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Why solving a rational inequality is tricky!

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@akarooyyy
@akarooyyy 2 ай бұрын
bro said "thats just life" what has he gone through 😭😭🙏
@infswrld
@infswrld 2 ай бұрын
shush
@edwardblair4096
@edwardblair4096 2 ай бұрын
The other way to think about this is to consider a graph, as if it were an equation. For B, we have the equatiob x² -3x -4 = 0. This will be a parabola with the ends sticking up. We know the intersection of the parabola with the X axis from his solution, so it is easy to see that the ends sticking upward are the regions that are above zero. For a, we see that we can transform the expression into the form of (the parabola from equation b) over (the linear expression 3x+4). When you graph he linear expression, you get a line with a Y intercept at (0, 4) and an X intercept of (-4/3, 0) Now draw both lines on the same chart. The equation of interest is the parabola divided by the line. From the sign analysis you can see the same results as g8ven: Less than -4/3 the parabola is positive and the line is negative, so the result is negative. Between there and -1 both the parabola and the line are positive, so the result is too. Between -1 and 4 the parabola is negative and th line is positive, so the result is negative, and greater than 4 both are positive. A few other things to note is are: 1. where the line and parabola intersect, the rational function will have the value 1. 2. Where the parabola has the value zero the rational function will as well 3. Where the line goes through zero, the rational function will have a vertical asymtote. As you divide by smaller numbers the rational function's value will approach positive or negative infinity. These last don't really help solve the problem at hand, but are interesting to yhink about.
@Ninja20704
@Ninja20704 Жыл бұрын
Another way would be to multiply both sides of (a) by (3x+4)^2 instead so that we can be sure the inequality direction is preserved so we get x^2(3x+4)>(3x+4)^2 x^2(3x+4)-(3x+4)^2>0 (3x+4)[x^2-(3x+4)]>0 (3x+4)(x^2-3x-4)>0 (3x+4)(x+1)(x-4)>0 And then do the sign chart I don’t really know which way is better, I like my way because we at least dont have to deal with fractions.
@Vikdeb25502
@Vikdeb25502 Жыл бұрын
I kinda like this one too.
@Ninja20704
@Ninja20704 Жыл бұрын
@@dinonugget2479 yes
@Hgggghhhfria1593
@Hgggghhhfria1593 4 ай бұрын
You did it wrong 😅
@Ninja20704
@Ninja20704 4 ай бұрын
@@Hgggghhhfria1593 No? This is still a proper method that works all the time.
@Hgggghhhfria1593
@Hgggghhhfria1593 4 ай бұрын
​@@Ninja20704 Not always , imagine a question where we deal with odd exponential power , this method is only valid with always positive variable (x)²'⁴'⁶''' etc.
@OmnipresentPotato
@OmnipresentPotato 2 ай бұрын
Usually when it comes to this, I consider the two possibilities (when the denominator is negative, and when it is positive) and make an interval for both (sort of like solving a modulus equation). So, for example, the denominator here would be negative for x < -4/3, and positive for x > -4/3. Then, I'd multiply the denominator and solve as normal in the positive case, and flip the sign in the negative case, and then find the intersection between the interval I defined earlier and the solution interval for both cases
@rithvikarun7112
@rithvikarun7112 2 ай бұрын
yea i do the same
@ManjulaMathew-wb3zn
@ManjulaMathew-wb3zn 6 ай бұрын
Great knowledge on inequality problems and being very careful as needed.
