about building a stick from scratch (i have experience in building things) but realized I would spend over 100 euros (110 to 130) so i thought: let me see what i can buy for that price: turns out i have 1 option basically: the Dragon Slay Universal Fight Stick, which apparently is a controversial product that was re-branded by mad catz as the EGO stick, and from another manufacturer as well. I could only find positive things about the stick, but too few information to think it's actually worth it. Still, 117 euros, full sanwa parts, pc switch ps4 and xbo compatibility, didn't sound too bad; until i thought about switching to a korean lever... Anyway. This option, 117, we'll say 120. For 115 there's also the mayflash f500 elite (excluded due to mayflash) and... that's it. The Qanba drone here costs 100 euros. Which is stupid. And the Hori Rap (whatever version) goes for no less than 150 new or 130 second hand on ebay. My conclusion was: if the Dragon Slay is worth it, it's the only thing that's worth it. But i don't know! Do you know anything about this stick? I still think I won't get it... But I'd like to hear an opinion. (anything else I haven't mentioned is above 150 or above 200 even) I truly wanted something working on pc AND switch. So for now, I decided to try the Hori Fight Commander gamepad, which is 38 euros, and goes on the switch, and should have a better D-pad than the switch pro controller botth for switch AND pc. The idea is I will slowly start building the case for a stick and buy parts as i go. I thought about getting a crown stick, which is probably the most convenient thing thinking about tekken7 as a main or top-2 fighting game i would want to play. I still have a few concerns. I don't think I will attend any events anytime soon, mainly because of the pandemic, but also because of other factors. But eventually I would want to go to some local event. What platforms are used in live events and tournaments? How should I approach the compatibility factor? I really wouldn't want to spend too much on a PCB (I was looking into the brooks zero-PI for starters: it's cheap, solid, works on pc and switch - is it good? wrong?) Also I have no idea about buttons but this is the least important problem. Lastly, If you have any website, page, article, thread, anything to help someone on their first custom build, it would be great. I figured out what i need to get and how i need to put it together, but it's easy to miss out on something when you're new to it. Thank you. I really appreciate you reading through this mess.

@@TheElectricUnderground did I write to much? lol

I actually do a slight mod on my actuator to make it wider for a shorter throw :-) It's a tiny adjustment but I think it can help the overall feel.

@@TheElectricUnderground Yeah I'm very curious about trying this. I tried once to add some electrician tape to the actuator. Bad idea! So is your mod a semi-official one like Koval actuator or is it totally DIY? Curious how you did it.

I would but I don't have one unfortunately. One thing I will say though is beware their numbers, because they have lied before. I bought a xbox to ps2 controller converter in the past that was described as "1ms." Turned out it added a whole frame of lag :-(

The micro switches are what create the inputs. And you can open the button and clean it out

@@TheElectricUnderground Ok, thanks. What about sticks that don't make clicking sounds? Do those have silent microswitches or do they use another method for creating inputs?

Any stick you can find that has a siemitsu ls 32 :-)

Yes me too! Yeah I want to try the golden lever

Oh man now i really want to find a Myoungshin with gersung! Let me know if you have any leads.

Yeah I never owned the hori ps4 sticks so I have no idea about them and that s why I didn t recommend the ps4 versions. I do know that the hori vxsa (the 360 stick) has excellent input lag response time. So that s why i recommend that one if playing unmodified but the ps3 versions if you want a cheap solid case and then swap on a brooks board. I m behind on the newer sticks like the quamba and razers, but I generally shy away from newer models because of the pricing.

The Electric Underground you are right. People still find it hard to justify spending $200 on an arcade stick so used sticks are the best approach for new comers. I love your videos man thank you. I’m a fan of your channel. I’m still trying to 1cc my first shmup (garegga or ketsui) and your videos are very helpful.

@The Electric Underground I believe Hori improved input lag with the Fighting Edge for PS4, it is only compatible with PS4 and not PS3 which probably helps. I own it and it seems great. However, your used husk + Brooks board is probably the smarter route. Fighitng Edge looks nice though! Those EZ mods are intriguing.

I've had a Qanba Q4Raf for a few years now and its never let me down. The metal chassis gives a good weight and solidity to it. Never had problems with button presses but im not a prolific kof player. When i bought mine it cost about £120. I use it on xbox 360,pc and ps4 through a brooks convertor. Im not well up on lag and stuff but it serves me well.

Nice!

Let me take a look, I ve never heard of it. I 'll so me research real quick

So the stick and buttons are solid sanwa components, so that's good. But I suspect the internals are crazy and weird. Do you mind opening it up and taking a picture of the internals?

I actually own this exact stick and can say that it's alright but not amazing. What is rather nice about it is that it's an absolute breeze to mod it or replace parts if you want to increase the quality. That's what I did to it, just used it stock and then upgraded the parts and got some cool art for it later on. After upgrading over the few years I've had it my only remaining issue is that the case isn't quite as wide as I might like. If you do end up keeping it and want to get some higher quality parts or get art/plexi etching done focus-attack's website is a great place to do that. EDIT: I guess I should mention that the universal-ness of the PCB is pretty nice, I basically just use it for PC but if you play on multiple consoles that might be an important factor for you since not all sticks come with universal PCBs by default.

