bcs she moans every time she last hits a minon

The strongest thing about lissandra is that no one knows what she does because no one plays her

I love Liss' relative unpopularity. It really complements her lore. Bosses move in silence.

you know the vid is gonna be good when she even got skipped in the "to do" video queue

I main Lissandra since her release. For years i was one of the best listed Lissandra players on opgg and leagueofgraphs. First of all: Her dmg is insane. All the years her dmg was a bit underwhelming but over the last year riot buffed her dmg so much. She has no issues to oneshot a squishy target just with one item because of her crazy AP ratios. I have no clue why people think she is boring to play because she is one of few mages who has incredible playmake potential. She can carry games by her own with just on good engage. She is a lategame Monster. Her biggest weakness is her horrible early game. Her cooldowns are to high, mana costs very expensive since they reworked her passive and her base damage is also pretty low. She even has one of the best Lores of the Champions. She saves whole Runeterra

Bro when you engage as Lissandra and your team doesn’t follow up it’s the worst feeling in the world

“Riot doesn’t like damage classes to build tank” Riot : let’s let tanks like Malphite and Galio to build pure AP and do a ton of damage while still being tanky

"Theoretically, if your champion is tanky and deals a lot of damage, that makes them overpowered" Every toplane champ ever: heh

Forget her old passive, I love frozen thralls. They can snowball an entire teamfight.

I still remember when they did the biggest nerf on her(along with Garen, Heimer, and Zed) where they removed the bug that allowed them to spam taunts that interrupt each other. I still remember her "Sur- Sur- Su- Surr- S- S- S- Sur- Surrende- Sur-"

“When someone is very tanky but does a lot of damage, people would consider them overpowered.” Mundo- 😳

I do think her kit is one of a kind in League of Legends. Contrary to common belief, she is not as simple as press R and leave. Her abilities are very easy to predict, making her hard to play because engage is very crucial. :(

The reason why no one plays her because if they do, then the Watchers would destroy the whole universe.

Lissandra is my all time favorite champ! Her lore, design, and kit hit every mark for me and I played her nonstop when she first came out. I still use her often but she doesn't feel as good to play from her initial release. I build her more tanky lately because trying to build all dmg is too frustrating to play most of the time. Still love my ice queen tho

If I wasn't a weirdo only playing gragas and ivern Id definetly play her

1. Control battle mage 2. Low damage high CC 3. Needs follow up to maximize her potential. Not tanky enough for top, not enough damage for carry mid.

i play lissandra guys give me some love Rank 1 WOLRD HERE

As a Liss main I just want the Q and AA range to be a little bit longer, but to have the free skill cast back in her passive along with the current one is also nice. Either one is fine.

as a Lissandra fanatic...I was waiting for this soooooo bad

Honestly as someone who loves Lissandra I have no clue why few play her

When i started playing lissandra the one deceptively difficult thing for me was knowing the perfect time to all in with the best outcome because sometimes your teammates cant followup that well. And i think that is one of the reasons why many give up on her after trying her for the first time because they always die after an all in.

Love her in ARAM which is quite fitting

I think Liss suffers from nostalgia. Liss is way more effective as a follow up than engager, but since she was godlike at engaging back in the day, most people think about her that way. Even her new passive is about following up on a kill: It does a TON of damage, but it's slow and obvious. So if liss waits for a good engage from a teammate that kills or almost kills someone, her follow up will mop up the fight HARD. Everfrost is pretty good for that, as the active can be used instead of W or R while waiting for the engage to happen

6:10 god Tier Zhonya’s

I love Lissandra and this basically sums it up. Her early game feels awful and she only really shines when she has like 2-3 items, which kinda sucks. However, if you play smart and have a lane advantage, even in the slightest, then she can absolutely snowball and no one can keep her in check. But if she's behind, even a little, she will continue to struggle and that gap will only widen because she doesn't have the damage in her kit.

There's need to be an april fool's "Why no one plays: Yasuo"

As a lissandra main. I think the fact that she fits such a unique role and has a strong identity in the game as the hard aoe cc engage mage is wonderful. It's the goal of league to have every champ be unique and bring something new to the game while also being able to fit a class. So I think all her abilities and her new passive are all well and good. It's just that the game has changed around her and like said in the video she is terribly subject to indirect nerfs through the item updates and the mobility and damage creep in this game. Even though I'm 8 months late on my comment the problems in this video have only gotten worse for her since then.

