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Why Muslim Refugees Are Finding Jesus
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8 жыл бұрынMuslim refugees in Europe are converting to Christianity. But governments are concerned that some are doing it just to get asylum. Cenk Uygur, Ana Kasparian, and Ben Mankiewicz, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down. Tell us what you think in the comment section below.
“Hundreds of Pakistanis and Afghans have been lining up at a local swimming pool in Hamburg, Germany, to be baptized as Christians. In the Netherlands and Denmark, as well, many are converting from Islam to Christianity, and the trend appears to be growing. Indeed, converts are filling up some European churches largely forsaken by their old Christian flocks.
All of which raises a question, not least, for the United States: If American presidential candidate Donald Trump gets elected and bars Muslims from entering the country, as he says he will, would the ban apply to Christians who used to be Muslims? How would one judge the quality of their faith?
For the moment, that quandary is a ways off for U.S. Homeland Security, but in Europe even now the phenomenon is fraught with echoes of the past, problems in the present, and omens for the future. Forced conversions of Muslims and Jews during the Spanish Inquisition were a dark page in Europe’s history. More than a little suspicion surrounds some of the current conversions, seen by some to be cynical bids to improve the chance of getting asylum. And, looking forward, it’s potentially quite dangerous for those who embrace the Gospel to return to homelands where abandoning Islam for another faith can be treated as a capital crime.”
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@coosoorlog 8 жыл бұрын
blip blop blep... MUSLIM IN VIDEO TITLE DETECTED... blip blop... DOWNVOTING...
@phillycheesetake 8 жыл бұрын
Hillary Can't Win On The Issues Bernie Sanders is about to be knocked out of the race. Hillary has already beaten him, it's just a matter of time.
@testamented 8 жыл бұрын
Did you encounter critical error? You seem more like the " blip blop ... UPVOTING" type. Try restarting.
@cavvy1499 8 жыл бұрын
xchicglowgoxo I enjoy watching their videos, its a form of cringe art
@coosoorlog 8 жыл бұрын
I love it when I hit.
@testamented 8 жыл бұрын
Coos Oorlog You love it when you hit what? Your keyboard with your head? Try not ot hurt yourself.
@malcolmt7883 8 жыл бұрын
So, if Mr Refugee has to go back home '... where you may get murdered for converting.' Doesn't that say something about Islam? I for one, am happy when a Muslim converts to Any other religion, I don't even care what it is.
@lanre8311 8 жыл бұрын
Loooool 'converted' look up taqiyya bro
@annatar6453 8 жыл бұрын
Cenk, when you used to be Muslim, were you Sunni or Shiite?
@NoobsKicker 8 жыл бұрын
sunni
@CornofHusk 8 жыл бұрын
Yah it was probably Sunni, he's Turkish and they are like a 95% Sunni population
@vladthemanpire5894 8 жыл бұрын
You have some serious disstrust issues.
@SpiceBoy7UK23 8 жыл бұрын
His parents are Sunni.
@eternaldragonoid9979 8 жыл бұрын
+SpiceBoy7UK23 his dad is an athiest
@malakaijub 8 жыл бұрын
ana we didnt come for your anti religion rhetoric
@Zenhumanist 8 жыл бұрын
Well I did.
@sbcistheboss 8 жыл бұрын
+malakaijub Did she hurt your religion feelz?
@shway1 8 жыл бұрын
Yes we did. Most people watching tyt are anti religion.
@danielguerrero8582 8 жыл бұрын
I did too
@noiedward8847 8 жыл бұрын
+Patternicity why be anti anything. religion isn't bad lol are bad.guns aren't bad people are bad. be anti stupid . stop moaning about people and worry about the policies they pass.
@essenceofnothingness 8 жыл бұрын
taqiyya 1. Islamic doctrine of deception. 2. Lying in Islam that is permitted under certain circumstances. Gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
@queenofcats2645 8 жыл бұрын
And selling and buying slaves are permitted under Christianity
@NoobsKicker 8 жыл бұрын
+One kick Men ahahaha
@rolandixor 8 жыл бұрын
Not offering support to the OP (a racist troll), but that's actually not true.
@queenofcats2645 8 жыл бұрын
+TURKEY IS A FAKE NATION AND CENK UIYGUR IS AN ACTOR I mean if you had pay attention in you history class you would know that the Quran is based on the bible
@queenofcats2645 8 жыл бұрын
+One kick Men your* history class (sorry)
@prettyprudent5779 8 жыл бұрын
So.... Let's me get this right. They're converting from nonsense to another type of nonsense?
@321backlip 8 жыл бұрын
it's like converting from trump to clinton.
@Zincoshine- 8 жыл бұрын
its a good transition to be honest.
@DavidHoberg 8 жыл бұрын
To be fair, they convert from the most benefitial religion in their former country to the most benefitial religion in their current country. Their actual religion is opportunism. I can respect that.
@prettyprudent5779 8 жыл бұрын
@David Hoberg: You said it best.
@cnn8420 8 жыл бұрын
blah blah blah
@DadiocolemanOfficial 8 жыл бұрын
Do they say "Iran from Islam and became a Christian." Sorry... On the other hand, I had a Muslim friend named Christian.
@DadiocolemanOfficial 8 жыл бұрын
+StuckDucks He'd been in foster care since he was 2.
@DadiocolemanOfficial 8 жыл бұрын
+nature giver It was a pun.
@oO_ox_O 8 жыл бұрын
> _People convert for many reasons._ I would argue economic reasons was one of the most major forces.
@DadiocolemanOfficial 8 жыл бұрын
+o_O It was a pun. That's why I said "Iran" instead of "I ran."
