RIKUSAKI Region: PH main:support 2ndary main:jg but I can fill I want a clip of my game using support on wheather or not getting double the amount if vision as a support should be the standard if you are playing right

@@Ternisien.Hellian t'es quel rank ?

From playing support a lot I've also found out about this line, and usually go beyond it when we have some type of advantage and an escape plan.

Considering we’re the only role that begins to master vision at the lowest elo and have to learn this like the back of our hand to even mildly pretend to begin climbing, it’s actually really shitty to have to always hear support guides and advice from non-support mains on this channel. I think a lot of us came from pro guides because they suck. Well here we are! Back in the bullshit. Explain to me a world in which as a jungler main you would listen to a support main at your elo attempt to guide you on how to play jungle. Even the smallest idea that a jungler at high elo would listen to a high elo support for advice is laughable. Yet supports of all ranks are expected to take this advice as canon, when instead we could’ve had, oh I dont know, an actual support main present us with a guide??? There’s already a dearth of support content on the two main league advice channels (SkillCapped and ProGuides), so seeing something like this in the title, and then having to sit through the first 20 seconds is nothing less than disgusting. And from then on, we get baseline, simpleton advice for supports. These are things you can even learn at low elo, easily, through experience. I just can’t understand why this is even a possibility. No other lane has to see stupid ass shit like this.

Skill capped can you also make wildrift guides

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against junglers that don't respect normal vision lines, I think it's more important to ward points of interest that indicate which side of the map the jungler is on. usually camps that are taken before ganks such as raptors/krugs. this includes junglers like nunu/nocturne/eve/kayn.

@@DarkMetalThrust yeah against ev and shaco just place ward in their jg and when you know theyre are in your side of the map just play really really safe until you se theyre are not close because they use to wait a lot just to kill

@@DarkMetalThrust that was suppose to be a joke and i play jungle role, but thx for the tips, now i can know what to do to counter enemy support otp

@@DarkMetalThrust actually a good tip

Control wards exist you know

Same its the best combo for climb

and no csing skills needed

@@niksy80 ACKTCHUALLY there are situations where both the support and the jungler need to know at least the basics of wave management and while you're doing that you might as well cs... (Like if you ganked a lane, killed the enemy laner but your laner died also, in that case you should push out and crash the wave to deny the enemy farm and exp and grab the farm as you do so, to make sure SOMEONE on your team has it. (Look 300 gold on the support is still better than 300 gold going to waste)

@@lucykitsune4619 shoving is not always the correct play here as if the enemies wave has more minions than your own then you should leave it to slow push towards your tower to prevent your laner from losing gold or exp

@@lucykitsune4619 yes but wave management is different from csing

More people should consider this before blaming others

I feel ya

Truth. I'm learning Kai'sa. Literally yesterday I had a Lux who stayed under turret, didn't ward and flamed me for warding drake pit. When she would go into lane it was right on me, no formation or lane control. We lost and she reported me for "going in willy nilly" smh. Next game was a Blitz who knew his champ and gave me the kills. I carried the game and was finally able to put her kit to use without inting. A good sup makes all the difference.

As a newbie support the best comment,hands down!

Idk man, there are a lot to do shitty supports out there. Lulu's and sona's front line. Luxes and brand's who misses everything and just die. Engage supports who engage when there's no one around then and then say: where's my team? For me it's so rare for good supports to be on my team, but I'm low elo though

Oh 100%. Made by a jungler, exactly what we all were dreaming of, right?

Hi, I'm a Gold support main, and I mostly play enggage supports like thresh, leona, nautilus, rakan and rell. I hardly see some of my deaths are due to being "not tanky enough" because I always analyze who I am up against and think of the ways to counter them, specifically through items. For your question regarding avoiding deaths during midgame, I just realized that I often force my way to escape the fight AS SOON AS I REALIZE THAT I HAVE SOAKED MOST OF THEIR DAMAGE OR IF I HAVE LANDED ALL MY ABILITIES THAT WILL CC THEM AND MAKE MY TEAMATES DO THEIR THING. After that, I wait for my cds or stay in range with my team to activate my Locket or Heal while still out of the fight. I know that I'm just a Gold player and my opinion may not be considered, but I hope this helps 💗

I main Leona (A very balanced champion, I know) and the answe to why engage supports seem so tanky is aftershock. Leona W plus Aftershock lets me 1v1 the enemy Nasus who is 3 levels ahead of me, under enemy tower, while the enemy jungler tries to make a difference, realizes they're almost dead literally just by standing there and backs off and runs away and while I lost, that fight was closer than it had any right to be

@@murphyevans6154 this was honestly really helpful, thank you!

@@lucykitsune4619 yeah aftershock makes you so tanky that baits your own team mates into believing that the enemy will also not do anything to them hahaha. To be fair leona is probably the one I die the least with as well, just for the reason you mentioned but also because her q CD is so short it makes melee folks just damage you less time over all.

