Why not give the ring to Gimli?

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@InDeepGeek 23 күн бұрын

This is an updated version of a video previously uploaded in Jan 2023

@dromankass8655 23 күн бұрын

No worries, I'll happily listen to it again, enjoying your descriptions of Gimli & the art work. All very good.

@danielduncan6806 23 күн бұрын

Ah, okay, I started to question reality there for a moment.

@jetsamrover 23 күн бұрын

Curious, why was it updated?

@danielduncan6806 23 күн бұрын

@@jetsamrover I think he does that periodically, to cover things that had not yet been thought of. Or maybe for corrections. I like the description he gave in this video, his musings about what Gimli would've been like had he been corrupted by the ring. I don't remember that from original.

@bomouth142 23 күн бұрын

I was wondering about that. I'm curious if your video on Isildur after claiming the ring was taken down for edits, because it's gone now.

@thebreadbringer9522 23 күн бұрын

Gimli could throw the ring into the pit, so long as Legolas dared him to do it.

@GlazedLemon 23 күн бұрын

"Certainty Of Death? Small Chance Of Success? What Are We Waitin' For?"

@MusMasi 23 күн бұрын

That still only counts as ONE!!

@theBlankScroll 23 күн бұрын

"Toss me."

@BrainboxccGames 23 күн бұрын

NOBODY TOSSES A RING!

@kineticstar 23 күн бұрын

But wouldn't have gotten the "And you'll have my axe" line.

@347Jimmy 23 күн бұрын

While it was movie-only, being the only person to ever outright attempt to destroy the Ring deserves honourable mention

@Cognitive_Ape 23 күн бұрын

Someone had to try. Up until that moment the rings was only known to be so durable based on the word of Sauron the Trustworthy.

@347Jimmy 23 күн бұрын

@@Cognitive_Ape well, most info about the Ring came from Isildur's account, but Movie Isildur wasnt a trustworthy source either (they kinda did him dirty)

@jamesadkins7150 23 күн бұрын

@@Cognitive_Apelol Sauron the Trustworthy got a great laugh, thanks 🤣

@jamesadkins7150 23 күн бұрын

@@347JimmyI was fine with the Isildur tone change, but the Faramir changes got under my skin hard

@347Jimmy 22 күн бұрын

@@jamesadkins7150 that's fair.

@justinnyugen7015 23 күн бұрын

Pros: - Resistant to succumbing to the Ring's will - Wouldn't be manhandled by Boromir - Put up a better fight against Smeagol obviously, as well as any would-be kidnapper orcs Cons: - Zero stealth. Would be spotted much sooner on the marshes by Naz Ghul, at the gates, or going up the secret path. - Zero tact. Would have probably been killed by Faramir's group because of how hostile he is. Frodo did well in de-escalating the situation - Would probably attempt to charge the front gate

@calorion 23 күн бұрын

Actually dwarves are established, in the Hobbit, as having plenty of stealth. Just less than elves or hobbits.

@user-mw2vn7pv8n 22 күн бұрын

Faramir was pretty friendly from the get go in the books, Gimli would have gotten past book Faramir

@Iscannon 22 күн бұрын

These are good reasons, better than "It was ordained!"

@34566454332 22 күн бұрын

Gimli can be very charming, "'There is nothing, Lady Galadriel', said Gimli, bowing low and stammering. 'Nothing, unless it might be - unless it is permitted to ask, nay, to name a single strand of your hair, which surpasses the gold of the earth as the stars surpass the gems of the mine. I do not ask for such a gift. But you commanded me to name my desire'."

@lomiification 22 күн бұрын

Proper con: would have killed smeagol immediately

@graemenicholls2836 22 күн бұрын

Gimli couldn't have done it because the one ring still only counts as one.

@mjohnson5030 9 күн бұрын

😂 Took me three readings, but I cackled loudly when I got it. Thanks for the belly laugh.

@i_need_a_name4977 8 күн бұрын

@@mjohnson5030 I dont get the joke. Pls explain?

@coldnoodles2951 8 күн бұрын

@@i_need_a_name4977 🐘 🏹🏹🏹🏹 still only counts as one.

@armorhide406 2 күн бұрын

@@i_need_a_name4977When he and Legolas were counting and comparing kills

@mattturner6017 23 күн бұрын

In addition to all the solid reasons you gave, I dare to add another: politics. Frodo-- in addition to being stealthy, resistant to corruption, and fated -- was an a-political choice. The Elves and Dwarves clearly had trust issues between them, and both Elrond and Gandalf were well aware of the possible dangers of entrusting the Ring to a Man of Gondor, either of the line of Stewards or of Kings. Neither Frodo as an individual nor the Shire as an entity presented any political power threats to anybody, so the Noble lines of Elves, Men, and Dwarves had no cause to fear "somebody else" gaining some kind of advantage over them.

@Nimelennar 23 күн бұрын

And that's not just on the scale of kingdoms but within the party as well. Frodo, who had never been outside the Shire, was content to delegate leadership to Gandalf. Would a Dwarf-lord, as the Ring-bearer, be so keen to be led? And if not, would Legolas submit to the commands of a Dwarf? Would Boromir? No, it was best that when the Ring started whispering treason into the hearts of the Fellowship, that there be no preexisting grievances there for those whispers to latch onto.

@lennic 22 күн бұрын

nice catch, didnt think of it like that but it makes sense!

@MusMasi 22 күн бұрын

Imagine if Frodo had taken the Ring and Started the Hobbit Empire?

@KristiaanVanErmengem 22 күн бұрын

@@MusMasi Frodo The Great

@la_scrittice_vita 22 күн бұрын

That's a good point. It sits neatly next to the Gandalf-Galadriel argument: Not resistance but damage control. _If_ a hobbit was turned, how much damage would he actually do? How much time would it take him to work himself up to be any kind of a threat. Faced with Dark Gandalf, ME is instantly screwed. Aragorn, might take a few weeks tops to get his armies in place. But Frodo? There is time for containment. It won't be fun, but it's easily the least instantaneously threatening.