@sogghartha 8 жыл бұрын
I really doubt any muslim would name their son Christian. Traditionally even converts to islam take on a new muslim name, someone born into it would certainly have a muslim name.
@MaggaraMarine 8 жыл бұрын
What's up with the dislikes? They didn't promote Islam or anything, and they didn't really say anything controversial either. I have seen some biased videos with clickbait titles from these guys (where I do understand the dislikes), but this was not one of them. Or are the dislikes because they mentioned Muslims?
@MaggaraMarine 8 жыл бұрын
***** "There's a mob-mentality on youtube that you can't talk about those things unless you're saying they don't exist (rape/race) or that you hate them (muslims/feminism)." And people are wondering why certain atheist channels don't post many videos about Islam... Well, maybe that's the reason - it will just create a shitstorm. First people complain about the channels not posting videos about Islam and when they post videos about Islam, they complain about those videos. Yeah, Islam (especially) is a topic that you can't really have a rational conversation about on the internet. People will either call you "Islamophobic" or a "regressive".
@MaggaraMarine 8 жыл бұрын
aferreb1 AIU to my understanding is not that respected in the atheist community (well, not saying that that is a reason to hate him). I have seen some of his videos and comments and to me he seems kind of biased. Now, I'm not saying TYT is not biased because sometimes they are and they also use annoying clickbait titles. But this exact video was pretty neutral and it didn't even have a clickbait title. So maybe people are just hating it because it's TYT and because they mention Muslims in the title.
@MaggaraMarine 8 жыл бұрын
Bobhams Even if that applies to TYT in general, I don't see it applying to this particular video. Are the reasons you gave a reason to dislike every single TYT video without watching it first?
@rodneyricket9746 8 жыл бұрын
Notice TYT has no facts and pushes Islamic immigration. This is the don't worry they are converting to Christianity, let them in video. Don't worry about the 1400% rise in rapes and crushing effects of a family of 10 taking welfare.
@ExploreGamesAndMore 8 жыл бұрын
+aferreb1 Oh, you're interested in evidence are you? Well, this should be easy, see /watch?v=5tnXsDB7NCc&list=FLQj6GBDbFPAA0ivV5nmidXw&index=8 Summary: It's a video about a Jewish attack on a gay pride parade. During the video they make the point that Israel is the most progressive country towards gays in that region despite the recent event. They go on to talk about Islamic extremism when it wasn't strictly necessary or the topic of the video. Jimmy mentions that he said on twitter that "All religion could be considered a mental illness", and the response he got was "Wouldn't it be great if you said that about Islam". They then joke about what the word "All" means, and about how some idiotic people have it in their heads that they are defending Islam. They end the video by saying that all religion is a problem, and shouted in unison "INCLUDING ISLAM". If that isn't enough for you, nothing is.
@SonofAGunFrom410 8 жыл бұрын
Who cares? Let then believe what they want; as long as they don't hurt anyone with their beliefs they're irrelevant to us. P.S- Iranians and Pakistanis AREN'T refugees. Stop calling the non-Syrians refugees.
@jarifauti4586 8 жыл бұрын
you should read about what is a refugee. having a war in your homeland isn't the only reason to become an refugee.
@CommanderJoir 8 жыл бұрын
As a Swede I can say they are mostly wrong, yes there are some who came from Syria but the majority are not, and are not fleeing from IS, and they are here to have a better life, but when they don't get their asylum (or what ever it is called/spelled in English) fast enough or they see how bad condition the country is in, they go back or elsewhere. those who do not want to be a part of Islam they are the one who convert to Christianity or call them selves atheist and drop the "Muslim label". but those who still following Islam tend to riot, throw rocks at police firefighter and ambulance crew. they tend to skip school, participate in gang rapes and so on. This is mainly because Islam isn't like other religion, its an ideology, and politics are not separated from religion. Islam haven't made any changes to fit into the modern society, and are probably the only religion who encourage to lie to non Muslim (non believers of Islam). but to point this out is bad according media and in many peoples eyes and we are often label together with true racist and Nazi persons and groups so it takes often some digging to truly see who is and who isn't. Citizens of European countries tend to be like women in forced marriages with an abusing husband, and when they tell their parents about it, they being told to bring shame to their name and what ever you say, it is a lie.
@CommanderJoir 8 жыл бұрын
some are probably discriminated but today we got an "invasion" of Muslim immigrants (often illegal) who not necessary are "black" who end up chasing the equivalent to "the American dream", or have other motive, but finding out the country (Sweden in this case, but cant see it wont be much different in many other EU countries) aren't that great as promised/hoped. I didn't took it as you being rude
@asimkant4700 8 жыл бұрын
Commander Joir sir would you prefer a happy country or numbers country if so see example of Canada . See it's numbers and country known for their hospitality
@asimkant4700 8 жыл бұрын
How is it possible that Europeans are in an abusive relationship with Muslim nations are you an expert or has BBC done a report highlighting this issue because I only trust BBC as a news org now and no other media conglomerate
@asimkant4700 8 жыл бұрын
Religion doesn't teach you construction of barriers in its core. Their wrong interpretations does it be it Christians or Muslims they have common background and both preach humanity. As Gandhi said "an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind".
@CommanderJoir 8 жыл бұрын
bittercottoncandy can't disagree you, it at least feels like Sweden is the craziest country when it comes to migration politics especially when we got estimated 1 million immigrants and 9,5 million in population on top of some housing crisis
@radhwangothic 8 жыл бұрын
Bullshit, As a Muslim who immigrated to United States two years ago. Me and my family are now agnostic. Christianity is just like Islam. same shit, different book.