@leealex3692
@leealex3692 2 ай бұрын
for the left ineq>1, 3X+4 must >0 because x^2>0 , so just indictical to the right ineq with additional condition: 3X+4>0, its much easier to understand
@honestadministrator
@honestadministrator Ай бұрын
Case I : 3 x + 4 > 0 x^2 - 3 x - 4 > 0 ( x - 4) ( x + 1) > 0 Either x < - 1 or x > 4 with a precondition x > - 4/3 Hereby x > 4 is only set of feasible solution Case II : 3 x + 4 < 0 x^2 - 3 x - 4 < 0 ( x - 4) ( x + 1) < 0 - 1 < x < 4 with a precondition x < - 4/3 This designates a NULL set
@matdryz
@matdryz 2 ай бұрын
You can also notice thqt since x^2 >=0, 3x+4 has to be postive too for the LHS > 0 (and its >1 so it has to be greater than zero). Then you can just multpily ny denominator and solve it like the other inequality (just keeping in mind that 3x+4>0)
@ts9dream
@ts9dream 2 ай бұрын
what are you on bro why does 3x+4 have to be positive?I don't think you understand the question.It asks us for which values of x that equation is true it's not stating that 3x+4>1 .Maybe x can be -2 (for example) and see that x² is positive but 3x+4 aint
@matdryz
@matdryz 2 ай бұрын
@@ts9dream are we both talking about the inequality a? as I wrote "3x+4 has to be positive too for the LHS > 0" we have x^2/(3x+4)>1 we now that x^2>=0 for any value of x in R let's assume 3x+4
@butterspread4104
@butterspread4104 2 ай бұрын
im a french student and its pretty funny bc you guys do the "sign table" in a completly different method than in france! and btw in what grade do you learn this ?`
@user-ue9td4hr4v
@user-ue9td4hr4v 11 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. I'm in College Algebra. I got all my homework right after watching this.
@ThePeterDislikeShow
@ThePeterDislikeShow 2 ай бұрын
I actually teach algebra and calculus at a community college and watch these videos to hone my teaching methods!
@forgetfulnight4868
@forgetfulnight4868 2 ай бұрын
sorry for asking but in what country is this kind of exercises college level?Because in Greece this is like 10th grade stuff. I also happen to study mathematics in university and none of our classes(43 completed classes needed in order to graduate) are even remotely as easy as this stuff
@teddybear2cn
@teddybear2cn 2 ай бұрын
When you say "we care about these values," the reasoning is weak or unexplained. It's better to evaluate the inequality when 3x+4 is positive, negative, and zero separately.
@baconboyxy
@baconboyxy 2 ай бұрын
The bigger explanation is because sign changes can occur when a graph approaches 0 or an asymptote, we check those points on the number line to find where the signs are positive and negative and then answer from there.
@mryip06
@mryip06 2 ай бұрын
case 1 3x+4 > 0, x > -4/3 x^2 > 3x + 4 x^2 -3x -4 > 0 x < -1 or x > 4 -4/3 < x < -1 or x > 4 case 2 3x+4 < 0, x < -4/3 x^2 < 3x + 4 x^2 -3x -4 < 0 -1 < x < 4 no solution combining, -4/3 < x < -1 or x > 4
@invexical
@invexical Жыл бұрын
can you just use a sign chart?
@tmd4378
@tmd4378 Жыл бұрын
yes but sign chart is different for them
@jofx4051
@jofx4051 Жыл бұрын
Uhh wasn't he using that...?
@simplebutpowerful
@simplebutpowerful 2 ай бұрын
Someone didn't watch the vid
@eddievangundy4510
@eddievangundy4510 Ай бұрын
​@@simplebutpowerfulwhich is okay.
@ChaineYTXF
@ChaineYTXF Ай бұрын
A sign table/chart would me waaaaay better
@cyansorcerer6491
@cyansorcerer6491 4 ай бұрын
thank you so much for this.
@miacoolfacex
@miacoolfacex Жыл бұрын
I was so stuck! perfect explaining Thanks
@tiago58
@tiago58 2 ай бұрын
Is this correct: -3.5/3? I never saw an ordinary fraction written like this. Wouldn't it be -7/6?
@Hanible
@Hanible 7 ай бұрын
you multiply both sides by 3x+4 while adding the restriction (x> -3/4) then instead of (-inf,-1)U... you have (-3/4,-1)U.... etc edit: and for the sign chart, you could just see the value between, -1 and 4 (0 for example), and since it's a second degree polynomial you know it's a parabola so you inverse the signs outside the (-1,4) interval.