@theBlankScroll 23 күн бұрын

I love that Sauron gave the dwarves rings and the dwarves were like "What rings, off with ya."

@argonianale5716 23 күн бұрын

Dwarves in any are always chads 🗿

@TETASARAIVACS 23 күн бұрын

Not really! The Dwarves cherished very much their Rings. “Gold-sickness” was a relentless drive to accumulate riches and was a consequence of their Rings. The Ring of Thrór was passed to his son Thráin (Thorin’s father), and until the Dwarves of the Lonely Mountain learned that Sauron had already taken back this Ring, they always kept searching for it. In fact, when Balin went to try and retake Moria, the main objetive was to try and get that Ring back! As Glóin tells us: “The Seven are lost to us - if Balin has not found the Ring of Thrór, which was the last; naught has been heard of it since Thrór perished in Moria. Indeed I may now reveal that was partly in hope to find that ring that Balin went away.” (Glóin, in “The Council of Elrond”)

@lomiification 22 күн бұрын

@@TETASARAIVACS gold sickness came from dragons infecting and cursing the gold, no? With morgoth's influence?

@dimestorephilosopher3308 22 күн бұрын

I don't know enough of the lore or if Tolkien even wrote it in, but it would be interesting if bc they were children of Aulë and not Ilúvatar, they were just just different enough that it didn't work.

@lynwood77 22 күн бұрын

@@lomiification Dragons don't actually have any use for gold, but hoard it anyway. "Dragon sickness," which is basically unimportant to the story as a term, is just a metaphor for greed, particularly greed that blinds the "dragon sick" to the values Tolkien (and by extension the heroes of his books) held dear: friendship, kindness, peace and pleasant company.

@joecross3708 21 күн бұрын

Gimli is one dwarf who would not have been easily ensnared! He has the eyes of a hawk and the ears of a fox..oof..

@rajeshnd 16 сағат бұрын

That's just in the movies. In the books, the "breathing loud" comment wasn't even aimed at Gimli 😁

@DillonHockett 22 күн бұрын

In 2001, a 10-year-old boy watched Gimli son of Gloin raise his axe and smash it down upon the one ring. That was his first thought. Even at 10 years old I understood the weight and significance of that action. He has been my favorite Lord of the Rings character ever since.

@rikk319 22 күн бұрын

It was a bold if foolhardy action in the film, as he was there in a council where they were democratically deciding what to do, and he jumped in with both feet as it were--even if his heart was in the right place, his head wasn't. But it showed he wasn't easily swayed, either. He didn't take any time to consider what should be done, he just said to himself, "Evil artifact? Wreck it." Pretty much the opposite of Boromir.

@DillonHockett 22 күн бұрын

@@rikk319 Oh for sure lol. Of all the intelligent decisions made in the story, this was pretty close to the bottom of the totem pole. That said, I still loved it.

@bityew 23 күн бұрын

Thank you for putting in the time to "fix" whatever you feel the need to, rather than just removing these videos-I have searched through a great muddle of Tolkien "information" on KZfaq, and you are truly one of the most reliable and thought-provoking-so I would dislike seeing your insightful content go away.

@lomiification 22 күн бұрын

It also is good for making new videos without having to do a ton of writing and video ideation. Plus, it's a known popular-to-the-algorithm topic

@victorymansions 22 күн бұрын

Everyone: see the ring and want to caress it and love it for eternity. Gimli: pulls out a massive axe and tries to smash it to smithereens.

@alicaramba7680 22 күн бұрын

He just wanted to give a bit of it for everyone who wants.

@victorymansions 6 күн бұрын

@@alicaramba7680 🤣🤣 most generous dwarf ever?

@Mav8u2 23 күн бұрын

This is still the greatest Lord Of The Rings channel ever on KZfaq. Your pleasant voice and narration skill is wholesome, inviting, and downright lovely. Please don't ever succumb to the modern trend of using the stupid AI voice that everyone uses. Also, your videos are not exhaustively long. They are to the point and disseminate the information in just the right length of time for the given topic of the day. Also, the mixture of Lord Of The Rings artwork from all different eras combined with film and television images just feels so all-encompassing and all-inclusive. Please never stop making these fantastic videos.

@rikk319 22 күн бұрын

100% agree. I also like how Robert finds quality Tolkien art online and adds it to his videos. I love seeing different artists' interpretations of the Professor's work.

@dzbanke. 23 күн бұрын

Destruction of the ring boils down to pity. Bilbo's pity, Frodo's pity and even Sam's. Nobody could make themselves voluntarily destroy the One Ring, its power over the user grew exponentially in Mount Doom, so Gimli simply couldn't do it himself. As a noble warrior, not a simple hobbit, he would not be able to show pity to Gollum, which led to its destruction.

@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t 22 күн бұрын

4:30 One thing that I think is interesting is the parallel between Gimli's desire to settle the Glittering Caves and Galadriel's wish to cross the Misty Mountains and establish a new kingdom of her own is that neither did so with the aim of conquering or toppling an existing ruler. If they had been playing a game of Civilisation, both are clearly looking for a Cultural Victory (or at least to build a Wonder, anyway), rather than to dominate others.

@roosterman84 22 күн бұрын

I figured the greatest risk with Gimli would be his loyalty to his family. He would become distracted by the idea of restoring the honor of his family and their mines.

@boatrat 23 күн бұрын

Two words. "Dwarvish Racket". As Bilbo long ago observed, Hobbits, while ALSO being "resistant" to the power of the Ring(s) in their own way... are simply much better than Dwarves at the "sneaking" part.

@jackiespeel6343 22 күн бұрын

What can the Ring offer the Hobbits that they want? More archives and family trees?

@KuK137 22 күн бұрын

@@jackiespeel6343 LOL, what a stupid way of thinking. Seeing hobbits have rich, lords, and powerful, it means they desire money and power too. How do you think Saruman found so many allies there without even trying? Tolkien's naive and rosy look falls apart when you consider they have feudalism and rich dominating everything like humans do...

