Why Red Bull's Controversial Call with Sergio Perez Matters

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18 күн бұрын

Why did Red Bull knowingly throw Checo's Spanish Grand Prix into jeopardy? Because Max.
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In this video, we dive deep into the controversial Checo incident at the Canadian Grand Prix, comparing it to the notorious 2008 "Crashgate" scandal. While not as premeditated, Red Bull's decision to instruct Sergio Perez to return to the pits despite serious mechanical damage has ignited a firestorm of debate. We'll examine the safety hazards posed by this move, including the potential impact of debris on other drivers, and discuss how Red Bull's actions led to a breaching of Article 26.10 of the sporting regulations. This incident has cast a shadow over Red Bull's PR, raising questions about their commitment to fair play versus their relentless pursuit of victory. We also explore the broader implications for Sergio Perez, the team dynamics at Red Bull, and what this means for their championship ambitions. Are Red Bull's actions justifiable given their current dominance in both the driver's and constructors' standings, or have they crossed a line? Join us as we break down every angle of this incident and its ripple effects in the world of F1. Don't miss out-like, subscribe, and share your thoughts in the comments below!
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In the latest Formula 1 news, Sergio Perez's crash at Montreal stirred up intense discussions within the racing community. Driving for Red Bull Racing, Perez's collision added another layer of drama to the already exhilarating F1 season. As fans eagerly awaited updates on his condition, speculation about his future with the team surged. With Max Verstappen leading the charge for Red Bull, Christian Horner, the team principal, faced mounting pressure to address the incident and its implications. The crash, reminiscent of Perez's past challenges in 2023, highlighted the unpredictable nature of Formula One racing. As discussions surrounding Perez's contract and the team's strategy for the 2024 season unfolded, Formula 1 enthusiasts eagerly awaited further developments. Stay tuned for more F1 updates and analysis, as the race for glory continues to captivate audiences worldwide.
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@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

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@sauwercraud 16 күн бұрын

Looks like, you are just climbing down from the ladder for 5 Minutes a day recently :) BusyLawBee!

@michaelsanger8327 16 күн бұрын

remember: Ferrari. suzuka 2019. also - are you high? The Halo ... it was confirmed that it wouldn't have helped Felipe Massa. Aeroscreen(indycar) -maybe.

@oldfartgaming6273 16 күн бұрын

Your English bias so sssst.

@Redlingstein 16 күн бұрын

No. Will unfollow. You have lost a follower. This vid is full on bs. Truly disappointed in you…

@Ale-sx9jk 15 күн бұрын

@@Redlingstein totally agree He just wants Red Bull to be punished in order that Lando will be gifted the win like in Miami 😂😂

@BryanWaldo 16 күн бұрын

And "if my mom had balls she would be my dad" This is being blown way out of proportion, and not that big a deal.

@amongstgreatdanes580 16 күн бұрын

Best sporting quote ever

@brainspin7518 15 күн бұрын

Agree! Nothing to see here.

@Blauerkavenzmann 15 күн бұрын

@@amongstgreatdanes580 "Someone disagreeing and quoting Senna for the millionth time" in 3... 2.... 1...

@The_ZeroLine 13 күн бұрын

Dislike RBR, but driving back w/a damaged car has never been something you got penalized for. F1 has become so soft. You used to be able to push your car across the finish. Now we get red flags for gravel.

@kwizzledizzle4513 16 күн бұрын

This narrative actually angers me a bit. How often have we seen damaged cars driving to the pits or actually finishing the race? Lewis finished on three wheels at Silverstone. Multiple drivers have kept driving while their tyres were disintegrating or with a front wing dragging across the ground. Sure a penalty is deserved and Checo could have indeed pulled off to the side somewhere. But the people claiming it is as bad as a team ordering a driver to deliberately crash to create an advantage for his teammate seems very disingenuous to me....🤷‍♂️

@GB57242 16 күн бұрын

Lewis Hamilton had a puncture and half a lap left. Furthermore it was in dry conditions. What Checo did is very dangerous given that the track was wet and he could have spread more debris on the track. Him getting fined and getting a grid drop was warranted.

@kwizzledizzle4513 16 күн бұрын

To be honest, my main point is that I have seen plenty of drivers trying to bring a damaged car in various conditions to the pit or to finish the lap to prevent retirement or an SC so often that the incident with Perez didn't even register with me. To then see some muppet compare it to one of the most well known scandals in F1 seems insane to me. Maybe he spent too much time with Netflix.

@driesvanoosten4417 16 күн бұрын

@@kwizzledizzle4513well said!

@driesvanoosten4417 16 күн бұрын

@@GB57242I don't even think the penalty was warranted. Compare this to Leclerc in 2019 holding his mirror with one hand. Or his driving back to the pits in Monaco way too fast with a puncture that same year. No penalties for that, even though he was shedding carbon all over the circuit. Complaining about Checo/RBR here is a bit of a double standard...

@GB57242 16 күн бұрын

@@driesvanoosten4417 I stand by what iI said and respect your opinion . Furthermore the FIA hasn’t been consistent with their rules for years at this point that it makes one question the integrity of the sport.

@geertwilders4806 16 күн бұрын

I don’t get it, comparing this to crashgate is crazy

@pleistoros4326 16 күн бұрын

I bet you would not get crashgate either, it's about principles not actions.

