Why People are Choosing the Blacks over the Greens (House of the Dragon Season 2, Blacks vs Greens)

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JellyJugz

JellyJugz

Ай бұрын

I go over why people are Choosing to side with the Blacks over the Greens in House of the Dragon Season 2. I started noticing a trend surrounding the marketing the next season of House of the Dragon, that they wanted people to choose. But it seems that everyone has already chosen the Blacks side. So I go over what could be driving people to support them over the Greens.
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@Miskatonic1927
@Miskatonic1927 Ай бұрын
I dont understand why its even that close at 77%. In season 1, the series writers and showrunners have very clearly designed it that we are going to feel more sympathy towards Rhaenyra and her alliance. The book is clearly different as it is written in more of a text of historical events and the Team Black vs Team Green would be more interesting comparison. But you could do a point by point comparison of the entirety of both teams starting with: -The leaders (Rhaenyra & Aegon); -Their major supporting characters and family members (Daemon, Alicent, Aemond, Rhaenys, Criston Cole, the other Velaryon family members, the other kids, etc.); -The other allies such as the Strong's and the Hightower's and their close council members; -The Dragons; -The awful or ridiculous things that both sides have done; -How many of the people just act like a**holes; -The incestuous relationships; -The promise of being the heir and the inheritance of the leaders; -The childhood friendship between Rhaenyra and Alicent; etc. And with how the show has portrayed them in nearly every category Team Black has been designed to garner more sympathy from the viewers than Team Green. Even the incestuous relationships category is at a stalemate (or even slightly favors Team Black) because at least Rhaenyra and Daemon appear to actually love each other. The duplicitous nature of Otto and Alicent every step of the way from when Otto first persuaded his daughter to get into bed with the King that was at least 25 years older than her and finally to the usurping of the King's DECLARED Heir, Team Green has been shown to be more duplicitous and with more mentally unbalanced characters. If anyone supports Team Green over Team Black it cannot possibly be due to how the TV series has portrayed them. 😊🐉
@JellyJugz
@JellyJugz Ай бұрын
Completely agree! It’s weird cause during the comic con panel last year Ryan made it sound like he wanted people to choose between the greens and the blacks. You think they would have made it a bit more balanced with how they portrayed them in the show
@Miskatonic1927
@Miskatonic1927 Ай бұрын
@@JellyJugz Yeah, its not balanced at all. Team Green are clearly the antagonists. They started the war. No matter how misguided or oblivious Alicent was on Viserys' death bed and supposedly misheard his dying statement she still started a coup and a war. If someone has only watched season 1 (and not read the book) and a viewer is not Team Black then that viewer must have some sort of attraction to a single character on the Green's and they are basing their Team Green allegiance on the love for that particular character. I am not sure what else there could be to draw a viewers allegiance to Green.
@AK-pw3oq
@AK-pw3oq Ай бұрын
Green supporters are not fooled by hypocrisy of Blacks that why 😂
@visupreme2757
@visupreme2757 Ай бұрын
@@Miskatonic1927the greens start the war in the book too, it’s just that again because of the propaganda it makes rhaenyra out to be fat ugly and cruel.
@LauraGS564
@LauraGS564 Ай бұрын
Why the fuck would it be balanced when the book is written like that too? There's no nuance to book characters in the team green. That's the story, Ryan didn't do shit to change that. Actually gave more complexity to them
@dresden6310
@dresden6310 Ай бұрын
Can we also point out that the Greens basically locked everyone in the castle up and left the kings body to rot with no attempt at a funeral in order to keep his death hidden whilst they laid their plans? That happens in both the book and the show. Alicent was groomed by her father to become queen starting in Jaherys' reign also in the book. The deal between Laynor and Rhaenyra was mutual and none of Alicents business. Yet she plays all righteous and sanctimonious until its something SHE wants. Lets be honest, whatever creepy stuff shes got going on with Larys IS still a form of cheating. I would seriously choose Cyrce of GOT over this hypocritical skank any day. Cyrce was evil but never pretended to be anything else.
@narendranathjagarlamudi3191
@narendranathjagarlamudi3191 Ай бұрын
oh where has the dads little princess when he is literally a living corpse?
@christinekim361
@christinekim361 Ай бұрын
Team Black!
@RoberthySilva
@RoberthySilva Ай бұрын
Why?They killed children and in season 1 at least one woman and random worker
@mdf3006
@mdf3006 Ай бұрын
That's right. Whichever side has House Stark are the good guys. I'm confused at everyone else's confusion.
@RoberthySilva
@RoberthySilva Ай бұрын
​@@mdf3006Sansa Stark was always against Daenerys while i always rooted for her until she burn the entire Kingslanding and don't regret her actions and threaten the entire North and South!