@joshg7465 8 жыл бұрын
My nigga. Love you bro
@JamesExcell-InterJex 8 жыл бұрын
Islam did come from Christian Heretics.
@radhwangothic 8 жыл бұрын
Lone Wolf Google "Spanish Inquisition" and read about it. You will see that history repeats itself. Christianity has been modified over decades. While Islam is still new, this is why it looks so savage.
@radhwangothic 8 жыл бұрын
James Excell All religions came from a greek and mesoptomian origin. This is why there are some huge similarities.
@Andersljungberg 8 жыл бұрын
Have you read the New Testament
@jamesryan8738 8 жыл бұрын
Oh yay....... more christians.......
@erenluin8122 8 жыл бұрын
Creepy
@elijahproffit2104 8 жыл бұрын
Implying more Christians is a bad thing
@Lacosanostra699 8 жыл бұрын
more any religious believers IS a BAD thing.
@katsam4457 8 жыл бұрын
Non-religious>Christians>Muslims
@TriaMaxwell 8 жыл бұрын
Inquisition. Yes, INHERENTLY BAD. But that's what you get when you have a bad work of fiction and imaginary friend, conversion like this doesn't change what you actually believe.
@browsertab 8 жыл бұрын
Keep talking about Islam. It will just add another feet to Trump's wall.
@prometheushippopotimi3076 8 жыл бұрын
how fuckin tall is trumps wall?
@fhydan 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah build the goddamn wall to keep the islams in Mexico
@titans4497 8 жыл бұрын
foot*
@lucaharmat9869 8 жыл бұрын
*foot
@SHUTTERSHOT45 8 жыл бұрын
Juedo Christianity gave us western culutre, the greatest culture this world has ever seen... Islamic culture gave us every hell whole that exist in the middel east
@M0RN1N6_5T4R 6 жыл бұрын
That's a lie.
@danfield6030 6 жыл бұрын
Christianity gave us the Dark Ages. We lost the ancient Greek knowledge after Rome's destruction. We were re-introduced to this ancient knowledge through contact with the Islamic empire of the day. The Enlightenment resulted from this. The lsamic empire preserved knowledge and edmired it. The Christians burnt their books.
@huzaifahshaikh1535 5 жыл бұрын
western cultures does not follow anything from judeo/Christian tradition or any of its laws...
@blackout5668 8 жыл бұрын
JA JA, MACH SCHNELL!! Cenk please talk more german lmao.
@Gyroglle 8 жыл бұрын
that line was so german
@blackout5668 8 жыл бұрын
TURKEY IS A FAKE NATION AND CENK UIYGUR IS AN ACTOR what the f? desert? fake refugee?
@isaaczaiek487 8 жыл бұрын
mach schon
@blackout5668 8 жыл бұрын
mach schnell = make fast = hurry mach schon = make already = just do it
@MrHodoAstartes 8 жыл бұрын
Well, that phrase is actually not very common in daily usage. The only reason this is a thing is due to American stereotyping. And just translating it as "hurry" leads to hilarious misuse of the phrase because it actually asks someone to end whatever they are doing quickly, implying that you want them to do something else. Like if you want to drive somewhere but your kid has to pee, so you tell them to make it quick. In stark contrast I have often seen it used as as equivalent of "hurry up" in the sense of "run faster", which is blatantly wrong to the point where it is a shorthand for American nazi stereotypes in movies.
@trajan74 8 жыл бұрын
Is it a coincidence that the length of this video is 9:11?
@williammcentee2068 8 жыл бұрын
this is a video about muslims and its 9 minutes and 11 seconds how ironic
@javedahmed1258 8 жыл бұрын
organised by americans. finish the sentence
@sophiedash4026 8 жыл бұрын
mine shows 9:12.
@The1Uncorrupted 8 жыл бұрын
Lol same
@ShenasRI 8 жыл бұрын
LOL, mine says 911 to, it must be Google and Groundwork. :D
@bkf778 8 жыл бұрын
This is sad. The people are so desperate, they willing to do anything. We should help people because they are people, not because of their faith or lack there of.
@Otuhh 8 жыл бұрын
aren't all the men running away and the women staying and fighting?
@jayl549 8 жыл бұрын
seriously?! don't you remember the photo of that child who drowned and washed up on the shore?! a boat full of women and children?! stop believing shit you read or hear on the internet.
@Otuhh 8 жыл бұрын
+Jason T calm down dude I was just asking a question.
@jayl549 8 жыл бұрын
Otakbyrd it frustrates me because the information is there. But instead you post a ignorant question, without even thinking it through. How does it make sense? Honestly, where did you hear this?
@Otuhh 8 жыл бұрын
+Jason T so asking a question about something I've seen on multiple websites and trying to understand it is ignorant?
@Otuhh 8 жыл бұрын
+gavin belbin I guess.
@ReVo_ 8 жыл бұрын
Why the dislikes?
@JesusSunbeamHD 8 жыл бұрын
+Lord Gainz a and all trump videos, the 4chan neckbeards are lurking here 24/7
@christinam6663 8 жыл бұрын
There is, unfortunately, a rather significant portion of the TYT KZfaq audience that is notoriously incompetent at listening and understanding the topic and discussion in such videos,
@tfs1598 8 жыл бұрын
The hillbilly's and Trump supporter
@CHAOS80120 8 жыл бұрын
A lot people don't bother watching the videos and dislike based on the title of video. As it triggers their preconceived notions.
@mr5jr 8 жыл бұрын
Lol
@mhmeekk3003 8 жыл бұрын
Answer: Because Christianity is true. It couldn't be any clearer, LOL.
