Why Tesla, GM And Other EV Companies Have A Fire Problem

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2 жыл бұрын

Electric vehicles provide a path toward a greener future, but they can be especially dangerous when they catch fire. While car fires are nothing new and internal combustion engine car fires are also a problem, lithium-ion battery fires are extremely volatile and challenging to put out, and there are few resources out there to help firefighters. In addition, car makers like GM, Ford, Hyundai and Tesla have had to do costly recalls due to fire risk. CNBC explores how automakers and firefighters are going to deal with EV's fire problem.
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Why Tesla, GM And Other EV Companies Have A Fire Problem

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@BonnieKay13
@BonnieKay13 2 жыл бұрын
Our neighbors were on vacation, left their EV in the attached garage. Fire ... burned it all to the ground, nice home, large, expensive. Experts proved that it was the EV.
@aaron___6014
@aaron___6014 Жыл бұрын
damn
@shikharashish4839
@shikharashish4839 Жыл бұрын
Don't worry. Its just an EV revolution.
@bobby1970
@bobby1970 Жыл бұрын
I hope the home owner had home/fire insurance on the home.
@redbaron6805
@redbaron6805 Жыл бұрын
@@shikharashish4839 Don't worry, you will never understand how any of this actually works.
@redbaron6805
@redbaron6805 Жыл бұрын
@@bobby1970 Insurance is pretty standard on every home in pretty much every country.
@rusty358
@rusty358 7 ай бұрын
After a hurricane in Florida, several Teslas caught fire due to corrosion caused by salt water. This would implicate northern climates where salt is used in road ice management.
@user-hh6ex9md4w
@user-hh6ex9md4w 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing this information about the potential fire issue with Tesla vehicles. It's important for people to be aware of all possible factors when considering an electric vehicle. Speaking of power solutions, have you heard about the Segway Portable PowerStation Cube Series? It's a versatile and reliable option for outdoor enthusiasts and backup power needs.
@matvangogh
@matvangogh 2 ай бұрын
Wow Which hurricane
@Psi01
@Psi01 Жыл бұрын
Respect to firefighters. They may not know exactly what they're dealing with before they go to a fire, but they go anyway. Of the 218 that died in the 2020 Beirut explosion, 10 were firefighters that arrived at the warehouse that improperly stored 552 metric tonnes of ammonium nitrate, the same chemcial used in the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.
@ethanweeter2732
@ethanweeter2732 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that is why you check on what type of warehouse. Ammonium nitrate is the main ingredient in fertilizer and highly combustible.
@mochiebellina8190
@mochiebellina8190 Жыл бұрын
Some say a foreign govt is responsible for setting off that inferno in Beirut. The same outfit that attacked the USS Liberty years ago and continues to attack its neighbors daily.
@MICKEYISLOWD
@MICKEYISLOWD Жыл бұрын
That thing was like a 4KT nuke equivalent. Most shocking explosion I ever saw.
@ferdiecassel3697
@ferdiecassel3697 Жыл бұрын
One would have thought the 1947 Texas City explosion would have made ammonium nitrate handling and safety protocols of the utmost importance. Apparently not.
@jakexgold3879
@jakexgold3879 Жыл бұрын
The humankind are pathetic! Rolled up steel or metal sheet, push and force the sheet under the burning car, or has some light forklifting while push the flat metallic sheet under the car. Then rolled out barrier of inflatable walls around the car but not too near it to get burnt, the walls only need to be tall enough to fill up waters to drown the car or submerged it, the base of these walls are either suction cup to the metallic sheet, to prevent leaking of water, spray fast drying concrete foams at the base and corner on the wall. Keep firehosing into the the swimming pool with the burning car inside. This method saves water and drown the burning car. I am baby chatting with you, because you are not worth it! Don’t ask me about other misc small details as how to deliver and prepaid materials to built the immediate swimming pool!
@vRoD-jr5ue
@vRoD-jr5ue 7 ай бұрын
Lithium battery's are a huge problem. They have a problem called thermal runaway. I had 2 spontaneous combust in my warehouse and they were not being charged and were not fully charged. They have been keeping it quiet. The batteries also have had cell phones, laptops, tablets and RV's. Airliners have crashed from fires in flight.
@1982nsu
@1982nsu 2 жыл бұрын
The issue is that EV cars catch fire while NOT being driven. I don't know of any ICE vehicle catching fire while being parked unless the ignition was from an outside source. Electric vehicles can virtually spontaneously combust while recharging. Lithium batteries have a checkered history of spontaneously combustion.
@linusa2996
@linusa2996 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing as one needs a spark and the right mixture of o2 and fuel fumes, it's difficult
@1982nsu
@1982nsu 2 жыл бұрын
@@linusa2996 Not true. There are many compounds that do not require a "spark" in order to ignite. They only need a source of oxygen. Lithium is such a compound. An electric vehicle can be perfectly still and ignite because of oxygen intrusion. No "spark" required. The German fighter Me-163B, ran on a combination of two propellants: “T-Stoff”, highly concentrated hydrogen peroxide; and “C-Stoff”, a 30% mixture of Hydrazine Hydrate and Methanol. These propellants were hypergolic, meaning that when they came into contact with each other they immediately and violently exploded. No "spark" required. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rsCSqNiZlsyWe4E.html
@1982nsu
@1982nsu 2 жыл бұрын
@@bert1450 I agree. any viable tech or invention does not need government subsidies or propaganda. Cars, cell phones and everything in between did not happen because of government involvement. If something is economically viable the public will support it with their wallets.
@TheCort1971
@TheCort1971 2 жыл бұрын
more kia and hyundai cars and suv have caught fire than all of the EVs combined. FACTS.
@mannyislikethat
@mannyislikethat 2 жыл бұрын
But when placed in vehicles they do have extra safety measures to prevent this. ICE vehicles are likely to catch fire while parked as well so don't just think it's EV's.
@alex91062
@alex91062 2 жыл бұрын
People in the comments clearly just read the title and didn't watch the whole video 😂
@duncanmcauley7932
@duncanmcauley7932 2 жыл бұрын
I know right, it’s kind of annoying. I don’t get what they’re freaking out about
@CaptainCJ97
@CaptainCJ97 2 жыл бұрын
It's concerning
@lesliefranklin1870
@lesliefranklin1870 2 жыл бұрын
When they use a misleading title, it's called "click bait".
@rui569
@rui569 2 жыл бұрын
The title is part of the content.
@Brattoes
@Brattoes 2 жыл бұрын
I thought you were exaggerating, but more than half really didn't watch until the end. Such brigading mentality...
@hankh4107
@hankh4107 Жыл бұрын
As a Rural volunteer fire department. We are working on our own tactics. It is plain to see no one cares about how we are to fight these things. The attention on just getting them on the road is most important.
@jolietia
@jolietia Жыл бұрын
Wow. Thank you for your service
@666Necropsy
@666Necropsy Жыл бұрын
when you figure everything into the picture of EV's. it seems silly when the benefit for straight EV isnt really there.
@Hex-Mas
@Hex-Mas Жыл бұрын
Strike. Let them reflect on the 3rd degree burns.
@ricktd6891
@ricktd6891 Жыл бұрын
Stop the global warming scam and outlaw lithium ion batteries.
@santosrojas9610
@santosrojas9610 Жыл бұрын
I don't Like Electric Car's And You Do A Great Job Fighting Fires
@richardneville4255
@richardneville4255 Жыл бұрын
Another concerning aspect is the ageing of these vehicles. Rust / corrosion is a major problem here in the UK and is only made worse from the salting of the roads during the Winter months. The batteries are underside so we can only expect rust eventually getting into the battery casings and potentially causing corrosion of these Lithium packs in say for example 10+ years time.
@irusev
@irusev Жыл бұрын
Norway has 80 % ev adoption.. surely they know what they are doing
@denisek292
@denisek292 10 ай бұрын
@@irusev Imho, they have not a clue. Insanity rules over common sense.
@irusev
@irusev 10 ай бұрын
@@denisek292 well, they sure seem pretty happy to me
@BillClinton228
@BillClinton228 10 ай бұрын
This whole video is full of factual omissions, firstly alot of batteries can't be put out with water, once the battery catches fire the chemicals in the battery produce more oxigen which fuels the fire. An experiment was done where they punctured the battery of an EV and put the car in a hole in the ground and filled it with dirt and water... this method would put out most fires but the ev continued to burn for several hours.
@ThaexakaMavro
@ThaexakaMavro 9 ай бұрын
@@irusev still ''new'' will see in 10-15 years
@brob-zy8zi
@brob-zy8zi 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of combustion engine vehicles catch fire each year. There is no denying it. My problem with Electric Vehicles is that there is very little chance to get out without at the very least burns. Imagine having a child in a car seat and your battery bursting into flames. It isn't just a small fire that grows. It is quite literally an instant inferno full of toxic fumes. If electric vehicles are the future then someone had better get a hold on this problem however infrequent it may be.
@TheCort1971
@TheCort1971 2 жыл бұрын
more kia and hyundai cars and suv have caught fire than all of the EVs combined. FACTS. go watch the videos here on youtube. thousands of people barely made it out of the cars before they went up in flames completely
@toromontana8290
@toromontana8290 2 жыл бұрын
If this problem isn't addressed, I will not only refuse to buy an EV, I will refuse to enter an EV taxi or have anything to do with EVs.
@dottiea.2186
@dottiea.2186 2 жыл бұрын
It goes up in flames 🔥 in Seconds NOT Minutes... plus all the Acid Splatters everywhere....
