That's 100% correct

C4 too

@@tobilenzen3565 better use two.

Perfectly said!

Yea, it always feels weird to me watching the first few seasons without the p90.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the idea of 'baggage.' The show would have looked odd with M4s or M16s, for example.

​@@postjm9 Yep. They are cool guns, but especially considering how prominent the weapons tend up being, MP5's, M16's, M4's fit better in Predator than on the main cast of Stargate. Though many episodes with replicators do well in utilizing the full complement for maximum firepower, with SPAS-12's, M249's, etc. Smartly the unique German G36K also took the role of the long gun in Atlantis, though of course there the idea of the team being international was already the norm.

Same reason Battlestar Galactica chose the Beretta Storm with its look

@@madmax404 I always liked how they mixed it up from time to time; the P90 very much had the look of a weapon you could take anywhere as a small squad and be able to hold your own, but of course they'd be trained to handle a variety of weapons for when they need something more specialised, or when working with bigger teams, so it was always good to see the differences.

It's funny you mention trigger discipline, because in your favorite scene Richard Dean Anderson did not respect the muzzle discipline and Amanda Tapping got scared lmao

I think I first saw stargate sg-1 in season 4, I would've been about 11 (whatever the airing episode was) and stargate =p-90 to me. Forward a few years there was a P90 in Cod4MW multiplayer and I immediately picked it. And it ruled in the the urban warfare maps.

You are a more observant person than me. I remember them having the mp5 in the movie, but I never really noticed when they switched over to the P90. All I remember was that their bullets weren't bouncing off the Jaffa anymore.

Teal'c could tell you. He is definitely counting.

Indeed.

FN definitely would have made their money back on how cool that show was with the P90

"THIS IS A WEAPPON OF WAR! ITS MEANT TO KILL THE ENEMY!"

depending on the definitionof "used for good" when talking about firearms, made to kill humans, but yeah...

Good point, would definitely be appreciated in a confined set.

Another selling point was that the round it was built for can penetrate body armor from up till 200 meters away, and it has 50 of them, that's another reason it made sense to me as it had the highest amount of stopping power at mid-range when it was made, which is not a bad thing to have when you are walking into god knows what.

​@@Battusai1984 To be fair, that's a myth. Technically 9mm P++ loads with AP round would penetrate armor better than the 5.7 x 28 mm. Bigger cartridge has more energy so there is no surprise. Russians adopted something similar. Of course this myth been floating around and especially during SG1 the rumors of body armor piercing SMG were fresh. A good comparison is to say 5.7mm to 9mm is the same as 5.56mm to 7.62mm (.223 to .308, if you may).The five-seven is more compact than 9mm, it shoots flatter, and is still effective. Although true or not, this would not be relevant for sci-fi. Firearms do odd things in the world of films. Just telling you the above to straighten out some facts.BTW, the misconception comes from the NATO criteria to penetrate CRISAT armor plates. This was actually an effort to eliminate the 9mm (which didn't have the improvements and gargantuan ammo range back then) without explicitly stating so.

@@willyvereb In that case i thank you for fact checking me. I picked up that tidbit when the P90 first entered production, it hit the news-cycle for a day or two here in Belgium and being quite young at the time it stuck without the scrutiny i typically apply to claims these days.

​@@Battusai1984 No problem. They made the white lie that CRISAT plates were a stand-in for body armor paratroopers invading Europe may wear. So that's where everyone is getting this misconception from. It was also good press so nobody really cared to correct it. More recently gun youtubers put this to the test and also looked up sources. For example Garand Thumb tested those claims on the actual Soviet armors in issue around that time and of course neither FN's 5.7mm or H&K's 4.6mm penetrate those. Also, I should add that P+ and P++ rounds aren't the norm for 9mm. They can get really unwieldy and unless the pistol is rated for it you shouldn't fire them. If you compare it to normal loads of 9mm FMJ then the 5.7mm counterparts beat them in penetrating soft body armor. Plate carriers usually beat both or even 9mm P++.

"Weapon of intimidation vs weapon of war" love it.