@Rollacoastertycoon 22 күн бұрын

@@KuK137what a stupid way of thinking about a fantasy book? You must be smart

@jackiespeel6343 22 күн бұрын

@@KuK137 But the Ring is not Saruman - and you have not answered the question.

@jackiespeel6343 21 күн бұрын

@@KuK137The inhabitants of the Shire were in a position to expand the territory and/or have settlements outside it should they so wish - there was territory so available. Bilbo and Frodo were members of what in the UK of a previous period would have been called the squirearchy; Smeagol's grandmother was a person of influence in her community. Sam Gamgee was presented with the concept of 'dominion over territories' so presumably the other three had similar 'visions' but did not pursue it, but used the Ring for their own immediate purposes.

@jamesford2192 23 күн бұрын

Rip king theoden. Would love a video in his honor

@kineticstar 23 күн бұрын

I think the reason Sauron's rings couldn't truly affect the Dwarves was because they were not part of the Song of the Ainur. They were made later and in secret, so Sauron did not know what exactly what was needed to over come their creation. But, thats my lowly opinion.

@haga2519 23 күн бұрын

Good theory.

@Tomichika 23 күн бұрын

I like you opiniom very much 🦖

@thing_under_the_stairs 23 күн бұрын

@@Tomichika I like your dinosaur very much.

@ianover6838 23 күн бұрын

Did anyone besides Aulë know they weren't Eru's creation?

@kineticstar 23 күн бұрын

@@ianover6838 Yavanna did. That's how she got permission to create the Ents.

@TillionTirrion 23 күн бұрын

Brilliant job with this one, you speak to Gimli’s martial prowess exceedingly well.

@Sim4oo 23 күн бұрын

Last time I came this early, Sauron was still Annatar.

@benrodir2 23 күн бұрын

and wasn't a dainty elf

@ernestcline2868 23 күн бұрын

If you'd truly been early, Sauron would have still been Tevildo.

@scottgalbraith7461 11 күн бұрын

Orcs can smell a dwarf a mile away. Most probably never smelled halfling.

@BLooDCoMPleX 23 күн бұрын

Considering how the Arkenstone tempted the dwarves in Hobbit, I assume the temptation of the One Ring would be irresistible for Gimli.

@mateuszslawinski1990 23 күн бұрын

This. Dwarves were tempted by pretty jewelry twice and both times they failed. I can't really see Gimli being able to throw the Ring into the lava.

@12classics39 23 күн бұрын

@@mateuszslawinski1990it’s a canon fact that NOBODY could throw the Ring into the fire….including any dwarf. Gimli would’ve turned away at the last minute just like Frodo. And somehow I doubt Gimli would’ve treated Gollum with the same compassion as Frodo, which would’ve thus doomed the mission.

@emilrobyn4216 22 күн бұрын

@@12classics39 is it canon? do you have any sources? maybe not anyone that was in possession of the ring as long as Frodo was. but I believe Sam would have thrown the ring, and others as well if they'd only carried it for a few days. Frodo had the ring for 17 years, and being stabbed by that Morgul blade didn't make things easier. so it's a mircale he made it as far as he did. but if e.g. Isildur had given the ring to Elrond after it fell of Saurons finger (or even better Cirdan), they certainly would have been able to throw it into the fire.

@disturbed157 22 күн бұрын

@@emilrobyn4216tolkien said it in a paper i believe. Only frodo could have made it that far but eru had to intervene again to finish the job.

@IngoSchwarze 22 күн бұрын

@@emilrobyn4216 Actually, even Sam doubted he could do it and became frightened by suddenly seeing delusions of grandeur, such as he would never have considered himself capable of, when he first looked into Mordor from Cirith Ungol, wearing the ring. He feared losing essential aspects of his personality if he had to wear the ring, and that's quite plausible because it's exactly how the ring works: eliminating positive traits of personality and reinforcing dubious aspects of the personality, and such aspects exist in every mortal, even in Sam. Yes, Sam might have been even more resistant to the ring than Frodo was, but it's far from a foregone conclusion that he would have been able to throw it into the lava, even if you only consider the published text of the LotR and not later writings by JRRT.

@mattyboyb523 22 күн бұрын

It’s recently struck me how incredibly deep this story goes and how many forks in the road there were therefore there is so much to discuss and ponder about. Amazing.

@JoesCaribbeanVanLife 15 күн бұрын

Please do "Why not give the ring to an Ent?"

@Cedo86 Күн бұрын

Ent would not be able to destroy it.

@davidcooke8005 21 күн бұрын

I like the notion that it was The Ring itself that destroyed the ring. When Gollum swore to serve Frodo, he was made to swear his oath on The Ring, even as Frodo warns that It is treacherous. So at Mt Doom, when Gollum betrayed Frodo and bit The Ring and his finger off, The Ring held Gollum to his oath, and destroyed him, accidently taking itself along.

@dimestorephilosopher3308 22 күн бұрын

I think the Hobbit and LotRs showed that while the dwarves might be resistant, they are also very tempted by other things, and just like Galadriel showed that she would start with the best intentions, the temptation would be too strong. So I think Gimli or any other dwarf would have turned back before the mission was finished for some reason such as retaking Moria.

@doublestarships646 23 күн бұрын

I think only a simple person can carry the ring. No deep seeded desires that deal with the politics of their world. Frodo was truly meant to carry the ring.

@rikk319 22 күн бұрын

Frodo wasn't simple like Sam was simple, though. He was an upper-class hobbit, educated, spoke a good deal of elvish, was taught history by Bilbo, and educated on what went on outside the Shire by Gandalf. Gandalf even said he was the best of all hobbits, and while he wasn't quite as humble as Sam was, he was humble enough for all his abilities and knowledge to quietly bear the burden of the Ring for months without complaint.

