How Do We Feel About Shiki Tohno Overall Strength?

Shiki might be one of the best characters in the game but he is not a waifu, and that is one of the most important factors when choosing a character.

This dude Shiki hits me from half screen with some bullshit that's NOT a projectile. Top tier for sure.

Why Shiki is strong: Nanaya

shiki with the nanaya install is definitely top 1 in my opinion. i play him and abuse this stuff like crazy. the game is really balanced though a lot of the other characters are kind of disgusting in their own ways. shiki is just that "well rounded" protagonist we usually see in these fighting games except instead of being ok at everything he's pretty damn good at everything.

I agree Shiki has better neutrals. But I think Arcueid truly shines best on corner pressure. Arcueid has more oppression once she gets you to the corner. The thing with 214B is that, I actually use that as a mixup sometimes. Since it's nearly indistinguishable from the light version, shielding the 2nd hit isn't always guaranteed, so you get a free fatal grab if you read their shield. And if they don't shield, you get plus frames. Mashing will get them hit by the 2nd hit into an easy convert. And Arcueid can convert to a full combo on the corner off of a grab, which actually hurts a lot. Her a throw also gives her disgusting Oki in the air if she saves the airdash(this isn't unique to her, but its still something she has over Shiki's corner stuff) and since she's close to the opponent on wakeup, there are times itll even go through reversals if they DP on the wrong timing. Arcueid remains safe in a lot of her options, and shielding is dangerous in the corner against her EDIT: I don't mean arcueid better than shiki, I just mean, in certain situations, Arcueid also has her oppressive rushdown tools more effective than Shiki. I still think shiki has better tools since his is effective anywhere on the stage, while Arcueid's is diminished unless in the corner

i swear this dude Shiki converts off of everything 😂 any stray hit he gets on accident puts me into a full combo

I feel the reason why characters can have very good tools and not feel super busted in MBTL has to do with just how strong the defensive options in this game are. If the defensive options weren't strong a lot of characters would feel busted.

Petition for lore accurate shiki: decaying health, basic stab/slash attack, constant headaches but unblockable attacks (due to mystic eyes of death perception)

Very insightful, I didn't understand when people said it was strong, now I know.

If he super you once you're as good as dead. His mix up is so good, I don't know why in this game it's a good idea for character to have fast, good range, safe, and godlike 50/50. On top of anything, he's also mad easy to play lol.

2:20 they can actually forward tech away from the corner if you don't use the super version. But that's where the mind games start. Because you can predict their forward tech and punish it. So you juggle between instant teching, where shiki has to commit to a dash in to get meaty jab, or forward tech to avoid meaty. You just have to guess. You can't just watch if shiki runs in and then forward tech, since the tech window is smol

The ex followup to Arc's dp is 66c the normal follow up is just B. Also the reason why Arcueid isn't as good as shiki with hard KD is that Arcueid is a corner carry rushdown character, and Shiki is a vortex character. they have similar tools but use them for different ends, which ultimately makes them not as comparible and makes the "shiki is just a better Arcueid" comment more of a surface level analysis. Arc doesn't want you waking up in midscreen for mixups because she doesn't have many. she wanted you teching in the corner or off walls to trap you/bait you into shield punishes. Her rekkas also exist to steal turns like shiki's delayed extension from 214 so it would be more fair to compare that to hsi slide instead of her 214. Is shiki strong? hell yeah. but that's because he's a consolidated character from everything that made him and nanaya good in previous games. not because he's better than arc who's not playing the game the same way.

I actually took interest in playing shiki because of nanaya install and spam banana hands.

9:23 i know this is a year old, but in older versions of melty, nanaya's 214B *was* a low, and only lost that property in exchange for being jumpcancelable in AACC

This video made me a shiki main

I was at the 4o4 local last Friday scrubbing it out with Arc and I got into a discussion at the end of the night with a Maids player about the strength of Arc. He thought Arc had lost a lot of what made her unique in previous games and she was really stale in this game. Then I saw this video. Arc has everything she needs to win, but it seems she has to work a little harder than some of the other characters. Then again I could easily be proven wrong.

Shikis 2c is as fast as Vlov's 5A bro 😳

shiki cute as well tho

The Ryu of a game is designed to have every basic tool for the meta of their specific game

Arc traditionally has good mix ups and strong corner carry. They really nerfed her from prev versions imo.

the fact he gets Oki off of Unblockable attacks is really getting to me as a player with no unblockables lol

What I'm essentially trying to figure out here.... Is shiki stupidly ahead of the rest of the cast similar to how sol was to the rest of strive, or simply top tier in the way that devil jin was in tekken 7, where beating him was still very possible (earlier in the games life cycle)

Ah yes a better arcueid k I guess I won’t switch arcueid is a waifu lol but he will probably be my second main

I still feel her neutral b charge in the corner is busted due to armor and can combo off it . And it counts as a standing overhead.

9:44 anyone know the command for this special?

TL;DR Great framedata, pressure, and oki

He doesn't like "this chair"

I will be in my Ciel player corner....crying.

I’ll tell you what it is. It’s that goddamn slide kick. If you read this you don’t even have to watch the video now.

heres my shiki guide : round start heat arc drive now your nanaya have fun lol

What's the outro song?

isnt because he is the protagonist? xD just like sol bad guy, Jin kazama,Akira Yuki xD

Pretty much "your mother" the character

Y'all crazy if u think he top 1