I've seen 4k grow. We aren't as massive as before, but we have a strong market if more niche

Vinyl Records are so incredibly niche still. Around 88% of people only stream music.

I don't think 4K streaming sucks (if you have a reasonable internet connection) but discs do offer better quality!

Every few years we get these profits saying that physical media is going to end and then we've had our best year. With the most 4K releases! 😄

@@StevenLeeKZfaq but the whole point is there's still a market. It's just become a collector's market.

Yes, this vid is BS

yea this guy is a nut case

Exactly. Other than Disney, everyone is embracing 4k

@@drunklink350 Disney is quite big when you factor in FOX. I think what the guy in the video is talking about is MAINSTREAM stuff. All of those boutique labels offer niche films for niche buyers. Most people have never heard of them.

Absolutely. Catalog titles are being released left and right. Even Disney are beginning to license their catalog to boutique labels with WALL-E receiving a Criterion release, and even they have launched their 4K releases in conjunction with their streaming platform. No, physical media is still here to stay

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I'm waiting to see what happens when streaming services decide they can't afford to lose billions of dollars a year anymore. The day is coming soon when streaming services will drastically raise prices and purge content to lower costs. It's already starting but is far from finished. When prices double and the content gets cut in half physical media will look more attractive again. In the mean time I'll gladly take advantage of the low prices on the secondary market for blu-rays and 4ks

Streamed media usually doesn't have surround sound, either. They also pay next to nothing to the actual creators of movies and TV shows (such as the actors and directors). If people keep choosing streaming services over physical media, there will be less movies and TV shows being made and those that are made will have much smaller budgets. Hopefully things have changed since the recent strike, but that's how it has been for years, apparently. Apparently Spotify is even worse.

Same as you, people are happy with crappy audio and video, until they come at my home 😆 The sad thing is they consume for movies / music and they get use to it.

Sound is pretty close now via an Apple TV box, it's almost lossless Atmos.

I could see people getting back into physical media once they realize that the streaming services are actually changing the movies and removing scenes. Also I think there has been instances where they've lost the rights the songs.

​​​@@stephaneswiatlowski7698 I'm going to throw my hat into the ring with you, however, i would differ to say that your average comsumer just doesn't know any better, and when shown, unless you held their hand through the whole process, from knowing their budget to understanding what may be the best fit with what, to the settings to setting-up of each component, it would be a thankless task through and through. So best just to let them figure it out or let them just be wanting something like you have.

@@StevenLeeKZfaq How is it though? It is Dolby Digital with like 700kbps bitrates. Same as the streamers.

Totally agree. I look around. I like Dollar general but almost all their movies somehow are still just basic DVD format.

Haha 😄 there's no buyers just big warehouses full of immovable objects. It's still in rapid decline wakey wakey ⏰️. It seems OK from a american standpoint because its all being centralised there but in Europe its a dead duck. I see blu rays and very very rarely uhd at carboot sales they simply don't sell at all. Nobody owns players here more people still have dvd players than blu ray. It's just never taken off its the rich boutique labeld who are keeping the dream alive. And the tat coming out of Spain at the moment nobody wants to buy. Its mostly legit but artwork is like tracing paper and thr cases are wafer thin and postage costs are ridiculous, even worse for Australians with disney pulling the plug.

@@Steven-gl4cw it's like that here... these people are just trying to convince themselves that it's not. Places like best buy just stopped selling them and even walmart has an even smaller blu-ray/4k section than 2 years ago.

BestBuy just announced they are going to stop selling discs in all their stores. Netflix DVD is gone, what will be next.

Well for the most part Netflix killed physical interest😅

Apple is worth 2 trillion, unlikely.

@@StevenLeeKZfaq That is true,, but not everyone has their movies with apple. Many have Vudu. It's not likely that these services will disappear, but it's not unheard of. Can we say, "ultraviolet."

@@StevenLeeKZfaq Large corporations have fallen in the past! Apple only has but so many products...

@@HardCold-Alquan they're worth two trillion, now with a hit streaming service which has won multiple awards. Not gonna happen.

I think the thing to be most concerned about is movies being altered or re-edited. We're seeing that happen with books, and if you rely on a streaming service for your movies, it can easily happen to your movies, and you won't be able to do a thing about it.