@mdf3006
@mdf3006 Ай бұрын
​@@RoberthySilva I thought we were talking about the Dance of the Dragons.
@Tom-ev4rg
@Tom-ev4rg Ай бұрын
Just a reminder, it is strongly implied that Alicent murdered the hand maiden assaulted by Aegon. Also, Otto Hightower is a weasel of the highest order. Plus, creepy Larys Strong is identified with the Greens (even if it is through self-interest). And do we really need to mention what a little bitch Criston Cole is? The Greens - top to bottom - are just less likable people.
@JellyJugz
@JellyJugz Ай бұрын
That’s my point! Like if you want people to choose a side you gotta make team black worse or green better!
@NashyChilufya-vd7qp
@NashyChilufya-vd7qp Ай бұрын
Yeah and daemon killed his wife,rhaenyra had bastards passed them off as legitimate and gave them dragons which is against the rules of their house.i like certain characters on both sides but don't for second think any of them are not disturbing people(hell one side has a groomer the other a rapist)
@Tom-ev4rg
@Tom-ev4rg Ай бұрын
@@NashyChilufya-vd7qp And STILL more likable than the Greens. Lol.
@NashyChilufya-vd7qp
@NashyChilufya-vd7qp Ай бұрын
@@Tom-ev4rg some of them both sides have likeable characters and others that are just annoying.
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Ай бұрын
@@NashyChilufya-vd7qp 'rhaenyra had bastards passed them off as legitimate and gave them dragons which is against the rules of their house' - I am pretty sure nowhere in nonexistent House Rule Book was anything about situation when husband and wife made agreement.
@roxas12590
@roxas12590 7 күн бұрын
team Black! Because the king’s word is law, and all the Lord’s paramount of Westeros swore to support his chosen successor. The greens and anyone associated with them are open and proud oath breakers.
@sangat6165
@sangat6165 Ай бұрын
*Team Black* 🖤 because Rhenyra is beautiful
@AmonMaximus
@AmonMaximus Ай бұрын
Simp
@klephenthurry3284
@klephenthurry3284 24 күн бұрын
I cant really fault Aegon, he literally ran away from trying to be King, but Alicent and Otto are too power hungry
@targlife2979
@targlife2979 Ай бұрын
Team Rhaenyra, team black!!!
@AK-pw3oq
@AK-pw3oq Ай бұрын
Greens 💚💚💚💚
@Fitchy-ke3wz
@Fitchy-ke3wz Ай бұрын
Team black because, in both book and show, Rhaenyra was ROBBED Easy as that
@truetory6231
@truetory6231 Ай бұрын
Another thing that wasn't stated is that book Rhaenyra is actually worse than her show counterpart and I think the showrunners did that on purpose while simultaneously making Aegon onscreen worse than the literary version
@denniscieslak6607
@denniscieslak6607 Ай бұрын
according to lineof succession both aegon an rhanyra die in the dance of dragons and Aedon the III gets the throne so actually the green won the throne Unless Aegon the III was a chid of Rhanyra an i ddont think it was.
@TheHellHound66699
@TheHellHound66699 Ай бұрын
Aegon III is Rhaenyras child.
@lyre5250
@lyre5250 Ай бұрын
Bro out here making statements when he doesn't even know whose child is whose 💀
@gaelic_guy
@gaelic_guy 22 күн бұрын
​@@lyre5250He won the thrown and had no heirs. So both the blacks and the greens lost.
@liamcallahan9693
@liamcallahan9693 Ай бұрын
When looking at it in a cold manner, it's clear that Rhaenyra, Daemon, Rhaenys, Aegon, Aemond, and Alicent are all criminals. The difference that I have seen is simply that the former three are all likable characters. They're funny, sympathetic, and headstrong. The latter three are not. Now, that's not my opinion, I like *and* hate pretty much all of these characters, this is just my guess as to why. I do feel pretty complex feelings about some of the decisions related to the Greens. Criston's killing of Joffrey is confusing. Larys' fetish for Alicent's feet adds an interesting power dynamic, but is extremely tasteless for a disable character. The handmaiden's scene was brilliantly acted, and adds nuance to Alicent's character, but at a severe cost to Aegon's. I expect Season 2 to add a lot of elements that would give greater reason to support or at least sympathize with the Greens, and I'm excited to see what they do, but I'm worried that fans just won't budge on the nuances Condal and crew are planning to add because "Aegon's a rapist", "Larys is a creep", "Criston is an incel" etc.
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Ай бұрын
Even if Greens were more likeable, their decision to usurp Rhaenyra would be still problematic, because they didn't usurp her because she was bad ruler - they never let her rule to begin with, because of her gender. So supporting Greens is basically supporting discrimination of women.
