Why Stannis Didn't Ally With Robb Stark?

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Did you know in the books Stannis didn't ally with Robb Stark because he was bitter towards Robert and Ned Stark's brotherly relationship? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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@nolangerrans6083 Жыл бұрын

It’s also important to recognize that Stannis sees duty very differently than a lot of other characters. He doesn’t even seem to want to be king for himself. He’s only doing it because he’s next in line and that’s what he should do and so he does it without question. Stannis is that way with most things in his life, and he expects that others should act the same. In his mind, he shouldn’t have to ask Robb for help. Robb should be the one coming to him because it’s the right thing to do. Why should he have to beg for help that is customarily just given to a rightful heir, from a person that is rebelling against the throne? Same thing with Renly, although in that case Renly was being just as unreasonable. That’s how he sees things and it’s a mindset that stannis slowly begins to grow beyond as the books progress through the help of Davos, but by then it’s too late to ally with Robb and so instead he goes to Jon and offers him a very generous deal in exchange for his help.

@daphneglasurus7886 Жыл бұрын

It’s crazy to me how people view different characters so differently when they all make similar actions in regards to honor. When we meet Ned, he kills a man for running for his life from the Others and intends to kill dire wolf puppies, and yet because we love his children and see from the Stark POV, he instantly and consistently gets everyone’s support. Stannis is extremely similar to Ned and yet he is hated. Daenerys kills the Tarlys for treason and both of them are not at all kind people, yet people site a behavior like that as evidence of her madness. It fascinates how certain characters seem to garner full support from the audience and others who behave within the same confines of honor are mistrusted and hated.

@SaltoDaKid Жыл бұрын

@@daphneglasurus7886no even remotely sense you’re outlining and reframing Ned, issue with Stannis he was person who didn’t enjoy simple things in life was always about law and order. Why Renly someone who was beloved and smart knew to be good ruler you need be highly respected with a personality people can imagine you as. Ned was great man which everyone in 7 kingdoms knew from his story and the kind of honorable man he was. Stannis didn’t get earn that title.

@unlivingviking Жыл бұрын

@@daphneglasurus7886In the books it is stated that Ned believes that the Others have been gone for over 8000 years and that he believes that the deserter was lying. It is also stated that deserters will stoop to any level of evil because they know that they are marked men, doomed to die. Despite this he was still willing to send the letters to the deserter's family as he was asked. As for the wolf pups, it's important to keep in mind that these are actually direwolves which are known to grow MUCH larger than normal wolves and are more ferocious. Their mother has also been killed and so they would be doomed to starve or preyed upon either way, so killing them was in fact a mercy. Letting his children keep them as pets was a massive risk and he only agreed to keep them because Jon who pointed out that the animals are the symbols of his house, and that they were meant for his children, and he only accepted it because Jon had neglected to count himself as a Stark so that the pups would be saved. Even then, it wasn't until after Summer saved Bran from being assassinated that Ned started to believe that was true. It is also stated that the people in Winterfell are also unnerved by the wolves. As regards to your comparison of Ned and Stannis, it is important to note that Stannis acts out of justice (or rather fairness clouded by entitlement) and not honor. Honor would have prevented him from killing Renly, but he was able to do so, because Renly was denying him his right and so it was 'just' for him to die. Ned on the other hand would never have entertained the thought, as he was even willing to end the conflict with the Lannisters without bloodshed despite Renly and Littlefinger's urgings, and after even getting an outright confession from Cersei for the near killing of Bran. Ned is honorable while Stannis is guided by justice that is what seperates them. I didn't get far enough in the show or the books to know about the Tarlys so I can't speak on that.

@officialyoungmari Жыл бұрын

⁠@@unlivingvikingyea i think is just not honor or duty at all. he is just for the most part and even sometimes justice rly isnt justice for example i somewhat understand davos loyalty but he was just a smuggler and it seems like his only crime was not paying taxes 😭😭 the whole chop half his hand off after he saved u from starvation and almost losing ur home is some bs.. u say he doesnt want to be kjng but he was upset that renly got storms end. this is a case of i cant keep getting royally screwed over and not some i dont want to be king but i rly have to bs. that doesnt even make sense.

@davidlewis5312 Жыл бұрын

@@unlivingviking yeah Stannis would have NEVER warned Cersei in the hopes of saving her children's lives. Stannis in fact intends to execute them (possibly even give them to Mel) and while I am sure no one begrudges the fate of Joffrey, this includes Myrcella and Tomman who thus far have shown to be good natured.

@nunyabiznes33 Жыл бұрын

Cressen's prologue POV is pretty sad and gave a glimpse of the life of a maester. They're supposed to be indifferent to the family they are serving but they are also human and it's not hard to develop attachment to a family you basically grew up in. He didn't had to do it but he personally believed Melissandre is tearing that family and resolved to get rid of her himself.

@Bolsonaro_em_Haia Жыл бұрын

Indifferent? That is a surprising take. The way I see it, it is quite the opposite. Maesters truly care and try their best to act in the best interests of the people they serve, even when it is Theon taking over Winterfell.

@zakhawker344 Жыл бұрын

@@Bolsonaro_em_Haia They are supposed to care about their duties, but they're assigned to castles, not families, so they're supposed to serve impartially. Cressen shows the conflict that causes because he effectively raised Robert, who Stannis hates, and Renly, who Stannis is at war with, and worries that Stannis and his courtiers will suffer if Stannis goes through with his decisions or keeps being influenced by Melisandre.