@simplebutpowerful
@simplebutpowerful 2 ай бұрын
You mean -4/3 but yeah
@Hanible
@Hanible 2 ай бұрын
@@simplebutpowerful yeah haha
@user-jk1sl7tb6s
@user-jk1sl7tb6s 2 ай бұрын
for 3x+4>0, we have x^2 -3x - 4 > 0 we get x > -4/3 and x >4 and x < -1 => x = (-4/3, -1) and (4, inf) for 3x+4 -1 => x = nothing you only need to know what will happend when divide neg number
@Pengochan
@Pengochan 3 ай бұрын
1:24 Maybe tell people why we care about those numbers. These are the zeroes of the polynomial, i.e. where it can change sign, and we're looking for the positive solutions.
@dangerous_woman
@dangerous_woman 2 ай бұрын
Also worth mentioning that depending on zero's (or root's) multiplicity the sign can stay the same. Imagining it as a parabola graph really helps, it made me understand it.
@ValidatingUsername
@ValidatingUsername 2 ай бұрын
It’s the only real way to solve for domain and range, but what do we call the z and t or nth dimension where the function exists? Or are we claiming it’s axiomatic that range is the dependent variable when only two variables are considered?
@lechaiku
@lechaiku 3 ай бұрын
Much easier is this method: (x^2) / (3x + 4) > 1 ------> D: x must be different than -4/3 (x^2) / (3x + 4) - (3x + 4) / (3x + 4) > 0 (x^2 - 3x - 4) / (3x + 4) > 0 now we can multiply both sides by(3x + 4) ^2 (which is a positive number) (x^2 - 3x - 4) (3x+4) > 0 (x - 4) (x+1) (3x+4) > 0 We don't need to test any numbers, because it is just wasting of time. Just draw the number line and a "rough-draft" of the parabola and draw a line through the point -4/3 (an increasing line because m > 0) a > 0 -----> the arms of parabola directed above the x-axis / | / | I I / I I ----------------------o-------o------o--------------> x - ∞ / I _ I +∞ / -4/3 -1 4 we instantly can see x-intercepts and the part of parabola and the line which are above the x-axis (y > 0) so the solution is: x = ( -4/3, -1) v (4, ∞ )
@Hgggghhhfria1593
@Hgggghhhfria1593 2 ай бұрын
u drew the whole graph 💀💀 📈
@philj9594
@philj9594 2 ай бұрын
@@Hgggghhhfria1593 Bro just plugged this into ChatGPT and then tried to use it to flex. That's how ChatGPT draws graphs lol. While this method is fine, I think inequalities are much easier to solve without trying to graph them. Yeah, you have to plug in numbers, but it's quick.
@lechaiku
@lechaiku 2 ай бұрын
@@Hgggghhhfria1593 Not exactly. We don't know where is the vertex of parabola. That's why it is only a "rough-draft" of it.
@tonyennis1787
@tonyennis1787 6 ай бұрын
3:45 all else being equal (and it isn't, that's why you made this video), the solution for (a) cannot be x = -4/3. But on problem (b), -4/3 is a valid solution. Yowch.
@wassollderscheiss33
@wassollderscheiss33 2 ай бұрын
To get from x^2-3x-4 to (x-4)(x+1) you *test in your head* which numbers a and b give a*b=-4 and a+b = +1?
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx
@xXJ4FARGAMERXx Жыл бұрын
x²/(3x+4) > 1 If 3x+4 is pos, then the inequality is x² > 3x+4 x²-3x-4 > 0 (x-4)(x+1) > 0 pos neg pos -------(-1)-------(4)-------- x < -1 ∪ x > 4 If 3x+4 is neg, then the inequality is x² < 3x+4 x² -3x -4 < 0 (x-4)(x+1) < 0 pos neg pos -------(-1)-------(4)-------- -1 < x < 4 So in sum, we have If 3x+4 > 0 3x > -4 x > -4/3 Then x < -1 ∪ x > 4. But we already said x > -4/3, so the first part becomes -4/3 < x < -1 and we have -4/3 < x < -1 ∪ x > 4. If 3x+4 < 0 3x < -4 x < -4/3 Then -1 < x < 4. But we already said x < -4/3, so this whole thing is gone So what we have in the end is -4/3 < x < -1 ∪ x > 4.
