"All of United's players and managers are just bad". What a phenomenal argument. This guy is intelligence incarnate.

I’m sure this will be a fair and balanced debate!

To say they are all his players now is ridiculous...Dalot,Bissaka,Maguire,Varane,Lindelof,Shaw,Mctominay,Bruno,Rashford,Martial,Sancho..all NOT bought by Ten Hag and that's not even nearly all of them..he has to have atleast this season and another summer (with hopefully new owners) before he is judged..I mean, it gets said alot..but look at Arteta at Arsenal..managers need time

The dumbest thing about this argument is that this was the exact same argument made against Arteta and Klopp everyone said their tactics were ineffective in their 1st 2 seasons and that they should be sacked 3 to 4 seasons later people are now slobbering over them

Mourinho and Moyes are bad managers? I don't support either west ham or Roma, but what the fuck have you been smoking?

From a united fan,sacking the manager with glazers still in charge won’t change anything,except new owners comes ,then sacking the manager can make sense

GORDIE IS SO DELUDED HAHAH EDDIE HOWE SPEND 400 MIO AND IS 3 POINTS AHEAD OF UNITED LOL

At 4:15, ya cant really say theyre all bad managers, Mourinho took spurs to a cup final (got sacked during the super league scandal), then roma to Conference league champions and Europa League finalists, and Moyes yes had several bad seasons at Sunderland, Real Sociedad, etc, but he's just won West Ham their first trophy in like 50 years or something. You can sneeze at the Europa and Conference leagues if tou want, but i betcha Man U fans wouldn't mind winning a couple of those

Lisandro broke his metatarsal towards the end of the season and had little to no football in preseason, came back and aggravated the same injury. To call him a bad signing is agenda filled like much united criticism.

There's a bit of an obsession from Geordie with the Ten Hag thing.

I don’t understand the notion of rashford being out of form, he’s a decent player but imo what we see from him normally is his actual form and he just sometimes shows signs of being a great player then sinks again

we were without olise, lerma and edouard. lerma and edouard were 2 of our best players this season and olise is one of our best players full stop. injuries are not an excuse for united

Look as a Die Hard Utd Fan, I accept the fact that Ten Haag has some Tactical and In game management mistakes (A few times) but I 100% back him, Nothing is Going to Change/Progress at Utd until The Glazer's Go, We Need A COMPLETE REVAMP from Top to bottom, (Squad, Facilities, Recruitment, Players, Attitude, Mentality......), There are probably only 6 player's who should be part of the Utd Future , Unfortunately we are going to be Transitional Until the Above Happens.... 😭🔴

Rich from a Spurs fan saying "They won a cup, all be it the league cup" when Spurs haven't won a trophy in years 😂😂 also would love to see how Newcastle would do if Guimares and Trippier was injured 😂

I can’t describe how sad it makes me to go off the kick off this hard. Watched it for years and the takes have just become unbearable.

Glazers are confused. They spend so much money on players and neglect the facilities. THE FACILITIES! How do they expect the players to perform under these conditions??

The problem is each manager dosent want the players that the previous managers bought

RR said u need open heart surgery but united fans think there problems will be solved in 1 or 2 seasons. They need atleast 5 transfers and new owners signing the right players

7:51 “The glazers told ten Hag have as much money as you want and get who you want” ?? You think he only wanted a kid striker, a midfielder and a keeper. We couldn’t score goals last year - he didn’t get a striker. Wanted Kim min jae - never got him Wanted Amrabat and go him on LOAN! Where’s this flowing money and decision making power. These guys don’t keep up to date with MU news like MU fans but they have the nerve to talk about us.

I just don't understand why everyone is jumping down this manager's throat. Did Arteta get it right off the bat? Did Pep? Did Klopp? Real United fans realize that behind the scenes, the infrastructure is atrocious. Is Ten Hag above criticism? No. But regardless of whichever manager we get, the results won't change. From Moyes to Ten Hag, each manager had different styles and yet still, nothing stuck.

Ten Hag is a good manager. There's numerous examples of him tactically bettering other top coaches in big games: Newcastle in the Carabao final, Barcelona in the Europa League, Brighton in the FA Cup semi-final. It makes sense to keep him there & see how he gets on under rhe new ownership.

Its not that utd fans arent willing to accept ten haag making mistakes. Its their refusal and the medias aswell to accept that althou they're atill a massive club, that in no way entitles them to being a top team. Theyre a top 8 squad. With mid table tactics. Its been almost a decade now. Its time to temper the expectations.

