2010 WWE vs 2010 TNA is the ultimate virtual embodiment of the infamous Germaine De Staël quote: "One must choose in life between boredom and suffering"

In 2010: WWE and TNA are at War In 2024: WWE and TNA are collaborating

I was in Orlando at the Impact Zone the night Hogan gave his ring to Abyss. What wasn't shown was the crowd's mouth dropping and people going "No don't do it!" and crossing their arms, and then laughing at what was happening.

I remember it went very clearly like this: DUE TO FAN DEMAND, WE'RE MOVING TO MONDAYS!!! (crowd goes wild) Then, not long after ... DUE TO FAN DEMAND, WE'RE MOVING BACK TO THURSDAYS!!! (crowd goes wild).

What makes this hopeless defeat from TNA even more embarrassing is this was during the Goddamn Guest Host era of Raw, which everyone hated

3:01 A dark orange cloud…that’s definitely one way to describe Hogan 😂🤣

That Hogan jump scare worked for me, brother!

If Wrestling Bios ever did a "Reliving the War" series for TNA vs. WWE in 2010, it'd just be short and be so one-sided it hurts.

You don't have to worry Brian, AEW will never be on Mondays as Tony is LEGALLY prevented from doing so. Owning the Jags means he is forbidden from hosting a show against Monday Night Football

All wrestlers on that Volcano Raw deserve credit for putting on a show as good as they did on such short notice

The TNA war was never going to work because of 3 things. 1) Hogan and Bischoff's hearts weren't into the war like there when WCW was around. 2) While TNA put impact on Mondays, they still aired replays on Thursdays, essentially splitting their own audience. 3) They weren't live every week. They did a live show followed by a taped show.

The worst thing about this was Jarrett later revealing that the biggest lesson learned was "people have DVR now". This is why out of touch carnies shouldn't decide network policy.

My hypothesis from your graph is that if TNA stayed on Mondays, then they would have eventually dragged WWE down to their numbers as wrestling fans checked both channels, thought "This is wrestling now?", and tuned out altogether.

The even worse thing about the Orlando Jordan gimmick debut was allegedly that pushed Kanyon over the edge because he also pitched that gimmick to WWE.

The one thing I distinctly remember from that first TNA Monday show is that I was watching RAW on TV and Impact on my computer; and the very second Impact went to break, Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels hugged in the ring on RAW. That was the moment I *knew* this was gonna be a disaster.

WWE guest host era…those were some dark times

Brian touched on a very interesting point. I have ZERO interest in AEW, but I am EXTREMELY happy about its existence because it made WWE step it up

It was the great WWE vs. TNA war in 2010 where I discovered and later added "What're they doing here in the Impact Zone?!" to my list of insults, lol, for better or worse. XD

I could hear James Darnell angrily yelling when you brought up Bubba The Love Sponge and The Nasty Boys

That Hogan “yes” legitimately got a pop from me

I was an avid viewer of TNA before Hogan and Bischoff. The Knockouts were some of the highest rated segments. They were far superior to the Divas and really integral to TNA's success at that time (along with Samoa Joe, AJ, and all the homegrown talent). It's really great to see women's wrestling get the deserved respect these past few years!

Their downfall was the same as WCW...Hogan, Bischoff and Russo. The fact that Dixie Carter thought bringing them in was really going to help 🤣🥴🤡🤦‍♀️

And now we're living in a time where both TNA and WWE are seemly working together. I'm really hoping we get a PPV of WWE x TNA

One of my favourite Wrestlecrap articles is the one RD Reynolds did on the 2010 Monday Night War. You just did an equally exceptional video covering that dark period, which is now probably one of my favourite videos of yours. Congratulations!