@Lord-of-The-West-Weald Жыл бұрын

Yeah specially the part that he goes on about stannis watching as Cressen is being mocked and he's like that's not you fam 😂 the old Stannis would have done something because if anything the mannis is just

@zakhawker344 Жыл бұрын

@@Lord-of-The-West-Weald there's a theory that Melisandre told Stannis what Cressen was plotting and Stannis was trying to stop him, either to protect Cressen or avoid proving Melisandre's visions right (at this point Stannis wasn't totally convinced). I don't 100% buy it but it's the only good explanation I've seen

@youre_totally_right_but_ Жыл бұрын

It was sad bc even when Stannis is clear in replacing him with Pylos, when he dies he still regards Stannis as his son who was misguided.

@stekman9620 3 ай бұрын

That's the problem with Stannis. He believes that everyone should support him because it is their duty, but when Ned Stark, being the king's Hand, called him to court, he did not fulfill his duty, and when Stark recognized him as king and was captured by the Lannisters, he did nothing to save his vassal. Stannis believes that the king should have no friends, and as a result sees that the lords are in no hurry to support him. He chooses the wrong ways to spread his influence, burning Septs and Weirwood, demanding the worship of the Red God. That's why Robb Stark, the Dornians, the Tyrells, and even his own brother don't want to support him. He is completely un-diplomatic, too narrow-minded and uncompromising.

@scoliosis9478 3 ай бұрын

By the time Ned called him to court and was killed there was nothing Stannis could do. I mean the vid itself specifically states that Stannis didn’t get Neds message. I think this is a little uncharitable to Stannis. To him winning the throne unjustly is equally as grim as losing the fight for the throne. Robb is proclaiming two independent kingdoms when not even a decade before the story takes place the whole realm, and especially the Starks, fought a war against the Iron Islands specifically for the purpose of saying Kingdoms cannot break away from the throne. Obviously Stannis has a gruff personality and legalistic code of justice but he is definitely able to inspire love and loyalty in people. He couldn’t have held Storms End if the men of the garrison didn’t believe in him and he has people who have stuck with him from the defeat of the blackwater all the way through to the freezing conditions of the march on Winterfell. The main reason nobility doesn’t like him is as Varys says that he is a “truly just man” and they aren’t used to justice applying to them too. You can say his methods are impractical for winning the throne but I think he embodies a bit of heroism by not taking the easy way and being willing to lose if winning would mean compromising whats right.

@stekman9620 3 ай бұрын

@@scoliosis9478 Ned had summoned Stannis long before he was killed. And how could Stannis not receive the letter if he then immediately found out that Ned Stark supported him after Robert's death? Robb declared independence because his vassals demanded it of him, and the North helped suppress the Greyjoy rebellion because Ned and Robert were friends. And as a result, Joffrey is a bastard, and Renly and Stannis did not help rescue Ned Stark from the Capital, although there were plenty of chances. No wonder the Northerners and rivermen did not support the Baratheons. Your rhetoric contradicts itself. A rude and uncompromising person is not capable of instilling love and devotion. The book and the series proved it. The fact that the lords and knights of Stormlands are loyal to him even after Blackwater speaks to their vassal oath. They were not loyal to him when Renly was alive, which already proves their position. The main reason for the dislike of the nobles for him is not in Varys, but in the wrong policy of Stannis. He burns septs and weirwoods, the more he turns the lords against him. He does not try to make alliances, although he understands perfectly well that he will not succeed without them. Despite the fact that you see the heroic in Stannis's actions, it still won't help him achieve power.

@subutaynoyan5372 3 ай бұрын

@@scoliosis9478 Ned summoned Stannis to court months before all that shenenagans happened. Stannis was the Realm's master of ships. He was preparing for war even before Ned set foot upon Iron Throne. Nobody knew what the hell he was doing in Dragonstone, he wasn't responding to royal commands, wasn't heeding Hand's instructions etc.

@Shauntheduke. Ай бұрын

"Robert was the true steel. Stannis is pure iron, black and hard and strong, yes, but brittle, the way iron gets. He'll break before he bends. And Renly, that one, he's copper, bright and shiny, pretty to look at but not worth all that much at the end of the day."

@aleturano1052 Ай бұрын

If only he had been the youngest sibling, he would have carried Renly all the way to that Throne...Renly's charm with Stannis' hard fairness sounds like a match made in heaven (assume they get over their family issues)

@hankogle6858 Жыл бұрын

It’s pretty obvious that Stannis idolized his older brother and wanted recognition for his devotion to him. Ned was always Robert’s equal and most trusted friend. Ned gave him his respect as king in public. In private he would express his opinions if he thought Robert was wrong. Robert knew Ned only spoke from a position of honesty and what was right. Which was important because he knew that Ned was probably right.

@mrscaryfox3955 11 ай бұрын

Ironically The rogue prince is similar in this regard

@hankogle6858 11 ай бұрын

@@mrscaryfox3955 they compare the rogue prince to Megor the cruel. Which is really just Otto trying to create a divide. Reading a Megor,he really wasn’t so much a cruel king. He literally inherited a mess from his weak brother. So he had to act quickly and violently to save everything. Which he couldn’t seem to switch off once he got everything normal. Ironically in both cases if brothers had worked together. They both complimented each other and would have made the 7 kingdoms better.

