The real heros are the countless UNSC Marines who went into battle knowing full well that they probably wouldn't return. They were truly the backbone.

ODST: "We don't get any recognition!" Pelican Pilot: "Name one pelican pilot other than Foehammer?"

Missed a big point in that Spartans were overall misunderstood in general. They never took off their armor(and when they did, they were sickly pale), they did inhuman feats of speed and strength, were absolutely massive(height and weight), were raised with military training which lead to them talking "like robots" or not much at all, could stand unnaturally still, and most of the details of what they went through or even the fact that they started as children were hidden from most people. They were overall incomprehensible to anyone without most of the facts. ODST training was incredibly difficult and the idea that there was something above them was difficult to mentally grasp.

But odst carry a certain fear about them....a spartan shows up and people are like "wow a spartan were saved, never thought I'd see one." ODST shows up...people be like "damn we must be really fucked if they are dropping ODSTs here"

ODST: "We don't get any recognition!" UNSC Army: "We hardly even exist -.-"

Spartan-II's: exist ODST's: and I took that personally.

ODST:"We get no recognition." Me: *Constantly body blocking the ODST from fuel rods trying to help him survive The Ark*

Master Chief: *Defends himself against unprovoked attacks* ODSTs: "What a piece of shit"

ODST: "We don't need no Spartan!" Master Chief: "Tell that to the Covenant."

Halo Legends "The Babysitter" has a good take on the one side nature of the rivalry.

John 117 absolutely misunderstood the situation that was at hand. This story comes from the book The Fall of Reach. Yes, it happens after an augmentation and John feels off because of his enhanced strength. He takes the pin and uses calculus to determine the weight divided by height and the pull of gravity to realize that the ship's gravitational rotation wasn't off, his body was. When the ODSTs entered and almost got injured by the unsecured weight pin, John tries to diffuse the situation politely. The ODSTs were the aggressors. When their CO told them to get into the ring, it was only then that John snapped into purpose because he was given orders to engage. After the devastating outcome, John approaches Chief Mendez confused at why he was seemingly in trouble. He was emotionally distraught because all he did was what he had been rigorously trained for since early ages of childhood; follow orders. That's when Chief Mendez gives the valuable wisdom that sometimes the orders aren't going to be cut and dry, black and white. Sometimes they'll be confusing or even conflicting, but they are orders nonetheless. The ODSTs were in the wrong by trying to engage John before a CO told them to resolve it in the ring. There is zero theory against John within the source material regarding this encounter because he lacked comprehensible knowledge of how extensive the augmentation was for his body and mind. This is a huge turning point mentally and emotionally for John's military career in that particular chapter.

I would like to add that because of the surgery he had massive hormone imbalance, he had a five o clock shadow and was 6’5 at 14, they clearly though he was an adult

ONI: Intentionally starts feud between a young Spartan and 3 ODSTs The Bullfrogs during the fall of Reach: "Yo, Noble! You guys wanna take some jump jets and hop around a city with us!"

The only chill ODSTs were the bullfrog I feel like they had a good time with six since he also saved them while evacuating

“The…SPARTAN-II[s]…like the Master Chief? Back when I was a[n ODST], they always struck me as glory-hungry bullet-catchers…The best thing they did for the rest of us on the field of battle was draw enemy fire. That’s no small benefit, mind you, and I got nothing against the Master Chief himself. I’ve met him. Fought alongside him. He’s a good Joe. You know, for a genetically engineered superhuman who was kidnapped at six years old to be shaped into a killing machine. He never morphed into a monster and tried to bite my head off. Not once.” - Edward Buck, circa 2555

I really liked the “The babysitter” episode of Halo legends. The ODST’s hated the Spartan until she sacrificed herself in the end to save them. Making them realize that Spartan’s were soldiers willing to fight for others just like them.

There is one ODST who is in our hearts more than a Spartan. They called him Rookie. Gone but never forgotten ✊🏽

ODSTs: *have legs and lungs* Master Chief: *heavy breathing*

“How’d you get to being paralyzed?” “My spine got broken by a 14 year old.”