It makes me happy seeing more and more people talking about just how boring and awful early 2010s WWE was and not just how TNA was around that same time

Take the unholy trinity of wrestling Hulk "That doesn't work for me, brother" Hogan, "Easy E" Eric Bishoff, and "Mr. Gimmick" Vice Russo and leave them unsupervised to play with a wrestling company. Welcome to the Monday Night "War"

The Dudebusters got left in Europe an extra week because there wasn’t enough room on the plane 😂

To be honest, the only thing that I think was really good in the Hogan Era in TNA was Joker Sting. Seriously, look back at Joker Sting moments in TNA, they're actually good.

Ryan Phillippe also appeared on a Smackdown in 2016 and helped Mojo Rawley beat Curt Hawkins

I vividly remember the Impact that opened with a guitar performance in the ring by Eric Bischoff. Mind you, Easy E's musicianship wasn't bad, I'll give him credit for that but why? It had nothing whatsoever to do with any angle that was happening in TNA at the time, it was just Bischoff doing a recital because reasons. What was the point? How was that supposed to pop a rating?

LA Knight's (Eli Drake's) with the "Shoes of a Champion." for the next opening jump scare. "HAHAHAHAHA YEEAAAAH!!!"

There was a nearly blow by blow series about this years ago on KZfaq by Markyd123… That and this video made me genuinely sad ^^ I loved TNA in the 00s and it was just rotting on the inside here…

We now have TNA & WWE forming a working relationship, and that's probably because the head of the ship changed. If it had changed when the two companies were at war, maybe WWE's ratings wouldn't have taken the hit they did, and the 2010s could've been a much better decade for the company.

I think your assessment of TNA fans not wanting to tune in because Hogan/Bischoff represented everything TNA wasn't hit the nail on the head. I used to go to TNA shows at Universal Studios all the time and watched them become a really decent alternative to WWE. Watching that first Monday show was disheartening. It showcased very little of TNA's strengths and only showcased "name recognition" talent, the majority of which were names that no one watching TNA even wanted to see. I doubt any TNA wrestling fan was thinking of dream matches when guys like Val Venis and the Nasty Boys showed up.

As a TNA megafan back then, there was no way I was missing Bret's return on the other channel. Vince played that ace up his sleeve very, very nicely. Loved TNA up to this point, and was so rewarding watching it grow each year... Until Hogan and Bischoff turned up and completely changed the vibe. Seeing the Nasty Boys going over in 2009 was fuckin cringe. Especially in a company built on the backs of young talent like Styles, Daniels, Kaz, Joe, MCMG and the like. The writing was on the wall. The TNA I knew and loved, was gone 😢

It's really cool to see that this year WWE and TNA are working together in this new era

You should have said as a side note MacGruber had a quick cameo appearances from Chris Jericho, Mark Henry, MVP, Kane, The Great Khali and The Big Show

I watched WWF and I didn't flip channels, I was just continuing what I did as a kid when I watched it every Saturday morning on the USA network, I didn't have to go to the school house so I watched WCW on its rerun at 11 on TNT, and that was just a Monday tradition from watching Monday night football, I can still hear Hank Williams asking if I'm ready for some football

I want to see some post apocalyptic fiction where the last human survivors take a day off from scavenging the wasteland to go see a TNA event, because that company ain’t ever dying

I was in the Georgia Dome for the Finger Poke on Jan. 4, 1999. Wild night.

If hogan sold more grills it might have worked out 😂

I remember being 9 and being such a little wrestling nerd and was so excited for my Monday Night War.

The fact that the last Guess Host of that dreaded era was in after Wrestlemania 32 is pretty much WWE highlighting the worst of the PG era, before they were heading to the New Era. 2009-2016 was definitley a hard time as a WWE fan.

I remember when TNA went on tour in 2013 some the wrestlers said they’d go to local gyms and people wouldn’t even know they were in town because the company wouldn’t advertise 😂

DAMN THAT INTRO BROTHER!😂

It is amazing how sting outlasted two bischoff/Russo/Hogan ran companies just to go to aew, at least he "retired" before Tony inevitably brings the magical trio in haha

The video opening was one of your best ever. Editing perfection

Picking Bubba the love sponge over a talent like Awesome Kong is the most TNA move possible

TNA was in a war that WWE just ignored.