@dottiea.2186
@dottiea.2186 2 жыл бұрын
@@toromontana8290 Goggle, Electric vehicles and busses going up in flames 🔥 you would be surprised, and don't park them in your garage or close to the house...
@TheCort1971
@TheCort1971 2 жыл бұрын
@@dottiea.2186 what acid??? there is no acid in a lithium battery. still feel smart?
@timtheflymantaylor6400
@timtheflymantaylor6400 2 жыл бұрын
as a firefighter i must say, lithium batteries and oxygen dont mix.. well they do and it generates 1600 degrees. we do NOT use water on batteries at risk of explosion, we use afff foam substance that creates a barrier between oxygen and the exposed materials. this story is half true half bs and im gonna say an unpopular opinion, this is an attack by oil companies on ev production. they DO know the exact numbers because its reported to the national transportation board. i own ford rangers so im not an ev guy but support the idea of cars being ev with a solar panel roof to create longer distances.
@stephenpowstinger733
@stephenpowstinger733 2 жыл бұрын
“an attack by oil companies” he says. I don’t think do.
@ertsec
@ertsec 2 жыл бұрын
I know nothing about this, but arent EV fires handled like an electric/metallic fire?
@RCdiy
@RCdiy 2 жыл бұрын
An NMC lithium ion battery is self sustaining. It does not need external oxygen. A LiFePO4 battery does not catch fire and does not experience thermal run away. Lithium batteries do not explode with water. There was a time in the RC community that LiPo batteries were put in a bucket of water at end of life to completely discharge them. Silly in hind sight but anyway the point is not explosive reactions.
@timtheflymantaylor6400
@timtheflymantaylor6400 2 жыл бұрын
@@RCdiy thats why i love this job, you learn every day lol
@charlieangkor8649
@charlieangkor8649 2 жыл бұрын
I took rusty lithium cells from old laptop battery and wanted so see if the cell has high resistance due to age. So I set multimeter to 10 amps and shorted the cell. My eyeballs popped. Even old, this little cell gives so much current. Now imagine all the cells in your When-Someone-Packs-A-Van-With-ANFO-He-Counts-As-A-Terrorist-But-When-We-Pack-A-Car-With-An-Incendiary-Bomb-We-Dont-Count-As-Terrorists-Tesla short at the same time in parallel. By the way, did you know the name of the Stanford University contains the word ANFO? StANFOrd.
@navret1707
@navret1707 2 жыл бұрын
If I remember correctly, the airlines have a prohibited transporting Li batteries in passenger aircraft due to fire possibilities. GM’s response to house fires caused by their batteries catching fire was (wait for it. . . . ) charge you car outside, not in the garage. Brilliant 😵‍💫
@neilkurzman4907
@neilkurzman4907 2 жыл бұрын
You don’t remember correctly. Were you allowed to bring your phone with you? How about your laptop? You’re not allowed to put lithium-ion batteries in the cargo area of an airplane. But then again you’re not allowed to put bottles of gasoline there either. Wait for it, to automotive companies have recommended you not park your gasoline car in your garage because of spontaneous fires. Check on current recalls.
@Mav86asian
@Mav86asian Жыл бұрын
@@neilkurzman4907 LOL. Since when people are not allowed to park their gasoline or diesel cars in the garage because of fire risk. You’re just making things up. It’s a garage! It’s purpose is to store cars.
@unkown34x33
@unkown34x33 10 ай бұрын
Outside... In the burning sun... Damn they are truly geniuses... I pray for the families. I don't like EVs at all
@joey_bonin
@joey_bonin 7 ай бұрын
Remember Boeing's airliner fire? Chin-ese Lithium batteries were to blame.
@randsipe224
@randsipe224 7 ай бұрын
Yes that seems inconvenient but to be fair do you think it would be wise to be storing and pouring 20 gallons of gasoline in your garage. GM did have a problem with the Bolt but I think they have resolved it. Tesla has had very little problems with fire and the vast majority of there cars have been safely charged in garages for a long time. There have been. CHICAGO (CBS) -- Millions of Kia and Hyundai vehicles were recalled Wednesday over concerns they could catch on fire while parked or while being driven. Hyundai warned drivers to park their cars outside until they can get the necessary repairs. This problem as you can plainly see from the above press release is not necessary unique to every cars. Hyundai and Kia recall 3.4 million cars for this problem in 2009 -2010 model years. Their advice, park the car outside. Ironically ain’t it.
@sigmann66
@sigmann66 2 жыл бұрын
I was planning my next car to be an EV. But all these fires lately are definitely making me rethink. EVs still need major improvements in the safety area.
@mannyislikethat
@mannyislikethat 2 жыл бұрын
But at the end of the day, it's been proven that ICE vehicles still have a higher chance of catching fire because the gasoline is more flammable and more exposed. Rethink your decision.
@normvanduker9999
@normvanduker9999 2 жыл бұрын
You should stick with your plan to buy an EV. According The National Highway Traffic Administration, on a per mile driven basis you are much, much more likely to suffer injury or death by fire driving a gasoline powered car than by driving an EV. This CNBC video is misleading click-bait. The title should be "How EVs are Solving the Fire Problem Caused by Internal Combustion Engines". But then the entire segment would end up being ridiculously short as the narrator simply points to the fact that according to NHTSA data gasoline cars are 10x more likely than EVs to catch fire and, unlike gasoline cars that carry around a tank full of highly explosive gasoline vapor, EVs virtually never explode.
@wardfiction5693
@wardfiction5693 2 жыл бұрын
Don't worry, when you fill your car up with petrol you can be safe in the knowledge that of static ignights the fumes, you'll go up in flames. If you have diesel, well a little bit lucky, but they can explode too. Just be glad you don't need hydrogen...
@brianletter3545
@brianletter3545 2 жыл бұрын
@@wardfiction5693 Neither petrol nor diesel can explode without being mixed with an oxidant. Both, without an oxidant, will extinguish a spark. It is, in fact, very difficult to ignite diesel in open air if it is cold.
@normvanduker9999
@normvanduker9999 Жыл бұрын
With regard to your "from what I've heard" comment, it is not a matter of opinion, but rather a matter of fact based upon National Highway Traffic Safety Administration data that EVs are 10x less likely to catch fire than gasoline cars. And for Tesla owners the data is even compelling: "From 2012 - 2021, there has been approximately one Tesla vehicle fire for every 210 million miles traveled. By comparison, data from the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) and U.S. Department of Transportation shows that in the United States there is a vehicle fire for every 19 million miles traveled." It is also a matter of fact, not opinion but fact, that gasoline vapor is explosive while EV batteries, though they can burn at extremely high temperatures, are not. Further, it was only one specific model of EV, the Chevy Bolt, that was at risk of spontaneous combustion and therefore unsafe to park in the garage. The Chevy Bolt was originally equipped with SK batteries that had a design defect that could cause them to catch fire. But all of those old Chevy Bolts are now having their SK batteries replaced and, again, no other model of EV ever had that problem. Meanwhile, it is a myth that gasoline cars can't catch fire unless they are being driven. As with EVs spontaneous gasoline car fires are rare, but gasoline cars absolutely can and sometimes do catch fire when they are turned off and parked in the garage. The usual mechanism is a wiring defect precipitating an electrical short that ignites vapor from a leaky fuel line. In fact, 483,000 cars from the Kia/Hyundai group were just recalled earlier this year to correct a defect that could cause that very problem and there is currently NHTSA safety alert telling Kia/Hyundai owners that their cars are at risk of spontaneously catching fire.
@lowlanz
@lowlanz 2 жыл бұрын
What needs to be investigated more is the possibility of crash fire. In many cases, traditional cars catch fire in the front, where you can notice quickly and get out, but EVs burn from below in a ferocious manner. You may not even realize that you have to get out ASAP. There had been numerous cases where the driver was burnt alive, which rarely happens with traditional vehicles.
@kennsdlyalcima7848
@kennsdlyalcima7848 Жыл бұрын
Electric vehicle fires are gradual build up.. this burned alive without realizing it is so far fetched ….
@0xsergy
@0xsergy Жыл бұрын
@@kennsdlyalcima7848 one guy did burn alive but he had aftermarket unbreakable windows so the firefighters/whoever was trying to break his windows to get him out of the wreck he caused(drunk i think? memory so forgive mistakes) were unable to break the windows to rescue him. If he had stock windows they'd have been able to save him.
@xalataf3365
@xalataf3365 Жыл бұрын
Combine this with many of these new EVs (and frankly new cars in general) coming with fancy electric door handles with weirdly hidden manual emergency releases _cough_ Tesla…
@dennis_nl7587
@dennis_nl7587 Жыл бұрын
@@kennsdlyalcima7848 excuse me? gradual build up??? if you search ''Tesla parking garage fire'' on youtube you'll see in the first or second video that the Tesla literally burst into flames in the blink of an eye. Apart from some minor smoke, there was absolutely no warning before the whole thing turned into a gigantic blow torch. Imagine driving normally on the road with your kids strapped in, your baby locked in his special seat in the back. And your Tesla burst into flames in under 5 seconds when ur going 80 km/h, do you think you'll have time to realise it's happening, stop the car, get out, and unlocking your children from their seats when the car is already shooting flames? think not.