Her new passive shouldn't be reverted as it heavily compliments her playstyle better than the previous one, before the issues you mentioned were more relevant , now the enemies have to choose to either continue committing with her ice ghosts around or completely disengage out of them. She's in a better spot than her pick rate suggests, she's just underplayed

League gets more dashy and fast, and she is just too short range and too squishy.

My friend is a Lissandra one trick and holy hell does he make her seem broken. I could feed a laner and think they're unkillable, then he comes in a pops them. Love that she's getting attention now

Woah vars your editing has improved very very much in this video good job this video has one of the best and smoothest among your other videos

I just started lissandra and i love so much the way she's slidin these rocks when she walks xD Time to give some salt-tasty ice(cream)

i personally love her new passive since it gives her great dmg when her spells are on CD after she has used her combo and got out lov on HP she can stand far back and still spawn ice ghost when your team cleanes up after u

Having her blink faster would be good with a little more base MS.

I had this question yesterday glad u posted a video on it!

I swear even if only her claw skill got faster she would be one of the scariest champs

Liss main here, she honestly is in such a weird place because i LOVE her new passive and it's so much more in line with what her character is themed around and like.... however, it splits power from her other abilities and makes her so much more mana hungry. her kit and abilities are focused around her original champion design, and while she hasn't changed much in that regard since release. Her core balance still NEEDS that mana cost passive to function. To break it down, She can't have high burst damage because she has a lot of easily spammable and hard to dodge skills, but she can't spam her abilities anymore because she'll run out of mana quickly. And because she can't have high burst damage she needs to build durability, but if she builds durability she won't have mana to spam abilities and if she builds mana AND durability she won't have damage. and the biggest issue is that with her IMBA skills, fixing just one of these things could make her EXTREMELY viable again to the point of her just needing to be nerfed once more.

No one mains Lissandra until I play Zed and then everyone picks her

I've been an Anivia main for 7 years but Lissandra has been my #2 for a lot of that time. My desire to play her as often as I used to has been waning lately though and you did a fine job of describing why, which can somewhat be summed up with one main issue: She's very difficult to play from behind. If I could pick one thing to have changed about her it would be the passive rework because it took that problem and rubbed it in like an insult: If your team is having difficulty killing anyone, Liss may as well not have a passive. Ugh. They meant it to capitalize on her teamfight utility but she's almost best as an assassin who avoids them sometimes now because of the points made in this video and in that case, too, the passive change tends to be unhelpful. I desperately miss being able to outplay people by using the free mana timing to convince people in the early/early mid game that I can't ult/fight them due to being out of mana then turn them into a corpse popsicle. Having that back may as well be a nitpick but losing it sure killed her already-limited outplay potential which mostly relies on peoples' ignorance and underestimating how much damage they would take. I'm really disappointed....

Something I've long advocated for Lissandra to get is some sort of passive that converts spellcasts into shields. Either granting her a Shield based on enemies hit, or based on mana spent. Nothing to make her a full tank, but she NEEDS something to allow her to even exist in melee.

Honestly. I wish she had tankier base stats at the cost of slightly less scaling. I would also love if her ult healing also scaled with bonus Hp, bonus MR, and bonus armor instead of only AP.

Why no one plays: Lissandra Lissandra mains: Let see 🤔

I literally started maining her the day you dropped this video hahaha, but it's great to learn her weaknessess

I remember the same issue with Tahm kench. His damage scaled off of health which made him really good into everyone because health isn't as conditional as armor or Magic resist, but it was scaling off of his ultimate at a big rate, so they made it his normal passive and significantly lowered the damage

April 1st: Why no one plays Gwen, reason: she hasn't been released live yet

Before watching: I don't see lissandra alot but she isn't bad, just that for what she can do , others do it from a further, safer distance

I like the gentle disclaimer at the start

Hey Vars! Just wanted to say that I watched a couple of the videos in the series and they are SO interesting! I learned so much and it really explains why you don't see certain champions. Kind of makes you want to try them out for yourself XD