@Ashbrash1998 11 ай бұрын

Didn't Ned call him out publically at the council meeting? To the point he resigned? He pretty much was just like Stannis except Robert loved Ned more than the brothers he actually had, just like henloved a girl he never really knew.

@subutaynoyan5372 3 ай бұрын

Stannis never understood that, his sense of justice is too brittle, he does more wrongs than rights with that mentality, in his mind, everything has to be in some totalitarian order. Yes, it would be just, but Stannis is far from fair, because he doesn't recognise people's tendencies, wants needs. All he sees is duty. There was this scene from the books, I think it was Baelish, said that Stannis wanted to abolish brothels and ban whoring completely, because it was against the laws of gods and men. And Robert responded that they should prohibit eating and shitting while they're at it

@oolooo 4 ай бұрын

Stannis should have allied with Robb the nanosecond that Eddard Stark was captured .One of his biggest blunders was his belief that people would and should naturally submit to him at once instead of trying to befriend them .Kind of similar to Joffrey in that regard .

@Alexsmith13579 2 ай бұрын

ya if he had allied with robb as soon as possible they may have gotten the allience before robb is declared king of the north. then there would only be 4 kings in the war and when renly dies only 3. they would be pretty much guaranteed to win at that point

@ferrm1992 26 күн бұрын

That way he could have even avoided the North from separating. Have the North and the Riverlands fight the West. Offer Shireen’s hand in marriage with Robert Arryn to secure at the Vale or to Tristane to secure Dorne. Lots of what ifs

@TearYouApart360 Жыл бұрын

If Stannis had taken King's Landing i think Robb would've bent the knee.

@SUBHK001 Жыл бұрын

Not sure about it. I believe there would have been another war after the defeat of the Lannisters, maybe Tyrells would have allied with Rob rather than support Stannis, meanwhile Dorne, probably would have supported Stannis crashing Lannisters

@stc3145 Жыл бұрын

Dont think his Vassals would agree since they just made him King

@zacharyshoemaker835 Жыл бұрын

@@SUBHK001 The Tyrells had aims of creating a poltical marriage with the King of Westeros whomever it would be. They'd likely plot to have Stannis' wife killed and marry Stannis. Allying with Robb makes no sense. Robb had no intention of claiming Westaros. He only crossed the Twins to save his Father. After his father died he stayed to defend his allies in the riverlands, not go on the offensive.

@nicksmithnutmilk Жыл бұрын

@@stc3145they would . They agrewd when Jon bent the knee to his Queen 😂😂

@SUBHK001 Жыл бұрын

@@zacharyshoemaker835 mmmm not sure. The could have tried it when Renly died but they preferred to side with the Lannisters.

@isaiahpittman1749 11 ай бұрын

“Robb stark, who would steal the northern half of my kingdom?!? I’ve always served thieves according to their desserts, as you well know ser davos” one of my favourite stannis the mannis quotes in the show

@Jon14141 3 ай бұрын

Damn

@isaiahpittman1749 3 ай бұрын

@@Jon14141 the Baratheon’s are just built different

@celter.45acp98 11 ай бұрын

Stannis problem was he failed to realize that you can have all the rights in the world but if nobody wants you as their king you're screwed. That and like that one northern lord said they bent the knee to the dragons not to the throne the crown was lucky the north didn't reclaim it's independence the second the last dragon died

@TheWhiteWolf.CowrieShellKing Жыл бұрын

Melissandre definitely was not fucking with Cresson in the books. She along with Selise/Selyse mocked him

@idontknowanymore7689 Жыл бұрын

She wasn't fond of him and had a few quick quips but not the same as Selyse or the show

@MrBeachDoctor Жыл бұрын

Melisandre is the one who put patch face's crown on Maester's head.

@johnhein2539 Жыл бұрын

Indeed. I remember that scene way differently

@Jon14141 3 ай бұрын

@@johnhein2539 Damn

@aleturano1052 Ай бұрын

Of course it's fucking Melisandre lol

@tylerwill5688 Жыл бұрын

Matter of fact if Renly was a real person he would back Stannis for a more likely win knowing stannis hasnt produced a male heir or he could of tried to usurp him after they got rid of the Lannisters…. But nah only the Lannisters could be the smart ones in game of thrones

@davidlewis5312 Жыл бұрын

I will agree that Stannis made Renly a perfectly reasonable offer. But also is not an offer. By the law code Stannis purports to support, Renly is his heir.

@alantyndall85 Жыл бұрын

They're much younger in the books. Ned and Cat (and I think Robert) are mid 30s, while Stannis is even younger. He'd have a long wait and Renly wasn't much for waiting. He also thought he'd already won and that Stannis would be a terrible king, so had no real reason to back down.

@Karlonstark Жыл бұрын

@@davidlewis5312That isn’t true, Shireen would come before Renly. It’s a pretty big deal that Stannis would be willing to set her claim aside for Renly.