@kennsdlyalcima7848
@kennsdlyalcima7848 Жыл бұрын
@@dennis_nl7587 yea gradual build up 🤣😂 you yourself just said aside from from smoke it was spontaneous… these packs are made of thousands of cells they don’t all go thermal together.. these issues typically start with 1 single or maybe hand full.. and has a dominoes effect.. your watching videos people put up when things have already gone haywire… And if your driving Tesla battery packs are equipped with temperature emergency warning/shutdown … if it’s about to happen while your driving you will know and have plenty of time because the safety system that observes temperature activates well below the thermal runaway temperature of the battery cells… theres like 100 temperature sensors throughout a Tesla battery pack.. these cell don’t go from working to spontaneously catching fire… they catch fire from getting to hot..before you would even see the smoke your taking about the car safety system would be been triggered
@bikingD
@bikingD 2 жыл бұрын
I love how everyone who is an EV fan is losing their mind with this story. The story talks about the fire being different then fuel such as hotter, toxic, can restart again after. Can catch while charging etc. Never has this article stated less safe or more dangerous but different technology. That's it get your head straight. Nothing is wrong with this story at all. Doesn't bash EV's or ICE just talking about the differences and challenges. That's it.
@daniebello
@daniebello 2 жыл бұрын
people are gonna just read the title and run with it to fuel anti EV bs, CNBS needs to be more responsible with their choice of words
@bikingD
@bikingD 2 жыл бұрын
@@daniebello It's to get people to watch it. If it bleeds it leads. The story itself is fine it is people taking out of it what they want but not what actually is said. You yourself had a preconceived notion because you called the CNBS and didn't like the title. If you are an educated person you get all the facts vs just being a headline chaser. Story brought out true facts and true concerns regarding EV's and as a consumer of EV's you should want these issues addressed both for your safety and the success of EV's. You fight everything instead of fixing issues then you will never have anyone on your side other then the extremists.
@hangender
@hangender 2 жыл бұрын
so you are anti-EV. got it. jk jk
@bikingD
@bikingD 2 жыл бұрын
@@hangender Your bent. Love the new ID Buzz. Love the new Hummer. Just don't have my head in the sand and know there are issues to address. Your just blindly following no matter what the problems are. That is why people push back instead of embracing them because if extremist freaks.
@noahabrams9909
@noahabrams9909 2 жыл бұрын
I think you are correct. I am an EV fan and I believe fires are a risk to their adoption. The thing that people are probably worried about is that people will think EV fires are common and it is important that people realize that EV fires are much rarer than gasoline fires.
@Wildc4rd
@Wildc4rd 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know how someone would sleep at night having one of these cars in their garage, let alone plugged overnight. You can literally burn down your house to ashes. Even crazy to hear firefighters can’t even get to the batteries to put out the fire.
@satish1012
@satish1012 Жыл бұрын
And it can spread to neighboring houses .. It is not good
@juliam6442
@juliam6442 Жыл бұрын
Internal combustion engines catch fire spontaneously too, but nobody would read an article about that -- too boring.
@peninsulaautoservice2559
@peninsulaautoservice2559 Жыл бұрын
As a firefighter for 7 years how can you sleep at night in your own home with electricity running through a 24/7 and most likely gas pipes. Also petrol vehicles are a lot more dangerous then EV'S. What I'm saying is it's the media doing what media does best.
@JordiLA
@JordiLA Жыл бұрын
Gas xplosions are much better .. 🎉
@kennsdlyalcima7848
@kennsdlyalcima7848 Жыл бұрын
The same way you sleep with your laptop, phone even modems have lithium backups in them
@stephengamble9388
@stephengamble9388 7 ай бұрын
Luton car park in the UK, recently burnt down. The media were very quick to blame a diesel car, which was not the opinion of many experts. If they hadn't, think of the consequences, no EVs in public car parks, no EVs on ferries or the Channel tunnel. No car insurer would touch them.
@michael.randall5034
@michael.randall5034 4 ай бұрын
I believe this will happen as EV's are banned in some underground car parks in Europe
@mackpines
@mackpines 2 жыл бұрын
As they said, these types of fires are very rare. You're more likely to get in an accident than having the vehicle just burst into flames. Of course, the media likes to make it seem like this is a daily occurance.
@lightexplorer
@lightexplorer 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed thanks for sensationalizing the problem CNBC…
@markplott4820
@markplott4820 2 жыл бұрын
there are more than 900k vehicle fires in America each year, most are ICEV.
@TheIncomparableGolfer
@TheIncomparableGolfer 2 жыл бұрын
I hope you like "radiation poisoning" if you drive an electric car
@macemoneta
@macemoneta 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheIncomparableGolfer You know your body is emitting electromagnetic radiation, right? By your logic, you are a danger to everyone around you.
@TheIncomparableGolfer
@TheIncomparableGolfer 2 жыл бұрын
@@macemoneta exactly.. so adding more radiation is not smart
@kaygee4208
@kaygee4208 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed that they didn't mention how many of the car fires per year were EV's. WHen they had a second chance to make that point, they went the way of comparing ICE fires to all fires.
@1982nsu
@1982nsu 2 жыл бұрын
You're spot on Kay. Many ICE car fires are the result of arson, insurance scams or simply being parked and having another vehicle crash into them. In other words a fire due to a source from outside the vehicle. EV can ignite from within without warning.
@robertagren9360
@robertagren9360 Жыл бұрын
Can't be compared without replacing all ICE
@zooker7507
@zooker7507 Жыл бұрын
the fire is like many torches not the same as a gas car.
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 9 ай бұрын
The NTSB could tell you. They recorded around 190'000 ICE car fires in the US during 2022. There were 4200 EV fires recorded over the same period.....
@michael.randall5034
@michael.randall5034 3 ай бұрын
There is no comparison an EV fire is 10 times worse!!
@LostChildOfTime
@LostChildOfTime Жыл бұрын
An all electric future looks more deadly than it initially didn't. Imagine a large lot full of these cars. What would that do to the environment if one caught fire and eventually the whole lot? Would it even be able to be contained and once its over, would there even be any ground left beneath the vehicles?
@mochiebellina8190
@mochiebellina8190 Жыл бұрын
They might burn a hole down to the center of the Earth and release b gates father from Hades itself.
@tarstarkusz
@tarstarkusz Жыл бұрын
There isn't going to be an all electric future, at least not anytime soon.
@inverse2k1
@inverse2k1 Жыл бұрын
@Giuliano Matrix actually, he was dead serious.
@falseprogress
@falseprogress Жыл бұрын
Another big environmental impact of electrification is the scale of "clean energy" sprawl that's still dependent on fossil fuels. I can't feel green while driving through industrial landscapes full of wind turbines and solar lakes. They are dealing a major aesthetic blow to mountaintops and rural ambience.
@tarstarkusz
@tarstarkusz Жыл бұрын
@@falseprogress We are already at a risk of rolling blackouts. They are insane. Even though the gas engines are less efficient, the US uses 369 million gallons a day. At 46MJ per kilo (a gallon of gas is like 3 kilos or 6 pounds), that's A LOT of energy to replace and get from somewhere else.
@Billblom
@Billblom 7 ай бұрын
The Car Park in England that had a fire, with a collapse, and loss of about a thousand cars. The vehicle that started it was a Range Rover Hybrid. Video showed flames under the vehicle from the 'left side' of the vehicle.. in other words, the passenger side. Looking at diagrams of the vehicle, that hybrid has all its batteries under the passenger compartment on that side. Attempts were made to put the fire out, but full fire extinguishers couldn't touch it. All the cars in that car park were lost due to the fire in one hybrid. Ooops.
@KaosNova2
@KaosNova2 7 ай бұрын
Hybrid cars are a worse fire risk when parked than ICE or EV
@DenofBarjack
@DenofBarjack 7 ай бұрын
Hybrid cars still have batteries which can burn extra hot
@sauravroy2244
@sauravroy2244 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting! Never seen CNBC discussed fire problem in ICE cars! Which is much more serious than Tesla! Of course it is understandable as everyone knows from where major advertising revenue comes from!
@MrJimheeren
@MrJimheeren 2 жыл бұрын
ICE cars tend to set flame after a crash. EVs have the nasty habit of flaming out while being charged. And that’s a big difference
@odisy64
@odisy64 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrJimheeren nope, ICE cars can catch fire from any number of reasons, last month i saw a car burn because its radiator was blocked by snow. Nearly all tesla fires are caused by collisions, on some rare occasions the wires in the house are too thin to supply constant power and catch fire.
@dawrincueto6962
@dawrincueto6962 2 жыл бұрын
@@odisy64 at least ice car fires are easy to put out, and yes i know they happen more but many times they are mild and are resolved with a fire extinguisher, my dad had a truck whose starter motor turned on and he was able to put out the fire quick and easy and two days later It was running again, but imagine an electric car on fire inside a garage and having to wait for the firefighters to come with more than 20,000 gallons of water, that's what nobody compares to cars ICE and the EV
@odisy64
@odisy64 2 жыл бұрын
@@dawrincueto6962 according to firefighter reports, it only takes about 2 minuets to put out an EV fire but they will continue to douse the battery to prevent heat from re igniting the battery but this is often exaggerated by the media that makes it sound like 20,000 gallons where needed to put out the flames, this happens with engine blocks as well, people will use a fire extinguisher on a hot engine block that just got shove into fuel lines only to have the heat re-ignite the fuel as soon as oxygen was present.
@kurtgrundel4045
@kurtgrundel4045 2 жыл бұрын
@@odisy64 what firefighter report? It does take an average of 20K gallons of water. Very important in drought times for California. The place that has brown outs and power shortages. Garages have a one our firewall and ICE engine can be extinguished in that time. EV will loose the house unless the car can be pulled out.