I play a lot of Lissandra and Kayle. Liss shares a lot of the strengths and weaknesses as Kayle. Both of them scale impressively well, but are heavily reliant on items and levels rather than their kit. The make or break point for Liss and Kayle is whether or not the enemy team bullies them pre-6. All of Liss's spells have incredibly high CDs in the early game and cost a lot of mana to cast (even her Q, which at level 1 has like, 8-9 seconds of CD) and are short ranged to the extreme. This opens you up to a long trading period where many characters can essentially run at you without fear to auto-attack or use an ability. You don't play your lane, you SURVIVE it until Level 6. Even then, without your core items, it's difficult to net a kill on your laner with an all-in. They have to already be below 70% HP from poking, or you need assistance from your jungler to close up the final 10-20% damage required. Whereas a Zed with a Serrated Dirk is perfectly capable of blowing you up already. I find that Lissandra excels in enemy comps that have a lot of Melee champs, but if the enemy team has one or two characters like Xerath, God help you because you will never be able to make a safe engage. You can potentially get an incredible 3-4 man engage, but it's almost inevitable that you will die in the process. Lissandra is a character that thrives in the chaos of team fights, and her entire kit is around helping her team win fights. But in the madness of solo queue, it's hard to tell how reliable your team-mates will be until the first fight breaks out, or if they'll even understand how fight oriented Liss's kit is. I've at least found a method to solve most of Kayle's issues by playing her as an ADC with Fleet. Kayle's scaling works with both AD and AP, so you can always itemized into whatever damage type your team lacks. It turns out that pairing up a support with a hyper-carry means someone can watch your back in lane while you farm up and scale. I've yet to find a comfortable solution to Lissandra's issues. I tried her out as a support for a while, with variations on Electrocute, Comet, Guardian and Aftershock. None of them feel just right, and there's always 1-2 glaring weaknesses for every strength. Poke mage supports make it impossible for her to trade healthily. Tank supports like Alistar and Rell ignore your low base damage, and at best, you can only really peel for your team. Peeling CAN be effective as the core strategy, but the low range of Q-W means you have to essentially sit on top of and baby-sit someone to peel well. Other characters just do the job of supporting, peeling and outputting early game damage far more efficiently. I really enjoy Lissandra, and I intend to keep playing her. But every time I select her, I get this nagging feeling that Lissandra is holding me back. I see far better success on other characters in her same class type, but I don't find them entertaining the way I do Liss. Here's hoping that the Liss buffs in the coming patch address at least one of her core issues, like early CD on her Q or slightly cheaper mana costs. She just needs SOMETHING to help her early game.

A return of her old passive on top of the current kit with some better base damage on her base abbilities at the cost of worse ap scaling, a buff to her base mana regen, base hp (for whatever reason hers is lower than Le Blank, Syndra or Orianna despite needing it way more), hp regen (for sustain in lane, she gets none from items and runes wich is very rare nowadays) and maybe a redirection of power from her E to the Q and W would probably fix her. She is an insanley fun champ to play (tho her animations are starting to show their age) and I've tried to get back into playing her but her early game is just atrocious.

loving the serie!

I absolutely love playing Lissandra, I just think she needs a slight bump in her own power level to encourage solo plays in more situations. Even a slow on her next auto-attack when she Q's would be extremely helpful for her solo kill pressure. Sometimes she feels a bit too much like a support; in that she often needs help to kill people in mid-late game imo.

Personally I like the slower behemoth feeling, so she deffinately needs to be more tanky. I would love aftershock to be good on her again

Honestly, Lissandra just needs a way to make her a more unique champ that can at least carry than be something like Malzahar. Anivia had a similar problem where she felt too outdated and weak, that she felt like an anti carry than an AP scaling monster. Hope Riot gives her more attention.

Lissandra really doesn’t need a buff. I play her quite a bit and its she is amazing. 1. Its near impossible to get ganked so long as your sensible. 2. You can still delete enemies so long as you take ignite. 3. In teamfights having a fed enemy is basically a non treat since can chain cc them for so long. 4. I always build xhonyas and banshees veil after everfrost. This makes you more than tanky enough to fullfill you purpose to make the most “threatening” enemy champions life miserable by turning them into a completely useless block of ice. 5. Her passive is a terror in teamfights.