@nicksmithnutmilk Жыл бұрын

@@Karlonstarkthe Lords would have supported Renly . Even if Stannis captured King's Landing and dies of old age or something , Shireen gets crowned and then what ? Dance Of Stags with an obvious winner

@Karlonstark Жыл бұрын

@@nicksmithnutmilk The person I responding to was talking about who is legally the heir, I corrected them that Shireen is the legal heir, Renly would come after her and Stannis naming Renly is heir would mean setting Shireen aside. That is all fact. Of course what actually happens is not always (or even usually) in accordance with the law, as it was with Robert. He took the crown by force and because he had the support to hold it. They came us with a flimsy legal justification after the fact but everyone knows that that isn’t the real reason he is king.

@The80sWolf_ Жыл бұрын

My knees bend by default even by seeing Stannis

@MUDA.MUDA.MUDA.MUDA. Жыл бұрын

Damn son

@davidlewis5312 Жыл бұрын

beta

@davidcabreonmunoz6258 Жыл бұрын

@@davidlewis5312 Not everyone can be a Sigma like us.

@aquibaquil2476 11 ай бұрын

The one true king

@MUDA.MUDA.MUDA.MUDA. 11 ай бұрын

@@aquibaquil2476 The One with the rizz to rizz up witches

@bethfinne3260 Жыл бұрын

And this is why letting personal bitterness rule your emotions and thinking, can ruin a perfecty good strategy or plan. And why some people, some, don't get where they want to be in life.

@Meodread Жыл бұрын

I mean it's more Stannis just inflexible ideas on well everything. He honestly couldn't really conceive of why he had to ask anyone for loyalty owed.

@daviz088 11 ай бұрын

"And why some people, some, don't get where they want to be in life". Oh? Firstly, duh. Secondly, Either u ride a horse higher than any found in GoT or u are describing someone that slighted in the past.

@bethfinne3260 10 ай бұрын

@@daviz088 I'm 54 years old. I've made good choices and bad choices in life. I've watched other people do the same. I've done my best to learn and do better, but am still human and not perfect. I've been reading ASOIAF since forever. I'm allowed to comment and have opinions like millions of fans. This is a fairly common opinion about Stannis and in the ballpark of lots of fan discussions regarding Stannis. I do not understand the ruffled feathers.

@stormstriker2000 16 күн бұрын

When did u first read that book?@@bethfinne3260

@stevenlovejoy6838 Жыл бұрын

Let's be honest, Robb and the North were dumb for seceding to begin with. If anything Stannis should've offered to give the North the same treatment that Dorne is given by making it a principality rather than a sovereign kingdom. Robb could've been Prince of the North and been able to run the North as he saw fit so long as he was loyal to the Iron Throne.

@kingkongchief1177 4 ай бұрын

Stannis’s flaw in his personality is he’s all about law and order. Sometimes doing the right thing involves breaking law and order because not everything right is legal and not everything legal is right. Stannis expects everyone to think that way. Like how Ned’s downfall was he expected everyone to have honor like him. It’s why people didn’t support and like Stannis like Renly or Robert.

@renferal5290 Жыл бұрын

I am really enjoying these shorts. I am now reading the books

@renferal5290 Жыл бұрын

@@qwsazx Your right.

@lawdawgm2844 Жыл бұрын

@@qwsazxthese shorts are the reason I am now considering reading GOT

@Norman_Sm Жыл бұрын

@@lawdawgm2844did you purchased it or... ??

@ladyraven2256 Жыл бұрын

Which one have you begun with?.Also considered reading the books 📚

@Jon14141 3 ай бұрын

The first few books are good

@tylerwill5688 Жыл бұрын

Rob should of went to Stannis since his own father Ned proclaimed him the rightful king

@fraudhawk2774 Жыл бұрын

But the thing is nobody not even Ned's own family knew about his intentions of making stannis the next King The letter he was trying to send stannis never left the king's landing and he himself got killed before he could tell about it to anybody else

@Dolcetto_ Жыл бұрын

Even if he did supported stannis his army was the weakest, not a wise choice it means you're going against the 2 biggest armies in the war.

@fraudhawk2774 Жыл бұрын

@@Dolcetto_ huh? Are you saying northmen's army was weak?

@DeadSilence27 Жыл бұрын

@@Dolcetto_who army was the weakest?

@Dolcetto_ Жыл бұрын

@fraudhawk2774 no

@amateurhourwithsam3356 10 ай бұрын

Would loosing the North be that be a deal in the end? Yes it’s the largest of the kingdoms but the Northerners actively avoid everyone south of the Neck and don’t produce food or other valuable resources like other kingdoms. The Riverlands, yes, but the North?

@1998topornik Жыл бұрын

Poor Cressen :(

@Jon14141 3 ай бұрын

Indeed

@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 Жыл бұрын

This is very good background information. 😂

@davidbadillomirete8226 6 ай бұрын

Stannis waited too long, Robb was declared king because they needed to make a choice they just recieved news of Ned's death and of Renly deciding to crown himself king with support of the stormlands and reach with a claimed based on popularity, Stannis was silent, he had more than enought time to declare himself king before Robb fought the first battles, but he didn't he didn't reveal the truth about Cersei's children until Robb was already king, as far as the northern lords new Joffrey was the rightfull king, the only options were to bend the knee to the people who killed Ned, to Renly just because he wanted to be king or to Stannis when he had been silent for months and hadn't declared himself king, nor revealed that he had a claim nor had an army, Robb himself spoke in favor of stannis and would have bend the knee to him but stannis was silent for too long

@chadnorris8257 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, you don't get to sit on your ass for half a year, then complain that people aren't lining up to serve you.