@ojonasar
@ojonasar 2 жыл бұрын
Without oil, companies will struggle to even make the cars - oil doesn’t just represent the fuel, not by a long way.
@yodaiam1000
@yodaiam1000 7 ай бұрын
Yes, it is not a sudden transition to electrify but you have to start somewhere.
@2LaneTraveler
@2LaneTraveler Жыл бұрын
It's not a mystery. Anytime you store energy in quantity, the potential exists for that energy to be catastrophically released. One huge disadvantage of LiO batteries over gasoline is that a LiO battery fire contains oxidizers, and is therefore extraordinarily persistent and difficult to extinguish compared to a petroleum fuel fire.
@yodaiam1000
@yodaiam1000 7 ай бұрын
The other major differences are is that BEV fires are far less likely to occur than ICE fires and there is far more energy stores in a tank of gas.
@user-gm2vx9pd5j
@user-gm2vx9pd5j 7 ай бұрын
I'm watching this video and the first comercial that comes up is for an electric car, priceless
@duncanmcauley7932
@duncanmcauley7932 2 жыл бұрын
Half of the comments below are people who feel they need to remind you that gas cars can catch fire, too
@thomasreese2816
@thomasreese2816 2 жыл бұрын
Because they burn at a 10-50x rate. And yet they decided not to make that the video topic
@nathanroberson
@nathanroberson 2 жыл бұрын
Well see CNBSisn’t telling a new story. It’s a propagandist station at this point supported by either gasoline car advertisement
@LordSamuelJ
@LordSamuelJ 2 жыл бұрын
There are a lot more gasoline cars out there than EVs. At this rate, If it were 50/50 there would be a heck of a lot more EV fires than gas.
@steveb796
@steveb796 2 жыл бұрын
As they should.
@redbaron6805
@redbaron6805 2 жыл бұрын
@@LordSamuelJ False. The rate is per 100,000 cars. "Fully electric vehicles, on the other hand, were deemed far safer than both hybirds and gas cars; they are far less likely to catch fire, with just 25.1 fires per 100,000 sales. That's compared to 3,474 hybrid fires and 1,529 ICE fires per 100,000 sales respectively." So, the rate of fires is 25 fires per 100,000 electric cars, but 1529 per 100,000 gasoline cars. It doesn't matter how you scale that up. Million EV's would cause 250 fires while a million combustion engine cars would have 15290 fires.
@vsrap71
@vsrap71 2 жыл бұрын
Kia’s and Hyundais love to catch fire, whether they’re ICE or EV 🤣🤣
@thekenthouse6428
@thekenthouse6428 2 жыл бұрын
Don't say Scotty Kilmer didn't warn you
@vsrap71
@vsrap71 2 жыл бұрын
@@thekenthouse6428 but he agrees
@TheCort1971
@TheCort1971 2 жыл бұрын
more kia and hyundai cars and suv have caught fire than all of the EVs combined. FACTS.
@kathrynjanzen5618
@kathrynjanzen5618 Жыл бұрын
I have a 6 cylinder hyundai. Those are not on the recall list. It applies to the 4 cylinder ones. 6 cylinder engine also gets way better mileage. Doesn't rev as high.
@TheCort1971
@TheCort1971 2 жыл бұрын
more kia and hyundai cars and suv have caught fire than all of the EVs combined. FACTS.
@curtflory8072
@curtflory8072 Жыл бұрын
All of the EV bashers on here don't want to be confused with facts. Their mind is already made up. They've been listening to the propaganda.
@xchopp
@xchopp 7 ай бұрын
GM and Hyundai/Kia recalled/replaced the faulty batteries in early (2019-2021) Chevy Bolts, e-Niro, and Kona EVs. LG Chem took a big hit: it won't make that mistake again. But sure, it was an horrendous mistake and fires will remain extremely rare, if spectacular and thus click-worthy. Then there are new battery chemistries that will address this issue. But high quality li-ion batteries are very safe, with rare exceptions. So good job CNBC editor with the title of this video. Lots of clicks and comments, I'm sure.
@pao44445
@pao44445 2 жыл бұрын
Modern solution always come with modern problem I guess.
@phillyphil1513
@phillyphil1513 2 жыл бұрын
correct, what you're seeing playing out is the Law created by Nature/God/The Universe (pick whichever form of "causation" you like) referred to as "No Free Lunch". #NOFREELUNCH this is also sometimes referred to as the Law of "Unintended Consequences". #UNINTENDEDCONSEQUENCES they're both the same. unfortunately very few people working outside the STEM fields are aware of this. hell, a great many people working INSIDE the STEM fields are aware of this.
@guydreamr
@guydreamr 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting, but what I want to know is what are the fire rates per 100,000 cars for EV *and* ICE vehicles? Does one catch fire more than the other, on a per capita basis?
@ankur1610
@ankur1610 2 жыл бұрын
Too little data to comment right now and I totally see your point that EVs are far safer than ICE engine cars.The idea behind this was not to discourage EVs but rather ensure that other things change with EVs to cope up with the tech shift.We need better roads( I am coming from a developing nation,so you might have different standards for a good road),we need better equipped emergency services to handle hazards and people need to learn to use their stuff properly.I mean,ICE engine cars have been out there for decades,they are time tested,and most their issues resolved,they are more or less built to handle rough use n abuse but compared to that EVs are still in their infancy so we just need to fund emergency services enough to keep up the pace and keep everyone safe.
@guydreamr
@guydreamr 2 жыл бұрын
@@ankur1610 Actually, at no time did I say or imply that EVs are safer than ICE vehicles. EVs can be dangerous, that's been well-established. The question is, are they more or less dangerous than ICE vehicles on a per capita basis? But your point is well-taken that we may not have enough data yet to make that determination. Modern EV technology with lithium batteries is, after all, relatively new.
@ankur1610
@ankur1610 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, totally agree with you.
@DonJulio510
@DonJulio510 2 жыл бұрын
The whole point is that EVs arent as perfect as people think they are.
@nicoj9984
@nicoj9984 2 жыл бұрын
There is simply not enough data to draw any meaningful conclusions here: - While most EVs are fairly new, there are millions of 10, 15 or 20+ year old ICE cars on the road and a most of them experienced a lot of wear and tear that could eventually lead to fires or increase the risk thereof. - There are far more ICE cars than there are EVs, meaning that the number of potential scenarios that could cause fires is greatly reduced for EVs. - There are fewer different EV models and most of them are "premium cars" (or at least more expensive than comparable ICE cars), so we don't have a large enough sample size of different engineering approaches and don't know how large scale, optimized (=cheaper) production affects fire risk. - While ICEs and their fuel management generally don't change much, the (battery) technology in EVs is rapidly evolving: different chemicals used, higher energy density, changing manufacturing practices, faster ways of charging and so on can greatly affect fire risk. If you combine all of those factors, it gets impossible to assess the risk properly and answer your question. All we know at the moment is, that once EVs start burning for whatever reason, the fire is way more dangerous and harder to put out than it is with bruning ICE cars. Also: since you can't see into the battery cells or the package as a whole, the assessment of the health of your battery entirely depends on sensor readings and an "educated guess". With an ICE car, you can see most parts that pose a fire risk like the gas tank, fuel lines and connections, so (mandatory) regular safety inspections can better help in reducing the risk.
@parolajd
@parolajd Жыл бұрын
No one can put out a lithium battery fire with water or chemicals. The battery fire only goes out when the battery is fully consumed.
@guycripplecock7804
@guycripplecock7804 5 ай бұрын
Im surprised the oil companies haven't shut down ev cars yet
@DragonKingGaav
@DragonKingGaav 2 жыл бұрын
We need a "Why Internal Combustion Engine Vehicles Have A Fire Problem" video!
@IllusiveDude
@IllusiveDude 2 жыл бұрын
ICEs don't catch fire while parked
@truenorthtreasureseekers5858
@truenorthtreasureseekers5858 2 жыл бұрын
173000 ICE vehicle fires a year. Absolutely unacceptable. Oh ya there’s a massive tank full of accelerant under the seats. So bad they have to have a “fire wall” built between the engine and the cabin.
@benjaminnead8557
@benjaminnead8557 2 жыл бұрын
@@IllusiveDude Sure they do! I've seen it happen in person.
@IllusiveDude
@IllusiveDude 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminnead8557 mhm "in person" lol
@chiquita683
@chiquita683 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminnead8557 That was probably a peaceful protest
@paulaxford6754
@paulaxford6754 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll note that the information I’ve found indicates that the Bolt and Kona fires seemed to be caused by an unfortunate cell feature where the anode had a bent sharp edge placed too close to the separator. Dendrites can eventually form off the edge and pierce the separator causing a short. The defect appears to be due to a poorly-chosen production shortcut where the serpentine folding was cut in the middle of a fold rather than on a flat region. As such the fires are not entirely random but due to a stupid mistake.
@jimmygrant424
@jimmygrant424 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I would have to say that NOTHING YOU HAVE SAID MAKES ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@LawrenceCarroll1234
@LawrenceCarroll1234 Жыл бұрын
@@jimmygrant424 , it probably would if he could upload a 3D diagram(s) of what he is attempting to describe verbally.
@redbaron6805
@redbaron6805 Жыл бұрын
@@jimmygrant424 Lithium Ion batteries have Anodes and Cathodes. It makes perfect sense for those that actually understand how Lithium Ion batteries work.