@ua697 16 күн бұрын

Probably because you're not British 😉

@SWOTHDRA 16 күн бұрын

Typical british redbull hate, thats all

@geertwilders4806 16 күн бұрын

@@pleistoros4326 what are you yapping about 💀💀

@pleistoros4326 16 күн бұрын

@@geertwilders4806 Principles

@mrbungle3310 16 күн бұрын

nah comparing this to crash gate is too much

@stableianF1oracle 16 күн бұрын

Bollocks Perez is entitled to drive his car back to the pits. Just as Lewis did at Imola after hitting the wall …..

@Domenicxx 15 күн бұрын

Comparing this to crash gate is genuinely insane

@schabur365 16 күн бұрын

Nah Law…cars have limped to the pits looking far worse than this. Cars without wheels, cars with wheels hanging off….the wing was broken on one side and it wasn’t shedding parts. Storm…teacup…its wasn’t this bad.

@4ndyr0g3r50n 13 күн бұрын

Schumacher at Spa in 1998 springs to mind.

@_brutalista 16 күн бұрын

That's an odd comparison to make. Not even remotely close, but sure whatever floats your boat.

@PbPomper 16 күн бұрын

This is absolutely 100% unlike crash gate. Crashing intentionally is completely different than going back to the pits after a mild crash. I'm not saying a penalty is not deserved, but this rule has been broken many times before without penalty. Additionaly, I'm 100% sure other teams would have done the same if they were leading the race with their other car.

@channel4ferrets 16 күн бұрын

Since 2008 many drivers returned to the pits with "an unsafe car", like Perez did. Remember Vettel in Austria 2020? Or Alonso with 2 flat tyres in 2018 in Baku?

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

Yep. Alonso did wonders to get it back. The difference I imagine is that the tyres were replaceable quickly

@yoeriw7099 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVS I remember someone shredding his floor with a de-laminated tire and continuing on to the pits shedding parts everywhere. Or Leclerc continuing with his wing mirror about to fall off at Spa (nearly hitting Hamilton in the process).

@Ivovify 16 күн бұрын

or Sainz last race.

@JustSomeDinosaurPerson 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVS That doesn't really matter though when the stipulations is being an unsafe car with sparks and debris flying off lmao Alonso should NOT have been allowed to come back to the pits.

@clansome 16 күн бұрын

@@Ivovify Think the Red had already been thrown at the time, otherwise you have a point. There again it was only a single puncture which all F1 cars can handle, other damage notwithstanding.

@erikapple8955 16 күн бұрын

Every single team would have done the same thing

@lynx1519 16 күн бұрын

Because Lando didn’t won so that’s why the British are crying.

@psycho_O 15 күн бұрын

Win*

@ronintje7647 16 күн бұрын

Just imagine thinking crashing your car to get an SC is the same as trying to get your car of the track after a crash to prevent a SC are exactly the same. The mental gymnastics needed for that are through the roof.

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

Exactly. Checo didn't intend to crash, he was doing what he was told which was against the rules and only served to affect any chance of a bounce back in Spain.

@HyperScorpio8688 16 күн бұрын

Imagine knowingly instructing your driver to break the rules to maintain the advantage of your other driver. The mental gymnastics needed for justifying that are through the roof.

@4rdF1Hunny 16 күн бұрын

@@HyperScorpio8688no, you’re just a hater. Anyone with an honest opinion thinks otherwise.

@gudname518 16 күн бұрын

@@4rdF1Hunny Red Bull admitted to it and have been fined how is it hating when it's literally the truth that they broke the rules to gain an advantage which was winning the race

@HyperScorpio8688 16 күн бұрын

@@4rdF1Hunny Yeah no denying that RB INSTRUCTED Checo to keep driving on the track with a clearly unraceable car is just disingenous.

@BOBimusRex 16 күн бұрын

I feel like it would have been different if the officials had flagged Checo, signalling that he HAD to get off the road. As it was, they left it to Redbull's discretion. How can you then penalize them for making a decision that you left in their hands?

@ralphe5842 16 күн бұрын

You Brit’s you make up story’s when there’s none

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

Red Bull admitted they broke the rules though.

@rensvanderploeg1945 16 күн бұрын

Just imagine a driver that finishes the race with only three wheels! How would that to be punished?

@pantrofl 16 күн бұрын

Or Albon driving back to the pits after hitting the wall of champions, breaking his rear suspension.

@MyShanghaiShuffle 16 күн бұрын

Numerous drivers have completed a lap with a puncture.

@MyShanghaiShuffle 16 күн бұрын

@@pantroflI suppose that depends on whether it was shedding large amounts of carbon fibre and/or was likely to drop a wing or similar?

@BoPunk 16 күн бұрын

25% reduction in points earned lol

@pantrofl 16 күн бұрын

@@MyShanghaiShufflethat's not the point though. The rule states driving back in unsafe condition. A rear wheel barely still on is definitely an unsafe condition, regardless of how much carbon fibre could be broken off.

@bobclarke5913 16 күн бұрын

I never say nothingburger. But nothingburger.

@MrPassy4u 16 күн бұрын

And Alonso was praised for crabbing back, hitting the walls in Baku😂

@mr-nobody-on-youtube 16 күн бұрын

The key difference is rule breaking for a strategic advantage.