"Rivalry" is too strong a word for the fact that most Spartan-II's were utterly unaware of why the regulars were so angry at them while they were there to slap ass and nothing else. Spartan-III's had little contact with soldier's outside their units and Spartan-IV's are taken from exceptional soldiery to be augmented and fitted with state of the art mjolnir armor, so the IV's would probably have some former ODST's thrown in there and would probably have more amicable relations with the regular human soldiers.

I feel like the blame on Spartans is fully misplaced. All the grievances ODST's have with Spartans are not the fault of the Spartans, but was conducted by ONI and their propaganda.

Chief in lore: completely disables 10 ODST's in just 22 seconds Chief in games: *_Cries in sniper jackal_*

This was well explained in the book. John was taught to win, to neutralize his enemies. The ODST became his enemies when they challenged him.

ODSTs in game: “Yo shit we got a Spartan.” ODSTs in lore: “ah fuck we got a Spartan can’t wait to get no credit.”

Imagine if john just hit them all in the pelvis. He would be known as BallBreaker.

"Broken ribs.." He just vibe checked a guy in the chest and he died

I never get tired of this story. Seeing how strong Spartan IIs are without their armor always blows me away

Even the Spartans who were damaged, broken in battle or crippled by the augmentations still wanted to do everything they could to help. The worst thing to them was to not to be able to serve, to be thrown away as useless.

ODSTs: WE HATE SPARTANS Also ODSTs: *Get turned into Spartan 4s* Homies make up your damn minds.

Using kidnapped children as child soldiers: I sleep Using war orphans instead: *R E A L S H I T*

Well let’s think. ODST were recruited from volunteers based on their skills within the marines. Spartans were child soldiers, kidnapped, indoctrinated, replaced with flash clones, and in the case of the Spartan-III sent out in suicidal raids to die.

Something that isn’t mentioned as someone who’s read quite a bit of lore/books is that John thought it was an ordinary test. As regularly the Spartans were normally tested like this in these circumstances and were required to kill. He thought it was an exercise, as explained in the books.

9:24 "ONI were in the wrong for orchestrating the situation to begin with." I feel like that sums up many of Humanity's non-Covenant problems.

Lets be real here, the main reason is because it faster to kill an ODST in your warthog than it is to ask them to get out.

ODST: "We don't get any recognition!" *looks at me* me: *holding a Rookie ODST plushie* ODST: nvm

John *defends himself against ODSTs trying to kill him without even killing any of them* The rest of the ODSTs: So I took that personally.

Four ODSTs vs one Spartan trainee. Moral of the story: Doesn’t matter how much you’ve accomplished, don’t let pride get the better of you.

To be fair for the ODSTs that fought John, John was described as looking like an 18 year old Olympic athlete

“This goes further than a simple superiority complex” Proceeds to highlight how it’s exactly a superiority complex

Counterpoint: Spartans were known as “Spartans”, ODSTs may’ve been overlooked in their achievements but Spartans were literally just a symbol, they didn’t and don’t technically have names. They’re just a weapon, can’t be mad at a gun for being a gun. Spartans don’t look for thanks or recognition, they just do the job because it’s the job.

To be fair, the odst's that fought john probably didint know he was 14. It was said that before the augmentations John looked like an 18yo Olympic Athlete at age 14.

The UNSC when a Spartan loses a limb: here's some more cybernetics. The UNSC when an ODST has his spine broken: sorry mate but you're absolutely screwed, nothing we can do, you'll never walk again.

Just a quick thing about John; if you're fighting against the odds, as in a stronger opponent, more opponents or in that case both. Your mind goes to a more brutal place, you're not thinking about just disabling the opponents you're thinking about making it out alive. This plus as you said he probably wasn't aware of how strong he really was, he was still learning that gravity didn't effect him the same so I can totally understand him not being held accountable for his actions, plus he was devastated to learn he killed allies. Totally understand why the ODSTs would be mad and hate him for it (and all Spartans) but I just thought it was a thing of note is all :> great video like always

ODST Sarge "settle this in the ring" 14 year old 117 "im about to end this man's whole career."