@sgsellsit
@sgsellsit Жыл бұрын
And it will not change. These companies thrive off the lowest bidder, cheapest parts and the components are built by humans.
@jakexgold3879
@jakexgold3879 Жыл бұрын
All electric car would be limited to a max speed of 60kph, no highway for them!
@bentrider
@bentrider 4 ай бұрын
"Extremely challenging to put out"? That's an understatement. Some in the industry say they are impossible to put out when they reach a certain stage.
@suspicionofdeceit
@suspicionofdeceit 2 жыл бұрын
Any car is dangerous when it catches fire.
@jca65lb
@jca65lb 2 жыл бұрын
Said Tesla owner 🤣
@anteeko
@anteeko 2 жыл бұрын
here it is diferent, the lithium fire feed itself so you cannot put it out with water or foam. So if you have an electrique car fire into a garage, it has far higher risk to tale your house (fire fighter will not be able to stop this fire)
@daniebello
@daniebello 2 жыл бұрын
@@anteeko not true, they just have to stick around longer. they put the fire out, drag the vehicle out of the garage so if it reignites it’s not a threat to the property. then they just have to keep an eye in it to ensure it doesn’t reignite and be there to put it out if it does. eventually the cascading ignition will stop
@JonathanMoosey
@JonathanMoosey 2 жыл бұрын
Electric car fires are worse
@daniebello
@daniebello 2 жыл бұрын
@@JonathanMoosey electric cars burn hotter and slower, if it catches fire you have a decent chance to escape. if your gas tank catches fire, car goes kaboom, you’re dead instantly
@lesliefranklin1870
@lesliefranklin1870 2 жыл бұрын
My brother drove a gasoline VW van that burned to the ground. If you look at the number of fires per number of type of vehicle, EVs catch on fire much less often. And with battery chemistries like Lithium-Iron-Phosphate, the chance of fire is *much* reduced.
@thomasgaudette7367
@thomasgaudette7367 2 жыл бұрын
Correct as there is no thermal runaway issue with LFP batteries. CNBC is constantly behind the curve in reporting in the EV space.
@TheIncomparableGolfer
@TheIncomparableGolfer 2 жыл бұрын
EV fire numbers will only increase as more vehicles are added
@lesliefranklin1870
@lesliefranklin1870 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheIncomparableGolfer True. However, the percentage of EVs that catch on fire is much lower than ICE cars. It's new and unusual, so it gets more reported. ("Man bites dog.") Remember the Ford pickup trucks that spontaneously caught on fire because of faulty cruise control design?
@katjerouac
@katjerouac 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheIncomparableGolfer *Percentage* %
@guydreamr
@guydreamr 2 жыл бұрын
Cool, what is the source for your statement that the number of fires are lower per capita for EVs? Would like to refer to that should I ever consider an EV for purchase.
@TheJimbaHut
@TheJimbaHut 2 жыл бұрын
This is an “unintended consequence” that is going to need some serious consideration!!!!
@6548ww
@6548ww 7 ай бұрын
Towing companies are refusing to tow these fire bombs
@belahatvany
@belahatvany 2 жыл бұрын
Why not include information as to how rare Battery fires are
@rp9674
@rp9674 Жыл бұрын
Uh, we don't have those figures yet
@troym.8644
@troym.8644 2 жыл бұрын
Nice hit piece on EVs. I mean nothing gives me a bigger sense of security knowing I’m driving around on 18 gallons of fire resistant gasoline.
@User-cb4jm
@User-cb4jm 2 жыл бұрын
Fuel isn’t flammable in liquid form. It’s only the vapour that is flammable. Batteries on the other hand do not like to be crushed, they react violently to that. What could go wrong putting massive batteries on the underside of cars moving at 60mph. Battery fires take a lot more water to put out and repeatedly reignite after being put out. Call this revenge of the Ford Pinto.
@trungson6604
@trungson6604 Жыл бұрын
The accidents about EV fires have to be reported. GM and Hyundai have massive recalls of their EV's from EV fires to the tunes of $Billions, and GM hardly sell any EV since the last year. These are important matters. Please open your eyes and see the truth.
@michaeld5888
@michaeld5888 2 жыл бұрын
6 Buses have since gone up in Potters Bar in May when one blew up whilst charging and Transport for London pulled the other 108 ones from operation as a precaution. Looks like minimum distances or even firewalls need to be maintained between these buses as they do seem to go in batches if parked close.
@addylayta9691
@addylayta9691 2 жыл бұрын
Busses are back in service and it appears, or the rumor has it that some engineer connected the cooling system the wrong way and caused the battery pack to overheat. Other rumor is that they used the wrong type of charging cable and it overheated causing the fire. More diesel busses catches fire then electric. At potters bar, only one electric bus caught fire, while the remaining 4 diesels blew the rest up easily.
@brianletter3545
@brianletter3545 2 жыл бұрын
@@addylayta9691 Such a believable story. True enough, diesel engined vehicles are exploding every day, it's just a conspiracy by Big Oil that does a cover up.
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 9 ай бұрын
I checked the call-out logs online for the Fire Service in that area. There is no mention of 6 electric buses catching fire....I think you're telling porkies.....
@michaeld5888
@michaeld5888 8 ай бұрын
@@Brian-om2hh It seems clear as far as we can ascertain an EV charging problem kicked off the event and the other buses may have been diesel. Rather academic what type of vehcles were parked next to it along for the ride though if diesel the fire was probably easier to handle. This technology is in its infancy and being rushed with political rather than pragmatic reasoning as to actually what is acheivable at this time. Again Diesel was what the government wanted everyone to have and now it is the pariah and we have the same rush in to EVs to solve all our problems.
@styldsteel1
@styldsteel1 7 ай бұрын
I love driving by with my 1979 Lincoln Continental laughing at these people
@Jack-bs7cy
@Jack-bs7cy 2 жыл бұрын
There is no risk carrying 25 gallons of fuel crashing and skidding down a highway. So says Exon.
@ankur1610
@ankur1610 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I don't understand is that how pouring water on Lithium is a good idea to begin with?
@Hans-gb4mv
@Hans-gb4mv 2 жыл бұрын
you start by putting out the fire, with foam for example, but the next step is to cool down the battery to prevent it to reignite. And that cooling down works best with water.
@johncahill3644
@johncahill3644 Жыл бұрын
Also, I’m curious to know how the water is even intruding into the battery pack since the packs are sealed and fill with antifreeze. Is there a vent perhaps that can be backed up with high enough water?
@zooker7507
@zooker7507 Жыл бұрын
they can be punctured by any loose road object
@evankalbach9985
@evankalbach9985 7 ай бұрын
Sounds similar to the Samsung issue a number of years back. I also keep hearing (in video) reference to water on a lithium fire and that is confusing since when I went to fire school water was a strict no no directly on lithium as it can explode but can be used around to support other things not burning. (As long as none of the water touches the lithium. Has something changed?
@Phrinkle
@Phrinkle 2 жыл бұрын
Please change title to Why EVs have less of a fire problem than ICE vehicles.
@jasondong9721
@jasondong9721 2 жыл бұрын
Go watch firefighters taking out fire of ICE vehicle then fire with EV vehicle
@jayman5692
@jayman5692 2 жыл бұрын
Alternative is riding in a metal box filled with gasoline. Hmmmm
@learndoimprove1625
@learndoimprove1625 Жыл бұрын
Or Bullock cart.
@TT-em8wx
@TT-em8wx Жыл бұрын
Imagine your $70k car burns down your $500k house.
@leeedsonetwo
@leeedsonetwo 7 ай бұрын
DO not park your EV in a garage.
@theashpilez
@theashpilez 2 жыл бұрын
The previous V.W. like the bug had magnesium engine cases. When they burned it went into the ground...
@sgsellsit
@sgsellsit Жыл бұрын
We fought a fire on a Honda CRX that had the magnesium rotary engine. We eventually sprayed enough shell foam to smother it so that it would not burn any more asphalt shoulder than it already had.. We had to have an all night fire watch. The next morning a rollback picked up what was left of the car. It had to be hauled to a dirt yard and stored separately. Later that day we got a call from the yard. Two idiots were throwing rocks at the foam shell and it broke away and ignited. Either a spark or stored heat we went on scene and watched it burn for two hours. There was barely anything left of the car.
@arnoldsalenbacher2594
@arnoldsalenbacher2594 2 жыл бұрын
Researches have demonstrated that growing "dendrites" inside a battery cell can short-circuit or otherwise damage the cell. During charging dendrites are growing from every lithium suface to the counter electrode - this is a behaviour which can't be prevented in any way.
@ujjalshill6442
@ujjalshill6442 2 жыл бұрын
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
@davefroman4700
@davefroman4700 2 жыл бұрын
It cannot be solved in that particular battery chemistry and form factor. It does not mean it is not a problem that new technology is capable of resolving. IE BYD's LFP Blade batteries cannot catch fire at all. Even if you drive a spike through them. And they are cranking out a million+ of those cars in China now and will be exporting them to all major markets in the next two years.
@eaglewarrior8707
@eaglewarrior8707 2 жыл бұрын
Use lead.