Lets check back when I do version 2 in a few years!

I agree that its the last physical format.

@@JilesMcCoy 4K is not going away anytime soon. Our eyeballs are at their limit in telling the difference between 4 and 8K unless your nose is pressed up against your tv screen. Sound quality is a different story the physical media is heads and shoulders above streaming unless you have unlimited bandwidth which everyone might have in 20 to 30 years. 55 years of collect ing so I do know a little about my favorite hobby.

That said, I generally agree with you about UHD blu-ray probably being the last physical format. Which is one the reasons I was disappointed they didn't included 3D as a spec on 4k Blu-ray. As a fan of 3D myself. It would have been nice if they had just thrown in everything and the kitchen sink into that format as a last hurrah and to end physical media with a bang. From a content producers perspective it makes sense to keep people tied into a constant revenue steam like streaming service. Better to have them paying $10-15 (or more) every month consistently than to have them buying one disc all willy nilly every so often, as I'm sure most people probably do compared to the die hard collectors who are dropping coin on multiple discs per month. Plus they can always pull content and change content and so on, because they keep control over it. For most consumers it's also good because it's a low enough monthly fee they can cancel and resubscribe to at any time and have access to thousands of movies and shows very conveniently. Where it sucks if for those in the other percentile who want to own their content and not be forced into having to rent it constantly every month, losing it all when they don't pay up. Who want to makes sure they have that specific version of the movie that will never change, or will never go away because the license to stream it ended for that service or something. As well as the people who like the physical packaging, who like to display it, flip through it, set up their own mock video stores in their basements, etc. For all of these folks, eventually it's only going to be older movies on older formats like UHD Blu-ray (as it becomes an old format) and not newer content releases.... maybe. I say maybe because we have seen the revival of vinyl records (probably) as a result of streaming audio being the new standard. So it's possible one of these video formats will hold on or come back in the future. Even if it's purely for the collectors, novelty, gift giving aspect, etc. It can't hurt to sell some on physical while also doing the bulk of your distribution in streaming. What format that would be, I don't know. But if I had to vote, I wold go standard Blu-ray. I just think it's the sweet spot for home media. There are plenty of players, the price to manufacture it about right, a good enough amount of existing content is out there (not as much as DVD but more than 4K Blu-ray), it has a nice HD picture and sound, and it offers novelties like 3D playback. I like HDR and 4K, but 4K isn't a killer feature for me and I can live without HDR as well and still enjoy the movie. If I end up watching the Blu-ray instead of the 4K Blu-ray I don't feel like I missed out they way I kind of do is I watch the DVD instead of the Blu-ray. But that's just me.

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​@@roxics Thank you, very well put together, there is also just one point i think you missed out on (not in a bad way because you nailed it). If you have seen over the last few years, such inoffencesive movies like Gone with the Wind or Catus Jack, have either been censored or removed from streaming and been informed that these movies won't be put on DVD anymore to licensed out, the reason being? because a 75 year old movie hurt the sensibilities of some twenty something y/o in present day, and i can assure you that these problems won't be going away albeit maybe getting worse. So this is why we must maintain by somehow keeping a untouched movie copy of many types of movie or music, because if a big oscar winner (when oscars mattered) like Gone with the Wind with zero sex or violence even one word of bad language can be wiped by the owners forever, because times were different 75 years ago, then nothing is safe.

@@deathproofbum0197 Yeah I kind mentioned it in passing when I said "Plus they can always pull content and change content and so on, because they keep control over it." I was thinking more like George Lucas changing Star Wars and things like that, but older films with controversial content may be pulled as well. As you said.

In early 90s they actually pulled an analog HD format called MUSE LD with compatible MUSE TVs, players and decoders can do 1125 line video but it was insanely expensive so another long line of short lived Japan only formats. I'd kill to see one in person, analog HD movies on discs in early 90s it was some wild crazy shit they achieved back then.