@spgoo1 22 күн бұрын

The "so loud could have shot him in the dark" quote is actually directed at Sam in the book

@rajeshnd 16 сағат бұрын

Exactly! Also surprised that it was mentioned here falsely 😅

@austinalthaber4068 23 күн бұрын

Gimli was there to drink and fight. He's who we should aspire to be.

@thing_under_the_stairs 23 күн бұрын

I don't know. As a Very Short Person (TM), I prefer the Hobbit way. Eat well, drink well, stick by your friends, and enjoy some pipe weed when you can. And don't forget second breakfast!

@micklumsden3956 23 күн бұрын

The drinking? I’m with you!

@rikk319 22 күн бұрын

I like that the Fellowship was made out of different individuals, not a bunch of carbon copies of one another. I'd map out more with Aragorn, but I'd appreciate a sidekick like Gimli, a fighting and drinking buddy you can always count on.

@la_scrittice_vita 22 күн бұрын

@@micklumsden3956It comes in pints?

@marieroberts5664 23 күн бұрын

If we go by the book, only two people put themselves forward to take the Ring to Mordor: Bilbo and Frodo his heir. " 'Bilbo the silly hobbit started the whole affair, so he'd best finish it, or himself.' ... Boromir made as if to laugh, but found that no one was smiling, except for Gloin, whose smile came from old memories. " When Bilbo's offer was rejected, due in large part to his advanced old age (even tho he still maintained the vigor the Ring had acvorded him), the old Hobbit asked then who would go? And Frodo, drawn by some other far greater power, spoke: I will take the Ring to Mordor, tho I do not know the way. Gimli, nor Legolas, nor anyone else, even offered to take it to the fires. Elrond and Gandalf were so freaked out by the likelihood they would fall, they refused to take the Ring for any reason. Boromir already thought that going to Mordor was a stupid idea, as did a few of the elves, until Elrond corrected them all, and none of them offered. Boromir had come looking for counsel and alliances if possible, and so Aragorn made up his mind to go to Minas Tirith with Boromir and to go so far on the southern road until after crossing the mountains, when had Gandalf lived, he and Boromir were off to Minas Tirith and war. Aragorn was "laboring to repair Isildur's fault" and not interested in repeating Idildur's folly by claiming the Ring in any way. Elrond refused to force anyone to take this burden, so Frodo rose up to become the hero of the age, to take on a quest to cast a cursed treasure away.

@irtnyc 22 күн бұрын

Underrated comment

@12345....... 23 күн бұрын

Alright. After watching every upload for the past year, I'll subscribe

@thebatmary5954 22 күн бұрын

In the Ring’s POV, its chain of possession goes: Sauron! My guy, cool. Uh oh he’s gone but I’m picked up by the high king of men! Not too bad. Let’s ditch this guy and get to an orc and why is no one searching this riverbed?! Ok I’ll take anyone- what is this thing? It’s really short… oh, its creepy friend killed it. Another halfling. Ok imma ditch him and try to find a goblin AND WHERE ARE ALL THESE HOBBITS COMING FROM??? Ok, he’s giving me up so maybe the wizard will take me- you’ve got to be kidding me. Why. Ok, time for a journey and… What even is this Tom Bombadil guy??? He’s weird; please save me, Frodo. Ok, Council of Elrond. I’ll take anyone except another hobbit. 🤬 Ok, let’s see if that creep can get rid of this guy. C’mon, Shelob, “precious,” anyone except the gardener. Urghhhhhh. Ok, back to Frodo. I’m getting sick of all these hobbits. If the next person to take me is a hobbit, I’m leaving. Well crap. I’m out.

@faketheo3432 23 күн бұрын

is this a re-upload? I thought I've already a video on this exact question

@i.b.640 23 күн бұрын

The pinned comment says it is an update from a post in jannuary 2023

@347Jimmy 23 күн бұрын

There's probably some updated info, if not at least editing wording from the original Definitely an update, as opposed to a straightforward re-upload

@faketheo3432 23 күн бұрын

got it. there just was no pinned comment yet, when I wrote mine 😅

@ImagineMySurprise510 11 күн бұрын

Another factor that is overlooked is that when Sauron poured his power into the Ring while making it, he gave it the power to prevent anyone, even himself, from destroying it. So that means that Gimli would not have been able to cast it into the fire, and in fact Frodo wasn't able to do this for the same reason. If it wasn't for the 'chance' of the mad capering of Gollum and falling accidently over the edge, the Ring would not have been destroyed.

@matthewtressider9371 23 күн бұрын

I have a theory sort of off topic but related. I fell Sauron intended for the dwarves to dig deeper and remove them selves from Middle Earth. Morgoth and Sauron both a fail at times against the dwarves and he knew they would be more trouble than worth. He never tried to control them just kind of turned up and gave them the rings.

@rikk319 22 күн бұрын

I also think Morgoth was jealous of Aule for making the dwarves. Morgoth had always wanted to create, especially life, and Aule (though with help from Eru) created the dwarves. Maybe Morgoth didn't realize Eru helped Aule. Either way, maybe Morgoth held a special grudge against Aule and, through him, his creations.

@juskahusk2247 20 күн бұрын

1:27 They should have made this hot evil Galadriel vision into a 9 hour trilogy.

@JohnnyREB1977 23 күн бұрын

I’m not so sure I agree with this. Sure, the Dwarves were a resistant people. But, the 3, the 7, and the 9 were all lesser rings and were connected to the One Ring, correct? So, to me it seems those lesser rings would logically have less control on the Dwarves in particular. But, the One Ring? That was imbued with much of Sauron’s will and power. As much as I like Giimli, I think he’d have succumbed. It just would’ve taken longer.