@MortenLongbottom Жыл бұрын

Stannis realized that Cersei's kids weren't Robert's and didn't to anything, he just hide like a rat in Dragonstone.

@MortenLongbottom Жыл бұрын

@@redwhanchoudhury4183 you are talking about the show, I'm talking about the books.

@mappingshaman5280 Жыл бұрын

And what do you expect him to do? Jon arryn was murdered and it looked like the lannisters were responsible. If he stayed in Kings landing he would have been vulnerable and would likely have ended up like jon and ned did. If he tried telling robert it would have looked like stannis was grasping for power. So he did his best to consolidate what power he had.

@Dolcetto_ Жыл бұрын

In the books Stannis and Jon knew the parentage of cersei's children, but he knew how the game was played. Going out in the open would just paint a target in his back. Taking into account that since Robert has no legitimate children he would be next in line for the crown, while true could be interpreted by others as a way to seize said crown.

@whatisreddin7367 Жыл бұрын

he literally told the hand of the king, what more do you want him to do? When Jon Arryn dies, he obviously thinks hes next because he didnt know Baelish and Lysa killed Jon Arryn instead of the Lannisters. He cant tell Robert because Robert wouldnt believe him without Jon Arryns backing, proved when Robert immediately heads North to ask Ned to be Hand instead of Stannis who was on the Council the whole time.

@davidlewis5312 Жыл бұрын

the whole point of demonstrating this to Jon Arryn was to get Jon to convince Robert of the treachery, as Stannis was perfectly aware of what this would look like to Robert if he brooched the subject directly. I am sure he would have done the same with Ned but then Lysa kills Jon Arryn, Stannis thinks it's Cersei, HECK Pycelle thought it was Cersei and covered it up thus making it look EVEN MORE like it was Cersei.

@JustAFan444 11 ай бұрын

Stannis is probably the most badass character in the show. Awful how they ruined him. The Blackwater is one of the best episodes of the series with the best line. "Hundreds will die" Stannis: "thousands".

@mattsterh7740 11 ай бұрын

Wasnt stannis's wife more of a fanatic and stannis was kind of going along eith it?

@fazediamond5671 11 ай бұрын

Yea

@popejpv 6 ай бұрын

More importantly Robb should have honored his father’s last wishes and supported Stannis

@flavius5722 4 ай бұрын

This was never Ned final wish , he bent the knee to Joffrey and accept the wall , but Joffrey kill's him anyway , his last wish was to his gods to protect his childrens

@bambostarla6259 2 ай бұрын

These 2 would have been an unstoppable duo!

@excludedkratos 2 ай бұрын

Rob wanted to free the north, and stannis didn't agree on that vision.

@bobdemort 5 ай бұрын

In the end, King Stannis already joined the Nothermen through the Night's Watch and the Free Folk. He's the only King of the 5 kings to care. THE KING WHO CARES, STANNIS I BARATHEON!!!

@NHBoudy Жыл бұрын

Stannis is the rightful King. Why should he ally with a boy who wants to take the largest kingdom ? I love Robb but he should have sworn allegiance to Stannis as Lord of Winterfell, like his father wanted to.

@whatisreddin7367 Жыл бұрын

yeah I blame his Lords for pressing him into becoming King Of The North. Stupid way to alienate any alliances and is basically what got robb killed

@magister343 Жыл бұрын

Aegon the Conqueror may have already conquered most of the Seven Kingdoms, but he was not named King until he knelt before the High Septon and was granted that title by The Faith. Aegon had to at least nominally convert and agree to rule in accordance with the Faith of the Seven. Stannis broke that tradition when he converted to the religion of R'hllor, which in the eyes of most Westerosi means giving up any claim to the Iron Throne. Granted, the folk in the North who follow the Old Gods would not care so much about that, but Stannnis burning Hearttrees is also a dealbreaker for them.

@sr_ryoadm 9 ай бұрын

Stannis is knew of the incest and Jon Aryn's murder, and all he did was turn tail to Dragonstone. Robb was not the traitor, he was. He betrayed his brother, the king, House Stark and all the seven kingdoms.

@thedrinkinggamemaker9749 4 ай бұрын

And why the fook would he have done that

@Ruosteinenknight 10 ай бұрын

Stannis also always saw himself as the king of all of the seven kingdoms. With that, suggestion of letting the north go was always a bit of a nonstarter.

@johnmitchell4043 6 ай бұрын

Had stannis received ned letter it may have changed stannis' opinion of ned

@atulrcks 19 күн бұрын

If stannis allowed robb to let north be independent and not riverlands , 6 kingdoms would've been better as the north doesn't really contribute that much.

@runkelpokk9 3 ай бұрын

Rob should have made it clear that he sides with Stannis and the two would have easily won the war

@kingRukus39 Жыл бұрын

Stanis is selfish in a way that Ned isn't despite having very similar views when it comes to duty. No one likes Stanis so he feels slighted and wants his moment in the sun. Ned is the man Stanis wishes he was and hates him for it.