@@obliviouz - "Hey! You! In the dress. Get that target swinging." "Major, demonstrate the weapon in single fire mode." "Those of you who went up against us and lived... and you know who you are...."

One caveat: Watch the demo scene carefully again. When the kernel is talking at the end, he holds up his P 90 and almost covers Carter. She actually catches it and jerks her head back a bit. Richard dean Anderson is definitely not a fellow gun nut.

And an addendum to my previous reply: During that scene, there were personnel down range during live fire. Oops.

​@@TommygunNGI just went back and watched that to see, I had never noticed that before. There was a definite twitch from her when she saw it

Futuristic wouldn't make much sense anyway, given that Stargate is set in present day.

​@@davepuseyWell, the weapon pre-dates the show and even the movie, lol, hence the 90 designation. It still looks "futuristic" with the lack of sharp corners and all. 🤷‍♂️ Like Star Trek if they were still using ballistic weapons.

@@davepusey Before the P90 became well-known in pop culture (and I believe Stargate had a big hand in that happening), it was a pretty exotic-looking device. On a technical level, it's the perfect fit for a team like SG1, being compact and ergonomic for the actors, and having high range and armor piercing capabilities for the class of weapon that it is for the fictional characters. But on an aesthetic level, it looked really futuristic at the time Stargate introduced it.

But isn't the P90 a submachine gun with a limited range as well? I can't quite follow that argument.

@@maxmuster2898 Yes and no. The P90's cartridge was specifically designed to be an upgrade to the 9mm ammunition fired by the MP5 - it's actually smaller and lighter, but in contrast, has higher muzzle velocity, better armor penetration characteristics, and longer maximum (but arguably the same effective) range, because while it's more accurate at range (faster), it also loses more energy at range (smaller).

Bad loading on set.

That's what I was thinking too, along with him ensuring the gun was completely safe before showing producers & I was expecting he was going to pull it out & shock them with it in that meeting story, but nope, highly professional & safety conscious & respectful of weapons, he shows what armours SHOULD be!

Just don't allow any live ammo on set duh.

@@jason200912 yes that's a rather good idea too isn't it! In reality though, I think it's obvious that if somehow live ammo did make it onto the SG set, no-one was going to get hurt, cause he would have realised it was there immediately & even if he didn't, he had such strict safety protocols in place & had fostered a culture of such strong respect for guns with everyone on set that there was never going to be a gun pointed at a person to shoot them by mistake. Also, I might be mistaken, since I don't have much gun knowledge, but I got the impression from the video that they were using live ammo in the gate room when teaching the cast how to use the weapon. I interpreted it as him feeling they needed to fire the real thing to really understand the weapon, so that they could act accordingly later when pretending it was shooting live ammo, but that they fired live stuff in training, hence why the room had to be locked. Not sure why it needed locking if there was no live ammo, but maybe he felt there was a need for the ultimate safety? Live ammo in use seems like a more logical reason to lock the room to me though

@@lilaclizard4504 no they use blanks only. If they want to do live firing that badly then they're supposed to go to a local dedicated range outside of site to use a full auto p90. But usually the best they'll do is pretend there's recoil on the gun based on what the director expects or they can look up videos to see how much fake recoil to deliberately move the gun when it shoots blanks

I'm still working on my friends. I can't get them to sit down and commit, but it's coming!! :)

The show is definitely one of the greatest sci-fi cult classics. It’s amazing this video has almost a quarter million views in just 4 days.

The hero in SG we didn't know we needed

I wonder how many PS90s were sold due to SG-1. FN likely made some hefty profits from the US market.

Yes, we've all seen the forgotten episode video.

Ah the good old M1

Same, I also kinda want an Airsoft P90, even tho I'm not that much into Airsoft or guns

So you know, there is a civilian version available in the United States. It is semi-automatic only, and has a longer 16-inch barrel, but it takes the same round.

Yeah anyone interested the civilian version of the P90 is a PS90 it's semi-auto and has a longer barrel.

@@shanoukgaming6763 You can get a PS90 with the short barrel but you need to register it as an SBR and get a tax stamp.