It depends some 4k movies don't look any better than 1080p blurays

@@justinbyrne5736 usually looks better if the 4k disc contains Dolby Vision and HDR

@@dannykl6883 I haven't been that impressed with HDR Seen 10, 4K blurays and picture quality was alright but nothing special on a OLED TV

@@justinbyrne5736 I’m running a LG oled inn my experience it depends on the movie and the look the director is going for, if it’s a sombre war movie with drab colour palette then yeah the effect is subtle but is still noticeable and an uptick in certain scenes. Bright, loud colourful films benefit the most I notice it most on lights, lamps .. Sci fi or Godzilla you notice it on laser blasts I watched monster hunter the other day the bleached out sand dunes had a glow to them and looked awesome. Not sure what picture mode you are using but on LG Dolby Vision Cinena home looks brighter with more pop than Cinema User

It's simply not true.

I agree.

@Mike P I think I do. It’s not a dedicated room (I wish!) but it’s a 5.1.4 system with a Monoprice 9 channel amplifier. Whenever you are able or willing to upgrade, you will see a marked difference. It’s a “holy shit” moment.

How are you showing them the streaming version? Apple TV box offers almost lossless Atmos.

@Mike P I read an article online from a professional calibrator who said Apple's is the best available via streaming and near lossless. It's Dolby Atmos LPCM Multi-channel.

@Mike P All I know is LPCM is better than DD+ as it's near lossless. It is multi-channel LPCM as that's what the receiver reads. In order to get this you need to plug the Apple box directly into the soundbar or receiver, via HDMI cable. If you play streaming via TV apps, then yes you'll only get DD+, unless your TV has eARC, in which case you can plug the Apple box into your TV, with a HDMI cable, and run a HDMI cable from eARC on the TV to the soundbar / receiver. They did tests and people can't tell the difference between disc and the Apple TV box.

The best comparison is HBO Max version of “Jaws” and the restored version on 4K disc. They look and sound like completely different movies. The physical media version feels like it could’ve been filmed yesterday. My sibling was a denier that physical media was better until I played them side by side.

Amazon and others have had "Pay per view" options forever. It's not going to replace streaming because streaming is already too profitable. Hence so many recent competitors that entered the market. "Best" quality is subjective. People assume higher resolution is better because it's easy to market. Higher numbers must be better, right? (Even though 4K itself is entirely a lie and a marketing invention. It's really 2160p). There are many cases where I prefer older SD versions to HD. Some things look better the way they were originally filmed because that's how they were intended to be seen. The same way old black and white tv would look very odd if people today colorized old episodes.

Nonsense. For starters, renting digital movies has been available since a very long time. Secondly, you seem to be confusing streaming services like Netflix, Peacock, Disney+ with digital movie platforms like iTunes or Google Play. The latter give you an ability to buy a movie. You might say it's worse than a disc because it's on the internet all the time - and that's only aspect of it, and the complete picture is way more complicated than that. Moreover, you seem to be sure that the cost of bandwidth is increasing - that is just not something that is happening, internet is only getting faster and more affordable. That said, I also believe that physical media will rule again. I think there will be a new format, better than the 4K disc, to provide the ultimate quality. That's a future I foresee for the medium.

I once did a quick check on a streaming meta-crawler. Of my 100 Blu Rays, 70 were available on not a single service, 10 on Netflix, even less on the other platforms, for the 30 that were available you had to be member of 5 different platforms. We now do a 25€ Netflix gift card twice a year to catch up with some series, but for movies we only do Blu Ray, and Pirate Bay again, as there is still stuff that nobody sells nor streams in the EU. Now duty free imports are history, I quit buying Blu Rays in the US. Not funny if the shipping, tax and fees triple the price.

DVD is a ten thousand times more successful format than 4K Blu-Ray. It's not just that it's being produced today, it also represents the largest section of physical media in terms of sales. With the latter being around for almost ten years now, its difficult to believe that at some point it could de-throne DVD as the king of the media (would have already happened by now). And with Best Buy pulling the plug on all physical media next year, such scenario seems especially impossible.

Bro, Back in the day SO MANY people used the PS2 for a DVD player because it was the same price or cheaper in cases. I'm using my PS5 as a 4k player now. I still use blue rays and buy them in bulk. At under $2 a piece I have the option to see so much and own it afterwards as well.

How long do you think before its in the territory of albums/records?