@yomamma.ismydaddy216 3 ай бұрын

Can’t believe Stannis didn’t tell Robert about the parentage especially after Jon Arryn died, what a dick

@bruh-ni1fy 3 ай бұрын

It's doubtful if robert would have believed him. They didn't have a good relationship.

@Rizu-kc3ze 10 ай бұрын

What are these comics? Are they fully updated? Where to read them?

@FathersUnited-fu 10 ай бұрын

Stannis did everything in the books that a King should do. Fight for the throne, avenge his family & honor, go to fight against the threats of Wildlings & white walkers, setting up to avenge House Stark. He deserves the throne. He's the kind of King a corrupt nation like Westeros needs.

@YourGraceMyLady Жыл бұрын

These comics look amazing

@yigiterdal2302 4 ай бұрын

where can i buy them ?

@BlackQback Ай бұрын

Poor Ned. Since Bobby B. re-entered his life, not one thing went his way. So sad.

@zachsmith7836 5 ай бұрын

I haven't read the books, but from what i understand, Stannis fled Kingslanding because he knew of Jon Arryns death and the cuckolding of Robert. Stannis doesn't even try to tell Eddard or Robert anything and is just waiting for his chance to claim the throne over Ned and Robert's corpses. Stannis comes across to me as a bitter, jealous, and vengeful mongrel who deserves nothing and Robert was right in bypassing Stannis and giving Storm's End/Stormlands to Renly. The North and The Riverlands were right in declaring their Independence... All hail The King of The North and The Trident

@vladimirs8560 3 ай бұрын

Wrong. Stannis was the one who discovered the truth about Cersei and Jaime and he told only to Jon Arryn because he was the only honorable person in Kings Landing (Eddard was in the north far away). Robert wouldnt believe Stannis because he hated his brothers. There was no point in telling him.

@sabrinaleedance 2 ай бұрын

Woah Stannis knew way before Ned it makes me wonder who else knew

@Norman_Sm Жыл бұрын

How to download ASOIAF as a manga book like you shown in your video ??

@FerretJohn 2 ай бұрын

Stannis is Iron: strong and hard, but brittle and unyielding. There is no negotiating or compromising with him, he was the rightful King of the Seven Kingdoms, that's the way things were, he would not recognize anyone else as King.

@Tofflan-tr8zr 10 ай бұрын

Can you read the comic adaptation of the book anywhere? And do they include everything in the book?

@amazedalloy 11 ай бұрын

In the book, it's basically because of how Robb phrased a letter

@Kahgro 4 ай бұрын

Because Stannis is the rightful king of all seven kingdoms, including the North.

@YuriBoyka-pi3yc 10 ай бұрын

I guess with the exception of Lord Tywin none of them knew the expression " all is fair in love and war" 🙂

@jaredsrananman6642 Жыл бұрын

Is there a GOT comic? Where did the artwork come from?

@Yambag 8 ай бұрын

We do not choose our destiny

@faisalkamal4319 Жыл бұрын

Rip cressen

@Nameless0061 3 ай бұрын

Should've done it. It would be an easy victory.

@Jaggaraz218 24 күн бұрын

Stannis should've offered Shireen to Robb meaning that the kingdom would be united anyway

@mithicash1444 Жыл бұрын

I would absolutely love a game of thrones comic that is true and accurate to the book. I would pay good money for it too.

@LekeO 6 ай бұрын

Imagine if Renly Stannis and Robb United. You have the reach stormlands north and river lands. I think the vale would come into the fold as well. Seeing this the dornish would jump at the opportunity to seek vengeance from the lannisters.

@flavius5722 4 ай бұрын

We already had the Reach Stormlands and the was not away North ,because Renly with all his defects was a good diplomat , anything that Stannis had did had only made the lannister stronger

@georgeprchal3924 11 ай бұрын

Because kings have no friends, only subjects and enemies.

@amurwasunda Жыл бұрын

Where i can read that comic version?

@formerunsecretarygeneralba9536 23 күн бұрын

In the show, Renly demanded that they have a defense alliance and Rob swore an oath, the same words of allegiance that Ned said to his brother Robert. So, essentially, everything would be the same but now Rob gets to be called king in the North (but not The King) and Renly is on the throne. So, why don't they just make the same deal with stannis. Just let the people in the north call Rob the King in the North while still calling Stannis the King.

@flavius5722 14 күн бұрын

Because this was Renly 's proposal ,while Stannis didnt negociate at all ,he even threathen to kill Robb

@hiddendagger7291 11 ай бұрын

Stannis said rob has no right to be king ... If ned was at Rob's place he would've choose stannis as king instead of becoming king himself.... It was bad decision from rob to become king

@yigiterdal2302 4 ай бұрын

how can i buy the comics ?

@daniearagornsoofarat 11 ай бұрын

Where can I find these HQ books?

@lunafencoven Ай бұрын

Stannis is the legitimate ruler of 7 Kingdoms. He's a man of principle, which is why he does not give in and accept Robb as an ally. This is also why he's not liked by many lords.

@kidgforce1 11 ай бұрын

Melisandre drinking the poison and surviving is another proof tht the Lord of Light is the only true god, Or does anyone think that Bran (representing the weirwood old gods) or the High Sparrow (representing the 7) would survive this?