@seanarmstrong1156 8 жыл бұрын
which version? The version that includes literal talking snake, talking donkey, and talking bush on fire?
@queenofcats2645 8 жыл бұрын
+jsp 2081 you mean the cherry picked one
@seanarmstrong1156 8 жыл бұрын
jsp 2081 ok, but 40% of Americans support the first one...so maybe help us fix this problem?
@queenofcats2645 8 жыл бұрын
+jsp 2081 I like how you say "scientifically inaccurate"
@grumpyturtle9682 8 жыл бұрын
Which branch of Christianity though? Catholicism? Protestantism? Greek Orthodox perhaps? Or maybe even the Coptic Church? Despite being branches of Christianity, most of these examples have denounced the others as being "Non-Christian" and some have warred against each other.
@xFlared 8 жыл бұрын
One does not simply discuss religion on youtube and get away with it unscathed.
@paper8nintendo 8 жыл бұрын
"It's a trap!"
@randyrandalman8234 8 жыл бұрын
i have no qualms about offending religion at every opportunity - someone's gotta callout their bullshit
@maximelaneville854 8 жыл бұрын
It's easy to tell that Cenk is biased about The Crusades. He singles out the Christian Crusade when he talks about the forced Christian conversion of the Persians, as though Islam was their original religion. Islam had conquered the entire Middle East by that time, Christians just took some of it back as a defensive measure.
@gavinmcinnes9283 8 жыл бұрын
+Maxime Laneville Agreed, its easy to see Cenk is biased about many things.
@michaelvanderwal7390 8 жыл бұрын
It's amazing to me how they can take any story about religion, and then use it to demonize Christians. I didn't think I'd ever write this, but cheers to Ben for being a reasonable person for a change.
@NitrousXProductions 8 жыл бұрын
Immigration in the UK has no restrictions based on your faith to gain access to a visa. Every EU state has their own guidelines though but this is new to me though
@Rabolisk 8 жыл бұрын
this isnt immigration. its asylum. you have a bigger chance of getting accepted if you prove your life is in danger
@montanus777 8 жыл бұрын
on the one hand you're right. e.g. in germany there are no limitations regarding to your faith. *but* on the other hand it's easier to proove that your life is in danger in your home country, if you converted to christianity. so (at least in germany) it's not not easier to *come* here as a christian, but it's easier to *stay* here.
@BuryingYoungTalent 8 жыл бұрын
Quit bashing Christianity, you're going to be in trouble on judgement day.
@kumaelnegro3264 8 жыл бұрын
So is a bunch of half ass cherry picking Christians.
@BuryingYoungTalent 8 жыл бұрын
+Kuma El Negro Well I believe the bible is literally true and scientifically accurate.
@benaspenlieder2047 8 жыл бұрын
+BuryingYoungTalent well you can believe it's true all you want but saying it's scientifically true is just blatantly false
@BuryingYoungTalent 8 жыл бұрын
Give me one example of how science proves the bible wrong.
@MisterRoseMan 8 жыл бұрын
+BuryingYoungTalent Science has proved that we have evolved from primates over the millenia. The notion of a "creator" as referred to at the human state first introduced in the Bible has been scientifically proven false years ago.
@lol101lol101lol10199 8 жыл бұрын
It's called "Taqiyya". Lying for Islam. As another invader converts and gets asylum, the Church celebrates the saving of a precious soul and ISIS a successful con. "Allah is the best of schemers," (Qur'an 3: 54).
@Andersljungberg 8 жыл бұрын
more than 50 percent visiting the church after they are converted according Priest
@rcstar07 8 жыл бұрын
looks like someone woke up. Muslims Umma believes once you are a Muslim, always a Muslim. Muslims can act like non-Muslim while living in a non-Muslim country.
@rcstar07 8 жыл бұрын
it's only temporary that they are going to Church, but by heart by soul they are Muslim
@Andersljungberg 8 жыл бұрын
+rcStar c Romans did not become Christians in one night .Not slowly they changed their way of thinking. if you really want to become a Christian so you can socialize with other Christians. and ask them all about you need to know
@IdarkphoenixI 8 жыл бұрын
Stop conflating refugee with immigrant, they are not the same thing
@J.Stargaze 8 жыл бұрын
So they're a bunch of Ragnars, lol
@MrKolsyrad 8 жыл бұрын
Are you talking about Vikings? You're sorta missing the point entirely of what he was doing in the show. He was USING Christianity for his own gain, he never actually converted. It's quite baffling to me how many actually believed that he did when it was so obvious that he didn't.
@VolcardoReviewer 8 жыл бұрын
The show and the loosely based history it stems from has diverted completely. It is up for debate. No one is right or wrong.
@sunmustbedestroyed 8 жыл бұрын
More like Rollos.
@YanPagh 8 жыл бұрын
Ragnar never kneed to a priest 8pretty much the other way around). I really despise the Christian film makers urge to lie.
@sleepywoodelf 8 жыл бұрын
Yan Pagh On the contrary I think his experimentation with Christianity and his willingness to be baptized to take Paris shows how strong the Odhinnic force in him is.
@frankepps1856 8 жыл бұрын
More like The Young Turds.
@sashatoao8421 8 жыл бұрын
Woah bro. That's edgy.
@ragnorian257 8 жыл бұрын
+Sasha Toao 2edgy4me
@shway1 8 жыл бұрын
You must be new here
@imnotmike 8 жыл бұрын
Oh, how mature and original! Nobody ever thought of that before. You're so clever! What grade are you in?
@frankepps1856 8 жыл бұрын
imnotmike You mad bro?