@gheffz
@gheffz Жыл бұрын
Excellent. Thank you for clarifying that!!! _"Just do it the safe way! That's it!"_
@fatgrandpa9376
@fatgrandpa9376 4 ай бұрын
could u explain the linear inequalities that are having the modulous function
@ILove_ALL
@ILove_ALL 29 күн бұрын
when you use this neg pos chart, just check one and when you come a care point it changes and goes like neg pos neg pos but when you have 2 of this number like you got number 4 2 times that means you wont change and it goes like neg pos neg pos pos neg pos neg...
@BilalAhmed-on4kd
@BilalAhmed-on4kd 2 ай бұрын
u can multiple by (3x+4)² on both sides
@elionsakshith3508
@elionsakshith3508 Жыл бұрын
Wavy curve for the clutch
@vukkumsp
@vukkumsp 2 ай бұрын
Vwry interesting... In school days, I always confused why those are not same.
@okaro6595
@okaro6595 Жыл бұрын
I would have divided it into two based on the divisor and then multiplied it away. The first oen woud give x-4/3 and the results of the right side problem.
@black_earth1996
@black_earth1996 Жыл бұрын
This is because Multiply both side (3x+4) We did not care about pos or neg If we care it we can get a solution
@Lordmewtwo151
@Lordmewtwo151 Жыл бұрын
6:26 Okay, I was kind of expecting a simple fraction between -1 and -4/3 like -7/6 for example (which was technically used, but not the simple way).
@simplebutpowerful
@simplebutpowerful 2 ай бұрын
My approach was just to plug -1.2 into the original equation. (-1.2)^2/(3*(-1.2)-4) = 1.44/.4 > 1. Since the inequality direction never flipped, I think it was safe for me to assume that the sign chart would be the same.
@mathmachine4266
@mathmachine4266 2 ай бұрын
x²/(3x+4)>1 (x²-3x-4)/(3x+4)>0 (x²-3x-4>0 iff 3x+4>0) and neither are 0 (iff means both are true or both are false, AKA XNOR) ((x-4)(x+1)>0 iff x>-4/3) and x≠4 and x≠-1 and x≠4/3 ((x4) iff x>-4/3) and x≠4 and x≠-1 and x≠4/3 x is either greater than -4/3 and over the range (-∞,-1)U(4,∞) or it's less than -4/3 and over the range (-1,4). The latter is impossible. Therefore x is in the range (-4/3,-1)U(4,∞). If you look at the graph, you'll see y=x²/(3x+4) is negative if x is less than -4/3, undefined at x=-4/4, and positive otherwise. In the positive range, you see y goes down from ∞, dips below 1 at x=-1, starts increasing at x=0, and then dips above 1 at x=4 and increases indefinitely. So...I'm right.
@bandamkaromi
@bandamkaromi Жыл бұрын
Wow. Very good!!
@dragonmaster909
@dragonmaster909 8 ай бұрын
Why union? Why not that upside down "u" sign?
@swordofjustice7444
@swordofjustice7444 4 ай бұрын
Sorry for the late reply! The upside down U is the intersection, or the values shared between the two intervals. The Union is all of the values in both of the intervals, which is what we want.