@kidgforce1 11 ай бұрын

Okay, Melisandre suspected something and took an anti-poison antidote before and this is not about magic or gods at all

@shaikhshaikh487 7 ай бұрын

Are these images of game.of thrones comics?

@abdullahikimam1915 7 ай бұрын

It was stupid of Ned not send a raven to ask Stannis why he left King's Landing in the 1st place. That would have saved him the time of the windy investigations. Then he wouldn't need to depend on Littlefinger and get betryaed. So many what ifs!!!

@cl5470 11 ай бұрын

He could have married his daughter to Robb, since she was his heir and then both men could have been king since she was Stannis' heir.

@othmanechakir5691 10 ай бұрын

Whos is cressen ??

@maelguiraud3568 10 ай бұрын

the old maester who died trying to poison the red woman.

@ameliaflynnhayes 4 ай бұрын

So Stannis and Jon Arryn knew about the parentage

@bsn1-1antoniokarlabrahamxe30 11 күн бұрын

Where can i read this

@DigiTism Жыл бұрын

Dragon Rulers have been power crept. I can see them coming back to two or unlimited and being relevant, but not over powered. The issue is all the dragon, light and dark, and dragon light and dark support. You just can’t have unlimited Dragon Rulers with modern dragon support. I don’t think it would be tier zero, but definitely overwhelming a bit. TL;DR: Dragon Rulers in a vacuum by themselves vs. everything else is okay, but Dragon Rulers with dragon support might be pushing the line a bit.

@FrithonaHrududu02127 5 ай бұрын

Stannis' strengths are also his weaknesses. A lesser man would have accepted Robb as King in the North for the virtual guarantee that he'd have gained kingship of the rest of WESTEROS. But you might as well ask a LIZARD LION to be a ZORSE.

@Dragon.um5tz 11 ай бұрын

That’s because stannis does not have what I call Tegridy, tegridy farms

@cruzloera4931 11 ай бұрын

A good twist would have been Joffrey being true born and stannis forging the genealogy

@fazediamond5671 11 ай бұрын

That would’ve been nice

@The_Custos 10 ай бұрын

Love it man. Great idea.

@historyking9984 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if Ned’s letter had gotten to Stannis if anything would’ve changed.

@loooongneck Жыл бұрын

Wait is there a drawn comic like version of asoiaf? Where are these images from?

@abhiprakash74999 Жыл бұрын

Yep there is . U can find them by googling them 😊

@Ķii567huh Жыл бұрын

I want to read the books but they are so long😢

@Mino123r Жыл бұрын

They are definitely worth it. You just have to start and you'll be hooked.

@realstrixy1229 Жыл бұрын

It took me years to read them. Take your time. What matters is that you read, not how much you do.

@ciandryl Жыл бұрын

yeah, i struggled as well when i started. but now i keep picking up the books even thou i read it already. it gets better and better everytime

@santiagoqueijeiro389 Жыл бұрын

trust me, when you like a book and you get hooked you feel they're too short

@marielalara1202 Жыл бұрын

Just listen to the audio book

@beastyness1206 10 ай бұрын

Ik this is silly, whats the name of the song behind the videos??

@pvtj0cker Жыл бұрын

That would shorten the story by a lot. Seems like the most valid reason to me.

@ansh47 11 ай бұрын

Book 2 --> Clash of the Kings [Prologue]

@MrReded69 8 ай бұрын

Despite all his noble claims to His Duty being his sole motivation, Stannis comes off as Entitled, Privileged, Petty and Bratty as Joffrey! He's a prime example of what Behaviorlists call a Debt Collector. Everybody knew he never forgot or forgave any slight, real or perceived. Thus between him and his brother for a king, it was an obvious choice for the Reach lords who knew of his hatred for them.

@TV-ge3uj 7 ай бұрын

And Stannis is married to a Florent! That's the house with the stronger claim to Highgarden than the Tyrells have, and the Tyrells are only Lords of the Reach because of Aegon the Conqueror. A Stannis victory could very well have been followed by attainting the Tyrells.

@MrReded69 7 ай бұрын

@@TV-ge3uj His Florent marriage/alliance was basically a failure. He and his wife had only one living child, a girl scarred and tainted by Stoneskin and thus not even viable as part of a marriage pact. Renly taunted him with the fact that a portion of the Florents went over to his side as soon as he staked his claim to the Iron Throne.

@TV-ge3uj 7 ай бұрын

@@MrReded69 Stannis was still married to Selyse, and (at least in theory) they could still have had children. At least for the Tyrells the situation with Stannis was still bad.

@MrReded69 7 ай бұрын

@@TV-ge3uj The only kids Stannis was having were Mellisandre's Shadow Demon Babies. As Renly also taunted, HE was more likely to have kids with Margaery DESPITE his personal tastes. Also Selyse's obnoxious to crazy personality coupled with their mutual embrace of a foreign god that demanded the destruction of all other religions drove even the most loyal(to House Baratheon)Stormlanders to Renly.

@TV-ge3uj 7 ай бұрын

@@MrReded69 All of that makes it *unlikely* for Stannis to have more children with Selyse, but not in a way that would be reliable for the Tyrells. There is still a risk.

@user-pq6hy4hx8n Жыл бұрын

What? The books were clear that Melissandre was cruel to Cressen.

@overlordtype25 Жыл бұрын

Where can i find these game of thrones comics?