Neglecting the amount of injuries we have and how that affects the system we want to implement. Id love to see Brian's analysis if Newcastle didn't have Trippier and Bruno in their team.

arteta is in his 5th season and only looked good since last season, finished 8th BACK TO BACK seasons... but you're going on as if united should be protesting to get the manager out? The reason Arsenal are good now is because your owners booked their ideas up. arteta didn't make you great it was the board deciding to pull their fingers out their arse. ten haag is in his 2nd season at United and no United fan right now i've spoke to has not been critical on ten haag. were 10 years into this carousel of managers getting investment in their first season and looking good and then being let down the following year by the players constantly downing tools which leads to the inevitable sack.

Taxi for Ten Hag 🚕

Man City were missing key players like Rodri, lost to Wolves. United have almost a first teams worth of injuries, to the extent they have to play a midfielder as Left Back and use the back up Centre Backs who aren't very good

Lol that Chelsea fan trying to act like Chelsea isn’t as badly run as united….we see you mate

I back ten hag. He clearly wants to play front foot football. I think he’ll get it right eventually and he has a good football mind. You can see it in certain phases of games. Maybe not so much this season but we’ll see. Look, this club might be cursed or something but there is no ways we’re changing managers AGAIN and starting all over. Nah.

For me some players are far too inconsistent in that team and we lose games in 1/2 moments where players lack consistency and focus. And thats been the difference between us winning games and losing them. Ten Hag will get it right for sure but only after he recognizes that some of his players are letting us down

That new guy saying all the players are bad is a clown. A lot of those players would walk into a lot of teams. That guy needs to show his champions league medals if he’s calling Jose bad.

Arsenal fan sitting there criticising United for bringing back Antony because an allegations been made against him yet doesn’t mention the fact his own club played Partey all last season during a rape allegation? 🤔 Arteta and Klopp finished 8th in their first seasons and everyone criticising ETH because of a bad start this season and we’ve had 12 players injured 😂

Jurgen Klopp has called for Liverpool's match against Tottenham to be replayed after the VAR failed to award Luis Diaz's goal which was ruled out for offside

Oh look, another video from The Kick Off about Man United… imagine my shock!

This is it in its most basic form. United fans want to back a manager rather than just call for sackings as we usually do because they’ve been labelled a toxic fanbase. But at the same time, they also want someone to blame meaning the fingers are pointed at the glazers and players. If United fans called for the Ten Haag sacking fans including the Kick-Off would be saying “look at what he did last season” and “you need to back the manager”.

We played transition football last season, we are trying to dominate games more this season therefore the defense is more exposed and it shows. United fans have been patient with every manager, I do not remember any incident when the united crowd turned against any manager. We were not out played by palace, if this was the conversation after the wolves or brighton game I can understand. We know eth has made mistakes for but the palace game for example we kept the ball, broke down palace but were very poor in the final 3rd and that's completely on the player. If your argument is its eth's player fair enough but pellistri and rashford have been there before him. Casemiro mount varane onana hojlund dalot lindelof and Bruno none of them had a bad game against palace. . Watch reguilon now he's flying every new player comes with fire but there's just something not right players just fall off at united, maybe it's the pressure maybe it's the expectation weighing players down and when it's tough for a long duration confidence is shot and it just doesn't turn around.

The debutant quickly wanted to make a mark here with a bombastic statement.

Finally someone said it!!!! For all the praise ETH has gotten for last season it was all built on Rashford having the season of his life

It's disgraceful to bring in yes men into a podcast and pass on their opinions as neutral, Ten Hag should only be judged once he has a starting 11 of his choice, and not carry on playing with vestiges of previous managers and a crippling ownership, it is hypocritical to say United have spent a lot when we know the chaotic and incompetent nature of the management and recruitment has always led us to hire players late or at inflated prices, we know the problem, if this was Manchester City, Todibo, Min Jae and Pavard would be in our backline, instead we landed Amrabat all thanks to his effort not the clubs, a goalkeeper who will always take time to gel in, we did not play poorly against Palace the goal we conceded was because Lindelof was easily shrugged off the ball and Anderson got a free swipe at it, Rashford refused to cross atleast four times in the first 15 minutes, a manager cannot be blamed for a players poor attitude. Above all judging by how quickly Newcastle has improved under new ownership it just goes to show how psychological the game is, invested owners settle nerves all across the organisation, not ones who float news of a sale everytime we lose.

Rashford is one of the biggest one trick pony's in the pl era. Been at Man Utd for like what 8,9 seasons and still never had a back to back good seasons. Absolute shambolic.

That Tottenham guy talking bout decnt season bout man utd bruddaaa😂😂😂😂

I'm a Palace supporter. Man Utd having injuries is a poor excuse. As the fella said here, Palace have injuries! Lerma, who has been stonking for us is out, so is Olise. All I keep thinking is. Why don't the owners just fix that leaky roof!? Think of the games and trophies they could win if only they fixed that bloody roof.. ..and their leaky defence..