@@luketurner314 I have one, doesn't look 100% like in the show.

The "B5 for the first time" reactors are just starting an SG1 watch, if you can handle waiting for 1 episode a week.

I've just finished the whole franchise today... started in November 23...

p90 is a pdw.. for defence.. they should of had assault weapons.. p90s were for close combat too

I was just thinking about that scene and how that may have been the first time I realized how weird they were to put new mags in.

For me, a good replica would be completely fine, so it would be cheaper. Would be also very difficult to get the permissions for one where I live :D

Yeah the ps90 is about $1500+ $200 more if you want the NFA short barrel PS90

The Shuttlepod Show is starting to become like this show. Connor Trineer, Dominic Keating and Mark Cartier host it. It’s a lot of fun to watch. Check them out! There’s also The 7th Rule with Cirroc Lofton that you might enjoy too.

I mean, Star Trek has several series in ongoing production, so it arguably doesn't need this sort of a look-back channel, but fair point all the same.

@@BioniclesaurKing4t2 that is true but I like all the insights that we get

@@BioniclesaurKing4t2 ongoing productions are hardly worth the name StarTrek

Trekculture is THE Star Trek channel for me though. They also do interviews, episode reviews etc. If you don't know it, just take a look.

That is somewhat standard practice, you should see how Keanu got ready for John Wick ;)

There's only 3 things to teach. Where is magazine release. Where is charging handle. Where is safety selector

Wait till you learn about the steyr Aug which looks like an ugly toy

@@jason200912 Oh I know about the Aug. I first saw Stargate SG-1 when the Scifi channel first started airing it. I'm more familiar with many firearms now

​@@jason200912 If you were a PC gamer in the late '90s/early '00s, you played the Counter-Strike mod for Half-Life, so you were well aware of the P90 and AUG by the time SG-1 got around to using the P90. The AUG was also heavily used in mainstream movies since the early '80s, first seen in Octopussy (James Bond #13) and in other big movies of the era, e.g. Commando, RoboCop, The Running Man, Die Hard, Predator 2, Point Break, Under Siege etc., so most people should have already seen it.

@@paladestar9758 I had a busted ass pc so I could only play some flash games, and a mech fighter one

You were spoon fed all of those explanation and engaged in reddit arguments and this is what you have to show for it... Its definitely not better than 556 carbine in any category whatsoever. M4 is very light as is its ammo, it has superior range, definitely better optics if required and bullet that doesn't require 20 round burst to reliably take someone down. P90 doesn't actually pierce armor except for kevlar vests or flak jackets and jaffa dont wear armor but more like equivalent of chainmail. You say that they are not supposed to fight but thats mostly their bread and butter and p90 isnt the best pick anyway. There would be argument for something like AS val, its light and silent but p90 uses supersonic projectile, it has to. They could use tankettes or armored cars if they wanted to but thats problem more with reality of show production, awesome german Wiesel tankette or maybe even bmd2 for soviet paratroopers if they rearrange the furniture a bit come to mind. Staff weapons never shoved some unique ability to pierce armor, they cant go through people. If its just superheated bolt of plasma or whatever that starts melting whatever it hits then even ceramic tile can stop it. Look up how ablative shields for reentry of space craft are made if u dont believe. P90 has cool factor, thats it, everything else are just ignorant excuses. Remember that in this show, if iris doesn't work, all they do is have two 50 cals and bunch of grunts standing in line trying to defend earth. And i bet someone somewhere made up explanation about how that makes complete sense. Ye they drop some metal doors but there are usually advanced aliens on the other side, again, i am going to assume that building a set like bunkers in normandy would be too expensive.