@dromankass8655 23 күн бұрын

I agree that given enough time and exposure, all who came in contact with the One Ring would have been corrupted. I also like that in the Books, the Dwarves of the Lonely Mountain turn down the chance to have some of the Seven Rings of power back. Prior to the Council of Elrond an Emissary of Mordor came to them, and spoke with Dain, asking for news of 'The Shire' and of 'Hobbits' and where they may be found. The sinister figure told the dwarves that a thief had taken a ring, a little ring, the least of rings, a mere trinket that Sauron desires. Bring news of this thief or where he could be found, and they would have the friendship of Mordor. Bring Sauron the Ring itself, and he would give the three remaining Rings of the Seven (the other four having been consumed by the dragons), as he had given on old. To his great credit, Dain did not consider betraying Bilbo or the Hobbits of the Shire, and instead played for time, telling the dark Emissary that 'I must consider this message and it's true meaning'. 'Do not take long.' 'I will take as long as I need, for my time is my own.' 'For the moment.' Retorted the Emissary. Dain, having got the measure of the Emissary, did not feel tempted by the offers of Rings or friendship or cowed by the threats. Instead he acted swiftly, dispatching Gloin and Gimli to Rivendell (and to the Shire if need be) to warn the White Council and Bilbo that the power of Mordor was seeking him and his Ring, and that he needed to get to a place of safety. Perhaps you can't fool the dwarves the same way twice, or they had learned to beware of Dark Lords bearing gifts . . .

@DevinDTV 8 күн бұрын

The premise is that he'd be resistant, not immune.

@jonfiedler7639 4 сағат бұрын

really enjoying the videos. great work!

@MoonlightHorizon-ev7ev 12 күн бұрын

Him posessing the ring at that moment he found out his kin were dead in moria could've been disastrous. Vengeful sorrow combined with ultimate power seems like it could end badly.

@BrainboxccGames 23 күн бұрын

great videos as ever! keep it up, I'm always looking forward to new content

@12classics39 23 күн бұрын

I think a big reason why it had to be a hobbit was that, until Gollum’s torture, Sauron had no idea what hobbits were. Chances are he doesn’t even know what a regular hobbit looks like. So it would be much harder for Sauron to spot a hobbit in Mordor since he’s so unfamiliar with them. Whereas he is quite familiar with dwarves and would’ve easily seen Gimli.

@Nokyyyyy 23 күн бұрын

"Since Gimli got the one ring, he started digging even deeper and more greedily than ever." "Did he awaken another Balrog ?" "Worse than that it is, a Warden, from the ancient cities of sculk" "Dear lord."

@lomiification 22 күн бұрын

Minecraft really needs to add a balrog. If you dig far enough through bedrock in the nether, you're comfronted by a balrog that has 1000x the health of a wither, causes everyone to catch fire with fire resist/gapples changing that to half damage, and weapons that one shot kill anyone with full protection (all of the protections at the same time V), and can throw fireballs that break bedrock. A proper final boss of the whole game

@Cast-Carnival 22 күн бұрын

@@lomiification L minecraft take

@hasan6698 22 күн бұрын

@@lomiification Your comment reminded me how I would imagine the new and powerful stuff that I would love to be added to Minecraft when I was a kid. It's gotta be nice to be able to think of possible new stuff from your perspective, try to not lose that perception

@Nokyyyyy 22 күн бұрын

@@lomiification this is a mod I wouldn't play. It doesn't sound fun to fight :( But I appreciate the idea ! Also, how do you want to dig through bedrock ?

@mercurydylan899 22 күн бұрын

In the book I seem to remember it’s Sam who is jibed for being a loud breather.

@Kennylaggins 23 күн бұрын

Dwarves aren’t resistant to the lure of beautiful jewelry. 😂

@patriciofernandez6500 20 күн бұрын

3:00 what a beautiful drawing!

@user-ss9bt6dg3h 23 күн бұрын

I love your videos. Your content is interesting and your voice is strangely soothing.

@pawbard 23 күн бұрын

Thanks Robert

@XianHu 23 күн бұрын

Dwarves seem to be generally resistant to influences. Like Gimli’s line about Saruman, The wotds of this wizard stand on their heads, etc. Though I agree with everything you said.

@refragerator 19 күн бұрын

It would be interesting to know if Gimli would have even wanted to bear the ring, had they asked him. Considering his very dwarven stubborness and upbringing, I could easily see him look at the ring and shaking his head, grumbling about why Elves would make a dwarf wear something that evil. The Gimli at the start of the fellowship, I feel, would have denied it and the Gimli at the end of the story would have acted much like Sam, carrying it only at a time for someone else who was too weak.

@BrandonRohe 22 күн бұрын

We can always rely on great content from you!

@caryrogers9676 22 күн бұрын

I believe that you are getting the book and the movie confused about whose breathing was so loud the elves could have shot him in the dark. In the book they said this about Sam. The movie used the line as comedy by giving it to Gimli.

@rikk319 22 күн бұрын

Good spotting! Sam even covered up his mouth after Haldir relayed this from his brother...was it Orophin?

@whatdothlife4660 22 күн бұрын

6:00 is an exquisite painting.

@johannesnagengast7643 11 күн бұрын

Well he at least couldn’t run away with the ring. 🤣

@Richard_Nickerson 22 күн бұрын

Gimli is the only 1 of the trio who is injured at Helm's Deep. He has a bloody head bandage. Also, Legolas ABSOLUTELY *let* Gimli win. Legolas gives his number 2nd, makes it lower by only 1, & is simply elated to see Gimli alive. He had been separated from Legolas & Aragorn for hours.

@Sasso-pf1mo 21 күн бұрын

Its been at least 6 weeks since I watched the entire saga..time to watch again

@user-ub1dz8js7s 22 күн бұрын

I've been thinking about this exact same question for a little while. only about 35 years

@beagcradh4510 9 күн бұрын

As a heart akin to Gimli, i'll explain where things 'fall apart'. Innate and honed strength, beget a deeper hubris as elders would call it, the issue with this is a soul like mine at the point of 'needing to destroy' the ring would be prone to its whispers that 'Others were just fragile or lacking'. Pride and self-confidence too are a weakness when over-cultivated and that is why Gimli would have been a poor choice, he'd of made it to the finish line, only to risk absolute consumption over a slow-burn period.