Imagine working your ass off to be part of the best special forces ever only to be sidelined by some magical faceless super soldier

Welp, that explains why my ODST AI team accidentally fires rockets at me right after I gave him one.🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

One thing that lives rent free in my mind is the part in Halo 1 where they first introduced The flood and that one marine went crazy and started shooting u with his pistol. I put him down everytime

Dude, respect for how you asked for subs. Thanks for telling us why it matters to you and the effect it has on your channel instead of just screaming at me to do so. I am and have been subscribed.

ODSTs: You took everything from me Spartans: I don't even know who you are

Have you already done one on how buck becoming a Spartan affected him in relation to his former fellow ODST’s

Oni has the technology to make genetically enhanced super soldiers but they still can’t fix paralysis 🤣

As a veteran thank you for pointing out that in a fight we're fighting for each other. And the anger is most certainly misdirected at the Spartans. It would take a complete douchebag to tell hardened warriors because yes the ODST is the definition of a warrior to fight a child. It would take a bigger douchebag to fight a child, I don't pity those men. Nor do I pity the ODST who fell when they attacked Master Chief, they could have said no and disobeyed orders that were clearly a threat to humanity, instead they attacked.

Ackerson deserves everything that happens to him. I'm glad in the old books Cortana got some great revenge on him.

Remember how the security guy said he wasn't impressed by the Doom Slayer?

I love the ODST or "Hell Jumpers" as their skills on the battlefield are incredible. However, Spartans are legendary and in a class of their own. They can do what entire platoons of ODST cannot. Furthermore, without the Spartans ability to hold the line and win battles decisively...the ODST would have been wiped out along with all of humanity. I believe the Spartans deserve the superstar status they have earned through blood, sweat, and tears as the true deciding factor in destroying our enemies. That doesn't mean the Hell Jumpers or any other Marine doesn't deserve to be honored for their incredible bravery but we have to give credit where credit is due. Hopefully, we see an end to the needless feud between the ODST and Spartans. I don't think ODST has been made obsolete by the Spartan program. No more than the Navy Seals have made the Green Berets obsolete. They all have their roles and ODST far, far, far outnumber the Spartans.

Your content is fantastic. It’s easy to see how well researched it is as it’s incredibly accurate! Thanks for your hard work! Us fans really appreciate it!

"he did that all... in 22 seconds" I shouldn't be laughing but that was funny

Imagine being kidnapped at a young age... -This comment was made by the ODST gang

John didn't mean to kill those ODSTs, he just didn't know his own strength

I appreciate your honesty and transparency on asking for people to subscribe. Also very accurate lore which can be hard to find in an enjoyable and subtle style. Subscribed!

The thing is the Spartans helped save humanity. If they didn’t exist ODSTs wouldn’t have been able to do jack shit in comparison.

*Spartan II* : I lost almost all of my brothers and sisters *ODST's* : Bastard you took my place! *UNSC Marine* : Bruh, we're cannon foder... Humanity's grunts. *Planetary Armyman* : Wait you guys get mentioned!?

Just wanted to express my gratitude for your channel and the content you make, I've recently been fascinated by the Halo lore and your videos have been quenching that thirst.

Kinda feels similar. I was a Paratrooper. Friend was a Recon Marine. Each of us were very proud of our training and how we performed when compared to regular line units that we may train or be around. But because neither of us were part of SOCOM (Green Berets, Rangers, Seals, Raiders, etc.) we never actually DID anything that regular line infantry didn't do. So we kinda despise SOCOM. Not the troops in it, but that we "specialized" units are now irrelevant.

ODST: *challenges john* John: So you have chosen death

As a former paratrooper, I see similarities beyond jumping out of aircraft.

Loved it - really well put together

7:18 "And the final one, he fractured his spine, paralyzing him for life." - This is why I have a frustrating disrespect for 343 and Halo writers. 500years in the future, they can do all those genetic and neuro-synaptic enhancements, literal neural interfaces, which is literally grafting synapses together, to hundreds of fodder units in the Spartan III's, but they can't even do a basic spinal graft to repair something as simple as a fractured spine? And don't give me the "it's too expensive" BS. WE can almost do that NOW, we'll be able to regrown spinal tissue in the next 20years. Let alone 500years from now, in the Special Forces where all the money goes. This is just bad sci-fi writers.