@redbaron6805
@redbaron6805 Жыл бұрын
Except of course, your claim that this "can't be prevented in any way" is categorically false. There are multiple ways this can be addressed: " A team at the University of Michigan designed a barrier that suppresses dendrite growth not just by physically blocking them, but also by altering the conditions around dendrite tips where growth is concentrated. The material is a soft polymer film that is polarized and piezoelectric-meaning it generates a voltage when the film is deformed. The film sits on top of the battery’s anode. And when a lithium dendrite presses on the film, the voltage repels more lithium ions from piling up at that spot. This prevents the lithium from forming sharp tips that can penetrate the barrier. " "At the Toyota Research Institute of North America, researchers recently demonstrated a battery with a lithium metal anode, solid lithium thiophosphate electrolyte, and sulfur cathode. Sulfur is another high-storage-capacity electrode material and-bonus-it’s cheap. As for the battery’s ability to resist dendrites, the Toyota researchers noted a relationship between dendrite growth and the electrolyte’s ability to conduct ions." "For example, as a battery charges, lithium ions can deposit irregularly on the anode, forming spiky structures called dendrites that can grow long enough to reach the other electrode and short-circuit the battery, potentially causing a fire. This is a bigger problem for lithium metal than for other anode materials like graphite." You DO know that most Lithium Ion batteries in cars have Graphite Anode's right?
@redbaron6805
@redbaron6805 Жыл бұрын
@@davefroman4700 It actually CAN be solved. Several labs have already found solutions to it.
@cowsgomooatme4845
@cowsgomooatme4845 Жыл бұрын
I never charge a lithium unattended, NEVER. Lithium-ion battery chemistry is susceptible to thermal runaway, they are extremely difficult to extinguish. In the case of large batteries for EV, it only takes a single cell to malfunction and start the chain reaction. I nearly lost everything when a small 6 cell lithium malfunctioned while charging and started hissing and spitting fire. Fortunately, I was present and threw it out into the gravel driveway before the whole battery burst into flames, melted the little scooter to ashes.
@balkanleopard9728
@balkanleopard9728 7 ай бұрын
Battery fires in ev's are very difficult to stop due to the chemical nature of the event. No commercial or domestic building fire codes, that I know of, address this new risk. Imagine a older style central city multi storey car park having an ev fire event. Imagine a similar event in an underground car park in a multistorey apartment block or commercial shopping mall. These fires are low risk, high consequence events. We must design to minimise the risk but above all we must immediately assess existing structures to minimise the consequences when an ev fire occurs.
@mediacafeonlinellc8728
@mediacafeonlinellc8728 2 жыл бұрын
From 2012 - 2020, there has been approximately one Tesla vehicle fire for every 205 million miles traveled. By comparison, data from the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) and U.S. Department of Transportation shows that in the United States there is a vehicle fire for every 19 million miles traveled.
@whatsup7184
@whatsup7184 2 жыл бұрын
So Does that DATA analysis mean the long distant driving by EV cars prone to be much stabilized than fossil oil cars??? I don't think so Vise versa I would say. Should have a radiothermo check the heat on each car after having the same long run in the same period of time. A simple mobile phone is non stopping using for 4 hours, the mobile heat is very high and even stun the mobile electro function. In the same way the EV car might have the similar cumulative heat after long hours of driving compared with the conventional fossil oil driven car. Well, it is really hard to define whether EV lithium battery is much stable than fossil oil. From the example of the current luxurious cars on the burning cargo vessel. This is a very interesting case to study the fire cause. Again battery???
@ujjalshill6442
@ujjalshill6442 2 жыл бұрын
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
@Wickedpissah138
@Wickedpissah138 2 жыл бұрын
You can’t compare that data. Huge variance in the number of EV cars and gasoline powered vehicles. So of course there will be less fires per miles driven in this case.
@mediacafeonlinellc8728
@mediacafeonlinellc8728 2 жыл бұрын
@@Wickedpissah138 It’s “per miles driven” so the data is relevant
@DumbledoreMcCracken
@DumbledoreMcCracken 2 жыл бұрын
Well, the difference is complicated. The data should be broken down by manufacturer and by years since manufacture. Fuel powered cars probably experience various mortality spikes from birth to death, depending on design flaws and maintenance errors. Grid powered cars probably have an infant mortality spike do to a manufacturing defect, followed by low probability of immolation that rises as the car ages.
@1982nsu
@1982nsu 2 жыл бұрын
The issue is that EV cars can catch fire while NOT being driven. 06:31 I don't know of any ICE vehicle catching fire while being parked unless the ignition was from an outside source. Electric vehicles can virtually spontaneously combust while recharging and lithium burns at a much higher temperature than gasoline. The fire chief in this video said it took 2 hours to put out one EV fire. Imagine a large parking lot filled with EV's not to mention the danger of re-charging at home overnight while everyone is asleep. Lithium batteries have a checkered history of spontaneous combustion. These batteries need to be made safer.
@toromontana8290
@toromontana8290 2 жыл бұрын
Under these circumstances, they're completely unsuitable for any home with a garage. I wouldn't park an EV in my garage.
@kathrynjanzen5618
@kathrynjanzen5618 2 жыл бұрын
You better hope you are not in it when it catches fire because your doors won't unlock and you will be trapped unless you are strong enough to kick the window out.😶
@frederickevans4113
@frederickevans4113 Жыл бұрын
1 - Kia and Hyundai vehicles have several recalls due to engine failures and fire risks (somewhat related). Some of the reported instances of fires have been while the vehicles were parked. My wife's Mercedes ML320 caught fire in the parking lot in front of her job. In the case of my wife's SUV, I believe the issue started while she was driving to work and it smoldered for a few minutes before bursting into flames. 2 - All Tesla vehicles and other luxury vehicles with electric door popper mechanisms (from the factory) also have a manual, mechanical emergency release easily accessible by the person sitting inside the vehicle. Also, the electric door poppers are typically powered by the vehicles' conventional 12v battery, not the high-voltage traction battery (often in the neighborhood of 400v). Regardless of whether you drive a gasoline, diesel, LPG/LNG, hydrogen, or battery electric vehicle, it isn't a bad idea to have a vehicle entrapment escape tool mounted within easy reach of the driver. These tools typically have a recessed blade to cut seatbelts and a sharp point (sometimes spring-loaded) to break glass. I got one for my wife that's a 2-in-1 cellphone charger and glass-break tool.
@WilbertIsRandom
@WilbertIsRandom Жыл бұрын
Well, an ICE car can catch on fire while parked if flammable power steering or brake fluid touches hot exhaust components. It happened to a friend of mine. Thankfully the car was parked on the driveway.
@WilbertIsRandom
@WilbertIsRandom Жыл бұрын
@@kathrynjanzen5618 That's why I bought a window breaker tool.
@bro7269
@bro7269 10 ай бұрын
I have been safety testing lithium ion cells for the last two years (18650 and 21700). I would have a hard time sitting on top of a battery pack with 1000-2000 cells. It’s a lot of energy packed in there….
@Brian-om2hh
@Brian-om2hh 9 ай бұрын
Where do you get 1000 to 2000 cells from? A Nissan Leaf 24kw has around 130 cells......
@bro7269
@bro7269 9 ай бұрын
@@Brian-om2hh The Tesla S class has over 7000 18650 cells.....
@aurelio-reymilaorcabal9669
@aurelio-reymilaorcabal9669 2 жыл бұрын
AS IF FOSSIL CARS NEVER CATCH FIRE 🔥 !!! ...oh those fuel fires are so common it never reported or make the evening news.
@petefraser3013
@petefraser3013 2 жыл бұрын
A better use of CNBC’s time would be to cover the overwhelming number of vehicle fires that happen with internal combustion engines.
@DonJulio510
@DonJulio510 2 жыл бұрын
The whole point of this is that EVs arent as perfect as people think they are.
@althunder4269
@althunder4269 2 жыл бұрын
ICE fires are easier to extinguish.
@Hans-gb4mv
@Hans-gb4mv 2 жыл бұрын
@@DonJulio510 and yet, statistically, they catch fire less than their internal combustion engine counterparts. Of those 173k fires last year, how many were EV fires?
@herpderp297
@herpderp297 2 жыл бұрын
If you watch the whole video they compare ev fires with ice fire and show the greater challenges specific to ev fires
@kingofutopia
@kingofutopia 2 жыл бұрын
A better strategy for you is to watch the video before commenting.. Have a nice day.
@witness1013
@witness1013 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that GAS cars have a FIRE problem
@derks0
@derks0 2 жыл бұрын
duh..
@TheV8nissan
@TheV8nissan 2 жыл бұрын
Not in your garage while you sleep,only when running or shortly after parked
@jolianijulianes5550
@jolianijulianes5550 4 ай бұрын
So many explanation of EV fire ,but the fire department doesn’t know how to extinguish it
@parolajd
@parolajd Жыл бұрын
A fire extinguisher is of absolutely no use in the case of a lithium battery fire but there is a good chance of putting out a fire with a fire extinguisher on a conventional powered vehicle but absolutely no chance in putting out a fire in a lithium battery with ANYTHING!
@diggyholme
@diggyholme 2 жыл бұрын
My Jeep WJ has this neat feature that when someone rear ends you it bursts into flames. There is a recall for this and the "fix" was to add a tow hitch receiver.
@elvism684
@elvism684 2 жыл бұрын
😂
@cmznuke
@cmznuke Жыл бұрын
Remembers me of the infamous Ford Pinto...
@rp9674
@rp9674 Жыл бұрын
Really?!
@GardensoftheAncientsHerbal
@GardensoftheAncientsHerbal 2 жыл бұрын
There needs an emergency port to fill on the battery pack for fires. Something that pops open during fire.
@omoba3000
@omoba3000 2 жыл бұрын
simple!
@biglonie
@biglonie 2 жыл бұрын
there's literally already foams and other ways to fight fires... They are just dumb, cheap and lazy...