@gregoriomonteleone5660 14 минут бұрын

Stannis is the most stubborn mf in the series, even more than ned and john. His stubbornness brought him to defeat in kings landing and to death in great winter, if he only listened to davos…

@zaki2309 Жыл бұрын

Where can i find these Comic books of game of thrones please someone tell 😢😢😢

@ingainloggningsnamn Жыл бұрын

Was Tomard actually killed though? I don't remember that.

@ThatGuyYouMightKnow1 Жыл бұрын

Song?

@paulvmarks Жыл бұрын

Mr Martin never finished his story - either because he does not care about it, or because he can not think of a good ending. The television "solution" was useless.

@souhaibboukadjar3884 Жыл бұрын

Where can i find these comics ???

@fazediamond5671 Жыл бұрын

Amazon

@teamblack204 Жыл бұрын

I like Stannis but the fact that he considers Robb as a traitor is really irritating, not even mentioning his absurd bitterness towards Eddard. Because Ned had nothing to do with Robert's mistreatment towards Stannis. In fact, Ned was the only one who defended and supported Stannis when no one else did. Stannis doesn't know this of course, but still. As readers, we know it and it makes Stannis unlikable as a character.

@nicholasoneal1521 Жыл бұрын

Stannis might not like Ned, but he does acknowledge he was a good and honorable man and swears to avenge him. I think some of his nastier comments early on are in part due to the fact he's in grief for his brother's death (even if he won't admit it) and frustration that Ned's son turned against him. Also, how is Robb not a traitor? I sympathize with him, but it's undeniable he's committing high treason

@teamblack204 Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasoneal1521 But Stannis' anger is misplaced. It's not really Ned whom he's angry with, but it's Robert. Ned had nothing to do with Robert's mistreatment towards Stannis after all, but Stannis is still angry with him even after his death anyway. Also, Robb's "treason" case is quite arguable. But I wouldn't consider him a traitor. Because after everything that's happened to North, there was no way to keep it dependent. Not only the things that happened during Aerys' reign or Robert's Rebellion, but also the things that happened during/after Robert's reign were enough reason for North to declare its independence.

@nicholasoneal1521 Жыл бұрын

@@teamblack204 Of course the anger is misplaced, I'm not arguing Stannis is perfect. What happened during Robert's reign that would justify secession?

@teamblack204 Жыл бұрын

@@nicholasoneal1521 Brandon and Rickard got killed by Aerys brutally, and Lyanna got "kidnapped" by Rhaegar

@nicholasoneal1521 Жыл бұрын

@@teamblack204 under Robert though, the man who defeated Aerys

@thelostshadow5164 Жыл бұрын

I wonder why he doesnt ask Nex. Like surlry jon arryan was like definitely someone we can trust my guy so amything happens to me hes the runner up.

@scottfitzpatrick1939 11 ай бұрын

Stanis and Renly were such a disappointment. They should have allied. Their inavilitu to unite cost everyone the rule of the Lanisters and each of them their own lives.

@warriorkala3960 Жыл бұрын

This is sad for the Starks

@happybee7725 7 ай бұрын

Comic Melisandre is much hotter than show Melisandre😂

@prashidrai6417 Жыл бұрын

Why didnt Stannis tell Ned about the Joffrey.?? Ned would have come to the truth faster...as soon as Stannis landed on Dragonstone he should have told Ned about Joffrey's birth

@m.williams4971 Жыл бұрын

How would Stannis do that? By raven, (intercepted and now he’s up for treason), personal currier? Maybe Davos? Not to mention, would that be a priority when Ribert’s relatively healthy? Or alive and well. Above all, these things happen a certain way because that’s the direction of the author’s plot.

@prashidrai6417 Жыл бұрын

@@m.williams4971 yes by raven...at this point I think Robert's party wouldn't have reached winterfell...Stannis could send a raven or even Ser Davos via sea to White Harbour...Even when Ned was at Kingslanding Stannis could have sent a raven or an envoy...Stannis sent letters only after Robert and Ned were both dead which is stupid because if he would have done it earlier he could have atleast got a chance to prove his point unlike at the present situation

@prashidrai6417 Жыл бұрын

@@dangeth6817 yo genius I was speaking about when Stannis landed on Dragonstone he could have sent a raven or an envoy via sea to White Harbour...he did too late (after the death of Robert and Ned)

@atlash6387 Жыл бұрын

@@prashidrai6417 There was no Robert's party, he was completely alone. Robert could never figure out through the web of intrigue and control he was surrouded, he was not a man to do the ultimate decision. He would have closed his eyes most likely and Stannis left him alone as he was doomed. Only Ned could break that wall and pull Robert out of this control. That what Robert was actually waiting from him - to set things right, because Robert barely understood what was happening, yet he felt things went completely wrong. Thats why he chose Ned as his hand - not Tywin and not of Tyrels. Its like a cry for help. Ned failed (despite almost succeded though), when he revealed his assumptions to Cercei.

@chrisrubin6445 Жыл бұрын

@@m.williams4971 How about in person. Stannis is Master of Ships!!!!

@animejerk05 Жыл бұрын

Stannis cannot give up the north/riverlands if Stannis isnt claiming to be the king of 7 kingdoms while sitting on the iron throne he be seen as a pretender.