WHAT! Holy cow man

Holee shit

YEAH BUT THEY PLUCK THE TURKEY AND COOK IT!!!

I'm not spending 50 us bucks on 5 shells. That's a waste of money

If reload tss the cost savings makes the $ negligible.

@Jason Creech Dude someone's ripping u off!

That's all that matters!

I just patterned Longbeard #4s (Mossberg Turkey Choke) and TSS #9 (used Carlson TSS Choke) at 35 yards and really is not even close. While both shells did deliver killing shots, the TSS put 35-40+ lethal hits per shot whereas my best longbeard shot put 8-10. Now maybe I could use a tighter longbeard choke, but TSS gave me a bigger, denser spread with way more shot. Not to mention that Longbeard pattern isn't getting any denser further out. To each their own and I understand finances are different for people, but once I start thinking about tags, gear, and gas money an extra $50 doesnt seem ridiculous for the extra confidence I have in not worrying about crippling one up

Lmfao nitro shells you are absolutely correct sir.watched my buddy kill a long beard at 78 yards not steps yards with number 5 xrs and dropped him in his tracks.

@@jiveturkey231 yeap i love them shells do you know what gun and choke he was using?

@@mattd8411 it is a 3.5" 870 an i almost positive its a jellyhead choke

@@jiveturkey231 awesome thanks buddy. Mines a 870 as well i love it. I spent 80 on a Indian creek choke and the one that came in the gun patterned better. Our birds in east tn on government are skittish but I was able to get one at 70 and one at 60 last year.

@@mattd8411 hell yeah! I love them shells I'm glad they make it in 20 gauge now ima try my 20 on a few this year.

Right! Thats how i hunt my stuff has to eventually pay for its self and at 50 bucks or 10 bucks a shell does not make sence.

If you only hunt turkeys for the meat than your in it for the wrong thing. I bet you spend money on nice calls n camo...

@@BluecollarMan92 after all the costs and time spent your never breaking even turkey hunting. deer is a different story. 2 turkey bag limit aint coverin shit no matter how jewish you are

@@baitball4665 You bet wrong. The right things would be... to feel like a man? to feel the thrill of killing? For a nice walk around outdoors? No one shoots a turkey to put it on You Tube but leave the kill in the field to rot. If you do not eat what you kill, I do not know what the right thing would be. Never mind.

Outta goose guns and shot them at 30 yards. All this is gone do is make people shoot them way farther end up with more crippled birds and drop the population of birds cuz it ain’t no challenge no more

Turkeys around us have learned how to stay clear of hunters and stopped coming to imperfect calls. Just like our best deer disappear as soon as squirrel season starts. We hunters had to change our tactics to meet natures survival challenges.. Remember when deer never looked up?

Yep, I remember when 7 1/2 was the load to use. Get 'em close, shoot 'em in the head.

@Travis Thacker For my Michigan Hunt it was 800 for the guide and land use- 50 for the shotgun camo wrap-meals and travel was 300 bucks- my out of state license was 170 bucks for ONE BIRD. unpaid time off work was 1200 bucks so WTF- why risk a lost bird for a few dollars. ????? Also my Kentucky hunt got cancelled due to Corona 19 and travel restrictions.. At east that was 2 birds.. No license refunds either... another couple thou wasted.. You may ask why not hunt at home in Northern Indiana? Dude, the costs ar the same except local Turkey licensing and no more that 50/50 chance at a bird due to heavy hunter pressure

Yea I would like to see them compare to long beard xr

You better have a good dentist.....it just shatters teeth

At least its not toxic if you swallow it

I wonder why they showed the TSS pattern hitting high-right in the first couple shots. The lead pattern looked on-target. And with a scope, no less!

@@TheGregstorm a scope? Lmao what a dumbass

U right. .a switch off

Tricky Lil rascal

The TSS 9s will pass completley through the body of a turkey and keep going you rarely ever find pellets in them.

Well if you shoot them in the head and neck like you’re supposed to, it won’t be much of a problem. Lol!

See i shot the longbeard xr horrible patterns at 20

Not to take away from TSS, because it truly is superior, but this is a point that is often missed. The only way to get more pellets per ounce is to have pellets that weigh less. At some point, you have to start thinking about the energy that each pellet holds at the distance you're wanting to shoot. A #9 TSS pellet does, in fact, weigh less than a #5 lead pellet. That being said, the #9 pellet is ballistically superior and will hold more energy downrange. How far can a #9 TSS go before it won't penetrate reliably? I haven't found that answer yet. What I do know is that a #6 lead pellet will kill at 50-55 yards with a MV of 1200fps, making 50 yards easy with a 3.5" gun. If you want to go further than that, you have to look at TSS and find which pellet will do what you need.

@@jamesrigby5178 makes since to me now but the way every one advertises it is that one #9 tss is heavier than one #5 lead

@@mikelhardin3869 the claim I've heard is that it carries more energy at a specified distance. You can look at pellet counts and tell that it's not heavier than a #5 or it wouldn't have more pellets in each shell. What's harder to verify is that downrange energy number. For me, it's really splitting hairs. Federal #7 TSS is a solid 60 yard round for me and I killed a bird at 70 when I misjudged the distance.

FishingupstateNY might as well start using rifles on them at this point

@@MrBassfisherman98 Some states allow rifles for turkeys. It takes more skill to take a turkey at 60 yards, than it does at 20. That's why things have changed. At 20 yards there is no need for special shot or special chokes.