You can ward the river bush from over the wall from lane. It doesn't end up very deep, but if you are worried about someone being there it's a good choice. You need to stand in a cleft near the wall and click just past a rock in the waterfall feature. Give it a try in practice tool. There are a few warding tricks like that, but that one is great in my opinion

You probably afk in lane too

@@thequestion2056 Not necessarily. Most of the time, we enchanter supports have to carry our ADC's phat ass out of laning phase, and because we usually aren't flashy, they most of the time don't even realize that it happens. However, because we let them die if they are so smart and get caught by a simple nautilus or leona engage for the 3rd time in the row or the most obvious jungle bait ever, and we are tired of giving the enemy 2 instead of 1 kill, we get called afk. :) Playing enchanters in low Elo is the most thankless job you can chose :D And we do it anyway.

@@thequestion2056 found vrymillion’s inting adc

@@siph0r154 the amount of times ive died as an enchantress bc i wasted spells to save an overextending adc and they couldnt even bother to use their heal so we'd both get out alive is 1 too many to the point i dont bother doing it anymore lmao (esp adcs with an escape that wont use it until youre in too deep so theyre in range for your spells-- looking at YOU, ezreals.)

@@arakomi well. In the end we chose that live, so we shouldn't blatantly give up on our fledgelings xD But nowadays I can just say. "I am not Akshan, I can't heal death!" ;)

@HeartsForAmamiya ay yo the pizza here

I play Lulu, who is squishy, and slow. I learned the hard way to think before I walk anywhere, check the minimap, watch where my teammate (specially the jungler) are, and ward patiently. Since then, my kda has improved a lot and I usually dies 3-5 times per game. It is harder for me when playing engage like Nautilus because I am expected to get in the middle of fights. I still need to learn how to be more efficient with my cc, positioning and picking fights.

IFKR?

Same I always assumed most are targeted and I got lucky

I don't think any such guide is possible in low elo ;)

Vision score tends to be a poor statistic to look at as it is heavily dependent on the game state and what happens. Eg if a top laner faces a jng who camps bot all game then the top laners vision score will be lower

Bit before objective spawns is way better in my opinion. Otherwise you are playing reactively when trying to contest the objective

@@nic.h yea agree

no

Low avg death combined with either high kill participation/vision control.. u are good. Having low avg dead is easy, you just play the game super safe (but that is not how u play an engage support)

(Mainly when my lane is already pushed in)

Yep... and you may or may not get away with it. ;)

Most probably bad jungling, since you don't have a direct lane opponent that outplays you. Dying as a jungler in the first 15-20min (at least in low elo) is mostly due to poor decision making: you forced a bad gank, you tried to take an objective without vision and lane prio, the enemy jungler invaded you... Basically 90% of your deaths could be avoided by having map control and good decision making as a jungler. As a laner it's bit different, especially as a support since you're in a duo lane and if your adc has a potato brain you will be playing 1vs3

Having been on both sides of those plays, it is really difficult to tell what the other player wants at that moment without having voice chat. Sure 2v5 might be an obvious situation, but that is very rarely the case and deciding whether you can maybe win that 2v3 against their support, jungler and adc when you are reasonably ahead in the span of one leona e is actaully quite hard.

Agree.. or the ADC as they are very squishy and need to constantly kite to survive. As an enchanter main, I usually died the least while holding the most kill-assist participation.

Same. I know when it's bad to move forward so I tell my team to back a little to avoid dying. SUPPORT MAINS, UNITE!!!

@@murphyevans6154 I could probably cut my deaths in half if I stopped sacrificing myself for teammates who are seemingly too dumb to run away and just bail on them whenever the fight is unwinnable... Don't really die a lot when warding... I never really see people when warding, except for the enemy support in which case we'll either start emoting and dancing, or do this awkward more or less fight where neither party wants to fight and we both want to ward, but also want to stop the other person from warding so we just have this really awkward stare-down until backup arrives. Oh and that one time the enemy jungler thought they could kill me, by being a ranged champion and starting by walking within Leonas Melee-range. So a bunch of vision, 300 gold and a scuttle-crab richer, I returned to midlane.

@@lucykitsune4619 very true!!! HAHAHA you will often see in games that support players tend to tease each other when they see the other supports 😂 I really enjot that kind of interaction. In terms of bailing out from your adc, it's a good move. Remember that it is better to have one ally be killed than both of you getting killed. They should know proper positioning since they are the ADCs. Not gonna lie, sond ADCs are just dumb and blame us afterwards for their unreasonable actions.

Yes the bigger inters are ADCs.

Generally, any video made by skillcapped or pro guides that addresses support tips and tricks should be ignored because it’s always made by an adc mid or jungler main

Maybe Yasuo support is the answer??