I believe in the book glass lands some odsts went to earth after the coventent attack and when they where asked who they where the civilians did not know what an odst was and just assumed they where another solder in the unsc

I feel like not all ODST'S hate Spartans by any means, maybe like a very vocal third or fourth, but most seem to respect them, especially chief.

I remember the ODSTs on installation 04 didn't like chief, especially Major Silva. Called him a freak of nature and called the SPARTAN project a failure.

Beautiful use of that halo wars 2 intro music for the startup. I love the way that introduces the somber overtones to it all

Think of modern day special forces they are extremely competitive and will always say that their force is the best.

Both sides Spartans ODSTS have to realise without either of them the war would have been lost

This is the only Chanel I have used the bell icon for. Thank you for your interesting and entertaining content

That was the most humble subscribe request I have ever heard you sir have earned mine

You say John could of eliminated the Threat differently, but he literally just got augmentations so he probably wasn't use to it yet

The real heroes are the Marines in which I took out my level frustration on. The ones I stuck a grenade for no reason. Thank you Marines for dying and respawning with a forgiving heart.

What a great video and excellent commentary at the ending.

Damn, dude, a year later and you're almost to a million subscribers, that's one hell of a growth spurt! Congrats!

Why we need a game from the Marines or soldiers perspective with band of brother themes of war.

Holy moly joining the discord was such a good idea. I was here almost instantly 💙

If you really want to feel some admiration for ODSTs read "The Fall of Reach" by Eric Nylund. It's the first in the series and covers the training room fight as well as the lives and sacrifices of a few of the ODSTs.

Haven’t been subbed and first video but your voice narration and editing got me hooked! Keep it up!

My Theory: They are jealous that Spartans take all the credit.

I love how humanity is facing extinction but the UNSC can’t afford to give every soldier shielding and advanced armor cause you know, you need to save money in the end of times.

Very well put sir. I subscribed and am glad to be here.

Was subbed on my old account, just resubscribed after hearing your introduction to this video. Back then, I had watched many of your videos and kind of burned myself out on Halo content here on YT for a while. I still paid some attention, but after Halo Infinite came out, I gradually stopped everything for a while. Went back recently to play through the whole franchise again in chronological order, on legendary. I wanted to watch some Halo stuff, so I decided to check out this channel again, and it's been great to run across old videos as well as watch everything you've been up to since then. I always appreciated how from video to video I can always tell you are trying to improve your creations while keeping everything very consistent and fresh. I found it cool and inspiring to see how much the channel had matured while I was gone. You've more than earned a resub in my book. Not sure if you'll ever see this, but if you eventually do: Thanks for what you and I hope you keep up the great work so long as you still enjoy doing it :)

So, what about regular marines? They died A LOT, right?

We need a halo game where you play as a odst again, and even a halo game where you play as a marine, covenant, and insurectioness, shit even put the flood in there i wanna play as the flood.

One small note: in the fall of reach, due to their training and at this point augmentation the 14 year old Spartans would have looked like tall adult Olympic athletes so it's not certain that the ODSTs would have thought he was anything but another adult serviceman.

The Rookie would have been best friends with John 117

i was actually unsubbed randomly, thankfully this video appeared in my recommended and now I'm back as a subscriber, love your content dude.

oh yes i am very much subscribed and of course... i see you well abover the 75k mark. well done and hope you reach the 200k in no-time. love the content

Man im glad i found your content again, KZfaq unsubbed me so thanks for the heads up at the start!

J117: Our duty as soldiers is to protect humanity, whatever the cost. ODST: Soldiers are still human. ONI: Spartans aren't human, they are weapons.

I still kinda confused as to how John has any blame for the ODST situation in the gym

Dude, your video popped up while I was driving and since I love halo, I was really glad that it did. Oh my God this is been one of the best halo lord videos ever your voice or cadence the way you describe warfare as a brotherhood you just want myself For wife as long as you keep this up

I was unsubscribed by KZfaq from your page I'll enjoy your content and glad to be back a part of your channel.

TL;DR: Spartans: The future is now, old man.