@@robertkalinic335 actualy, the only thing there I hadn't developed as an argument myself was the firing footprint. I live in Australia so getting and firing a P90 is kind of hard here. That was news to me, but makes a lot of sense. All the rest is just common sense when you stop looking at it from a gun nut perspective and look from a story based use perspective. If guns are drawn and a fight ensues with Jaffa, a mission has probably gone wrong. The weapons they use aren't the most effective, but they are effective enough without being too bulky, threatening to the people they're actually there to meet and being compact enough to use in any environment they find themselves in. If they're down to fight Jaffa as the mission they generally (not always coz TV budget) bring 'proper' guns to that fight. See Orpheus and Evolution. The SGC do use heavier weaponry when it is prudent to do so. But for basic exploration where combat is not to be expected, the P90 works extremely well. You can argue back and forth about bullet power and the like until we're blue in the face if that's what makes you happy. But fact is the P90 takes down Jaffa just fine. We see it do so on many occasions. So even if it's not the perfect gun by real world stats, it sure is in the show. This interview just explains some of the reasons that the armourer considered for making that change. And most of the fandom love it. The cast sure did. As for the tankettes, you ignored that I said from space. Good luck finding armour plating thick enough to withstand a shot from a Hatak main gun. Tanks were never used because they were already worthless by the time we stepped through the gate. The Goa'uld vehicles were so insanely superior to any modern military vehicle it would just be pissing money down the wormhole. The Goa'uld ships would slag anything we rolled through before we had a chance to start aiming the main gun in their direction. Just look at what the gun off a glider did to a Tanith's Alkesh. And that was designed to take that kind of weapons fire. And all of that is before you even consider how the heck you're meant to get a tank into the embarkation room when the corridors can barely fit the MALP and FREDs as it is. Cheyenne Mountain was never designed for vehicle access to the lower levels.

@@tyrannicpuppy I didn't take orbital bombardment into account cause they never actually hit anything that small... besides in the show it looks extremely disappointing but even if i give you that they can delete whatever they wish from orbit, you are underestimating how hard are they to spot. The Wiesel i mentioned can be confused with some AliExpress garden tractor if it wasnt green and didn't carry autocannon or missiles. Its kind of ridiculous that every planet has only one gate and yet goaulds dont give a shit enough to atleast have some guards who are able to stop small exploration team. They have to get spotted first and even our satellites and drone tech is being bottlenecked by how much can their observe, not by how much they can find if they want. If you were thinking that tankettes or any other light armored vehicle is supposed to have armor able to stop something bigger than bullet or shrapnel, thats just completely irrelevant by definition. I mean they would be modified to resist jaffa guns but thats no big deal. By foot they can only explore the vicinity of the gate and can carry stuff on their backs. The utility of small transport vehicle or tankette is in extra supplies, mobility and optics. Vehicle mounted thermal sights and magnification are huge benefit, the autocannon or even anti air missile can cut on those constant last moment escapes from light infantry or planes. They already used stinger in the show against those gliders so... They built big tunnel for gate to be lowered in, i am sure they will manage to find a way how to get something small as dwarf car in also. As far as p90 its just bad except for its looks being all perfect for the show.

@@tyrannicpuppy They play it as if by building facility so cramped and accessible only by human size corridors that this somehow works against goaulds when they never even concieved of trying to invade through gate. They just want to blow that place up all the time so not having any way to transport heavy cargo through gate only hurts them.

@@robertkalinic335 you act like Cheyenne Mountain is the place they specifically built to house the Stargate. It's a Cold War bunker that they simply figured made a good place to hide what they knew as a doorway to dangerous aliens. They didn't expect anymore to come through or they'd have kept a better security detail on it. There is a really good video here on KZfaq that details the building of the facility. Quite fascinating imo. And I think the Mountain proved it's worth as a base many times over through the show. Yes, all of that is because the writers wanted the good guys to win, but that's the reality of the show. We do see other realities where the Goa'uld most definitely do invade and take over the base. There But For The Grace of God and Point Of View for example. The SGC can definitely transport heavy cargo. They've sent both a whole rocket off-world and an F-302 both ways through the gate in pieces before. They built entire concrete bunker bases on other worlds. They can send materials through fine. It's just there is no reasonable way to get things like tanks or humvees into the gateroom to ship them off world. Nor is there any real need for vehicles off world either. The gate was placed at the point of interest on each planet by either the Ancients or the Goa'uld. Driving 50kms down the road does nothing but put you 50kms further away from your escape route if an enemy does attack. By the time the SGC has the need to put wheels off world, they can do so via Prometheus or the 304s. A far superior method to rolling through a single choke point very easily guarded with weapons powerful enough to destroy our vehicles if we gave the Goa'uld reason to know we have and deploy such things. We weren't worth the effort when it's just a few people on foot with tiny guns. Playing it as the war so many folks seem to have wanted us to would have made us a genuine threat in need of attention. We were a minor nuisance for most of the series. And that is what saved us. Tanks and heavy weapons would have guaranteed a united System Lord fleet came to deal with their problem a lot sooner.