These vids have only made me realize how well the lore of a character ties into how they play

Finally, i found a person on the internet who actually understands x champion issues properly.

As a Lissandra main, I feel vindicated by every second of this video.

Been running relentless and it’s really nice on her giving her 410 outside of combat easily -- early roams are great to stack a dark seal couple that with mejais and cosmic drive and THEN a protobelt or everfrost reach-- and you’re like the smooth criminal truck meme: “YOU’VE BEEN HIT BY, YOU’VE BEEN STRUCK BY, .... -TRUCK”

2 years later and Lissandra was finally given enough love to be played as a Mid Laner and Support on the Worlds stage. She quickly became my favorite champion to play after her passive rework.

She is one of my favourite champions. But I am a jungler :(

Her design is amazing and i absolutely love it, but her kit could be better.

I was a liss main, the old mana passive + the wave clear, gave you the possibility to opt out of laning like talon does. I prefered it a lot. Gives you a way out of impossible long range match ups and let you be proactive

Yeessssssssss, I've been waiting for this

I just bought her yesterday, lol. And I think it's gonna be great!

Do you mind, if i translate your video and post it in a group ? I'm afraid some people might not understand English, cause it's not our primary language I'll leave the credit to your videos.

these thumbnails look so good man!!!

I’ve played alot of Liss throughout her coming out and being changed, and personally I think the item changes were her biggest hit, they added some items that really help her, like Everfrost and Horizon Focus, but after the nerfs to her base damages I think she is just undertuned right now. Buffing her base damages early especially on her Q, but leaving her late game base damages the same would help greatly in getting her to a point she can get the items to burst, the other option would be lowering her cooldowns on her Q and W, with her CC she can kite people well, so having lower cooldowns would let her skirmish a bit more and not rely so heavily on the instant burst. Her passive I feel needs some adjustments because in lane, she will never have any use for it, so adding a second part to the passive like mana regen or a defensive option like Malz or Sej could help her survive a bit longer, while something like making it proc on cannon minions with reduced damage or range might be an effective option to keep higher damage potential.

Hi, Liss main here, she is really strong as she is and I want her to be kept a hidden gem, ty.

Though Lissandra is one of my oldest mains, I am not a great lissandra so this might be a bit closer to what the average player notices. One of the issues she used to have prior to her passive change was her really high mana cost on her Q, which was at 80 from rank 1. Meaning that spamming it to try and poke someone down would cause you to run out of mana quickly. And while her old passive did allow a free cast, it had quite a cooldown, and at the time her base damage and scaling was both worse, meaning you'd need to cast more to reach the same amount of damage you do now. I'm not quite certain if she had high mana cost because of her passive, or had her passive because of her mana cost. Either way it was a very uninteresting passive and the new passive is massively preferable. As was said she has good scalings, but horrible base damage. Combined with her very low range means putting out your damage is difficult and more than likely causes you to take a lot of damage in return. So what you want is ganks. Due to her cc a gank is damn near guaranteed to succeed, especially if the ganker in question also has cc. However the thing you notice in solo q is that people don't tend to cooperate well, if at all. Thus you can be left stranded in lane against an opponent you know you would have a hard time killing yourself, but would be an easy kill with some assistance. Which can be rather frustrating. However the bigger issue in season 11 is that due to the mythic items getting an early game lead is more important than ever before, something that is incredibly difficult to do as lissandra by yourself, due to as forementioned low base damage and low range. Which brings me to matchups. A lot of laners, most ranged laners out range you by quite a bit, mages and the like. Meaning they can poke you out of lane, causing you to fall behind and etc. However as mentioned due to Lissandra's reliable cc she should be a good counter against melee champions such as assasins right? Theoretically yes, but in practice less so, especially this season. A lot of the assassins you'll face in mid have some ranged ability with an equal range to you if not longer, meaning they can poke you back. Another problem against melee is that while Lissandra's W is an instant root, it is a very low range one. Meaning most champs that you can root are already in their effective range anyway. And in most mid assassins cases, they can get on you quick, meaning that when you root them, they are already on you, and at that point a root isn't going to prevent them from dealing their damage. And with how slow her E is you are unlikely to be able to escape the burst either. Her W is generally insufficient to protect her from assasins properly While her Q has some range when it hits a minion, using that extra range also tends to mean pushing which leaves you a lot more vulnerable. You lack the range to trade properly with mages, and you lack the damage and tankiness to trade with assasins. These issues are easily offset with some ganks as it allows her cc and engage to shine, however that requires cooperation and that tends to be lacking in SoloQ. Lissandra works better in a slower more controlled game, right now however she is simply not able to keep up with most of her opponents by herself. She's one of them mages with the most abilities to protect herself, and yet she's also one of the most vulnerable. Like I said while I do main her, I am not a great Lissandra player. These are just issues that I think turn off most people from playing her.