@@TheElectricUnderground not op but I do have a picture of the internals from when I installed a new plexi and art and had to take the joystick out. It's not as super convenient as some of the pricier ones but I didn't think it was that hard to work with, but then again maybe I just don't know what I'm missing out on with other brands. Only other stick experience I have is I built a custom one for my lil bro using an allFightSticks enclosure that was pretty fun. tycorbinian(.)xyz/2DjdUfZB(.) jpg

I have a standard f500 and, unlike the f300, it is a BREEZE to mod. My Seimitsu stick connected via the little 5 or 6 pin micro-ribbon connector, did not require a mounting plate adaptor at all and works flawlessly. The f300 was not mod-friendly, but the f500s ARE. My girlfriend has a more expensive Qanba Crystal (I know: she liked the pretty lights), and not only does the stick make a horrendous squeaking noise from the dust cover, but it has trouble connecting to even a PC without throwing tons of errors in Mame, Retroarch and anything other than a game that specifically supports it. The Mayflash, however, is supported on virtually every platform known to God and man - and flawlessly - heck, it even has a headphone jack which the Qanba does not. We bought my GF's brother an f500 elite for Christmas and he loves it. You have a great stick. The only thing that would make it easier to mod would be if the guts were accessible via a quick flip switch - as it is, you have to take some screws out: like the majority of sticks.

Oh dang :-( hope they drop again soon

I accidentally have never tried one, but I want to someday!! I do really Iike that it supports full collar sticks

@The Electric Underground by the way, do u know how to stretch the PS4 Ketsui tate mode wider?....for me it is never wide enough to fit my screen..seems to b locked.....mayb I'm missing something in the settings, but I did check translations....by the way again....I wonder why M2 didn't upgrade the graphics....OMG Futari on xbox 360 looks amazing....

I actually was not aware of the SE variation! But yes the main point is to buy the older sticks as a solid foundation at a low price and then start swapping in custom parts :-D The next video will be about swapping in levers and talking about levers. :-)

@@TheElectricUnderground Ah, okay. Yeah, the VX-SE is a rare one, as far as I know. But some people (myself included) aren't very motivated or confident in their abilities to swap out custom parts by themselves, so specific variants like the EX-SE or VX-SE can be very attractive. Was a good video, btw. Informative and you nailed the basics. Looking forward to the next one! :)

the brooks universal board :-)

Brooks board has extremely low lag, that would be my recommendation :-)

@@TheElectricUnderground cool so should I get one with ez mod ? Or it's easy to install without ez mod kit ? I have ps3 fightstick pro... bundle cost is 115 dollar plus shipping.... is there any way to save some money? What should I do ?

@@TheElectricUnderground How does the Hori VX-SA compare to the Brooks UFB pcb?

The hori stick, it has the fastest response time :-)

@@TheElectricUnderground the real arcade pro or the sf2 version?

@@TheElectricUnderground there are 4 hori sticks i'm looking for switch. The Ryu or chun li edition (red and blue), the first simple red one and the Street fighter 2 stick. Wich should i take, any internal differences or response time?

That s a shame, hopefully a firmware update will fix it

@@TheElectricUnderground There's going to be an add-on for the UFB for PS5 compatibility.

I d say get an older hori stick like in the guide and then install the brooks universal board in it. Or you could try the new hori alpha for $200, that will work on the series x out of the box :-)

@@TheElectricUnderground usd200 is kinda steep considering that i live in New Zealand (at the bottom of the world)....can you recommend affordable yet durable brands that are built with quality materials (Sanwa/Hayabusa parts)? thanks my friend. kisses, xx

I have good news for you, I am going to cover that very topic in the video series :-D working with wires is super easy once you know what to do and I 'll show you all my solderless techniques :-)

@@TheElectricUnderground alright mr hard to get lol I'll play your game. The thing is I have never used any arcade stick to play a shmup besides the few times I have actually played one at the arcade so I have no idea what all of these different types even feel like. But I'm down to listen and learn ! Thanks again Mark!

@@TheElectricUnderground Hell yes! I have had similar thoughts as Jak3, lol, but I am sure you are going to make this easy for us. I already swapped my Hori stick and buttons for a Seimitsu stick and Sanwa buttons, major upgrade imo, and it wasn't bad at all, but I want to replace the board at some point and get some retro compatibility going as well. Please teach us how to drill 24mm holes, etc.!

@@jqr8049 Dude I'm scared to drill anything but I hear you lol

It s progear :-) I 'll add it to video description, I forgot ha

Progear by Cave

Ooh thanks a lot guys! Love the design, always on the lookout for shmups featuring warbirds of sorts. Also for me it's rare to see a horizontal scroller from Cave. What a keeper.

he use hayabusa lever? I want to know because for swap, sanwa or seimitsu

Square,though I play on a rounded square gate :-)

@@TheElectricUnderground just dug up a seimitsu lever I had in my closet. Going to install it and try it for shmups. Though I def prefer the sanwa for fighters

Yep I'm a shmup dad, though a young one :-)

Here you go! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/la53ibqE256lYJ8.html

@@TheElectricUnderground Legend! NEED to make some Referal links or a Blog with shmup accesory Reviews , youre making free ads man. Blessings have a great Weekend

What system are you looking for?

@@TheElectricUnderground Nintendo Switch, PC

hey trade me M:TG , O.G. , beta Black borders for a spare "entire 'cade stick"? .... :-)

oh wait OIC what you are sayin' !!!!!! ... .. Nononono I don't even HAVE a new console in fact I just assembled a new PC myself custom. Do you have a "JUST" USB stick you don't care for, man?

IF YOU SAY the "HORi" stix have COMMON parts though? And WHO do we play with who is it it's Japan! Yes! Hahahahaha. So? ..... Yes I would say I want the JAP connectors on the PCB. Solder-less and ready for competition - - - YES , Please.

OK Hori "Rap 4" or 3? ..... HHHHMMMMM

Yes!

Yeah remember when a bunch of them died at evo a few years back during street fighter?

Razer products in general have always been hot garbage.