@HoldenMaGroin-ne6vv 16 күн бұрын

Mate he had 2 flat tires and the floors weren't groundeffect

@Gamurboi 16 күн бұрын

punctured tires is not the same as a broken rear wing

@MrPassy4u 16 күн бұрын

@Gamurboi I know, but this was what came to my mind after a few seconds in the video 🤣

@MrPassy4u 16 күн бұрын

ok ok ok OKEEE, everyone responding :D Don't take my reaction to seriously please :D This was my 1st thought

@PuRe_AdDicT 16 күн бұрын

Let’s not forget Lewis was allowed to drive a car for a full lap and over the line at Silverstone with a puncture in 2020 - dragging carbon and cutting up the track What’s the difference?

@AirflowToTheTurbo 16 күн бұрын

The difference is Lewis doesn't drive for Red Bull in 2024. Any effort to tear them down this year is acceptable, practically compulsory at this point, apparently.

@michaeldr6070 15 күн бұрын

Lewis is British, that’s the difference

@himax000 16 күн бұрын

This wasn’t the first time a broken but a drivable car made into the pits. Without completing any laps. How could checo knows its a serious issue. Next time a car crashes they should wait till the extraction vehicle to come no matter what the damage is

@ijustfelldown 16 күн бұрын

If a driver can get a legal race win by driving on three wheels to the finish line, following multiple instances of other cars driving to pits despite heavy damage without a punishment post 2008, then I don't blame a team for testing the limits. FIA has always been incredibly inconsistent about these rules.

@Fredhamnewey 16 күн бұрын

lol he had a puncture with half a lap remaining and was still doing 160 miles per hour while checo was doing 80 miles on a slippery track with blind corners…red bull fanatics are just too much at this point

@JuicedOnKids 16 күн бұрын

@@Fredhamnewey yup, Checo was trailing debries on the track meanwhile Lewis was over halfway round the track on the last lap.

@mysticaloreo9278 11 күн бұрын

@@Fredhamneweythe thing is, rules are rules, if you're gonna bash red bull and checo for this, Hamilton and Mercedes deserve the same exact treatment. Doesn't matter if it's "only" a puncture or if it's just half a lap, that's not the rule

@mysticaloreo9278 11 күн бұрын

Half a lap doesn't matter, rules are rules, nowhere in the rules does it say "oh half a lap should be fine" @@JuicedOnKids

@Fredhamnewey 11 күн бұрын

@@mysticaloreo9278 lol you wanna talk about rules guess you agree 2021 was Hamilton in Abu dhabi

@NeroGaara7 16 күн бұрын

so he got a penalty for a WHAT IF? Sorry I though that putting Leclere on hard YES HARDS on a wet track was WAY more dangerous and you know WHAT IF!!!!!!

@LuminalSpoon 16 күн бұрын

Safety is all about what if

@NeroGaara7 16 күн бұрын

@@LuminalSpoon Ok where is Lecleres penalty? What if Russel moves on piastri caused carbon debri should Russel than get a penalty!

@madalin___2887 15 күн бұрын

@@LuminalSpoonsafety is absolutely not about what if. What are u on about?

@LuminalSpoon 15 күн бұрын

Of course it is, Risk Assessments and Hazard Mitigation is all about the worst that could possibly happen and taking measures to stop that from happening (or if it can't then heavily restrict it).

@user-vt6zq6kf8q 16 күн бұрын

Such BS…. EVERY driver always take their car to the pit if it is drivable…

@Milkywayboy 16 күн бұрын

The car could drive 😂😂😂 Of course Red Bull would have him drive it. Every engineer asks the driver if the car can drive after a crash. Yall crazy

@preachrem7182 16 күн бұрын

As someone who watches V8 Super cars, this whole thing is a non issue. At the end of the day F1 rules are stupid and hurt the sport more either with over defined strict rules or rules that make no sense. F1 is not the pinnacle of motor sport anymore, honestly they need to look more of other racing sports and adapt more of them

@WhiteG60 15 күн бұрын

F1 sniffs it's own 'tradition' farts way too much. Why do we do things this way? Because that's how we do it, that's why. And we absolutely will not change it unless we decided we should change it. And it was our idea, not yours.

@abel6846 16 күн бұрын

Very different, Law. Drivers try to get back to the pit with all kind of damage. Many of race engineer has uttered the words: ‘can you make it back to the pit?’. He broke a rule, and got punished. End of. Coulda woulda shoulda is not an argument.

@LathropLdST 16 күн бұрын

So it's the driver to blame when the PIT CREW TOLD HIM TO STAY IN THE CIRCUIT?!

@Redlingstein 16 күн бұрын

Well said

@abel6846 14 күн бұрын

@@LathropLdST he’s behind the wheel, isn’t he? So yeah. In the past, there have been numerous occasions when a driver did NOT listen to his pit crew. He still has agency, you know. Maybe not balls, but he has agency.

@WiltopiaDomestead 16 күн бұрын

I generally like your videos. But this has opened a can of worms and set a precedent that any driver in an accident can’t drive his damaged car back to the pit. I just hope they enforce this on everyone not just Red Bull.

@BoPunk 16 күн бұрын

Red Bull have always had a *THING* about their cars being lifted by cranes and having photographers snap pics of all it's naughty underneath bits. 🔍 The penalty and fine was worth it to them.

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

There was an escape road to Checo's left. He had the means to get to it and should've gone there...although your point IS valid somewhat.

@Rydabomb 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVS what he is saying that they don't care about a fine and a penalty for poorez who will qualify last anyways as long as they didn't bring out a SC😊

@24alexash 16 күн бұрын

@@Rydabombwhy do you even think they cared about another S/C restart? Max had already nailed 2 in the race, and the Canadian track characteristics with the chicane helps out the leader massively when it comes to a S/C restart.