@rom65536 23 күн бұрын

Dwarves have the phrase "You ain't the boss o' me!" stamped on their souls.

@IngoSchwarze 22 күн бұрын

Except that they said exactly the opposite and begged for mercy when Eru commanded Aulë to destroy the presumptuous sub-creation of his, and Aulë raised his hammer to smash them. But probably you are right that bowing to Aulë and bowing to a being of lesser rank than one of the chief Valar are two completely different things.

@rikk319 22 күн бұрын

@@IngoSchwarze Eh, that was right after they were created, being in the presence of their creator and the God of the universe, it's not surprising.

@acediadekay3793 19 күн бұрын

Here is a wild one for you: What if Sauron had the power of the industrial revolution on their side? (Napoleonic age) Would Sauron be able to mach our individual might? (Muskets - Rockets - Hot air balloon's - Steam powered factories) Or would the Army of Mordor crumble if faced with exploding mortar shells and bouncing cannonballs rained down upon it?

@mbryson2899 23 күн бұрын

"We really shook the pillars of Heaven, didn't we, Wang?" Gimli was definitely a Jack Burton style sidekick. Otnay ootay itebray, but a perfect member of a hero's company.

@rikk319 22 күн бұрын

He was more serious, quiet, and grim-humored in the book at times, but he could be positive and eager to communicate with his teammates. I remember multiple times in the book where Gimli was the one arguing out a course of action with Gandalf or Boromir or Aragorn. He was 139 years old during the War of the Ring after all--older than Aragorn at 87, so he had a fair store of wisdom in his head. I still like the comparison to Jack Burton, since I love Big Trouble In Little China. "We really shook the pillars of Orthanc, didn't we Legolas?"

@mjohnson5030 9 күн бұрын

Great video. Thanks. The lack of stealth, tactics nor diplomacy would have doomed a "Gimli Ringbearer" Fellowship. Gimli would have charged and triggered a fight against everyone when not appropriate: Boromir, elves, Faromir and the Rohirim, , the Rangers, the Mountain Ghosts... I love the character Gimli, he was good and brave, but he would have failed with the ring for certain.

@engine4403 22 күн бұрын

starts to feel like the council of elrond decided everything from destroying the ultimate weapon of evil to deciding if the orcs should be fought on tuesday or thursday

@leirumf5476 9 күн бұрын

Gimly: the ring is mine, my precious! Legolas: you know, an elf would be able to drop the ring into the lava. Gimly: Say no more * drops the ring *

@sonokawaray 6 күн бұрын

Thing is, Frodo was right for the job not just because of his resistance to the ring, but because he was also the perfect compromise pick as ringbearer. Everyone could see him with the ring and accept, "well, at least that bull-headed dwarf/dainty elf/weak-minded human doesn't have it." Gimli getting it could have resulted in at least one party walking out, and we see in canon how essential everyone was to Middle-Earth's victory. There's also the issue that, unless you're Tom Bombadil, no one is 100% immune to the ring's corruption. Frodo didn't have much latent ambition for it to play off of, but was exhausted enough physically and mentally by the end of the journey that he succumbed. Gimli has the opposite stats --- could get there and back again without breaking nearly as much of a sweat, but he's got big dreams for his family and people (lest we forget how psyched he is at the idea of Moria being reclaimed) that the ring could use to sway him into abandoning the mission. At that point either the rest of the Fellowship stops him and the ring changes hands to someone more easily influenced by it, or this skilled dwarven warrior overpowers everyone and goes home with it. And sure, Sauron can't control him, but what matters is that the ring would still be out there, safely in the hands of someone who can eventually be hunted down.

@TheEggroll4321 7 күн бұрын

It had to be Frodo because Frodo is an avatar for the reader and he didnt have a foil like Gollem was to Frodo

@procrastinator9 22 күн бұрын

I have always loved Gimli ever since I read the book for the first time back when I was in junior high school. Gimli inspired me to always play a dwarf when my fellow nerds got together to play D&D (back when it wasn't the abomination that RPGs became). He prompted my life long affinity for 3rd fiddles. I was always a George Harrison or Peter Tork or bass player fan. Gimli rocks. The solid back up without whom the ensemble would be evidently less and yet whose star rarely outshone the front men.

@animoetprudentia2865 21 күн бұрын

It's easy to suggest Sam was the hero in the story due to his heroics and courage at the most crucial moments in the journey. But Sam would've never been afforded the opportunity were it not for Gandalf. His decision to give Sam the "job" of escorting Frodo to Bree is what made destroying the ring possible. He was in all ways the living hand of Eru in that beloved tale.

@Oppai264 22 күн бұрын

"He was twitching..." "He's twitching. Because he's got MY AXE IMBEDDED IN HIS NERVOUS SYSTEM."

@saladinbob 22 күн бұрын

There's another very good reason why it would have ended in disaster that you didn't cover in the video and that is politics. The Elves and Dwarves almost come to blows over the idea of other taking ownership of the ring, so it most likely would have ended up in a war between the Dwarves and Elves further weakening the the free peoples and very effectively handing Middle Earth to Sauron without even needing the One Ring. The complex politics of Middle Earth is something often overlooked.

@pop5678eye 3 күн бұрын

Fun fact: the actor playing Gimli in the movies was 6' 1' which ironically worked out for the better since he was already proportionally taller to the actors playing the hobbits.