@GardensoftheAncientsHerbal
@GardensoftheAncientsHerbal 2 жыл бұрын
@@biglonie issue is its sealed in a metal bomb casing.....
@robertweekley5926
@robertweekley5926 2 жыл бұрын
@@GardensoftheAncientsHerbal And - Manufactures could install a Fire Protection System - Like Aircraft do: Both ICE & BEV, could do so!
@xavierviaene5022
@xavierviaene5022 Жыл бұрын
In Europe , even houses caught fire when electric bycicles caught fire in the garage when reloading and people were not at home, the house was completely destroyed ... EV will be banned from underground parking lots if it turns out that these vehicles are very dangerous to catch fire and are almost not to be extinguished ... unless put into a water container for a day or more ...
@benjaminnadeau7305
@benjaminnadeau7305 2 жыл бұрын
Brought to you by BP oil...
@SpottedSharks
@SpottedSharks 2 жыл бұрын
Ford just recalled 39,000 Navigators and Expeditions (gas cars) for catching fire for no reason. EV's are SIXTY times less likely to catch fire per 100,000 vehicles.
@treyquanmooney6655
@treyquanmooney6655 2 жыл бұрын
You are not a mechanic or an engineer, go back to sleep
@RED_58
@RED_58 2 жыл бұрын
@@treyquanmooney6655 😂😂
@huntz3215
@huntz3215 7 ай бұрын
If I plugged 1 in at home I would want a firewall between garage & house.
@vonshango6311
@vonshango6311 11 ай бұрын
hot asphalt on hot days appears to be an x-factor for EV floor bateries to short-circuit and catch fire. 4:03 non-crash fire rate EV is still said to be low, but they need more/better data. 5:40 some european cities dunk the car in water. 6:00 in addition to fire/explosion, they pose two threats, toxic gasses and flammable gasses, and battery packs can reignite days later. EVs are particularly vulnerable when charging. 8:01 GM recalled 61,000 chevy volts plus 73,000 additional vehicles... BMW, ford, hyundai, mitsubishi, tesla all had 'fire risk' recalls. 9:20 2021, tesla began switching to LFP lithium iron phosphate, lower fire-risk. but LFP EVs have exploded into fire too. 10:41 solid state batteries in 2026/28 we should start to see more risk stability.
@Strongholdex
@Strongholdex 8 ай бұрын
Great comment.
@1RAYGC
@1RAYGC 7 ай бұрын
Wait until the insurance companies that offer homeowners react to EV's in an attached garage.
@TayoAAdetola
@TayoAAdetola 2 жыл бұрын
You mean GM…
@T1VI0N3Y
@T1VI0N3Y 2 жыл бұрын
CNBC would release this the day before TSLA earnings call.
@Striker50_
@Striker50_ 2 жыл бұрын
This video was posted months back too
@eddyboh2723
@eddyboh2723 9 ай бұрын
I think the eV battery pack has a fast charging tolerance point that once you bridge that point, will turn into a change reaction. I think the fires are inversely proportional to the fast charging rate. Meaning, the slower you charge it, the less likely it will ignite or go off
@Marley-ii6ls
@Marley-ii6ls Жыл бұрын
Unintended consequences. Imagine in a parking lot at the Super Bowl in 2040 when all vehicles are electric. The whole parking lot could quite conceivably go up in flames if one fire started a chain reaction. There wouldn't be enough Uber cars to get everyone home. Imagine the stampeed of people trying to move their car before it caught on fire. What a traffic jam that would be. Now think of all the large parking lots in the world. Airports, zoos, amusement parks, shopping malls.
@davidwalsh9807
@davidwalsh9807 2 жыл бұрын
Brought to u by GM and Ford - FUD
@jakeh8366
@jakeh8366 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, a video like this benefits both Ford and GM who are investing BILLIONS into EVs.
@jtonline99
@jtonline99 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, we had decades of experience with lithium batteries in consumer electronics. It’s interesting to see a lot of the same challenges have carried over. If always assumed but not had the data to back it up.
@ujjalshill6442
@ujjalshill6442 2 жыл бұрын
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
@RCdiy
@RCdiy 2 жыл бұрын
That’s comparing apples and oranges. Lithium ion is a generic name. It’s like saying all cakes are the same. Or cake and bread are the same. Remember if it bleeds it leads. Out of the billions of cellphones, laptops and anything else will a lithium ion battery how many fires were there?
@jtonline99
@jtonline99 2 жыл бұрын
@@RCdiy the science is clearly the same, so not sure where your apples and oranges comparison comes in. Perhaps you’d like to elaborate on that?
@redbaron6805
@redbaron6805 2 жыл бұрын
@@jtonline99 It clearly isn't the same as there isn't a single type of Lithium Ion batteries. Lithium Ion is an umbrella term of the battery technology, kind of like jets. There are different types, sizes and functions for jets. They are not all the same. Same applies to Lithium Ion. NCA batteries are different from NMC batteries, you have cylinder type and pouch type cells, 800V and 400V batteries, Lithium Polymer, Lithium Air, Sodium, Solid State, Lithium Iron, etc. etc. Certain types catch fire when punctured, others do not. It depends on chemistry, cell type, energy density, packaging, etc. etc. So, no. The science is not "clearly the same". There are substantial differences between current cell types and chemistry.
@jtonline99
@jtonline99 2 жыл бұрын
​@@redbaron6805 I don't think you've demonstrated a substantial difference in the fundamental science of Lithium-Ion technology, rather rattled off a list of materials, packaging methods, voltage applications etc... that have occurred as the technology has advanced and manufactures adapt the batteries to their particular application. Fundamentally they all have a flammable electrolyte and are a risk for overheating, thermal runaway, explosions, etc... And this isn't old news. There are plenty of examples of recalls from tech (Apple and Samsung), through to Aviation (Boeing) through to the automotive industry for these type of challenges, and they all use types of batteries across this Lithium-Ion spectrum you mention....
@cvrart
@cvrart 4 ай бұрын
They jumped the gun. Until the battery technology is safe and NOT a huge fire risk, these vehicles are not ready for prime time. Consumers are catching on and EV sales are stalling. Current models of EV's have catastrophic rates of depreciation and owners of EV's will not get much for their used EV's, particularly now that the risk of them being a ticking time bomb while charging in someone's garage or the underground parking garage of a condo building is becoming clear.
@Mr_Mckinney_PRM_AIM
@Mr_Mckinney_PRM_AIM Жыл бұрын
To process lithium, they use an evaporation process and after a year they harvest the powder that looks like flour. Now, when it is all packaged up and water touches it, it reacts and expands, catches fire and doesn’t extinguish.
@mikebeats7448
@mikebeats7448 2 жыл бұрын
🔥Ok.. But: ..study conducted by AutoInsuranceEZ using data from the NTSB (National Transportation Safety Board) showed that electric cars in the US caught fire at a rate of 25.1 per 100,000 sales compared to 1,530 for ICE vehicles ? --> 1,530 vs 25.1 electric cars 🤯 EV fires, were mostly Chevy Bolts, but GM is fixing that
@kevinW826
@kevinW826 2 жыл бұрын
The rimac concept one EV that Richard Hammond crashed in Switzerland was still on fire days after he crashed it.
@ttp8973
@ttp8973 9 ай бұрын
Water is not the best fire extinguisher for lithium batteries. Lithium reacts intensely with water, forming lithium hydroxide and highly flammable hydrogen. Car manufacturers are racing to develop the next models while not being forced by regulators to encapsulate proper fire neutralizers into the battery's pack. It should be mandatory that lithium battery manufacturers wrap their batteries with chemicals to neutralize the chemical reaction such as powder graphite or sodium carbonate.
@user-he7hf6of3g
@user-he7hf6of3g 8 ай бұрын
I think electric vehicles should be required to have mechanical manual windows and doors to prevent people from getting trapped inside in the event of a fire. There is a recent story in the news of a man having to kick out the car windshield to escape a fire when the cars electric windows and doors failed to work during a fire. The new Tesla Cyber truck has glass that's near impossible to break in an emergency and should have a way for people to escape.
@yodaiam1000
@yodaiam1000 7 ай бұрын
It is mandatory for ALL cars to have this feature. Windows etc are also electrically driven in ICE cars.
@chang-kp9sp
@chang-kp9sp 2 жыл бұрын
To put out EV fire , need CO2 gas instead of water. or something that make temperatures down. example water tank big enough for EV.
@danielstapler4315
@danielstapler4315 2 жыл бұрын
The problem with Lithium ion battery fires is that the battery produces it's own Oxygen. The water tank is a good idea but CO2 isn't the answer.
@phillyphil1513
@phillyphil1513 2 жыл бұрын
and really (while i DO like it's simplicity) the water tank is unfortunately NOT a practical/viable solution in the context of PREVENTION. no, what it is a "half thought out" solution that only occurs AFTER THE FACT. yeah, "after" like 18 cars and 10 houses have burned to the ground. off the devastating "Blowtorch" Wildfire that occured back on 12-30-2021, i think you're going to find ALL the residents of Superior Colorado are going to have strong opinions on this. #PREVENTION
@davefroman4700
@davefroman4700 2 жыл бұрын
Wont work. The chemistry creates to own source of oxygen.
@iNick90
@iNick90 2 жыл бұрын
As an owner of an Eevee (gotta catch em all) I have no fear whatsoever about my car catching on fire. I got to experience a car fire with my gas car which I replaced with an EV! IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S TURN NOW (double Jeopardy does not happen right?)