@lotuselansteve 16 күн бұрын

@@24alexash Because they said so! Listen to what is said.

@LVQ-so5th 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVS Then the whole "avoid a safety car" theory doesn't hold if Checo parked on an escape road.

@tolucogaming 16 күн бұрын

It wasn't anything like Crashgate. Not remotely. But I do think Perez should have got it straight off the track at the nearest escape road that allowed him to fully leave the track. Driving round the track to the pits gave more chance of debris therefore more chance of safety car.

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

Yeah, it was to the left of him.

@yoeriw7099 16 күн бұрын

There was a bigger chance that him driving back would have brought out the SC

@tolucogaming 16 күн бұрын

@@yoeriw7099 yeah that's what I said.

@JoanseCastillo 16 күн бұрын

Why tf is people arguing about this if the SC came out Anyway because of Carlos and Alex and not because checo????? Also they already were fined and checo lost 3 spots next race!! Wtf people want?

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

I do make that point but the fact that Red Bull got Checo in trouble for Spain is not right.

@Redlingstein 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVSstop this nonsense. Checo CRASHED… he made this bed for himself….

@oldjeep 16 күн бұрын

You see cars running down the track all the time with flapping body parts, blow tires bouncing off stuff. Not understanding what the threshold is.

@davoryeagersine709 16 күн бұрын

We get it, you wanted Lando to win

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

I'm OK with Max winning. It helped that George and Lando were fighting each other.

@BDSFormula1 16 күн бұрын

we all want the twitch streamer to win

@robnero9196 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVS sure man, relax😂😂😂😂

@kingmisogyny1852 15 күн бұрын

@@LawVScope harder loser

@y_fam_goeglyd 16 күн бұрын

I am wondering how quickly it'll take before one of two (or both) conspiracy theories do the rounds. 1) it's all Max's fault! He insisted on it happening! 2) RB wanted to hide something on the car. No, I don't believe either. 🤦🏻‍♀️

@bossfight6125 16 күн бұрын

Not to mention Checo is LEADING the World *Destructors* Championship

@jajasking9652 16 күн бұрын

Tbh, magnusen thought he wad driving a bulldozer on monaco But perez have been one of, if not the worst driver fot these last 3 races

@ClinicalDecisionYikesYT 16 күн бұрын

Mexican minister of destruction

@kristoffer3000 16 күн бұрын

@@jajasking9652 That crash was firmly Perez's fault, he saw he was there, checked twice after that and still turned into him.

@elmemoshu4152 16 күн бұрын

@@kristoffer3000 he was just going through the racing line. Mag himself hit the wall then bounced to him.

@kristoffer3000 16 күн бұрын

@@elmemoshu4152 Had nothing to do with KMag hitting the wall to avoid Perez, it was Perez that turned into him. Do you always follow the racing line when there's another car there with no space to move over?

@MrDragonballzjp 16 күн бұрын

The european races are cruical for Checo to find his footing and get back in the top 6. He can't allow himself to fall behind the VCARB or Aston Martin.

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

Yep, he cannot afford to slip up again. Even Christian was having a hard time vouching for him here.

@Moviesandf1-fw8un 16 күн бұрын

It's 2023 all over again...

@Blyatarina 16 күн бұрын

Haha, too late

@richardwood9177 16 күн бұрын

P6 won’t be good enough even if he can do it. Red Bull extended Checo to win the constructors championship like last year. If it doesn’t happen…

@itshugh6750 16 күн бұрын

@@richardwood9177Nah, they extended his contract because Verstappen is expensive and doesnt bring in loads of sponsor money. Checo is cheap, brings along loads of sponsor money and the idea was to have him in a role as wingman like Bottas was for Ham. So far, that hasnt really panned out. The sponsor money is good and all, but losing the constructors will be the nail on Checo's coffin i bet.

@reiniernn9071 16 күн бұрын

Some major mistakes. IF Checo ,as told in the start of the video. should have gone to a safer place no safetycar would have been issued but a VSC....so no changes in distances (in seconds) between the driver. Next is: Why did I not hear a rant like this when Lewis Hamilton drobe back to the pits (silverstobne 2021) after he had hit Max...Tota told afterwards that they needed that long delay before restarting because the heavy repairs needed to his car... THAT would be more comparabnle than crashgate....And Lewis did not even get a penalty next race for driving with an unsafe car.

@rootyp 16 күн бұрын

I thought they just didn’t want another Checo in Monaco showing the world the Red Bull floor again.

@Redlingstein 16 күн бұрын

That too

@guiltysparq6463 16 күн бұрын

Wait so if a front wing is dragging you can get back but not if it’s the back wing…. What?

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

Depends on the type of front wing damage, but if it's an endplate missing or it's completely ejected itself from the car, you can get back and replace it quickly.

@y_fam_goeglyd 16 күн бұрын

The rear wing falling off onto an approaching car is potentially more dangerous than a bit of a front wing, for example. I've seen some nasty accidents in my time, including being caused by big bits of car falling off in front of another.

@jasper5878 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVS I think this penalty is stupid to be honest. Rosburg 2016 Austria, did he get a penalty after dragging his front wing around the track. Lewis 3 wheeling in Silverstone. That was equally as dangerous than Checos rear wing. I just smell a load of unfair Bias with this call. So many drivers have had issues similar to this and not been penalized. I am sure this even includes Redbull drivers.