I recently got back into Lissandra and you bring up a lot of valid points. I think just a small tweak to how the player handles her could solve her problems. I've been finding a lot of success playing her like i would as Kassadin or Kha'zix, teleport over a wall with E, hit them with a RQWQ combo, then back the heck up. In most of my games i've not noticed my durability issues just because i'm not in a position where i can be hit.

I think her passive is very unique, and is supposed to be a hidden source of damage; but it still leaves a big power gap in her kit rather than functioning as a remedy. You make great points about her damage::survivability trade-off being the biggest issue with her kit. You are also correct about her lacking a clear keystone rune. I find myself needing the inspiration tree for the mana and early game sustain, but really wanting domination instead (using sorcery as 2ndary).

I know I'm kinda late to the party but I've been maining Liss for 5 years and I thought I should give my opinion on this: You're goddamn right. 3:17 not only is her E very slow and predictable, but it also has a 24s base cooldown. Keep in mind that E ist maxed last, so you're sitting on those 24s cooldown until you reach like level 13. On top of that, her base movement speed is pretty terrible compared to other mages. 3:47 there have been two solutions to this in the past. Back when her passive gave her free spells, it was possible to build Protobelt without having mana issues, but with her current mana issues it's pretty much impossible to play Protobelt. Also Ludens does a lot more damage now and you miss out on a lot of damage by not building Ludens. The other solution was using hexflash. One could channel Hexflash while the claw was travelling, and flash after the blink. This was also patched out a while ago. Riot just doesn't want us Liss players to have fun 5:40 This is so goddamn true. If you build full damage like an Orianna, you're most likely still getting outdamaged. If you build tank like a swain, you do 0 damage, but still blow up easily because you have no built in tankyness in your kit. It's just funny how champions like DIana and Galio are both tankier and do more damage than Liss. Liss on her own is just straight up weaker than most midlane champions. 7:00 I disagree. Lissandra has a good variety of viable keystones. Electrocute is really good to blow up targets. Dark Harvest is an insane teamfighting rune. Comet can work really well in some matchups to bully out the enemy and win lane. 8:23 there's multiple reasons why carrying with Liss is really hard. The lack of damage is just one of them. With how predictable your engage is, it's really hard to find that one good fight you need. Especially because you have little room for error because of how long your E CD is. Also you're still squishy. One mistake, or just one well placed CC spell from the enemy team, and all the lead you built up was for nothing. 12:24 this would be a decent solution. Being able to build Proto into Zhonyas would make it a lot easier to catch people, and it would give Liss a more clear playstyle. Also it would make it easier to get into a teamfight to get that juicy 5 man combo, but without Ludens it would be a lot less damage. Overall it's a trade I would be willing to make Okay this all sounds like I'm just a salty Liss main who's asking for buffs, but I just wanted to give my opinion on the points mentioned in the video. Liss is still by far my favorite champion and I love playing her. There's just nothing more fun than seeing an enemy suffer while you stun them for 5 seconds, or getting that one juicy teamfight where just everybody in the enemy team blows up. if I had to decide how to fix Liss's design, there's 2 things that come to my mind. Number one would be reverting Liss's passive so she can build Proto+Zhonya and pushing her into a catch/assassin type of playstyle with Electrocute. Number 2 would be going back to the old Rod of Ages+Zhonyas days and make her a scaling battlemage similar to Swain or Vladimir. She would probably need something like making her thralls do damage over time similar to morde passive so she can be played with conqueror, as well as mana adjustments. Then she maybe could build Rift maker into Zhonyas. PS: did I mention that Yone E, one of the most broken spells in the entire game, has 2 seconds less cooldown and no mana costs. Pls rito buff Liss E

I feel like they should change her passive again. I've never really seen the ice zombies she makes be useful. Maybe they could make her passive similar to RoA, with scaling Mana and Health increases after a certain period of time or levels.