Jeff Hardy wasn't imitating a cat, he was simply singing the chorus to "Creatures of the Night" by KISS... aaaand he was wearing makeup. If only his eyes glowed... Like Naomi

I'm just thinking, imagine being Jeff Jarrett and seeing the same people who ran WCW into the ground also arrive in TNA, If I'm Jarrett, I'd be having war flashbacks seeing Hogan showing up with his cronies. (OK, at least Waltman could go in the ring and Nash is charismatic as hell, so they'd be decent to keep around)

Maybe it was the WCW/TBS mark in me, but I wanted to see Abyss combine 5 rings to form Captain Wrestling.

the (march-may of 2010) in the thumbnail killed me

If there was one thing to learn about Hogan in WcW and TNA, is that Hulk Hogan killed WcW and TNA. WWE could never be able to compete at this rate, since WWE was already a PG power house at this point, in comparason to the other companies. No other competetion would wage war of something casual in favor of the hardcore audience. Is like how Nintendo was marking towards casuals in 2006-2016 with the Wii era. Ultimately it hurted WWE and Nintendo at the end because it was too much of a good thing.

“A dark orange cloud” 🤪

Watch out for MarkyD! He might hit you with a cab driver slam for invading on his turf!

I can remember watching both of these episodes at the same time in a bar. It's crazy how long ago it was. It feels like it was just yesterday

Remember being so bored when both were having their promo segments at the same time lol USA was channel 51/Spike was 52 it was otherwise perfect

14:35 - Nothing made me change TNA on Monday nights more than seeing The Nasty Boys in ANYTHING.

The main things i remember are val venis playing poker with the beautiful people and Angle and Styles not having an appreciation for the live tv time left. They went into the go home sequence early so they ended up finisher scamming to fill time. Also I remembered the bret HBK thing being way more entertaining

"And I would do my best to try and watch both (WWE and WCW) practically at the same time." man...imagine if we had today's technology back during the Monday night wars of the 90s. You could be watching WWE on TV and WCW on your tablet/smartphone

Dude, during the Monday Night War, all of my friends were WCW fans, I had to take getting laughed at for almost 2 straight years while I was telling them that WWF would eventually win. All of the derision was based on the ratings. No differnt today from then.

Might be a hot take But I thought Hogan being the mentor figure for Abyss was pretty cool I particularly like the segment where Hogan gets Abyss to shake off the willys by pumping the monster up with comparisons to Superman and Popeye

That Larry king interview tells me hogan was not interested in boosting TNA. he just wanted a ton of money to be in wrestling again

Ahhhh, the SuperCena hostage situation is finally over!

Not only is ratings conversions annoying but at this point, it not really a strong indicator of anything.

And now 10+ years later they’re working together. Ah wrestling!

26:12 You missed the perfect opportunity to play a Whose Line Is It Anyway clip of Wayne Brady saying "Not A Damn Thing" since Wayne Brady was on that episode of RAW. If anyone wants to know what I mean, here's the clip: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bsiVncmWqaiyYnU.htmlsi=S7Tok4WLfp3QpxXD

Damn. I was waiting for that MarkyD cameo 😢

"Damn, I'm poetic!" Great line! You had me rolling! Great video as always!

“Damn I’m poetic” lmaooo I was gunna say you killed that segment Brian well said 👏👏

WWF vs WCW - The Monday Night Wars WWE vs TNA - The Monday Night Pillow Fight

Wayne Brady actually sold that RKO pretty good

Yoooo those signs at 2:40 are savage AF!!!! Hahaha

“LUL. LMAO, even. How the Hell did this happen??” That, & animated Zane is always a guaranteed laugh everytime.