@JuicedOnKids 16 күн бұрын

@@jasper5878 Rosberg and Lewis were on the last lap, they weren't throwing debris back on the track, the front wing was lodged and Nico had full control of the car. RB were trying to avoid a SC which is ridiculous, can't belive you'd defend this. It's the debris that you need to look at for example Riccardo lost his entire rear wing at SPA but because of the lack of debris he wasn't penalised iirc.

@TheMikelleh 16 күн бұрын

I think there is a significant disrespect toward Max and Red Bull that I mainly believe you don’t participate in. As a Red Bull fan it has become glaringly obvious that this is true. Max led over half the race, but from the broadcast all you saw of him was leaving the shot to set up the extended view of McLaren and Mercedes. They NEVER reference Red Bull unless it is something negative. When Lewis was dominating, we watched endless laps where he was featured for multiple laps. During qualifying they were so focused on Williams and RBVCARB cars they missed all of Max’ laps. Clearly, unless you are a British racer or Alonso there is no attention. Max has been dominant for 3 years and has yet to be voted ‘DRIVER OF HE DAY’. Is just a joke. I would hate you to become like all the others.

@peterhall8572 16 күн бұрын

You aren't just competing with the other teams You're constantly trying to beat the rule book, and be clairvoyant enough to know the mindset of the FIA and Stewards particularly the ones who've never been in a racing car in their lives

@g4ry26 16 күн бұрын

Losing aero isn't losing anything mechanical. Losing a mechanical device would be losing a wheel, engine blown up

@ZipperZbieracz 16 күн бұрын

Checo's roles in Red Bull: - not causing a problematic safety car from crashing in P16 - bringing in sponsor money

@jorritdriessen5728 16 күн бұрын

To be fair P16 vs P19 is not really s big diffrence for Checo

@Blyatarina 16 күн бұрын

Typical for the inconsistent pay driver

@muhammadsajid.official 16 күн бұрын

"Checo taking pole by 2 3 4 tenths" nice one mate 😆 He needs to out qualify Logan first

@Nathan-qc4gz 16 күн бұрын

Checo going back to the pits, in my opinion, is good for the spectators, the Marshall's, and redbull. I don't think I'd even consider that "serious mechanical difficulties" since he could drive back to the pits, if they need a safety car to clean up debris then just call it like they'd have to anyways if Perez stayed in the same spot (unless they were planning to murder a driver with a crane on the track as there was full speed racing going on, rip Jules and nearly gasley). I don't understand why you think it was done it bad faith? Since when does aerodynamics change because of something being on front or back. If you can drive slowly to the pits for the front wing, you can do it for the back as well. And yeah, you never truly know the extent of the damage, does that really mean you always have to treat it as every square inch of carbon is gonna come flying off, irregardless of weather, speed, or other traffic?

@davidnjau-githiomik 16 күн бұрын

In the age of Magnussen tactics, this is F1 2024

@chefmia948 16 күн бұрын

Yeah, it was bad and dangerous. But deliberately crashing to give your teammate the win is straight up match fixing. So yeah, completely deserved penalty, but the comparison is silly

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

Which is what we concluded with on the video and why Buxton's comments were enough to spark debate but not accurate wholly.

@chefmia948 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVSIt's a shame too. I like Checo, when he's driving well I cheer louder for him than anyone else

@chefmia948 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVS Thinking about it, I'd compare it to Magnusson's... let's say bold driving in the earlier races. Taking a penalty for the team. It's not a good look on the team, and the driver suffers for it

@Dyils 16 күн бұрын

1. Lewis Hamilton won on 3 tires once, he didn't pull over, he didn't even enter the pits and try to win the race from the pit lane so he won't have to do 1 more lap. He wasn't even going slowly and carefully. He was still PUSHING on 3 tires. 2. Fernando Alonso in 2018 brought his McLaren to the pits on only 2 tires! His steering didn't even work, so on the way into the pits, he had to literally bump into a wall to get his car to turn into the pits! My guy was literally wall riding! 3. Lewis Hamilton in Silverstone 2021 had a broken suspension after his collision with Max, brought the car back to the pits without retiring, repaired it under the red flag and went on to win the race! And I'm sure there's more examples. None of those people retired. None of them had to pull over. Alonso was literally having to bounce off the wall cause he couldn't steer ffs! There are many more examples of people suffering serious mechanical difficulties. If none of those is a "serious mechanical difficulty" than neither is having all 4 wheels and suspension still working. There's no way you can convince me that a broken rear wing and damaged diffuser is worse than a broken suspension or riding on your floor having to bounce off walls cause you can't steer.

@Fredhamnewey 16 күн бұрын

Because you are biased af

@CarimboHanky 16 күн бұрын

how different is this from lets say, the normal broken front wing? cars drive through the track with broken dragging front wings all the time, i dont get the fuss

@cockatoo010 16 күн бұрын

FIA's multiple standards approach

@davedee142 16 күн бұрын

His difficulties were not mechanical, it's aero.......

@obscuraapit 16 күн бұрын

HAHAHAh! Throw the rule books if you can't win on track. If Hamilton can drive almost an entire lap on three wheels, Checo perhaps can drive his damaged car to pit. Sure RB sort of pushed him to drive the car to the pit but teams often asks their drivers if they can drive the car back to the pit during such incidents.