@hjge1012 8 жыл бұрын
How come at first you say they are from Iran and Afghanistan, followed by talking about Isis. I'm not sure if you're aware, but Isis isn't in those countries.
@dankghoul1438 8 жыл бұрын
For all the uproar, brouhaha, and lies about Taqiyya, THIS would actually be able to be considered Taqiyya.
@acosta2493 8 жыл бұрын
How so?
@acosta2493 8 жыл бұрын
NyeusiMuslim I understand. Thanks
@kinglink9541 8 жыл бұрын
Actually you technically have a point. Taqiya was originally a way for Shiite Muslims to avoid persecution by lying about their religion. Although I doubt that is what is going on.
@junelawson5719 8 жыл бұрын
If it's illegitimate, yes, but I think it's somewhat presumptive to assume none of these people are legitimately converting.
@dankghoul1438 8 жыл бұрын
+Jane Fraser Some may be legitimate, the timing just seems incredibly convenient.
@shlovaski8393 8 жыл бұрын
the prophet predicted this. "the day of judgment will not come until the people sell their religion for a small amount of worldly goods."
@grumpyturtle9682 8 жыл бұрын
I dunno mate, ensuring the safety of both yourself and your family hardly seems like "small worldly goods". I understand religion is a huge part of one's cultural identity, but if its sacrifice means my family will not be sent back to the slaughter, I would have done the exact same thing.
@kinglink9541 8 жыл бұрын
I didn't know that people leaving a violent religion is selling their religion for worldly goods.
@ahmedessa1364 8 жыл бұрын
people were actually leaving Islam back in his days, *(that's why he massacred allot of people who didnt bought his islamic bullshit and called them infidels)* so basically it's not a prediction it's what he already knew, that's why he invented the apostate execution sharia law, as the alazhar cleric said *if the sharia law that kills the apostate didn't existed, people would've left Islam a long time ago.* So yea.......
@mrlesgrossman5551 8 жыл бұрын
Mohammed predicted nothing.
@oO_ox_O 8 жыл бұрын
Shlovaski Is this a quote from the Book of Mormon?
@wolfwaya 8 жыл бұрын
One thing not mentioned about going with no religion: you don't have to seek out a priest or religious leader to leave a religion so therefore it's not something going to be reported. As for using as a reason for asylum, some of the stricter nations may need proof of it and that is not something most can just "prove"
@1975Rysky 8 жыл бұрын
True. Acceptance of scepticism in the face of tragedy takes a shit ton of courage.
@wolfwaya 8 жыл бұрын
You also forget how many give up religion over the idea of "Why did you take my loved one?!" perspective. Other factors to also consider: If Apostrophe gets you beheaded, your going to practice Islam If your society is highly discriminatory against other religions or atheism you practice Islam. So in a very strict society with mandatory state religion you follow the faith to a T regardless if you believe it or not.
@mookieibra6376 7 жыл бұрын
I personally know few guys that pretended to be Christians to get asylum and it worked... Meanwhile last week we celebrated EID together.
@slipknotandtool 8 жыл бұрын
These theories are cynical to say that they are just converting to gain something from it. Isn't there a possibility they are finding true spirituality?
@ciaareinthecommentssection9575 8 жыл бұрын
People don't convert to no religion because they seek an identity. Atheism is for the strong and most people are not.
@jamesgeorge7579 8 жыл бұрын
Atheism are for people who find don't need a great purpose to find meaning.
@jamesgeorge7579 8 жыл бұрын
***** He never said that, and even if he did, he became an atheist later in life. Besides, Satanism is the worship of satan, and atheism is the belief that entities like satan don't exist, they are not compatible.
@nitelite78 8 жыл бұрын
Atheism is for people who don't believe any god's exist. That's all.
@bigol9223 8 жыл бұрын
"Atheism is for the strong." source please
@traplover6357 8 жыл бұрын
atheist is the disbelief or lack of a deity. Can still be conservative/liberal. And honestly, ideologies are a stronger identity than belief systems.
@maconbacon 8 жыл бұрын
"I'm agnostic", that goes from knowledge, not faith, if you are talking about FAITH, you are an atheist, but half measures is all Cenk is all about Sadly, the agnostic term is usually used as a substitute word because the word Atheist has been demonized by religion
@Faddnn 8 жыл бұрын
Agnostic is so misused and wrongly used. Neil deGrasse Tyson do this to. I hear you're an agnostic, but are you an theist or atheist?
@maconbacon 8 жыл бұрын
***** That must be it, he is an agnostic muslim
@iluvwater66 8 жыл бұрын
Agnosticism is a claim on epistemology, atheism is a metaphysical claim. You can be an agnostic Christian or a gnostic Christian.
@BurakovAS 8 жыл бұрын
actually, no. if you ask me if i am for or against a specific policy in Zambia, i'm neither for nor against. i'm an agnostic in that regard. you can't say "well, since i'm not for it, i must be against it". no, i simply have no opinion on the matter. now, Cenk is an atheist, because he proclaims quite strongly that the gods of the world's religions are imaginary. so even if he claims to be an agnostic, he's actually an atheist. but it _is_ perfectly possible to be an agnostic in the sense of not having an opinion, for or against something.
@Faddnn 8 жыл бұрын
Out of my misery You are either agnostic or gnostic when we talk about religion. If you're agnostic, you're saying that you can't know for sure. If you're gnostic, you're saying that you can know for sure. You can be a gnostic or/and agnostic theist, you can be a gnostic or/and agnostic atheist. As an example, I'm gnostic to some theist views, agnostic to some other theist views. Theist/atheist is only a question about faith, you either believe or you don't.