@77Treasurehunter77
@77Treasurehunter77 2 жыл бұрын
Wrong...........such poor thinking!
@phillyphil1513
@phillyphil1513 2 жыл бұрын
Q: double Jeopardy does not happen right? A: correct from a standpoint of ODDS/PROBABILITY you're probably good. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gMmKe7Z43tXXZps.html
@samuelalley7331
@samuelalley7331 Жыл бұрын
I only feel no guilt about watching someone burn when it comes to the one who places their modern techno ego above the wrath of fire. People who act like it will never be them some how bring their downfall in life.
@rp9674
@rp9674 Жыл бұрын
Correct sir!
@cromwellco
@cromwellco Жыл бұрын
There is a car that is the least likely to catch fire and that is the reliable diesel powered car
@Mytwistedvoices
@Mytwistedvoices 7 ай бұрын
I see a lot of comments about EVs and fire. Thanks for making this video to get a summary of issue.
@dukelee3964
@dukelee3964 2 жыл бұрын
As opposed to gasoline engines, which never catch fire..
@mrnobody6609
@mrnobody6609 2 жыл бұрын
The odds are exactly 100% of electric vehicles will eventually catch fire through the wear and tear of daily driving, and like 0.2% of gasoline cars catch on fire, because something external set them on fire.
@dukelee3964
@dukelee3964 2 жыл бұрын
@@mrnobody6609 wow
@lisamcdonald7828
@lisamcdonald7828 2 жыл бұрын
Seems like they need to come up with an air robbing foam to better put them out. One of the problems with fire suppression foams is they tend to be extremely toxic for the environment. Its finding a safe one or safest as possible.
@billyponsonby
@billyponsonby 2 жыл бұрын
fire in an electric car battery is a chemical fire and does not require oxygen to burn
@ujjalshill6442
@ujjalshill6442 2 жыл бұрын
Why not ban cars entirely and make city's more sustainable and profitable by making them more dense and walkable it will reduce obesity and and other health issues and also battery cars are not good either they use tires and building them requires rare earth metals which causes pollution battery cars explode mixed housing is better
@poisonouslead85
@poisonouslead85 2 жыл бұрын
@@ujjalshill6442 why not ban cities?
@ujjalshill6442
@ujjalshill6442 2 жыл бұрын
@@poisonouslead85 yes
@ujjalshill6442
@ujjalshill6442 2 жыл бұрын
@@poisonouslead85 we should ban cities
@stevenmitchell7830
@stevenmitchell7830 7 ай бұрын
An EV in your garage is an unpredictable time bomb. Maybe it won't go off.
@fluxfaze
@fluxfaze 7 ай бұрын
EV battery industry must be held fully responsible for these engineering blunders.
@mobayguy
@mobayguy 2 жыл бұрын
Gasoline is extremely flammable - And there are approximately 276 million internal combustion automobiles on US roads today. Time, Experience, Innovation - EVs MUST eventually replace most of those vehicles.
@zxcvbnm3998
@zxcvbnm3998 2 жыл бұрын
Parked gasoline cars don't suddenly catch fire.
@DJTFan2024
@DJTFan2024 2 жыл бұрын
“EVs MUST eventually replace most of those vehicles.” No, they shouldn’t. The only use for an electric vehicle is to promote the liberal government’s climate alarmism scam.
@jamesau4296
@jamesau4296 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, Lithium is reactive in water, who really dare think to put out lithium fire by water??
@shanewilson2484
@shanewilson2484 2 жыл бұрын
Battery packs are around 4% lithium by weight. In a discharged pack very little of that 4% is flammable. In a fully charged pack most of it is. A much bigger factor is the organic electrolyte.
@cptnjck73
@cptnjck73 2 жыл бұрын
After reading some of these comments, I'll rest easy knowing that if my Chevy Volt goes up in smoke and takes me with it tonight, I'll be in a better place.
@gorillashop337
@gorillashop337 9 ай бұрын
I’m surprised fire departments aren’t using foam extinguishers 😮
@markfortin421
@markfortin421 2 жыл бұрын
This is the dawn of the EV. There are teething problems which need to be addressed. But what about when these vehicles start to age...say in 10 years or so. I have seen the price of a used Tesla plummet because the battery is shot, and replacing it requires a second mortgage. And what are the maintenance issues that owners need to follow over the years to keep their car healthy and minimize the chance of 🔥fire. I think I"ll stick to ICE's until I can get some answers.
@texanplayer7651
@texanplayer7651 2 жыл бұрын
An electric car battery can easily last more than 10 years, losing 15% max of its original capacity, if the car has been used daily to drive a whole 100 miles every day. But for a battery that can give 200 miles of autonomy, that is still 170 miles of autonomy left after 10 years of intensive usage. The battery isn't "shot" like you say, it's just people who make such a drama because they lost 30 miles of autonomy. The battery can still be used for another 10 years of intensive usage. Granted, this will further decrease the autonomy, but still. You are not going to tell me that a battery that can be used for 20 years is "shot". And the battery can be used even beyond those 20 years as a stationnary green energy storage system for another 20 or more years before becoming totally unusable.
@petertaylor3446
@petertaylor3446 2 жыл бұрын
Hydrogen is the future for vehicles
@texanplayer7651
@texanplayer7651 2 жыл бұрын
@@petertaylor3446 It's not
@petertaylor3446
@petertaylor3446 2 жыл бұрын
@@texanplayer7651 OK you're entitled to your opinion, so am i
@petertaylor3446
@petertaylor3446 2 жыл бұрын
@@texanplayer7651 not reliant on China for batteries, no raw materials drought for hydrogen no emission problems except water, not a bad thing, make your case and I might accept the finality of it's not
@MM-np4md
@MM-np4md 2 жыл бұрын
"Every single vehicle is different, even within a manufacturer" does this mean future regulation might include some kind of standardisation to designs?
@MM-np4md
@MM-np4md 2 жыл бұрын
@clot shots oh, I took different to mean there's not much interchangeability because of somewhat custom part designs
@MM-np4md
@MM-np4md 2 жыл бұрын
@clot shots well I assumed some regulatory body would set some kind of standards so that there is commonality if not within manufacturers then across the segment( not the government getting ok the drawing board and saying which exact shapes parts should be but that maybe they should at least have some kind of specified dimensions so that for example a tesla charger can be plugged into a rivian or something like that). But by the looks of things I'm a little ignorant here, no I have not heard of the yugo, will take your advice...
@mrnobody6609
@mrnobody6609 2 жыл бұрын
Electric vehicles are such a new thing that manufacturers are sharing all of their information and designs with each other, where they used to be extremely protective of those sorts of things. It's extremely strange, and I see it as a huge red flag.
@rp9674
@rp9674 Жыл бұрын
No, people say crazy stuff because they are fairly new & not understood
@traceylee5674
@traceylee5674 Жыл бұрын
The “Teslas on Fire compilation “ video brought me here!
@USACars-id3bf
@USACars-id3bf 6 ай бұрын
Lithium batteries are highly unstable and are known to spontaneously combust in to intense flames
@benjaminnead8557
@benjaminnead8557 2 жыл бұрын
Full disclosure: I've been driving an EV (Mitsubishi i-MiEV) for just over 6 years now and studying the technical aspects of these cars longer than that. I see lithium iron phosphate (LiFePO4, LFP, etc.) briefly mentioned at around six and a half minutes into this CNBC report and it probably should have been mentioned even sooner. This is mature yet currently underutilized battery cell technology that is far less fire prone than what's in most EVs today. The next wave of EVs in 2022 moving forward will prominently feature LFP cells, especially the upcoming standard range and more affordable Tesla models, as well as a host of EVs made in China. One Chinese company, BYD, makes an LFP cell called the Blade, which takes the form of a long, thin rectangle and is particularly safe when it comes to fire safety, even when punctured. The other asset of the Blade is that, like all LFP cells, it doesn't require scarce minerals that might also have human rights issues in mining. The only downside with LFP is that it's slightly less energy dense than ternary (ie: nickel/manganese/cobalt anode) formulations commonly used in EVs today. I hope the American, European, Japanese and Korean manufacturers pivot to LFP soon. All the various patents that previously prevented more widespread worldwide adoption of LFP are now expired and there should be no more excuses. LFP will work today, while the more energy dense and possibly even less fire prone solid state automotive traction batteries begin entering the marketplace in a few more years. Electric aviation will follow soon after.
@airgunningyup
@airgunningyup 2 жыл бұрын
dont spew youre logic on here, thats not the narraritive
@benjaminnead8557
@benjaminnead8557 2 жыл бұрын
@@airgunningyup Be forewarned, Earthling . . . kzfaq.info/get/bejne/q6umhZac3t7De4E.html
@dyingpentas
@dyingpentas 2 жыл бұрын
Problem is LFP works terribly in the winter so it won't work in northern countries
@benjaminnead8557
@benjaminnead8557 2 жыл бұрын
@@dyingpentas True that LFP is vulnerable in low temp operations. But battery packs in modern EVs have thermal management, certainly better that the little cooling fan inside my i-MiEV pack. Early Nissan Leafs had nothing at all and that was a problem for those cars a decade ago. Also . . . don't all you folks up near the Arctic Circle have 120V outlets all over the place to heat up engine blocks to prevent freezing? You already have the cold weather infrastructure.
@cobaltblue2756
@cobaltblue2756 2 жыл бұрын
I also heard it is ok to fully charge,or leave it empty the battery will just fine..
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