@@JilesMcCoy I think it's already on its way and will be stable for the foreseeable future. In fact I only see this hobby/area growing. For all those folks turning in or selling their old or newer media collection, there is a batch of folks right behind them buying them for a fraction of the cost and amassing their own collection. I think like the vinyl resurgence once all these streaming service become a pain or nuance and as convenient as music or movie services can be to most, owning physical media will always be around for a very long time in my opinion.

​@@JilesMcCoy A long time. Bear in mind with the PS5 and XBOX that is the first time the masses have had a 4K player. Many people are only just moving to 4K TV's as their 1080p TV dies. Price is always the deciding factor, as the price drops adoption increases.

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Physical is not forever, especially with VHS tapes. I suppose if you never watch a tape then it will last forever.

​@@youtuberyoutuber2495 a printed dvd will outlive you. probably your kids to.

This guy does not even understand the laser disc was better than the VHS and I've heard the format had really good audio. He also thought that DVD wasn't much of a leap even though the picture quality was a lot better even though it was 720p. Plus you got to remember all those special features. Now Blu-ray/4K is quote unquote HD but that was only started at 1080p which isn't a huge leap from DVD but you can see a difference. Especially if it's an old transfer on DVD. Sometimes new transfers on DVD look close to Blu-rays, it just might not be as clear. Of Course 4K is a big leap when it comes to high dynamic range and even more clarity. But the other thing to consider is the advances in audio. We went from surround sound. To 5.1- five speakers and a base. To 7.1- seven speakers and a base. And now Atmos/9.1(2) which is nine speakers and a base or 2. And that includes High channels so you can hear things overhead. I guess the issue is that most people don't have two or three thousand dollars to spend. Although my TV is supposed to do virtual Atmos surround.

@@MentalDeviant I'm just laugh at him saying Laserdisc was 480p we're used to different standard back then in the analog world it was "lines" resolution back then And yes Laserdisc was well ahead of its time took like another 20 years until they got to DVD with slightly better quality but even that were suffered by macro blocking and highly compressed audio. With Laserdisc it was zero compression smoother filmic motion and great punchy audio they even managed to pushed full DTS surround, AC-3 and Digital Red Book Audio on it later on and even videophile only MUSE LD analog HD which predates Blu-ray like 13 years. It was far superior to VHS quality wise.

I'm a big fan of getting older 80's and early 90's cartoons, anime etc on VHS & DVD(when paired with a CRT tube TV), but in 1080p and 4K? Nah. In all honestly, the higher resolution just makes these cartoons look less organic and alive, rougher and ultimately cheapen the experience the vast majority of the time. The lower resolution of a CRT Tube TV, softer noisier image, and smaller CRT sized screen does wonders for older cartoons, anime and horror movies. I don't need to see every single little pore, hair strand, make up(etc), plus it just makes flaws in order films look that much more noticeable and set pieces start to look like set pieces. Certain series and movies already look sharp enough on Netflix(Cobra Kai, Wedesday), my only real gripe is the downgraded Audio. That's the only thing i miss about discs as it's quite detrimental to the overall experience. So many people downplay the importance of audio, yet it's every bit as important as picture quality.

@@IcarusKid84 Same many so called "bad" "degraded" transfers on VHS Laserdisc and even Video CD have that warmth and smoothness qualities I liked they're not technically better but aesthetically pleasing and easier to my eyes than many Blu-ray 2K transfer that just looks cold and too clean and sharp.

@@barebarekun161 The big resolution leap with 1080p & 4K resolution can strip away that movie magic at times, and exposes flaws in make up, or often makes things look less believable or cheapened that normally wouldn't be on DVD and especially VHS. That soft fuzzy low resolution VHS veil backed up by the perfect motion quality(zero motion blur) of CRT TV tech was a match made in heaven. ;) DVD's were also fantastic too! Once things went HD, and CRT met it's demise and replaced with crappy LCD technology i just couldn't get on board. Not even plasma could match the motion quality of a tube TV, although it was the next best thing. But ya, the last movie I watched in UHD was Batman Returns and i absolutely hated how crystal clear it looked on my 4K 65" LG C1 OLED TV. Set pieces started to look like set pieces, I could make out the imperfections in The penguins make up. it didn't feel or look like a movie. If it supported a high frame rate and stereoscopic 3D it would of felt like peeking through a window on a movie set. XD

Agree, the physical buyer is not the same person as the streamer. There is some overlap but the pure streamer was never going to buy physical.