Love the vid as usual u no I subbed:D

I love both Anivia and Lissandra mid, so I appreciate you giving them both some nice videos!

Day 9 of asking Vars to make Why no one play's Xerath ;)

Just increase the range of her q, reduce its damage but make it do more damage the closer you are to someone, or make it do more damage to targets behind the first one. Then increase her e travel speed. These seem like super easy buffs that wouldn’t break her.

Her biggest nerf came when they removed her ability to taunt spam. I miss just annoying my enemies with an endless spam of "i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i i"

Her new passive is shit. It's just shit. The "zombie" moves too slowly and has a long delay before actually dealing damage. The only time i got hit by this thing is after i came back to the game from a 3 year break and didn't even realize the thing. Plus it doesn't even do anything in a 1v1. That's a really bad thing for a solo laner.

Awesome upload Vars!! Im new here, your channel was recommended to my by KZfaq, and I´m so glad it was!! Nothing more beautiful to watch, than good Lissandra gameplay!! My respect! Yeah you see so little of her ingame, whenever I have the chance to play her in Aram or ARURF I jump at the oppertunity, she really is an awesome champion to play. I leave my big like 3.7K something xD as well as my support +🔔 Have a great Easter Monday 🐣

I literally just started playing her a couple of weeks ago, but in support role and usually with an Ashe ADC for that nasty slow...I only need two more m7 tokens now, but she's so so fun and honestly if you get Imperial Mandate on her that's quite a blast lol

I loved playing her when she was on free rotation a while back, and i kind of forgot about her since, she needs more love.

what you said about malz when he surpesses also surpress himself i think also applies to Lissandra. Fixes: have W interact w/ E (also casted where E is) & R (larger aoe), allow her to cast abilities while she in her R, what if they went back to cdr but kept haste which would then effect how fast spells are casted/travel? rework Q so when targeting above self changes into aoe & rework E so is faster, lower cooldown and guide like Yuumi but when targeting above self is slower an higher cooldown but send out multiple circling outward from her, recast go to one targeted by mouse. this would play into a surround me play style W an R already do. W more dmg on edge and charge for larger aoe. pass rework: Path of the Watchers: where she walks an abilities leave a path that deteriorates over 3 sec, traveling on this path she gain stacks that also deteriorates over 2+lv sec, each stack increases her arm an mr by 2+lv. so say lv 18 so each stack give 20 , travel back the way you came gain 20, gain 14-1, gain 7 -2 = 41-3

Great video

Im a hardcore liss main and you pretty much summed up what she struggles with atm Thank you

Thanks for making this video I was planning to second pick her to Galio; she's okay but I didn't understand why she isn't played much

A funny thing you mention here is reliace on items. Complete tangent but i have found Corki to just always weasle himself into the meta, befause everytime one if his builde gets nerfed, he can abuse a new OP item. I have seen corki meta build include Immortal shield bow/liandries/ludens/riftmaker/divine sunderer. Almost no other champ can just swap around muthics like that and still be effective at all, let alone be a meta champ.

She is so fun to play. Just had the best ARAM game with her earlier tonight. I feel like the squishiness is a huge issue but also she is kind of like an all in tank like Leona or Amumu. You depend on your team to follow up when you all in. If they don't you go in and die while they are sitting around doing nothing. If they follow up there is a chance that you can make it out a live if someone else is perceived as a greater threat that needs to be focused. Wouldn't want her passive to be reverted because I think it is way more fun than the old one. Especially getting a triple or quadra with your passive alone.