Once Hogan and friends hijacked TNA, watching it gave me second hand embarassment. It was like the momentum died and we're witnessing the beginning of the end. Even just the presentation had bingo hall vibes.

Damn, why'd you change the channel on Jermaine like that?

I wonder if it had ever crossed TNA's mind to put their show in the timeslot before RAW, that way you could still compete but not split the audience, and maybe ride the coattails of WWE to see where the ratings were, then if the ratings ever got comparable and they still felt compelled to do so, declare the war in the same timeslot. I mean I still think of Monday as "wrestling night" and I'd watch it on any time slot really. The thinking here by TNA in how this played out may have been that they believed there was a large pool of wrestling fans that weren't tuning into WWE, because after WCW folded, WWE didn't necessarily inherit the WCW audience into its viewership. Maybe that's who TNA thought they were going to pull back in but it obviously didn't materialize. Did they think that the WCW fans were gonna be as cult-like loyal as the ECW fans? I do remember watching TNA during this time (and being a fan) but I knew they weren't even in the same league as WWE and that their "war" was doomed to fail. Realistically TNA's only comparable league of competition at this time was Ring of Honor.

What a jumpscare at the start of this one. The ghost of Hulka-May-Nia is after you Z-Man.

I liked the og Monday Night War because if you recall, WCW Nitro replayed right after the live broadcast went off the air. I kind of think that was a factor in the death of WCW because fans knew they could watch Raw at 8pm and then flip it to the replay of Nitro at 10pm EDIT: I’m sure that the Abyss ring collector story was originally going to end with Abyss collecting all the Hall of Fame rings to become Parallax, which would set up a match between he and a debuting Hurricane Shane Helms

To think, 2 of the biggest botches in American wrestling happened on my birthday January 4th.

The moment I tuned inti impact and I saw their got six side ring is gone! I was pissed.

I will never get tired of that shot of Bret with the rainbow BRET SCREWED BRET sign over his shoulder.

I watched tna for a little bit when this was going on, some gems came from this

I will forever be subscribed if you keep that Hogan clip in your intro (I’ll stay subscribed anyways)

How fitting years ago they were at ‘war’ together then as today TNA and NXT hinting the possibility of a relationship which is becoming more likely then it sounds. This is a strange time in wrestling. Hopefully it would be better than TNA’s last elite working relationship.

The "yes" on the intro was unexpected. The "bro" was uncanny. Top work as always Brian, Much love HH x

The best thing to come out of this "War" were Spoony's Wrestle Wrestle TNA Impact's review videos during that period 🤣

Hi returning wrestling fan that stop watching for 7 years. I remember watching your videos along time ago and I’m happy to see that your still here and growing boss.

This video is how I find out Daffney died in 2021 😢

Been waiting for this video! Excited for this one

excellent, excellent work as always, BZ. where can i find the full episodes of Hulk era TNA?

I was an avid TNA fan back then and was so stoked during the whole time Mick was running around the country looking for Hulk. I legit thought bringing Hulk in was good news. My dad even met Hogan as a book signing that year and Hogan whispered us the date. “January 4th, Brother!”. But I always knew they couldn’t go against wwe. The minute they tried it felt like they lost the entire soul of the company and it’s never come back.

Eric Bischoff booking himself to open a live head to head show with him pretending to play acoustic guitar is why his criticisms of AEW product are not to be taken seriously.

Larry King did later guest star on Raw

I watched your Hulk Hogan in TNA video this afternoon, came back to KZfaq this evening, and saw this here.

Brian should do a kurt angle tna run retrospective 😊

Val Venis that old needlemover 😂

Shoutout MarkyD for being the first to cover this topic still a dope video.

Alternate take on Orlando Jordan's terrible bi gimmick:- OJ: can I come out on TV? WWE: absolutely not OJ: in that case, I quit OJ: (in TNA) can I come out on TV? TNA: hmmmm. Okay, but it has to be on our terms. OJ: deal! (Wait, have I just painted myself into a corner...?)