Actually you can still buy laser discs from Japan.

@@richardkUK8764AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH. No way. Arnt we still at war with them? 😗🙃

Laserdsic best format for collectors it really was THE format made for videophiles we have no such thing nowadays.

@@barebarekun161 You can still get them from Japan.

@@richardkUK8764 I know, I used to collect them years ago, they're dirt cheap to buy. The problem is its getting harder to find working players and less and less people know how to repair them.

Kaleiidescape would kill all other formats if it was 1/10 of it's current price. Super expensive and looks like it will stay that way.

@@Mr.HotRod I think the majority have digital collections on I-Tunes, so I doubt they'd switch to Kaleiidescape. Apple is worth 2 trillion so that's your safe bet for digital buying.

When the hardware price drops it will be a really big player.

Kaleidoscope sounds like it's more for rich people. It would definitely need to go down and price and storage size for the average person would have to increase 100 fold and would have to be reasonably priced. Also I think the storage should be inside the TV or in a storage unit that hooks up the TV because most of you are not going to want to watch their movies from their desktop computer. It's got to be easy for mainstream people to adopt it.

@@Mr.HotRod Nah. it is not even with the convenience people would get if they could. That old Tivo worked at the time because it got rid of tapes and rewinding. Once it came with cable and internet boxes - no one needed it anymore. I have a large disc collection for the titles that I love or titles that I like and wanted to see at the best quality, but I still have many hard drives full of 'streamed' videos that are either not worth buying or are unavailable to buy in HD.

I've never had a problem. The only time I even scratched a disc was when I dropped one and it slip under the sofa on a hardwood floor. It still played.

I am not wasting money on 4k disc. I think regular bluray is the sweet spot. My Samsung TV does an excellent job upscaling 1080p content to near 4k.

I agree that streaming is a poor substitute for a 4K disc today quality wise.

I can get on board with that. It will be the lower qualify physical format that elicits a feeling of nostalgia for folks.

I have often wondered why the lower quality editions are included too.

DVDs were included with Blu-ray and Blu-ray included with 4K UHD because the authoring of lower quality extras etc on the lower quality disc is far cheaper. Sometimes the lower quality disc is released as a stand alone item although that seems to be happening less now.

@@trevorbartram5473 myself, and I think most others, just want the feature film at the highest resolution at the cheapest price. That maybe the reason given by the manufacturer, but I think it’s BS.

It's to try to get sales of those who currently only have a bluray player but may get a UHD player sometime. But I agree with you, I don't need the lesser formats and would rather just have the UHD disc if it means the product is less expensive.

Will the next gen consoles even have a disc option? I am guessing no. My prediction is that all the consoles are disc free but there will be a usb add on for those that need to install from disc media. But it won’t be intended for video playback.

It seems most or just about all the studios already have the equipment and teams experience in place making any regular or higher dvds they want so I believe they are going to use them. They might even have contracts with the physical media makers, so they are legally bound until their contracts run out. I think if they are still making bling on hard dvd copies and streaming there not going away anytime soon.

And here lies one of the stumbling blocks. Sony has some serious issues on their 4k uhd players regarding triple layer discs. I have Panasonic player myself and a collection of over 300 4k discs and while I have not watched them all yet, I haven't had a single issue with discs.

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The audio is definitely worse with streaming, there's no doubt about it. But picture quality? I guess it's all over the map. But take a look at how beautiful and crystal clear series like Wednesday and Cobra Kai look on Netflix. I don't NEED either to be any clearer than they already are. There's zero benefit in my eyes. Heck, I actually prefer the lower resolution of DVD's and even VHS(when viewed on a CRT TV) for most older movies. When a movie becomes too high res i feel like it looks less cinematic, it loses that movie magic and becomes far less believable and surreal. That crackling vintage low resolution noisy image for older movies like exorcist(etc etc) when displayed on older CRT Tv's is the ultimate way to watch older horror movies. 1080p & especially 4K just tarnish the experience. I recently watched Batman returns in 4K and it was an awful experience, especially in HDR. I could see Danny Davito's make up imperfections, pores, set pieces looked more like actual set pieces etc. watching the 1080p version in SDR by comparison was miles better, and felt and looked more like an actual movie.