@@CamaroZ28Nut3 I have shot many turkeys in the 15 to 25 yards range. I have shot them on the ground and in flight as they took to the sky. The reason Winchester came up with the Long Beards is for longer shots. Up until I found out about them, I only took a couple of turkeys over 50 yards once in awhile,. Namely because they refused to come any closer or it was too wide open. Talk about visibility. I practice long shooting. I work on reloads. I even have one more potent than Long Beard. It takes skill in many areas to do what I have been doing: taking turkeys over 60 yards consistently. My shot last year was closer, and I took it because I was running out of time available for me to hunt. It was only 54 yards. Had I waited, it would have only been around 20 yards. Watch my video on it. You will see me pass up the chance for a double because where I was hunting I was only able to take one bird. You will also see me wait until the other two there could not be injured by stray pellets. Which by the way, I have taken many doubles at less than 20 yards. Doubles, that means two in one shot, not two in two shots. A few years ago I used my Browning Citori over under, and took two in one shot and a second one with the second shot. 3 birds, in two shots, less than 10 yards away. Tell me it doesn't take skill to do what I do. And by the way, for your misinformation, In the old days people shot turkeys out of the trees from early evening to early morning. Many were shot with rifles and not shotguns, even in daylight hours. How skilled is that? Some states still allow rifles to be used as well as shotguns. There was none of this B.S. of sitting around with a call squawking all day back then. That has only happened since turkey seasons were created and came under management. If I want to exercise my skills and take a 60 yards shot, then I can do it. Even if I pass up a 20 yards shot to do it. I've taken 3 over 60: 62, 63, and 64 yards. All were one shot drops. Let's see you do it, and then you can see just how hard it is to set up for such a shot.

@@CamaroZ28Nut3 One more thing. I have shown people how to walk up on turkeys, and I mean walk up to them and shoot them. I've walked up and stood still and had turkeys all around me waiting for the big one to get close. That's when I shoot them out of the air because they jump up and fly when Iam that close to them. But the people who don't listen and think I am dong it all wrong, go year after year without filling their tags. Some have even quit because they think it's too hard to get a turkey. (doing it their way) Statistics show 70 percent of turkey hunters who run and gun, will fill a tag. Ironically, 70 percent of those who sit and call will not. Look it up.

TSS 9s are legal in Missouri ive hunted with them for several years in MO you should check your regulations a little more closely they say shot no larger than number 4 there is no minimum shot size in your state.

#9 shot is much smaller than #5 shot, so many more pellets fit in the same size shell.

@@getthatcornouttamyface2461 But they measured by weight, not volume. Two ounces of #5 lead was 400 pellets. If a pellet of #9 tungsten weighs as much as a pellet of #5 lead then 2 ounces of the tungsten will still only be 400 pellets. The OP is right, they lied in the video. In order to get twice as many pellets of the tungsten they would have to use twice the weight.

You're right, good point .

@@getthatcornouttamyface2461 Don't worry, it took me a minute to catch the mistake. It was one of those things that "sounded right". Like the old joke; what weighs more, a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers? But now I'm really curious what would happen if you did load it by volume and get twice as many pellets. You'd obviously have to increase the powder charge to push the extra weight. That might mean you couldn't load it quite as heavy. Seems like it could make a wicked home defense load though. Smaller pellets with the same weight would have to penetrate better since they would be putting force on a smaller area. Can you imagine the mess 400 #9 pellets would make at five yards? Even 200?

And since tss is heavier than lead. Imagine how many #9 lead pellets you could fit in the shell for 2 ounces of shot.

Tungsten is denser... sp the smaller shot/pellets weigh the same as larger pellets

SOAonline well if it weighs the same then it should have she same number of pellets

Jesus christ, look up the density of tungsten vs lead. The tungsten is #9 shot, about a mm smaller than #5, of course you're gonna get a bigger pellet count

Don't know if this Pendleton makes it but you can Google search tungsten TT shot, its available. Don't want to mention the name of the company on this manufacturer's video

@@chrisholifield8571 thanks for the info

Apex Ammunition loads deer and predator TSS loads.

He tripped and broke his neck

Jason Creech why would you ever shoot a turkey at 107 yds. Your full of shit just like Billy Dickerson

YEAH BUT YOUR CALLING IN DEMOCRATIC TURKEYS THEIR REALLY DUMB!!!

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That's why a person needs to use a scope for long distance's. Red dot sights are not reliable at long distances for being accurate.

A #9 TSS pellet is heavier than a #5 lead pellet

I agree the #9 TSS weigh about 1.2gr and the #5 lead weigh about 2.5gr. The #9 TSS is closer to weighing the same as #7.5 lead. you could have a lot more steel pellets than lead in 2.25 oz because pellet weight is lighter. Now as far as density the #9 TSS probably more superior because of their density. Pellet count is impressive but need actual gel penetration to prove it's more lethal

@@matsgranqvist9928 I don't think so.

@@derekbeyers8804 yeah I stand corrected. Nr. #7 tss is virtually as heavy as #5 lead

@@matsgranqvist9928 yes. Not trying to give u a hard time lol. I was looking at the #9 TSS for turkey. Illinois dropped the minimum shot size from #7.5 to anything as long as it's #4 or smaller. #9 TSS looks awesome I think

Amen. If you shoot 2 turkeys a year...your still lasting 2.5 years haha. Just practice with junk loads My arrows cost 30 a piece easily n i snap em in half on deer all the time

Travis Lewis....Not impressed with the 20 gauge TSS pattern? You're off your meds dude. That's a SMOKIN' pattern.

“Why shoot TSS turkey loads” was literally the title of the video. What exactly did you expect?

If you want a video that isn’t biased maybe look up a video that doesn’t have a title that literally is fixing to be a bias to the load he’s talking about.

Mr. Lin I saw a post on KZfaq mentioning selling TSS 9 months ago, what is your current price for 2.0 mm to 36784?