@allinadadsday 16 күн бұрын

all teams would heave done this. so why the big call out at red bull. we had cars with wheels and suspension missing driving home. lewis won a race while driving with a flat tyre that could have exploded. so why now this bs

@Redlingstein 16 күн бұрын

Well said

@nickaalders3667 16 күн бұрын

their is a big problem with all of this. By what point is something considered to much damage? Like you said before the car returns you never truly know how much damage is done to a car. If you truly want to follow the rules to the point you shouldnt even be allowed to return to the pits if you break any part of the car. Punture? broken front wing? by the rules you should retire the car... I dont think thats what fans what to see... So I think Red bull didn't expect the grid drop and though they could get away with it..

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

The stewards here deemed a rear wing as a serious mechanical part since you can't swap it out quickly. It takes minutes to replace. Also Red Bull chose to spew carbon fibre across a live track instead of instructing Checo to use the escape road and retire the car.

@Redlingstein 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVSman, REWATCH GEORGE’s crash from Montreal 2023!,, he left debris all over the place driving back to the pitlane!! Never saw you make a hateful conspiracy theory on that one!!! And that’s just 1 example. Others have posted more example! You truly lost it with this vid….. too bad. Won’t be watching your vids for a while …

@pikanchion 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVS Surely there has to be more to it than that though, many parts that can't be swapped out easily (or at all) break without ever being considered an issue, and rightly so e.g. if the energy recovery system were to stop harvesting or the gearbox loses a gear. Falling back on the debris being an issue is also puzzling, given that when a front wing is dangling carbon fibre for several laps the driver is merely mandated (sometimes) to come in and change it (and if it falls off entirely then there's seemingly no issue at all). In fact, I would argue that the team did nothing wrong here, Red Bull should have not been fined. Perhaps some sort of argument could be made for Perez getting a penalty (but not under 26.10, maybe something else about dangerous driving?), but even that would feel harsh. I suspect that if Perez had simply driven to the pits slower, thereby reducing the chance of further dissassembly, we wouldn't have seen a penalty being applied at all. The rules and their application just feel so arbitrary at times.

@stefan6520 16 күн бұрын

Any comparison to Crashgate is just ridiculous. Actually the FIA document never mentioned Red Bull thought this was unsafe, all it says they wanted to avoid a safety car. So stating they deliberately broke the rules is just your personal interpretation, it's not in the FIA document. Still I don't really see why they didn't just tell him to park the car at turn 7/8, can't see how that would have caused a safety car either. As for your proposal to drive back against the direction of travel to the entry of turn 6, that sounds like a very dangerous idea to me, easily more dangerous than driving slowly back to the pits. In the end I'm fine with Red Bull/Perez getting a penalty for this, but it's once again a lack of consistency/clarity which is my biggest issue here. So you're not allowed to drive back if your rear wing is this damaged, but what if it's less damaged? What's the determining factor? And if it is dangerous to drive relatively slowly back to the pits with a broken rear wing, is that really more dangerous than driving full race pace with a front wing endplate which is about to come lose? Where's the line, what is and what isn't allowed?

@sharpbodies8992 16 күн бұрын

The real question is why is Sergio still in the seat when Tsunoda is destroying Sergio and Daniel every weekend. Sergio is driving a midfield car every race while Max is on way to winning another title

@raytubach8988 15 күн бұрын

Serious mechanical difficulties? What about cars that are stuck in 1 gear? That’s a serious mechanical difficulty but drivers do drive them back to pits without penalty

@BruceKarrde 16 күн бұрын

I hadn't considered the logistics part of the entire operation. And overall, I too wonder why he didn't just use the escape road. Others in the comments mentioned the floor and cranes and I think that's also a very valid reason. So far, Perez has been in incidents where the car had to be lifted. If it wasn't for his Monaco crash would we still have a competitive McLaren? Sure, photographers have the chance to take photos of the floors during building phase. However, when you've done a couple of laps, some dust may act like Flow-Vis, and tell the competition what it does. It sucks for Perez, it's certainly a corner to get wrong when losing concentration.

@Zidobox 16 күн бұрын

You guys cannot be serious with this comparison right? The amount of witch hunting against redbull at the moment is really sad

@tychothefriendlymonolith 16 күн бұрын

"He should park it. The damage is done" - Charlie Whiting to Merecedes after Bottas Baku Blowup.

@AirflowToTheTurbo 16 күн бұрын

As someone who's been watching and enjoying your videos for over 16 months, I'm a little flabbergasted that you're giving this nonsense oxygen. Incidents like this happen *all the time* in F1. Perez got a three place grid drop for driving in an unsafe condition. End of story. Another Crashgate? *Really* ? That was a deliberate crash, man... it's so far beyond this incident that the mind boggles at the comparison. This was a shunt followed by a crawl back to the pits to avoid a safety car, something that happens all the time, whether to keep yourself in the race or assist your teammate. Do you honestly think Mclaren wouldn't have done the exact same thing if Oscar had shunted in the closing laps at Miami? Will Buxton got absolutely demolished across the board for this ridiculous suggestion. The ongoing campaign to attack Red Bull in any way, shape, form or narrative this season on Sky and F1TV is truly a sight to behold. Lawrence Barretto pointed this out in the pre-race coverage on F1TV this week. When asked to give their predictions on the title fight, as usual everyone pushed the idea the Red Bull downfall would continue except for one guest, who suggested Verstappen would rebound. Barretto goes "I was going to say the same thing but i'm not supposed to." I wish you wouldn't add to it. At the very least you should be wearing your Mclaren bias hat.