The highest quality way to watch a movie at home is Kalediescape. But 4K disc is a close 2nd.

I personally think 4K is the best we’re gonna get format-wise. Next step is 8K, but when you consider so many modern movies are shot and finished in a 2k digital intermediary, and CGI really only be mastered and rendered at a 2k, a jump to 8K seems unnecessary. Most films that can make actual use out of that resolution are films that were filmed on actual film that can have their original negatives scanned.

@@JilesMcCoy Nope! Kaleidoscope relies on DISCS files! You are wasting your money with that just so that you won't have to get up to change discs! I don't want to overpay for something and I don't want to experience the inevitable hard drive failure!

It would look nice!

My guess is if something like this happens the blu-ray might end up as the last format standing.

@@JilesMcCoy Honestly at this point, just go all in on 4K disc. When every modern console plays the format, and when you can affordably buy them in stores...audiences WILL buy it if it is the only thing on shelves. The biggest problem is trying to cling onto each prior format because they are worried about 'losing people in the migration' "Oh, don't abandon DVD they still sell well" yeah because you are providing people the cheapest disc option. If you took that option away, you would see MOST of those purchases migrate to Blu Ray or 4K. Same thing if you eliminated Blu Ray. I understand the risk, but imagine the savings if studios and companies didn't have to put films out on multiple formats. Just 4K disc, and that's all. Everything would be so much neater. People don't want the market confusion over which disc they are buying. If they all chose to rally behind the BEST option, which is 4K, you would see it become a stronger foundation of the home market.

@@creategreatness8823 But people won't buy into it, it means buying a player and discs, when they can stream for free or very little. DVD still outsells Blu Ray and UHD and so they won't get rid of it. They should but they won't.

Make sure not to damage the disc!

Awesome@!

You can, it's already comparable, professional calibrators on KZfaq have proven it. You need an Apple TV box though, not TV apps.

Kaleidescape is the higher quality alternative to 4K disc.

​​​​​@@ResinBabes Have you checked out zappiti product page like the dv series? There 4k players support all the 4k standards and for audio they are using a 32 bit ess dac for the audio. It does not say if there products support sacd, thx or dsd for audio, but there products support all the 4k standards with dolby atmos. I just use a sony 4k blu ray player since the oppo udp-205 hi res 4k audiophile blu ray player was discontinued, the oppo blu ray player supports mqa even though I'm not a fan of mqa at all that tidal uses. I don't stream my music. For my audio, I use a pair of yamaha hs50m studio monitors connected to my schiit hel 2 dac amp with all the audio settings set to flat and my samsung curve 4k qled tv with the tv audio output set to pcm, whenever I feel like connecting my wired headphones on the front of my dac amp, I use a pair of sennheiser hd 600. I got the yamaha studio monitors because I don't have alot of space for larger studio monitors with getting tube amplifiers since I really don't want studio monitors that have dsp in them. I prefer the sound of analog warmth like tube amps and vinyl that analog provides compared to anything digital.

No I don't. If anything I think it is having a resurgence. Too many streaming services combined with growing censorship and constant rights swapping hands is bringing people back to physical media. Kaleidescape is too expensive and storage space is and will continue to be the problem with that format. Those of us that want the digital backup do plex or the equivalent.

No.

No obviously not. Wanker streamers want it that way though.🤬

No, steaming sound sucks. Too much woke censorship. People Woll buy discs. Kaleidoscape is crazy expensive.

I have to say I am a bit of the same plus every time they change formats we wind up losing movies. There's also the fact that all the 4K TVs are massive and I have no place to put one if I got the one than if you don't have that there is no point in buying the player.

@@stephennootens916 I live in a small house and don't want a honkin' big TV either. (My wife would not be happy with me if I got one.) I still like my 32" Panasonic just fine and blu ray players can be had all day long for cheap.

@@d.r.martin6301 I know how it is. It seems like the last fifteen years people started to assume everyone had a big ass jumbotron in their living room.