@liamstrand9295 16 күн бұрын

From my understanding the rings are very valuable to the elfs, and even if it defeats Sauron it would be kind of bittersweet for them as their kingdoms would fall with time. Having that burden be carried by a dwarf (one of the elf’s most prominent enemy) would likely not sit well with them and would create tension within the fellowship. (Now I’m gonna watch the video lol)

@AeronHale 22 күн бұрын

If not for Frodo was not an option for whatever reason Gimli would have been quite likely been a good next choice for the job. It would be interesting to see what would've happened if Aragorn was chosen as the ring bearer however. I suspect he may have been an even better choice than Gimli. He may lack the natural resistance that dwarves have but he has shown he can contend directly with Sauron in a battle of will through the Palantír and even duped the dark lord into thinking he had the ring. There's also a number of other factors that one could point out like his lineage's history with Sauron and the ring. Or the fact that he is a natural leader who also wields Andúril which is a weapon of peerless make & an even more potent symbol of defiance against Sauron.

@henrikg1388 22 күн бұрын

Sure. I agree that he might have been the second best choice, but however resistant he was to its will, when push comes to shove, he would still be outnumbered 10:1 and the only way to turn that tide would be to claim the Ring and take control of those armies. End result: A new Dark Lord. The only other option would be an Aragorn who sneaked into Mordor, not showing off with his strength, and why would he be better at that than Frodo?

@AeronHale 22 күн бұрын

@@henrikg1388 I don't necessarily think he would be better off than Frodo at sneaking through Mordor. Hobbits afterall are some of the stealthiest mofos in LOTR just by nature. Just that if Frodo isn't an option that he would likely be the next best choice because he does have the necessary skillset in addition to what I listed above.

@henrikg1388 22 күн бұрын

@@AeronHale I think we agree. 🙂

@Me_Caveman 9 күн бұрын

Gimli could have done it, but he would have walked up to the gates of Mordor and yelled at the orcs until they sallied forth and destroyed him in battle.

@longone844 20 күн бұрын

Looking forward to the ‘Why didn’t they gave the ring to Gaffer Gamgee’ video.

@DamonNomad82 8 күн бұрын

Gaffer Gamgee wins the all-time Shire Gardening Grand Prize for using the Ring to grow taters larger than trolls...

@longone844 8 күн бұрын

@@DamonNomad82 very 10th Kingdom of Gaffer Gamgee 😂

@juanivangonzalez5842 11 күн бұрын

On the one hand if the Seven Rings are an indication Rings of Power can make dwarves go mad. He might not turn into a Gollum until a long, long time and he has no magic powers to abuse. On the other hand youd have a very angre, insane dwarf running around with an axe.

@BetterCallSauS 7 күн бұрын

Canon FACT: *Gimli was already nearly overburdened with the items in his inventory, and adding the weight of the ring would have maxed out his weight, leaving him with a top speed akin to that of a snail.*

@skipper4126 18 күн бұрын

In short, Gimili was too powerful to trust with the ring.

@Law0086 8 күн бұрын

Short indeed.

@bigworm2051 23 күн бұрын

Gimli forever 💪🏽

@dbf1dware 17 күн бұрын

Hello, Robert. First, fantastic stuff! Second, a question if you don't mind. What is your profession? Are you an academic? A professor, historian, or similar? The reason I ask is that your stuff always seems so meticulously researched and, of course, exquisitely presented. Every video is like a deep lecture on Tolkien lore. Thanks.

@BrynLipinski 22 күн бұрын

Okay of all the Lord Of The Rings quotes, that one by Elrond must be Robert's favourite

@rikk319 22 күн бұрын

It was a really pivotal point Elrond (and thus Tolkien) made, that quote.

@ronnie9187 8 күн бұрын

All just difficult solutions. The easy one is to give the Ring to the eagles, they could drop it into mount doom and the case is closed. But then... we wouldn't have this beautiful book!

@riseofatlas7969 20 күн бұрын

Will you do video about late king Teoden? Your video are great as always 🙏

@mycastephens4987 22 күн бұрын

Still waiting on a video discussing why Sauron never used dragons. I know the answer, they only answered to Morgoth, but I like hearing your take on things.

@MountainFisher 23 күн бұрын

I always wondered the same since dwarves didn't disappear when wearing a great ring and they could not "fade" as Gandalf put it. Gollum had it for centuries as well, but he didn't wear the Ring all the time as it began to eat at him. After Gollum lost the Ring to Bilbo Gandalf referred to Gollum as recovering from it. An odd thing to say yet true, it wasn't eating at him anymore and Gollum like Bilbo got better. Remember Bilbo said to Frodo in Rivendell he often thought of returning to Bag End to get it back, but Elrond and Gandalf stopped him. It's as though he thought Frodo would give it back, but he would've been sorely mistaken. Gandalf I'm sure would not have let him go back regardless knowing that trying to take the Ring back from Frodo would have created an unrepairable rift between them. Bilbo just asking Frodo to let him hold it created a picture in Frodo's mind of a bony wraith-like creature that made Frodo want to strike him. It wouldn't have that effect on Gimli, but Gimli's destiny wasn't down that path. As Gimli said later in Minas Tirith in the Quest For Erebor chapter of Unfinished Tales Tolkien wrote that Gimli looked at Gandalf after Gandalf told about how he had told Frodo that Bilbo was meant to find the Ring and Frodo was meant to take it to be destroyed. Gimli looked hard at Gandalf and asked if he was meant to guide them to their final ends. I wished I could remember the reply by Gandalf exactly, but he knew he was meant to do what he'd done. Gimli's path was to go with Legolas to Valinor after the death of King Elessar to see the beauty of the Lady Galadriel once more before he died. If he'd taken the Ring he may have never gone that way to meet her.

@VasinSkulphichetrut 22 күн бұрын

What’s about “…over you gold shall have no dominion.” from Galadriel.

@yasi1890 23 күн бұрын

But did Eru Iluvatar send the eagles? I always assumed they where sent by Manwë...