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Ай бұрын
Daemon would kill his nephew/niece if he was in Aemond shoes???? Episode 2 begs to differ. I am not fan of Daemon, he is definitely but I think you do not understand his motivations. I would still support Rhaenyra, even if Aegon was more likeable or if she was against Aemond. Why? Because the only thing that would justify usurpation is if she was bad ruler. But they never allow her to rule in peace - they took away her throne solely because of her gender before she could even prove herself. That's why I cannot support Greens - because supporting them is not about supporting more fit individual but about supporting misogyny!
@aemondmommasboy78
@aemondmommasboy78 Ай бұрын
The writers are biased towards the Blacks. I dont want to hear that choose a side garbage from them again. They have pretty much destroyed two major characters from the Green side in the first episode and you probably know who they are.
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Ай бұрын
Alicent and Cole were 'destroyed' long before this new season.
@aemondmommasboy78
@aemondmommasboy78 Ай бұрын
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Agreed, but I was able to overlook the bs mostly in season 1. Making it Alicents and Coles fault for B&C because Cole wasn't at his post because he was busy banging Alicent is just wild. This of course shifts the blame from Daemon which is what it was probably intended to do. I don't think they realize the blowback they are going to get.
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Ай бұрын
@@aemondmommasboy78 As steadfast Team Black fan, I confidently say I do NOT like this change. I find it bit misogynistic. The whole dance happened because of misogyny towards one woman, and now screenwriters are doing dirty another woman by basically showing that bad things happened because she took lover. I don't like that - I don't like shifting blame from perpetrators on two people in love. Now, Fire & Blood is chronicle, so it is possible events played in different way they were written, but writers could showed this 'different way' without engaging characters in affair. Alicent and Cristion could end up together in later part of show. If they wanted white wash Daemon's action, I think they could do it in different way.
@roxas12590
@roxas12590 7 күн бұрын
Not sure what you’re getting pissy about because even from a zoomed out perspective, the greens are simply in the wrong. The king Viserys declared Rhaenrya as his successor, and all the Lord’s paramount were summoned and forced to swear her an oath fealty. He never changed this decision in the books or the show. and in the show he fiercely defended her claim. No matter how you slice it, the greens and everyone who allies with them are oath breakers openly defying the kings decree, and the oath they took to support his successor. And this doesn’t even include the fact that the dance itself is instigated by an outside house (Hightowers) vying for power at the expense tearing apart the royal family they were supposed to serve. House Targaryen would never be the same after and it can arguably be laid at the foot of the Hightowers. They were duplicitous schemers and did what served themselves, not the royal family or the realm. All while lying to the royal family itself claiming to be loyal.
@RoberthySilva
@RoberthySilva Ай бұрын
Both are evil but Daemon and Rhaemyra are not like Viserys as before death he probaly choose Alicent,the Greens are better rulers but people like Larys Strong seems even more sinister than Daemon
@klephenthurry3284
@klephenthurry3284 24 күн бұрын
Team Black for me. Both sides are not ideal ruling party, but the Greens are just worse in every way, not to mention in both show and book, they start the conflict
@martomcfly
@martomcfly Ай бұрын
Team Black…and keep up the good work, mate! Throughly underrated channel. I check-in after every episode to under all the little things I’ve missed/didn’t understand. ✊🏼
@JellyJugz
@JellyJugz Ай бұрын
Thank you! Your support means a lot!!!
@Timquan.
@Timquan. 13 күн бұрын
The show unwittingly wrote a better case for the greens against the blacks in S1. They are currently doing the most to undothat mistake and completely villanize the Greens.
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 13 күн бұрын
They did not. Team Black was always in the right in season 1. Greens were always villains of this story. They made Alicent victim of unwanted marriage to made her more sympathethic and they made Daemon unhinged. But being unhappy person does not justify Alicent. There was NEVER any "better case" for Greens except blatant misogyny you displayed in your other commnet.
@MrAitraining
@MrAitraining Ай бұрын
This show is game of thrones on training wheels.
@gaelic_guy
@gaelic_guy 22 күн бұрын
Aegon literally was used as bait by Aemond in the show. In reality, Vagar was too slow, so he would have lost against Raenys, Imo. In the books, they both tag teamed Raenys for the same reason. The show is starting to make me angry. If we don't get a Maegor type performance from crippled Aegon as being burnt alive would make most people angry and bitter, then the show is an L. Daeron also beter be a Rob stark type. It's funny how the greens have the moral high ground in the show while the show runners do everything to try and make the blacks look good. The irony is that the blacks are the biggest scumbags. Hopefully, Aegon 3 and Viserys 2's relationship is a redeeming quality.