@ventriloquistmagician4735
@ventriloquistmagician4735 2 ай бұрын
you sometimes forget to say 'care about' when saying 'care', probably because you can just say 在乎 when speaking chinese
@ChickenMaster7
@ChickenMaster7 22 күн бұрын
I love you so much
@andreward8510
@andreward8510 2 ай бұрын
3:30 important
@DRAAi_wHity
@DRAAi_wHity Жыл бұрын
I never commented on a math video before but I never felt more triggered just multiply both sides to get the second equation😂 3:22
@DogoBoy
@DogoBoy Жыл бұрын
You can’t because you don’t know what x is. Since x could be a negative number, and multiplying by a negative number flips the sign, it doesn’t work
@Lordmewtwo151
@Lordmewtwo151 Жыл бұрын
@@DogoBoy He even addressed that fact.
@Lordmewtwo151
@Lordmewtwo151 Жыл бұрын
Earlier he pointed out why that doesn't work (and he said *exactly* the same thing as the other person in this thread). He's also gone over something similar regarding why one function or inequality doesn't equal another when on the surface you could just multiply out the denominator to get the same result. I don't remember what the functions were, but I think it had something to do with square roots.
@DreamingTown
@DreamingTown 2 ай бұрын
solve for 5-3x -------------- < 2 x²-4x-10
@urktac6515
@urktac6515 2 ай бұрын
A/B>0 if and only if A*B>0 ...
@sadeqirfan5582
@sadeqirfan5582 2 ай бұрын
Awesome.
@EynkiYoom
@EynkiYoom 2 ай бұрын
Plain answer will be: "Because it is not an equation. Thus, you cannot perform anything you want on both sides"
@chucksucks8640
@chucksucks8640 Жыл бұрын
This is a real stumper for me because they should be the same equation and therefore had the same answers but I started to think what you are doing when you divide both sides by 3x - 4. If all 3x - 4 were non-zero answers then there shouldn't be an issue but when you divide by 3x - 4 you are introducing a zero with x = -3/4 and dividing by zero is not possible therefore it creates problems in the equation.
@michaels333
@michaels333 Жыл бұрын
And that would be fine if the were equations. But they are inequalities.
@Infernalith
@Infernalith Жыл бұрын
4 and -1 are excluded because its not *or* equal
@shauryakaushik8879
@shauryakaushik8879 Жыл бұрын
Hey! It would be really kind of you to listen to this and actually clear my doubt which could’ve been of many people but they just accepted it at school and forgot the why? My question is when we represent numbers like rt(3) on a number line we can easily do that by using pythagoras theorem.Its also very intuitive But, (Now comes the actual part , for the sake of conv. I’ve stated it here)pls make a video for this The things is when we encounter numbers like rt(9.3) oof that number takes a bit of construction like making a line then adding 1 unit to it then making circle marking the point on that circle then taking that point making another curve which finally marks the point rt(9.3) Hoping that you are familiar with it , kindly explain this strange magical seeming concept about circles. 🙏🏼
@abhimanyusingh9489
@abhimanyusingh9489 Жыл бұрын
Let's say we are representing (x)^½ on number line We mark x {name this point X} and when we add one to it the distance becomes (x+1) {name this point A} now we bisect (x+1) , the distance of this point from 0 is (x+1)/2 {Name this point M}. MA=(x+1)/2 since M is mid point of OA. MA is also the radius of the drawn circle. now we draw a perpendicular at X,let it cut the circle at Y. MY is also radius of the circle hence its length is also (x+1)/2. MX length is (x-1)/2.triangle MXY is a right angle triangle with angle X=90° ,by Pythagoras theorem XY=(x)^½ Hope this helps
@dumitrudraghia5289
@dumitrudraghia5289 2 ай бұрын
Aiureli!
@James-dv9wz
@James-dv9wz 9 ай бұрын
thank you so much😏😏
@indiasingh6891
@indiasingh6891 2 ай бұрын
which grade is this
@chaoticfn2644
@chaoticfn2644 2 ай бұрын
11 if ur from india
@OrenLikes
@OrenLikes 5 ай бұрын
Why not include ±Infinity?
@chsaarth
@chsaarth 5 ай бұрын
because we don't like infinity
@arcane-2947
@arcane-2947 2 ай бұрын
You cannot include infinity
@OrenLikes
@OrenLikes 2 ай бұрын
@@arcane-2947 i'll ask again: WHY?