Pretty good video, you hit on just about every issue with the champ, except ironically the ONE thing that makes her extremely good and yet sadly a little frustrating to play in solo queue, her passive. It's grossly misunderstood in its utility because it does a massive amount of damage and has a huge slow field which can allow your team to play in a completely different, usually more aggressive way to further snowball the fight into a huge win. Players don't understand that if that one pick is created and you create the frost ghost that slows by that big of an amount and is going to do 1/3-1/2 of their health on explosion is massive, it makes the enemy team have to play the rest of the fight out differently than they would like to, usually your team doesn't understand that due to how rare lissandra players are and also just lower elo players won't get it at all. In this way, she's really like a reset champ in a lot of ways but no one really understands her like that. If you play liss for 50 games you'll quickly realize how much your passive is capable of carrying and how much your teammates are really ignorant of it....which just piles onto the frustration in playing her. It's the single most frustrating thing about her in addition to all the points mentioned in the video.

Late to the party but Liss was my go to top laner way back in the day to shut down vaynes and other hypercarries back when they could do that well. One advanced trick to help with flanking for any fledgling Liss players out there, if you use her claw and have the end of it where you wanna pop out just inside the wall so enemies cant see it Liss will just pop out of the wall like a phantom when you travel to it, takes only a small bit of practice too.

I would love a game mode where they take the snowball mark from ARAM and add it in to Summoner's Rift with no other additional changes. It would completely switch up the dynamic for a lot of underserved champs.

In my opinion, the best way to play lissandra is either to play Full AP scaling and go for all ins whenever your teammates are ready for a gank. Or play her as a tank in the early game but start to play really aggresively once she hits her power spike

I've been maining Liss for some time before her passive rework and got to be one of the best Liss' world with "Don Almendro" account a couple times (definetely thanks to her low playrate tho O3O). I love your vids and definetely liked to hear of my main from you, so i wanna give my opinion on this. 1. Liss damage might feel underwhelming in the first stage of the game, when she has no built items and most fights for her are the 1v1's in lane. However, even having poor dmg (a fact) i have to say all of her 4 abilities do AoE dmg (5 if you count the passive), making it kinda easy to end up being the most dmg dealer at the end of the game, plus of her 3 abilities (again, 4 if you count the passive) applying some sort of cc or slow. 2. Liss' engage it's ridiculously obvious, but also one of the best in the game (imo). With a well done combo, you can take like 2/3 of the hp of the whole enemy team, ulting yourself, then casting q again, then zhonya. You have like 5 sec where enemies can't target you and you're still dealing dmg, so just hope any of your teammates will follow your your insane AoE dmg to end the fight. And if, at least, one enemy dies, you have that retarded AoE dmg from the passive to kill the others (it deals the most of her kit). 3. She has no survivality and a hard early mana management where you are forced to build mana items in exchange of tanky ones. That is something most Liss players had to get used to, but since they buffed her ratios, she feels like a beast with insane dmg at teamfights, even being squishy. I do love Liss and her playstyle, since hard engaging champs or super passive ones have always been my thing, but i think Liss' playrate is this low due to her appearance (people like most other champs above her) and the feeling of she being weak and unable to do flashy 1v1 plays. On the other hand, i feel like she is a monster at teamfights with all her AoE dmg and cc. The way you remind players of unused champions' great, keep it that way!

i can summarize it in ine word ; CLEANS !

I think she'd be in a good spot with one change to her Q. Give it the pantheon treatment (hold down = long range) and maybe force the long range one to be single target?

I think her passive is really good because it can lead to snowballing in attack team comps which is one of the better team comps she fits into

I mean you’ve hit the nail on the head with “she’s an all in champ/engage champ”. You have to have a team that can wombo combo when you go in or liss can follow up etc etc. it’s hard for her to lose lane as well since she’s pretty strong level 2 and even stronger level 3 with electrocute. It’s quite easy to snowball; however, late game it relies on her one pick (a carry) to cc down and try to survive. I love to play her against assassins or hard engage because you can peel, fake engage with E, bait them with your ult into a full combo. She’s just very versatile; as you stated though, her short range on Q, W, and R hurt her. She’s fun and I love her, but it sucks that all these New champs can easily counter all of her abilities.

oltho im mostly looking this when i start to play a champ i really like thise fids!

I like the new passive, although I’ve never played with the old one. I like it because it fits in with her lore where she subjugates trolls as warriors.