Not sure what's worse, the guy @ 7:53 saying Glazers give ten Hag "as much money as he wants", or Brian comparing the support Pep gets at City vs what ten Hag gets at United. City win the treble and sign Joško Gvardiol for £80M, United finish 3rd and sign Jonny Evans on a free. United finished the game at The Emirates with Maguire-Evans in defense, as if that is what ten Hag was envisioning during the summer. The net spend narrative is tired when he wanted players like Maguire McTominay Van de Beek etc sold, three players United received bids for and could have generated £80M+ for, the board couldn't get rid of any of them. Yes that United starting XI should beat Palace, but these are little things that should be taken into context in a discussion like this.

Put some respect on the Glazers name. They bring joy to millions in the premier league every week. Best owners in the league as far as im concerned.

UTD commentary is so basic… 4:42, guy touches on the actual route cause of the problems and then Geordie just washes over it with ‘but they spent money’ argument. We’re not saying ETH is beyond reproach… the point is, the team has been so badly run for years with a mixture of the last 3 and over ran with player power, you could get Pep in there and it would still unravel.

What’s funny about Utd is the manager the players the tactics have all been poor this season but they always find someway of blaming every loss on the officials.

I've clicked this video, not to watch it, but to comment on how it's probably Brian taking digs at ETH for 15 mins, maybe a bit of sense from the Chelsea fan and Craig making stupid points with no relevance. If I'm right like this, if I'm wrong tell me because there's no chance I'm watching this

Did the new guy seriously just call mourinho a bad manager??

Getting bored of Brian’s blatant agenda agains United

Hojlund’s application on the pitch proves TH ain’t the problem.

I stopped backing him from his transfer targets and now his favouritism off players where his 1st season if ur playing bad or things are going bad he'll change it from 1st half now he's turnt stubborn all of a sudden

Palace have the 2nd most injuries under Chelsea, 3/4 of our bench were youth players…

In ajax, you can get away with being just a coach, where he just has to focus on that and not manage recruutment or politics Or how he was good with youth at bayern At united, he started off recruiting players he worked with before (pre coached by him) When Klopp left dortmund, there was a clause that he wouldnt go fishing for talent from his former club.

The state of that Newcastle mess totally ignoring the ownership issue and now just judging Newcastle on managers not ownership. Total mess of a man

I think part of the problem is Ten hag Clearly wants to build a team around Rashford and I dont think Rashford is a consistent/good enough player to have a whole team built around him

They’re not all ten hag’s players 😂😂😂 less than half of the first eleven is, muppet educate yourself before making statements

This idiotic Ten Hag obsession needs to end

This channel really has gone off a cliff, I started watching the livestream for the spurs v Liverpool game and instead of talking about the current champions who just lost back to back games, the waffled on about United for 20 minutes…

The roof was leaking yesterday, the manger is least of our problems

Managers need time, from what I've seen 95% of supporters are with ETH. At the end of the day, the main fault for years lays on the Glazers. The way he speaks, he always talks about standards which has been sadly missing for years. ETH is not the problem.

Who's the clown in the grey sweater? All bad managers?? Moyes won conference league with West Ham, Mourinho won conference roma and then reached Europa league final following season with a transfer budget of 8mill and half his first teamers injured in that run to the final You probably better off bringing in KG for this panel instead Geordie

There is a discussion to be had here, there's an argument to everything that's been said om this panel, rightly or wrongly but there is an argument to be made

he didn't buy Rashford, or Fernandez or Lindelof or Pelistri, or McGuire or McTominay. He's missing a lot of players. Take remove 4 starters and several 2nd team players out of any lineup and the results will suffer. People love to hate. This has nothing to do with Ten Hag and everything to do with the ownership and management of the team.

man uts have a problem buying players that doant work hard enough but get massive wages every week,bruno and rashford are massive problem for any manager their work rate is piss poor in help out the team

United should have got Posticoglu. My reasons is, he was similar to Sir Alex in terms of how he started in the scottish keague.

mourinho is a bad manager?!?! Van Gaal was a bad manager?!?! Has Moyes literally not just won a European trophy? I'm not even a united fan but to say some of these things shows get the badge in doesn't have a clue. Please make this his first and last time on here.

Ten Hag has already said he’s not playing the same way here as he did at Ajax, look it up.

The disrespect for Jose is a really bad take folks. I'm a Liverpool fan, I've plenty of respect and hate for the way he competed against us with better teams and worse teams. This guy has taken a post fergie, post Moyes Man U teams, got them to 2nd and won 2 major trophies, he's then taken this dreadful Roma side to 2 European finals, won one and narrowly lost another. Respect.

