Why Rey Isn't a Mary Sue (Star Wars)

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The Star Wars sequel trilogy is the third trilogy of the main Star Wars franchise, an American space opera created by George Lucas. It is produced by Lucasfilm Ltd. and distributed by Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures. The trilogy consists of episodes VII through IX, chronologically following the prequel trilogy (Episodes I-III; 1999-2005) and the original trilogy (Episodes IV-VI; 1977-1983), serving as the final act of the "Skywalker Saga". Lucas had planned a sequel trilogy as early as 1976, but canceled it by 1981. He produced only the first six episodes, and for a time described these as comprising the complete story. The sequel trilogy concept was revived when the Walt Disney Company entered negotiations to acquire Lucasfilm in 2011. Lucas produced new story treatments, but these were largely discarded. Both the acquisition and plans to produce the trilogy were announced in late 2012.
The first installment, The Force Awakens, was released on December 18, 2015, after a 10-year hiatus between the prequel and sequel trilogies. It was directed by J. J. Abrams who co-wrote the screenplay with Lawrence Kasdan and Michael Arndt. Original trilogy cast members including Harrison Ford, Mark Hamill, and Carrie Fisher reprised their roles, co-starring alongside franchise newcomers Daisy Ridley, John Boyega, Adam Driver, and Oscar Isaac. The second installment, The Last Jedi, was released on December 15, 2017, with Rian Johnson as screenwriter and director, and most of the cast returning. The final installment, The Rise of Skywalker, was released on December 20, 2019. It was directed by Abrams, who co-wrote it with Chris Terrio.
The trilogy follows the orphan Rey and the plight of the Resistance against the First Order, which has risen from the fallen Galactic Empire. Rey learns the ways of the Force under Luke Skywalker and Leia Organa, and confronts Kylo Ren-the son of Leia and Han Solo, nephew of Luke, and grandson of Anakin Skywalker-who has fallen to the dark side. The first two films received positive reviews from critics, while the third received mixed reviews. The trilogy grossed over $4.4 billion at the box office worldwide, with each film surpassing $1 billion worldwide.
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@Wolfenzorn01 27 күн бұрын

My respect for putting this video out and my condolences for the hate you are getting for it

@sakunaruful 27 күн бұрын

I don’t dislike Rey the character. I just wish her character was better written and had progression in her character arc. The Rey and Chewbacca fanfic mentioned in Turtles all the way down was entertaining to read and watch in the film adaptation. The sequel trilogy should’ve focused on Kyle Ren/Ben Solo as the main character with Rey as the supporting side character.

@Dataism 27 күн бұрын

Interesting take.

@TheInfiniteSheldon 26 күн бұрын

Since 2008, Star Wars "fans" have called literally every female character in Star Wars a Mary Sue. Every. Single. One. Those "fans" have made it self-evident that they just don't like it when female characters contribute to the story in a meaningful way.

@Wolfenzorn01 26 күн бұрын

Rey was called a Sue by disappointed movie goers who didn't know how media analysis works but still wanted to express their issues somehow. Ahsoka was called a Sue by old EU fans who were mad at Dave Filoni for continuously retconning and contradicting established EU lore. Mara Jade and Jaina Solo were called Sue's by Disney Star Wars fans everytime a member of the old EU crowd that didn't like Rey brought them up as an example on how to do a female character right. Characters like Kreia, Vette, Tamith Kai or Bastila I never saw labled. And on the other Anakin, Luke, Obi-Wan, Kyle Katarn and Starkiller got themselves labled as Sues or at the very least Gary Stu's by various people by now too. So while it is true that a lot of female SW characters had the lable slapped onto them over time, I would be careful about using the mysogyny lable carelessly if I were you or to assume that everyone who ever used the lable is somehow always part of the exact same crowd

@TheInfiniteSheldon 26 күн бұрын

@@Wolfenzorn01 "Rey" "Ahsoka" "Mara Jade" "Jaina Solo" Don't forget Asajj, The Nightmother, Merrin, Barriss, Chuchi, Padme, Omega, Hera, Sabine, Satine, Bo-Katan, Kid Leia, Mon Mothma, Jyn, The Armorer, Qi'ra, Second Sister, Third Sister, Fourth Sister, Seventh Sister, and so on. Every female character since 2008 has been labeled a Mary Sue. It was going on for years before Disney even entered the picture. It began with Ahsoka, who got a lot more hate than Jar-Jar and Rey, and it quickly metastasized. "Characters like Kreia, Vette, Tamith Kai or Bastila I never saw labled." Tamith Kai is firmly in the mid-90s novels, Bastila hasn't appeared since 2006 as far as I know, Vette and Kreia were both labeled Mary Sues. "I would be careful about using the mysogyny lable carelessly" I would be careful about defending the sort of "fans" who carelessly use the Mary Sue label.

@Wolfenzorn01 25 күн бұрын

@@TheInfiniteSheldon Oh I ain't defending nobody ma'am. And as far as I'm concerned the lable has become a meaningless catch-em-all-term that angry nerds who don't know the terms meaning or how to do media analysis use as a way of calling characters they don't like badly written. However I know better than to assume that everyone who uses the term hates women in generell as I very rarely see the same people use the term for every female character and they usually name a plethra of female characters that they like as an example of how to write a woman well in their minds (people who hate Ahsoka or Rey usually name Mara, Jaina, Kreia or any EU fem character, people who lable EU examples usually like Ahsoka, Rey, Jyn and/or all the other Disney canon female characters that you just mentioned). Not to mention all the male characters that get labled as well, so if I was to assume that it's always the same fans who use the lable then I'd also have to assume them to be mysogynysts AND misandrists at the same time

@TheInfiniteSheldon 25 күн бұрын

@@Wolfenzorn01 "I very rarely see the same people use the term for every female character" I've seen it often. They rarely do it all in the same breath, but over a long period of time they establish a predictable pattern. Since 2008, whenever a new show comes out, those "fans" made their opinions clear on whoever the female characters were. It'll happen again with Acolyte. Take note who the female characters are. It won't be long before entire KZfaq channels analyze them while peddling the typical Mary Sue grift that has been applied to literally every other female character over the last 15+ years, and those channels will have no shortage of people in the comments section happily agreeing. "Not to mention all the male characters that get labled as well, so if I was to assume that it's always the same fans who use the lable then I'd also have to assume them to be mysogynysts AND misandrists at the same time" If any Star Wars "fans" make their motivations clear to you, you certainly don't need my permission to assume whatever you want. Pattern recognition is a useful skill.

@Wolfenzorn01 25 күн бұрын

@@TheInfiniteSheldon May I ask what corners of the internet you are usually residing in?