@boguslawszostak1784
@boguslawszostak1784 3 ай бұрын
We use a simple method, which we call the "snake method." We transform the inequality into a form where one side is 0 and the other side is a rational function by moving all terms to one side, as in The movie. We find the zeros of the numerator and the denominator and determine their multiplicities. On the number line, we mark the zeros of the numerator with solid small circles and the zeros of the denominator with empty small circles. We check the sign of the limit at positive infinity. Depending on the result, we start from the right side either from the top if it is positive or from the bottom if it is negative, drawing a "snake" through all the circles. We change the sign for roots with odd multiplicities and "bounce off the axis" for even multiplicities. The solution becomes visible. This method is permissible in exams. To clarify, while this specific method might not be widely recognized by name in English-speaking countries, students there often learn similar techniques for determining the sign of rational functions over intervals. The key steps of identifying zeros, plotting them on a number line, and analyzing the intervals are common practices. This method helps students easily remember the rules for determining the sign of the function and is acceptable in exams in Poland
@stephenbeck7222
@stephenbeck7222 3 ай бұрын
The ‘snake’ method is taught some in US. But the ‘test points’ method that BPRP does is more generalizable to more complex functions (non-polynomials/rationals) where it may be difficult to recognize whether they have an even or odd multiplicity pattern at the roots.
@boguslawszostak1784
@boguslawszostak1784 2 ай бұрын
@@stephenbeck7222 You are right.
@Robert-er5wq
@Robert-er5wq 2 ай бұрын
a) is wrong.... for so many cases. So fix that first and thrn we xan ask whether we have to think about multiplying by 3x + 4. ... And for those cases for which a) is true, you can simply multiply by 3x + 4 without worrying about the relation sign.
@charlessweeting9669
@charlessweeting9669 2 ай бұрын
Multiple both sides by 3x+4
@vinijoncrafts2882
@vinijoncrafts2882 2 ай бұрын
My markers dissapeared, I wonder who took them 💀
@kevinseptember2917
@kevinseptember2917 2 ай бұрын
When you test the equation with -2 you must get positive and not negative. Your entire Notation is INCORRECT.
@kevinseptember2917
@kevinseptember2917 2 ай бұрын
Apologies, you are correct. -2 does not satisfy the equation.👍👍
@SmashingCapital
@SmashingCapital 4 ай бұрын
The trial and error way takes so much time thats not how you do it
@swordofjustice7444
@swordofjustice7444 4 ай бұрын
How would you do it then? Imo this is a really safe way to do it, and in ur head you can definitely do it faster than how he does it here
@SmashingCapital
@SmashingCapital 4 ай бұрын
@@swordofjustice7444 the numbers you care about are the zeros, so you put for each of them pluses on the right between each number and minuses on the left, once youve constructed a table you multiple or divide the signs and obtain where the function is negative and where it is positive
@dangerous_woman
@dangerous_woman 2 ай бұрын
@@swordofjustice7444 Make the table of the roots from left to right as they increase. Draw single or double circles at the borders depending on the root's multiplicity. Then look at the main coefficient's sign, if it's positive put (+) at the most-right and then change it at every root except when it has even multiplicity.
@tombraidering
@tombraidering 2 ай бұрын
@@swordofjustice7444 After making the graph and denoting the multiplicity of the roots with single or double rings, start the rightmost with the sign of the main coefficient, if it's all in factors multiply their x'es and put that sign and then change the sign at every ring (odd multiplicity) or keep it the same at double rings (even multiplicity)
@ahlawat0007
@ahlawat0007 3 ай бұрын
Lol,me solving these easily (I'm Indian)
@LimitasiLeonson
@LimitasiLeonson 2 ай бұрын
very nice
@venoosoo7758
@venoosoo7758 2 ай бұрын
its in indian dna
@lookingforahookup
@lookingforahookup 6 ай бұрын
Solving inequalities is not tricky
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