How’s man blaming the manager, the squads he puts out is the best thing he can put out ffs look at the injuries we have. Plus what happens when we sack him we’ll get another and then it’ll happen again and then what ? Sack him too.

I love The Kick Off but you don’t need two Chelsea fans on the panel

Really enjoy how no-one talks over anyone. People listen and take in what has been said! These people talk about facts and no crazy lies like some people say.

It’s interesting when a team loose form everyone is talking about the manager…this same set of people last season admitted ETH has done a good job but in the same sitting has said he is has done any job at all.. When Last season when Kloop was loosing every game. Nobody said he was a bad coach… the talk was his team has injuries but no one puts into context United miss a lot of players.

Saying that the previous United managers were bad is laughable. Moyes won the Conference League last season with West Ham, Van Gaal came in after getting a third spot at the World Cup with an average team woth top players over their prime, Mourinho reached the final of the Europa League with Roma last season.. it seems to be more structural at United than a manager issue. Stop putting too much pressure on the players. Rashford is great, but clearly he crumbles once they put the weight of the whole team on his shoulder

The lack of football knowledge on that table is a madness

tbis channel is so on point

I can't wait to revisit this debate after 2 more season.

Notice whenever there is a chat about united there are never any united fans on the show😂 Absolutely shameless

11:09 FINALLY SOMEONE WITH A COMMON SENSE

Bro said José Mourinho is a bad manager 🤣🤣💀

That guy with caps on is in love with eric the bald head

Massive difference in quality of personnel on compared to other channels. These guys are clueless. Around 5-6 players are ETH signings. 5-6 defenders injured... and awful owners which don't allow ETH to overhaul the team.

Jacob speaking facts, they went from buying an in form Sancho and Ronaldo to an Amrabat and spurs 2nd string left backs 😭

Remember ten hag also made Mctominay worse. I know he is a bang average but he gave his all under previous managers and now he completely looks like he don't care.

The majority of Man U fans will say their squad is better than Spurs Newcastle Villa and Brighton, yet they play by far the worst brand of football. 100% Rashfords form made their last season.

the spurs fan calling ETH first season a decent season LMOA xD

I've never seen people call so hard for a managers head 😂 actually ridiculous, yes Ten Hag has made mistakes but sacking him is not the answer

Man Utd play in moments. They play terrible for 70 mins but will have a decent 20 mins score 1 or 2 goals on the counter attack and grab a lucky win. Been like this for years now.

For United, everything comes down to recruitment. They have a manager that took an Ajax team to a CL semi. They bought badly, i cant name 1 decent signing maybe Bruno but he could be a problem himself

Aint seen the Glaziers for one minute PLAYING in an of these games ! ? Ten Hags and a goalie

The most balanced debate of all time 😂 Don’t know what’s worse the down fall for United or the kick off

Has Rashford been exposed? Free ride Because of his school lunches. But on the pitch when the going gets tough he walks around like he doesn’t care

Ten hag gets sacked Caretaker manger brings back Sancho redemption arc Trophy achievement ⭐

When are United fans gonna acknowledge they’re just an average team with poor managers, recruitment and players. Their owners have consistently outspent every other premier league team they have the highest wage bill in the league they have no excuses

I'm so glad someone with a platform has finally said something about the Sancho/Anthony/Greenwood hypocrisy. Sancho trains poorly and sends out a tweet that the manager doesn't like and he isn't allowed near the squad yet 2 members of the squad have been accused (granted NOT proven innocent OR guilty) and they're looking like they have free reign to come back and do whatever they want

Okay this new guy has got to calm down, Mourinho may have had a bad start to the season this year but he still got spurs to a cup final and won a trophy with Roma and then got to another European final where they got screwed over by the ref. Also Moyes just won a trophy with West Ham. This guy is out here acting as if all the managers who left MAN UTD haven't done anything 😂😂

You cannot use klopp or eddie howe or even pep and arteta as a way to bash ten hags signing. They all have had 10x better back room staff from DOF than ten hag and to disregard just to get your point across is stupid. Any of those managers i listed above would be in similar positions to Ten Hag at United, not due to amount of money spent but to the process of getting these players.

United fans don’t see anything bad in him because they invested all their time into saying he’s the one to take them back to the top. Classic case of the sunk cost fallacy in play

How a tottenham fan says only the league cup. Mate you've won fuck all for 20 plus years.

I think the main jist of the fans backing ten hag is lack of other options. No one wants to go there who's worth a damn. Every time they get somebody new, they get a bounce then fall apart season 2 and the cycle continues. It's a mess. I feel sorry for decent fans, but considering most of em treated us toon like dirt throughout the 90s, I'm hard pressed to care

1/4 speaking with logic

The difference between arteta and eth is results. You’re absolutely delusional if u think that there’s not a better manager out there that can get more out of those players