@whateverjustposting 17 күн бұрын

unrelated to this specific topic, but other than the eagles the plot point that always has been hard for me to reconcile is the fact that gandalf would leave frodo to transport the ring himself, even as close as bree - which isnt actually even that close, while he goes and confirms his suspicions. if there was even the slightest shadow of a suspicion in his mind it seems to me the smartest course of action is to escort frodo to rivendell where he is 100% safe (for the time being) while he then goes to hunt down gollum/confer with saurumon. from what i remember gandalf doesnt even really learn all that much new about the ring in that time, just some accounts from isildur about how the ring made him feel and that there is writing that should appear after throwing it in fire. this isnt a trifling inconvenience. the magnitude of what this ring could be is enough to take seriously even if he ends up being wrong. its like finding a kid holding a gun shaped object and telling them to hide it while you leave them alone to go ask someone else if its loaded.

@venkelos6996 22 күн бұрын

And in a story where various people had destinies, it's not like Gimli got left out there. Had he been expected to carry the Ring, I feel like he wouldn't have had the chance to do certain things that, for his part, changed the world, or certain people in it. Hell, maybe it might have been neat to see an Elf and a Dwarf build their friendship through adversity, skulking through Mordor, but I think it was better they be where they ended up. Gimli and Galadriel probably wouldn't have had the same interaction between them if Gimli was also carrying the burden; we'd have to wonder about the honesty of it, and whether she was merely trying to shore him up, as the Ring-bearer? Sure, because the active story wraps up where it does, we don't get a lot of info, apart from dome Cliff's Notes, in the appendices, so we don't get a lot of examples of some new peace between the Elves and the Dwarves; the Eldar fade, or leave, while the Deep Folk retire below, and also fade, in the progression of Man's Dominion, but they might not have gotten even there without the Gimli and Legolas we DID get.

@calorion 23 күн бұрын

4:54 "It's just that he wouldn't have been controlled by Sauron." Now wait a minute; there's no indication that *any* of them would have been controlled by Sauron if they had taken the Ring. But they *would* have turned to evil, and that, perhaps would have been the difference.

@irtnyc 22 күн бұрын

I agree with this refutation. I think more likely they would displace Sauron over time, and now we're in the new Dune film universe: the Harkonens leave Arakkis suddenly, and Villanueve has Chani ask in voiceover "Who will our new oppressors be?" We know it COULD have been Galadriel, or Gandalf, a Balrog, presumably Aragorn maybe... definitely not Bombadil, any hobbit we know of. But we still don't know about the dwarves let alone Gimli. I think the video fails to answer the question it asks. Why not Gimli? The answer can't just be, because it's a hobbit centric story. We're already in alt universe so that dog don't hunt.

@rikk319 22 күн бұрын

@@irtnyc Good thoughts. Knowing how inward-seeking and introverted dwarves were, I think if the Ring corrupted Gimli, he'd have brought it back to the Lonely Mountain and eventually used it to become lord or King under the Mountain, and as time passed he'd have likely thought of reclaiming Moria. Of course, Sauron and his armies would still be around, though he'd be focusing on Gondor for the most part, he still sent an Easterling army to Erebor/Dale, and would have eventually figured out that Gimli had the Ring. I doubt there were enough dwarves to rally behind Gimli to fight off all of Sauron's armies he'd send to Erebor, and Gimli wouldn't be able to use the Ring like an istari or an elf like Galadriel, so he'd likely lose it to Sauron after making wall of orc and troll bodies around him.

@danielduncan6806 23 күн бұрын

Gimli with the ring of power? After your description, I want to read that book, watch that movie, play that game.

@garychartier8365 22 күн бұрын

I think this is really interesting argument, but I'm inclined to believe that your final point turns the order of explanation around. That is, if we want to talk about ordination, the ordination reflects the other features of the situation you've already mentioned. Ordination is not a separate explanatory variable. Rather, it is an acknowledgment of Gimli's deficiencies and Frodo's unexpected strengths.

@davidioanhedges 13 күн бұрын

Gimli's role was always, with Legolas, to heal the rift between the Dwarves and the Elves, to unite them for the final battles in case Frodo faltered ... and the moment when the Elves decided to give him a chance, was when Gladriel asked him to name anything, and it would be his, and what they thought of as a greedy, blundering Dwarf, bashfully refused, saying he wanted nothing, just seeing her was enough, but when pushed repeatedly, he tentatively asked, if permitted, for a single hair to remember her by, and she gave what she had refused to Faenor three times, and gave him three golden hairs ...

@ainiel7602 15 күн бұрын

Well, for starters he didn't offer to take it. They couldn't force someone.

@jmace2424 21 күн бұрын

I always suspected that Gimli if given the Ring would basically do what Thorin did under gold madness and hole up in Erebor.

@bad72690 22 күн бұрын

Every time I hear about Iluvitar it just undercuts the entire story so hard. "If he could not find a way then no one will." Well apparently there was no chance he wouldn't find a way.

@TheStrudelJonny 22 күн бұрын

Galadriel said it herself when Frodo arrived to her realm-the ring would destroy them one by one and the fellowship would fail.

@codyklews4696 20 күн бұрын

Strong video, brilliant logic, but I will say that I have always found in-universe divine determinism as reasoning for why things happen always feels particularly weak. I think it’s because it doesn’t rely on logic at all but instead is just kinda hand-wavy. The other reasons felt strong and complete but the divine mandate felt like a weaker reason

@whitmerule2753 19 күн бұрын

Re. stealth, you're confusing movie comedy with the book lore. Tolkiens' Dwarves aren't actually so clumsy as we like to think when we compare them to light-footed Elves and sneaky Hobbits. (Though prim smug Bilbo might disagree.) In Lothlorien, the line 'they say you breathe so loud they could have shot you in the dark' is aimed at Sam, not Gimli - and just a few paragraphs earlier, Gimli was leaning down to listen to the ground in response to Frodo's instinctive fear of a following enemy (Gollum) , so he is at that point being portrayed as a character capable of doing the whole stealthy ranger thing, if not to the extent that Aragorn does.

@scottleneau6221 21 күн бұрын

"When Sam wore the ring, the orc saw him as a mighty warrior, and that was Sam." But... Sam defeated Shelob. His bravery was absolutely legendary in that chapter. I think the ring was just showing the Orcs who he actually was.