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Ай бұрын
Rhaenyra is not 'bad person', she is good... as of now. She is not perfect, but you can't really show any evil actions of her (except servant on Driftmark, but we can't really know why Daemon chose him and wheter he truly was innocent as fandom believes) and one bad things don't make people evil.
@RoberthySilva
@RoberthySilva Ай бұрын
So Daemon is good?Kill woman,by stander work and Children is ok?
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Ай бұрын
@@RoberthySilva Are you able to read? I said "Rhaenyra", not "Daemon". Daemon is bad person, and I have really no idea what she found attractive in him - he is not even handsome.
@RoberthySilva
@RoberthySilva Ай бұрын
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Oh ok,i agree people say she is very worse in books,we should see if in season 2 onwards she will become blind with rage and lost reason like a certain person
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Ай бұрын
@@RoberthySilva In book it's... complicated. Rhaenyra in books at some points starts see danger everywhere and yes, she becomes ruthless in her actions. But she was put in difficult position, rulling in midst of civil war, so I cannot really blame her - and opposite side was hardly better. Greens had more war crimes on their side in book.
@abdullaabdu3730
@abdullaabdu3730 Ай бұрын
Team black 🖤
@truetory6231
@truetory6231 Ай бұрын
All this talk of Rhaenyra being robbed of her birthright is nonsense. It was not her birthright because her father had to NAME her as heir, had he not done that she would not be next in line. For it to be her birthright it would have had to conform to the natural succession rules which it did not. The fact is that Westeros did not have a tradition of a king picking his heir, most kings simply followed the established order of succession. No one can justify why a mediocre king like Viserys gets to change the rules at whim when great Targaryen kings like Aegon I and Jaehaerys I choose to abide by tradition.
@peteperkins3859
@peteperkins3859 Ай бұрын
The Blacks because Rhaenyra is the legitimate heir, named by her father. The political structure isn't a Republic. Whatever the king decrees is law. It's as if the show runners and writers are pushing a political agenda.
@RoberthySilva
@RoberthySilva Ай бұрын
He changed his mind and choose Alicent after seeing Rhaemyra with Daemon and his brutal violence, probaly
@user-hb1zh7nk1b
@user-hb1zh7nk1b Ай бұрын
for your information the greens in the book are much much worse than the show rayan condal give them more than they deserve they were pure evil especially your favourite aemond
@JellyJugz
@JellyJugz Ай бұрын
I know Aemond is going to do some evil stuff here, but I’m talking about right now. Before the season 2 begins
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Ай бұрын
2:08 - Whoa, whoa, whoa! Stop. ✋🏻 She didn't cheat on anyone. She and Laenor had open marriage and he recognized all children she gave birth to him. And no - she was not spoiled brat. She was teenage girl who was simply exploring what world has offer to her. If she was boy, none would bat eye on her actions. (Yes, in Westeros world women are expected to act differently but WE are not in Westeros, so I don't understand why epopel act as if she did something bad. When in movie about slavery some slave will run away, are you gonna tell me he should stay with his mater because that is what law expect from him????) Neverthless, as adult woman Rhaenyra clearly stopped complaining about life, so I don't know why everyone keep using her youth against her.
@samuelpickett-nl2qu
@samuelpickett-nl2qu Ай бұрын
team green but its a two-sided conflict and anyone who dosent understand this hasent been paying attention
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Ай бұрын
Team misogyny, yey!😂😂😂😂 Team Black is the only right one.
@samuelpickett-nl2qu
@samuelpickett-nl2qu Ай бұрын
@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 not how it works this is medival times
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Ай бұрын
@@samuelpickett-nl2qu Are you living in medieval world? Because if you agree that medieval times were oppresive towards women, you should support woman (Rhaenyra) who tries to break from this oppression.
@truetory6231
@truetory6231 Ай бұрын
​@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518typical answer from someone who believes we should apply modern political narratives to a medevial story. It is for this very reason why I will not support Rhaenyra because that is not how thier world works and I don't feel like we should apply 21st century narratives to a story that has a completely different settings and completely different rules
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518
@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 Ай бұрын
​@@truetory6231 Once again - YOU are not living in medieval story. You are not bound by rules of her world. Yes, we should not judge people in her story for everything they do - liek obviously we have to go past they accept close kin marriages. But soem thngs simply cannot be supported by modern person. 'that is not how their world works' - If you support the system her world works, then you are misogynist. Period.
@LauraGS564
@LauraGS564 Ай бұрын
Even the author chose Blacks over yhe Greens. HoTD actually has given tjr greens more layers and complexity
Why Team Green vs Team Black is kinda pointless.
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