I actually forgot they had the MP5. All I remembered was the P90

Same. While watching the video I was really surprised when he said how long they had the MP5. SG1 = P90.

Maybe there’d have fewer episodes regarding the SGC’s budget if the ammo wasn’t so expensive.

Well actually P90 spare magazines are quite tricky to carry, because they are really long, compared to MP5 or M4 magazine.

@@TheRelativy I can definitely see that, especially if you have never handled something like it before. I've played enough paintball, which were same length but MUCH thicker. So that maybe coloring my perceptions

It’s easier to carry but that’s about it, handling is arguable and down to preference but for loading p90 is much slower the mags are long and unwieldy and hard to store hence them shoving them between their vest and jacket not inside a pouch.

@@Utubesuperstar If you are used to a traditional mag set.up, definitely can see that.

50 round magazine.

I disagree, I love my MP5.

Not just truckers but tank crews, self propelled artillery crews etc...specifically the NCO's and drivers. In short anyone that in general was in close spaces and didn't have the need nor room for a rifle. In the Belgian army the P90's replaced those that previously had Vigneron submachine guns just like FNC replaced the FAL's. Point of interest, P90's have also been used by the US Secret Service because of there easy to conceal and fire power. Side note : The Belgians weapon factory has provided lots of weapons that got adopted by the USA such as the SCAR and the SAW

It's a funny little "Dammit, Jack, you should know better" moment!

Plus it was the only weapon that could take down a brainwashed Teal’c when he was wearing his upgraded Jaffa armour WITHOUT killing him.

@JinKee don't remember that episode. We own them all though.

@@robopam episode 5.02 “Threshold”

It is also a bullpup design so it is short overall for close quarters yet has a longer barrel for reaching out a little more for longer distances plus you get a rifle barrel feet per second instead of pistol feet per sec. Plus it holds 50 rounds of small caliber high velocity ventilation ouchy things.

@@heathb4319 a 90rd magazine of 5.7mm would be about two feet long

For example, that Chris Pratt movie about the alien invasion. The aliens are big, tough, with thick scaly hides. You basically need a bear rifle. What did they use? Short-barrel M4.

For Universe, I just tell myself Eli took too long to fix the pod so now Destiny is drifting between galaxies with everyone in stasis. Since they're in stasis, there's no communication between SGC and Destiny so therefore there's no show. It's not the most satisfying ending but it's the one I've convinced myself of so I can have some closure at least.

​@@kennyjohnson63can't always have a happy ending.

universe was terrible though. looking back, it was a franchise destroying reboot/remake before it was cool, stargate got the treatment a decade before the rest started to lol

Did she ignore you and call you a nerd

"Sometimes on the last one I like to say 'locked' instead of 'encoded' just to mix it up." I love when Walter was getting interviewed in-show. He was so excited haha.

Yeah for sure, if an AP 9mm from a P90 can do that to Jaffa armor, imagine what the Russian 7.62 did! I liked Stargate because they made humans at a disadvantage for sure, but not helpless. Humans are good at fighting, we proved that over 10k years. It's good when cinema reflects that basic truth.

​@@sid2112 "Russian 7.62" Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down? :P (I'm guessing you mean 7.62x39)

⁠​⁠@@sid2112The P90 fires the 5.7x28mm round. It’s a much faster, about 700m/s compared to about 400m/s for 9mm. This gives it more penetration, a flatter trajectory and a longer effective range.

P90 is medium range with excellent armor penetration.

@@Del_S I'm trying to save keystrokes, but yeah the .308 style Russian rifle round.