@hmansvisuals 16 күн бұрын

“What if checo blitzed the next quali and gets pole” yeah like that’s ever gonna happen cmon now law that’s a bit far.

@CarimboHanky 16 күн бұрын

this is a nothing burger to be honest... i have seen similar damage in cars and no controversy at all

@martinavery3979 16 күн бұрын

I think it was just a screw up. If the stewards had been forced to red flag the race to clean up the debris it would have been even worse

@jasmine.rchrds 16 күн бұрын

5:44 all you need to say in response to that is Hamilton, Suzuka 2019 or even better. Massa, Hungaroring 2009.

@yoeriw7099 16 күн бұрын

Leclerc with his wing mirror falling off and nearly hitting Hamilton.

@jasmine.rchrds 16 күн бұрын

@@yoeriw7099 it did hit Hamilton and just narrowly missed his head, it took out Hamiltons own wing mirror as he swerved out the way

@yoeriw7099 16 күн бұрын

@@jasmine.rchrds I meant the driver not the car

@richardwood9177 16 күн бұрын

It’s not a crash gate comparison. Not even close. Red Bull knew exactly what they were doing. Stop the ridiculous over emotion. In football it’s called a professional foul. You now what you’re doing is technically wrong but if it helps protect the team then so be it. Red Bull had to protect Verstappen, especially with Ferrari not scoring points and Checo not helping the points scenario anyway. They now they’re in a fight and you do whatever you can to win the Costructors title. Best outcome for Red Bull. Do you really think Horner is losing sleep over it?

@marieltr 16 күн бұрын

It's risking Massa incident with the spring for a couple of points. It stinks because its ambition gone wrong. But, those décisions are made more often then we think. For some health < winning. Remember Charles racing without a working belt in spain? At least Perez was not just sheer incompetance

@dragonfire4957 16 күн бұрын

Must be the dame lewis grouppies as usual.... always blame someone/ something else!!!!

@23mberg 16 күн бұрын

In that case, with your vision of crashgate LH couldt finish his car at Silverstone 2020, this was to dangerous and he should have parked his car😂😂😂😂

@Supra_Rankin 16 күн бұрын

Im almost certain perez had taken back off himself after crashing before the team told him to not cause a saftey car

@iwanoutmans3537 15 күн бұрын

If it took you three day to come up with this video, how could Perez judge the damage on the rear end of his car from the cockpit in a few seconds? Or the team?

@TheMadPharmer 15 күн бұрын

I think the actual reason Checo was instructed to return to the pits was to protect the car from being viewed from multiple angles, possibly from underneath if it was necessary to lift the car onto a trailer to get it back to the team. I don’t think they were trying to protect Max or a win,but rather the secrecy of the underfloor.

@tehmurmur 16 күн бұрын

My memories are abit fuzzy of the leclerc Ferrari front wing incident, but I do remember Ferrari being very very sneaky in their way of trying to let leclerc stay on track. They were told by the fia to pit him which they did not.

@frankw8772 16 күн бұрын

Perez could have left damage on the corner, where Ferrari span off and Crashed into Alborn

@Between-Bikes 16 күн бұрын

And why did Sainz get away with ramming Albon?

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

Racing incident and he admittedly had no control over that slow spin.

@BrandoN-ie1np 16 күн бұрын

The brake was broken so he couldn't stop the car going backward to Albon

@cyanidejesus 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVS But in the same wild argument you're making here to make these 2 things the same, we could argue that by having to drive against the flow of the track that Carlos Sainz did much the same. Even though we see it's all the same all the time. This is completely different and way off. Almost always drivers follow the rule that unless the team tells them otherwise, get the car back if you can. We've seen plenty of other instances where cars have damage and are dumping carbon fibre on the track. I mean going by your stretch here, Carlos losing the side cap of his front wing earlier in the race was also dangerous and could have caused a puncture and should have been seen as a problem.

@DiscoStu65-sj6pu 16 күн бұрын

@@BrandoN-ie1np smooth operator isn’t as smooth as he thinks.

@Ducky39101 16 күн бұрын

I think the penalty is completely fair. But i also think its part of the game. If you have 1 driver carrying the team it seems like a no brainer to sacrifice the guy who wasnt even in the points when he crashed his car into the wall. Given how the points are distributed protecting a higher finish is worth loosing a few points further down.

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

The penalty was limited due to Red Bull not trying to plead 'not guilty'. They openly admitted their wrongdoing when there was a clear escape road to Checo's left.

@Ducky39101 15 күн бұрын

@@LawVS Yeah the part with Red Bull not sending him down an escape road seems like a total mess up on Red Bulls part. So they definitely left "performance" on the table so to speak by not using the escape road making it a complete non issue and avoiding the chance of a safety car caused by Checos debris.

@bram5825 16 күн бұрын

I don't think anyone will blame checo for 3 lost places next race. If he qualifies 3rd, gets 6th and finishes 5th people probably won't say he's washed. If he goes and qualifies 16th again then an extra 3 places won't matter. He just needs to show the contract was justified.

@Redlingstein 16 күн бұрын

Well said

@motelghost477 16 күн бұрын

You don't think it matters whether Perez qualifies on pole & starts 4th, as opposed to him going out in Q1? Seriously.