@Reddust86 8 жыл бұрын
maybe these are people who always wanted to be christians but could never do it in their own countries because of fear of their lives
@Duke_of_Lorraine 8 жыл бұрын
If they only want to flee war, then going to Europe is POINTLESS. They have already fled war when they set foot on Turkey.
@angrydognr1 8 жыл бұрын
Christianity = Islam lite
@Likeitornot91 8 жыл бұрын
gr8 b8 m8
@jett2688 8 жыл бұрын
+Taylor Swift Aryan Goddess Who cares
@WeKnowTheTruth2012 8 жыл бұрын
Pretty much. Islam and Christianity are nearly the same. The only difference is that christians dont take their fables literally
@TheMasterJCL 8 жыл бұрын
If they aren't born they aren't babies though...
@XiaoYueMao 8 жыл бұрын
no, we take ALREADY dead babies for research oh, and btw the bible explicitly says the only way to atone for the sin of having a baby when unmarried is to eat the bastard babie ALIVE .... i wonder which is truely bad
@Deborah5000 8 жыл бұрын
I'm from the Netherlands and I have no problem with people switching their religion. But after they get asylum, if they really want to turn christian why not first get asylum and then go christian?
@vladthemanpire5894 8 жыл бұрын
They explained it in the video. You have a higher chance of being accepted if your are christian.
@sogghartha 8 жыл бұрын
That's not true though. The Netherlands is very secular, our laws don't look at what religion someone is.
@americasimperialist360 8 жыл бұрын
Vlad the Manpire Or we can keep them out and let them fend for themselves.
@vladthemanpire5894 8 жыл бұрын
America's Imperialist If we didn't not take their ressources because of cooporations and corrupt goverments that would be the right thing to do indeed.
@blackmichael75 8 жыл бұрын
Bob Smith is the singer for the Cure.
@kingjamesii404 8 жыл бұрын
If I see someone talking about this Armenian Genocide one more time
@jonesnj07 8 жыл бұрын
*This is like going from one Kool Aid flavour to another*
@grumpyturtle9682 8 жыл бұрын
I hope its raspberry. Raspberry is tasty.
@mystery9986 8 жыл бұрын
+Adoss shall rule all but I like lemonade flavor
@randyrandalman8234 8 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: artificial raspberry flavoring is made from beaver anus. The more you know :)
@grumpyturtle9682 8 жыл бұрын
+Randy Randalman Well... I am now in favor of the lemon flavor option.
@mystery9986 8 жыл бұрын
Hmmmm lemons
@immaliberal141 8 жыл бұрын
Christianity - The slightly more domesticated version of Islam.
@immaliberal141 8 жыл бұрын
***** That's why I said "domesticated", instead of "less radical".
@queenofcats2645 8 жыл бұрын
+Gandhi never mind that argument was used for Christians
@immaliberal141 8 жыл бұрын
THE RELIGIONS ARE EQUALLY TWISTED. The difference is that Christianity has been systematically domesticated by secular western governments. While Islam has been able to exist unchallenged due to weak governments and the lack of education.
@robinvik1 8 жыл бұрын
Yeah, there are a lot people in my country that converts to islam because they feel christianity is too watered down. (Well, ca. 2500 in the last 15 years, maybe that's not a lot.) Of course I live in Norway so christianity here is different from american christianity.
@immaliberal141 8 жыл бұрын
***** You're the only one that is convinced you are right, by the way, that's called arrogance. If Christianity has their way like Islam often does, they'd be dragging us back to the stone age.
@jakeali8717 8 жыл бұрын
It probably won't make a difference on their views on homosexuality, women, tolerance of other faiths, atheism, and religion mixed with government
@grigoryzinoviev244 8 жыл бұрын
"How come people don't convert to 'no religion'?" What? That's probably the most COMMON thing to do in North America.
@naejin 8 жыл бұрын
There is a historic precedence where a large percentage of people convert to the religion of their liberator/savior. Look at Koreans liberated from Japan after WW2. A large portion of Koreans converted to Christianity. South Korea is the only East Asian country that has Christianity as the largest religion of the nation. In this case, it's more to the effect of refugees assimilating to the country they are migrating and being given asylum. I'm certain many pragmatics were also involved by reciprocity of generosity granted by churches. So this should not be too surprising.
@gatesbrown26 8 жыл бұрын
no, the Philipines is majority Christian. Has been since the 15/16 hundreds.
@ASTCify 8 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why there are so many dislikes. They all showed a great deal of knowledge about the Middle Eastern religions in this video.
@ericlefevre7741 6 жыл бұрын
This video was 9 minutes of combined rank ignorance by a former Jew, Muslim, and Christian. Neither of those three had any level of understanding of their former faiths.
@wwxx4358 8 жыл бұрын
hey Cenk you do realize that Dutch and German are very similar and they would also say "ja, ja, mach schnell" in the Netherlands, right?
@edwnx0 8 жыл бұрын
People are disliking this simply for the fact that "Muslim refugees" is in the title lol.
@musicf3b 8 жыл бұрын
Christianity takes the scene to capitalize on another disaster
@masterprocrastinator384 8 жыл бұрын
*new?!
@sbrnrn 8 жыл бұрын
+leon scott no one said that dude.
@happynightz 8 жыл бұрын
Talk to me when an atheist gives food and shelter to refugees
@musicf3b 8 жыл бұрын
+Bob Jams 1) they do 2) helping the less fortunate to make your sky father happy or for a chance to convert them isn't altruistic. It's for your own benefit
@musicf3b 8 жыл бұрын
+Bob Jams So because you never heard of them they must not exist? Also your claim is stupid "there are no atheist charities". 'None' and 'all' statements are wrong more often than they are right. Showing you one charity would completely discredit your childish argument. thaumaturgical.com/a-big-list-of-atheist-charities/
@jesuiskc477 8 жыл бұрын
"why arent they converting to atheism?" Because being religious is important to them. And that doesn't mean theyre stupid.