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

Of course that's an issue. Not even Horner could spin it.

@Super23_Super23 16 күн бұрын

Taking a grid penalty and a fine to ensure a race win?..... I'll take that anyday

@Purplebread7247 16 күн бұрын

Talk about drs activation timing. That timing felt off. As if they waited for norris to catch

@freeflyflicker 14 күн бұрын

It’s all in the wording. There were no mechanical difficulties, just damage to aerodynamic components.

@GenialLoki 15 күн бұрын

I am a Checo fan, but I've seen his struggles this year and after the Canadian GP I hope he get's to stand up and make every Checo haters see that he deserves to be there in RB, to show why he got that sit. I'm looking forward for the Spanish GP Vamos Checo!

@ashaide 16 күн бұрын

Two things: First, this shows RBR that Checo is willing to take this kind of hit. I'm sure he perfectly knew what he was being told to get into when they radioed to limp back to the garage. He's a veteran, after all. So what does this tell RBR? That Checo is willing to go this far for the team. Couple that with the reported merch sales he brings in - did you hear that Mexico is a growing economic power? - and maybe the decision to sign him up for the two years post-Newey doesn't sound so bad now, does it? Second, why is fourth a big problem? If Checo can make pole in Spain, then that means the car and he are good. Lewis was lower in the order for Montreal and look how far he got up. Or... K-Mag. Heck, if Checo can reliably put that RB20 in Q3 for Spain, then I'm sure he can climb up the three places he got docked. If not, then RBR loses nothing and Max got a win in. So... again: What's the problem?

@Redlingstein 16 күн бұрын

Checo MADE THIS HIMSELF. He stayed in Q1. He crashed on his own while driving P17……. RBR IS TAKING THIS YET ANOTHER DAMAGE COST HIT by Checo…..

@Umar-gw6fy 16 күн бұрын

If i were mclaren/mercedes i wouldve called up the FIA about it because redbull would have definitely done the same

@HN-ol7oz 15 күн бұрын

The positive and negative facets of Red Bull's approach are clear. They are willing to take extreme measures for their lead driver's position, even if it means jeopardizing another driver's career. This refers to the situations with Mark Webber and subsequently Daniel Ricciardo. Consequently, they will never secure Oscar P.

@stableianF1oracle 16 күн бұрын

Stop being silly. If the race had been red flagged with another incident or torrential rain Perez having his car back in the pits could have been fixed and sent back out and able to unlap himself.

@MahF1V10 16 күн бұрын

It was definitely in the gray area. I wonder if we will ever get answers to why he always has post Miami slumps. May be we will get answers when his book comes out, lol.

@benderunit44 14 күн бұрын

Red Bull really wanted the Grid Place penalty. This is to ensure that Checo is safely behind (not ahead of) K-Mag ;D

@darthclone5081 15 күн бұрын

Last time checo qualified on the front row was china and last time he got pole was Miami 23’ I doubt that 3 grid place penalty will do much harm.

@philreed3983 15 күн бұрын

this wouldn't be even talked about if Will Buxton had not opened his mouth. thousands of cars over the years have crawled back to the pits or the finish line in an appalling state. Fernando crawling back to the pits in Baku? should Lewis have pulled into the pits at Silverstone instead of crossing the line?

@zinion70 10 күн бұрын

No video is complete without the creaking of the ladder.

@Breselli 16 күн бұрын

I don't know all the rules of F1, but normally sports apply even stricter sanctions when a rule is broken with the intention of disrespecting the spirit of the sport or being unsportsmanlike.

@countadyn5327 16 күн бұрын

Like it matters if Checo starts from 17th or 20th :)

@DineshKumar-iu5pl 15 күн бұрын

Carlos was again his own mistake and he tried to correct it but collected Albon in the process who had no time to react. And throwing hypothetical situations in the name of analysis is worse.

@Ryzard 15 күн бұрын

2008 even being brought up is insane to me, and I know damn well the twitter post that started it. I think F1 Will Buxton? and he deleted it after pictures of Lewis Hamilton driving equally or more broken cars back (along with Schumacher and Alonso) got spammed in the replies. This isn't even as important as the RB car stopping on track a year ago after pitting, where people claimed it was a conspiracy for a safety car.

@Ootlander 16 күн бұрын

7:38 You almost got that statement out with a straight face.

@Ehm593 15 күн бұрын

Hardly comparable to crashgate. You weren’t around then, but crashgate was engineered by Renault to affect a result by bringing out a safety car. Perez’s crash was hardly on purpose, and he rapidly got out of the way. It’s true that Red Bull didn’t really want a Safety Car then, but they got one anyway through no cause or fault of their own.

@testchannelpleaseignore2452 15 күн бұрын

Didn't Riccardo drive the vast majority of Spa with no rear wing one time?

@brandonjames9620 16 күн бұрын

You're reaching with this one

@Tenchi001 16 күн бұрын

Laws, You always are so into the point, but You can't compare both incidents.

@LawVS 16 күн бұрын

Indeed, you can't. But it does make you think about Crashgate at least. I'm mainly trying to think WHY they even did it.

@aarrodri 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVS slippery slope.. don't become Alex jones dude..

@kristoffer3000 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVS Proper tinfoil hat territory here

@PbPomper 16 күн бұрын

@@LawVS Do you think every other team on the grid wouldn't have given the same order in that position? That's incredibly naive. RBR made the mistake of admitting it, that was their biggest mistake.