@ridgemondhigh4891 5 жыл бұрын
It makes perfect sense. They flee Afghanistan, Iran, Pakistan, not to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, but to the Christian West
@Razzle182 8 жыл бұрын
It's illegal in The Netherlands to judge someone upon their religion. Asylum wouldn't be withheld because you converted to another religion.
@TheRussianSaint18 8 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I have really been on Ben's side. He has a very valid point that maybe a lot of these conversions are legitimate because they see the love of certain Christians.
@dvid22 8 жыл бұрын
hashtag not all muslims.
@ihategoogle2382 8 жыл бұрын
There has also been stories in the Danish press about refugees lying about their faith. It is anecdotal, yes, but the phenomenon cannot be ignored.
@the11382 8 жыл бұрын
From the article: "And contrary to popular belief, conversion to Christianity can actually damage one’s chances of asylum in the Netherlands.". Discrimination based on religion is prohibited in the Netherlands by the constitution. Weird how it still dictates if someone can stay or not.
@nicolewalter5513 8 жыл бұрын
Remind me of the famine in China where missionaries offered food to converts.
@ABEL13ize 5 жыл бұрын
at least they don't say if you don't be Muslim we are going to beheaded you
@SaraTwril 8 жыл бұрын
In the Quran, it mentions, you can NOT murder non-believers. Instead the Quran encourages common grounds, and love your neighbours, regardless how different they may be from you. As a Muslim we are also taught from our prophet Muhammad, peace upon him that no one should force someone to covert or murder anyone who leaves the religion in their own terms.
@jaisonabraham7069 8 жыл бұрын
my knees are killing me today. I spend the whole day making Ikea furnitures.
@lisamichellearthur968 8 жыл бұрын
It's wonderful that you say that there are Christians in the original populations of Syria, etc. The problem is that the refugee settlement program is being run by the OIC group in the UN, which being Muslim is making it much more difficult for non-Muslim refugees to be part of the process.
@davidroberts1689 8 жыл бұрын
Wow! Out of the fire into the frying pan.
@ovdtogt1 8 жыл бұрын
The European Court for Human Rights in Luxembourg has ruled that Muslims who have converted to Christianity may not automatically be denied asylum.
@darrrrria 8 жыл бұрын
i dont understand. if a muslim who was converted to a christain and still had to go back to his muslim country. how can people there know that he s not muslim anymore.
@VortekStarling 8 жыл бұрын
Ben did not read the fine print in the guest host contract where it said "when Cenk starts talking guests are to zip it, not start talking themselves."
@OjanMusic 8 жыл бұрын
It doesn't kill your legs Cenk, Your body adapts and it becomes comfortable... Also, Islam remains the world's fastest growing religion.
@jessali_ 8 жыл бұрын
One of the reasons I think they're not "converting" to no religion, but instead convert to Christianity, is German bureaucracy. In Germany, the branch of Christianity you're registered in is on your certificate and you often have to disclose your registered religion (only if it's Catholic or Evangelical-Lutheran though!) when you apply for whatever (jobs or health insurance etc.). However, if you don't belong to the Catholic Church or the Evangelical-Lutheran Church, you have to check "other" or "none". So Muslims and Atheists would have to check the same box. Since many people are biased, they obviously automatically assume an Arabic-looking person is Muslim - not Atheist - when they're "other" or "none" on their certificate/application. So it's much, much easier as a refugee from a Muslim country to convert to Christianity than to no religion in Germany.
@soul_robot 8 жыл бұрын
I see on conservative videos they talk about hating people who are not Christians but on liberal videos they hate and make fun of religious people. I have a solution to this problem. Stop with hate and love each other. Yeah I know it's a long shot but here me out. All we have to do is respect people and their choices so that means if someone is religious or atheist respect their decision. If they start to be rude about it it's called "I respect your opinion about that's not for me". Religion doesn't make you do bad things it's the people who convinced you to do those bad things. For example Reinhard Heydrich was a Christian. He served in the Nazi party and was evil cause he helped Himmler come up with the "final solution". Okey here's a Christian called MLK. He brought people together. Now for atheists. Bill Gates has identified himself as a atheist and he has donated so much money to help people who need it. Stalin was a atheist and killed his own people. Love each other.
@mikeylejan8849 3 жыл бұрын
Lots of muslim countries have apostasy laws which makes it illegal for muslims to leave the religion, they could face imprisonments or be killed. I am proud of being Christian. Most Muslim countries have punishment against apostasies.
@myaudiobookschannel3625 8 жыл бұрын
Muslims are allowed to deny their faith if it's for a greater purpose
@letsnotplaywithelectricity9346 8 жыл бұрын
Shhhhh they are peace loving people with high IQs looking for a better life. (heavy sarcasm)
@Inferno361 8 жыл бұрын
Ben is wrong again. He underestimates religion.
@aydh83 8 жыл бұрын
They probably went: Islam? Christianity? No difference? Perfect!
@RonasD94 8 жыл бұрын
where exactly does Cenk denie the armenien genocide? I cant find it. He always seemed very critical about the turkish government to me and i say that as a kurd.
@orangeoblivion 8 жыл бұрын
When facing such a difficult situation, I'm glad so many can find comfort through faith. I volunteer in a Christian funded food bank where we give food to the needy, no questions asked. We do not try to convert anyone. If someone sees this generosity and wants to convert, that's not an unreasonable reaction. Honestly I believe faith inspires people to help others more often than being an atheist would. I'm not saying an atheist cannot be charitable, it's just that so many charities are funded through faith based organizations. People love to hate on Christians (mainly because they don't fight back), but truthfully most of us just want to help. Edit: There are actually some interesting studies done showing that the religious are more likely to donate to charity as well as Christian charities being more reliable www.forbes.com/sites/williampbarrett/2011/11/30/the-200-largest-u-s-charities-for-2011/
@spoonfulofdreams 8 жыл бұрын
Cringe worthy piece from TYT. A little patronising and generally pointless
@LutherusPXCs 8 жыл бұрын
Christian Refugees > Muslim Refugees
@kinoko7667 8 жыл бұрын
Both Europe and the US are increasingly becoming more right, and it's frightening.
@DavidHoberg 8 жыл бұрын
The key fact would be that they are "mainly Afghans and Iranians". Both countries are currently considered "safe" under german law, meaning migrants from Afghanistan and Iran would be likely to be deported at some point. Syrians however would have no real incentive to convert, because Syria isn't considered "safe", they are in no danger of being deported. Muslim, Christian or otherwise, Germany doesn't deport people into an active warzone. The motivation for the current converts could hardly be more apparent.
@drobinson7372 8 жыл бұрын
Don't take my word for it but since Mohammed was was married to a Catholic nun it's not too much of a stretch for a Muslim to convert to non-Protestant Christianity.
@skrudrvr 8 жыл бұрын
Except for Italians, most Western Europeans don't go to church anyway.
@kalsizzle 8 жыл бұрын
You'd think the right wingers would love this
@Jvocas 8 жыл бұрын
I appreciate Ben saying that these people who are converting are likely just seeing that most christians just want to help. In my experience most pastors will help anyone regardless of their religion or lack there of. What's up with all the hate for christians? Why can't people just leave people alone? If you wanna be christian that's fine! If you want to be agnostic or atheist that's fine! If you want to be Muslim that's fine! Liberals and progressives are suppose to be about civil rights! What about the right to believe whatever you want? The hate people have for people of religion is absurd when most people of religion don't hate anyone. They just want to live their lives and believe that they believe in peace. For those who believe that everyone has to believe what I believe, they are insane and wrong. Doesn't matter if they're atheist or religious.
@GEEKSYFE 8 жыл бұрын
Those stories are just like fairy tails. No evidence at all.
@julianalbarran3492 8 жыл бұрын
The dislikes, is this a Nicole Arbour video?
@montanus777 8 жыл бұрын
the answer is quite easy. in germany the churches (esp. the protestant) are the easiest way to get in contact with the local people for someone, who doesn't know anything about our culture. so if you don't want to spent months in your asylum shelters and being bored of having nothing to do, the easiest way is to head for the churches.
@barrynichols2846 8 жыл бұрын
If this trend continues, they will have more ex-muslim as Christians, than Christians
@sheniquabrown3852 8 жыл бұрын
Are you guys going to talk about how all of Kansas schools are shut down?
@patrickduque8510 8 жыл бұрын
It's virtually impossible to go a day without hearing about Muslims. We're acknowledging them just like they want; and therefore giving them power. I always tend to ignore idiots so they go away.
@VelMa-opinion 8 жыл бұрын
The same reason that Jews used to convert in some European countries where they were discriminated against. But I've heard locally that some dying Protestant groups are getting more members, but partly it's just because they haven't been exposed to Christian teaching previously and the actual Christians who believe in their religion's teachings treat the refugees with kindness and hospitality. The numbers are not that big, but there are some. Also, Christians in Middle East are fleeing, but everyone just assumes that Mideasterners are Muslim.
@easysnake205 8 жыл бұрын
interesting note, Islam was spread by the sword. Islamic armies conquered areas and forced conversion.
@myshubby 7 жыл бұрын
People don't mass convert to being atheist, because people are used to having someone they can turn to, a diety, that they've learned to depend on and rely on for sanctity. Therefore, it will never be the case where large groups of people decide they're ok on their own, and to give up the idea of the afterlife completely.
@paulticer4115 8 жыл бұрын
Most of them would not qualify for asylum in Europe, Afghans and Iraqis usually won't. They are considered economic refugees not "fleeing for their lives". So they convert to Christianity because then they would be subject to persecution in places like Afghanistan. They can then under most European asylum rules make the case that they can't be sent back.
@Topself24 8 жыл бұрын
More ppl in the congregation, more ppl contributing to the church. It's a numbers game.
@teacinnamon7696 8 жыл бұрын
There is a church tax in Germany. If you pay it, you get some benefits, like a better kindergarten or school for your kids, because a lot of institutions are "sponsored" by church and as an atheist or a muslim you don't get accepted. This creates some huge problems. For example, some nurses are forced to stay in church, because most hospitals get money from the church and if you convert to atheism or other religion, you will loose your job. So there are some practical reasons to be christian in Germany.
@TheOnlyYackE 8 жыл бұрын
I live in a town in Germany that has one of the biggest refugee camp in my state with around 2,000 refugees. When I ride my bike home from school I take a route that the refugees take to get from the train station to the camp. Once a week there's a group of people handing out flyers to refugees to get them to convert and go to their church.
@shelivesforjesus2353 8 жыл бұрын
a true Christian would not judge the quality of their faith.. a true Christian would not require them to change ther faith to enter the country. a true Christian would certainly explain and then offer the simple plan of Salvation after offering asylum
@lolabigcups7121 8 жыл бұрын
Great this is just what America needs more Christians.
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