Then you had to buy a 4k player also?

@Pete391 I did and it plays Dolby Vision to match the TV

The video creator understands that.

I agree on the niche.

@@mikep3835 they are all on one service... its called cable lol. Serious though... blu ray just recently really became mainstream now that its dirt cheap... but its still competing with streaming and digital. 4k isn't even in its prime yet. Its still too expensive for mainstream. One day, it wont be. Its FAR from dead though.

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That's true, the studios have already said they won't be releasing 8K home media.

8k TVs are alresdy a failed project... They've gone the same way as the 3D TV.

​@Ben Pascall is 100 percent correct. Look at the sales for 8K tvs.... it's practically non existent. 4K is just about the best the human eye can see

I think that 8K discs are a step to far, i've heard that the eye cannot perceive any more clarity than 1080P apprantly, so any more money spent may be just a waste. Saying that i've still invested in quite a few 4K disc's, but i'm still happy to do it, if as one person mention's on here that it's true that 4K disc's are the end of the line, even if i wanted to i won't be spending any of my money on 8K disc's.

8K is a pipe dream for film content. Most of the stuff produced in the last 20 years was finished with a 2K digital intermediate meaning there’s nothing they can do other than upscale and take advantage of the DCI colorspace which UHD-Blu does. Newer stuff being finished at 4K is just starting to become normal. I don’t see a push for 8K other than maybe trying to archive classics that have film negatives available for the future. I don’t see it having a physical format or being supported on streaming other than in name only like 4K. One can say the container is 4K/8K but it will still be compressed to hell based on the streaming bandwidth.

I love the quality too!

The history shows that no matter what else is going on we are approaching the end of a typical technology cycle. This is when you would expect to see something new… but my bet is that we won’t.

​@Jiles McCoy For the vast majority of people 4K is the absolute pinnacle of picture resolution so it makes no sense coming out with 8K Blu Rays because 90% of people don't have the room for 98" TVs so won't be able to discern the difference from 4K. If you account for inflation 4K Blu Rays are actually cheaper than what dvds cost when it was the top quality format.

Not compared to DVD.

Yet

@@JilesMcCoy Nope.

@@KleWdSide It’s coming. Just a matter of time.

@@JilesMcCoy If you say so. Shave your head btw.

@@KleWdSide Yes and absolutely not.

That’s a tough one!

I wonder why streaming revenue keeps going up but physical media revenue is going down?

@@JilesMcCoy Because people care about convenience over quality. Why are there so many McDonalds?

@@norwegianblue2017 Because when I have a "Big Mac Attack" I have a Big Mac Attack. That's why 🙃

When you can get any song you want for 4.99 a month, why would you pay crazy money for a physical music collection? If we could go back to the 80's and show people Alexa they would be amazed! They would think people very odd for listening to records still. It's a jukebox that's tiny that you can operate with your voice!

@@StevenLeeKZfaq I have music that is actually not available on streaming services and the quality of streaming music is not comparable to a CD or a CD ripped to FLAC format when listened to on a higher end audio setup. (Vinyl records are a whole other story, and there are reasons people choose that over streaming any kind of digital.)That said, I do use Spotify Premium for listening to music on the go via Bluetooth or crappy PC speakers.

I collect books.. I totally get that!

Yeah, saying physical media is dead just because of streaming is like saying people won't go to the theatre because they can listen to MP3s. @@JilesMcCoy

His comment tracks with mine. The clock is ticking: “It’s already clear to us that the content exclusivity that we felt would be so valuable in growing subscribers was not as valuable as we thought,” Iger said. “While eventually everything will migrate to streaming. We’re not there yet.” --Bob Iger

​@@JilesMcCoy They will follow the money. If people keep buying they'll keep selling. As I understand it they've realised it's not either or, multiple revenue streams is the future. You can force lovers of physical to watch streaming but they won't be spending like they will for nice collectable items. Sell in whatever format people will buy 😉

Kaleidescape is definitively better than 4K disc from a quality point of view. That isn’t a debatable topic. The fate of the different technologies though… that’s a good question!

@@JilesMcCoy I think the sound quality is much better on 4K disc than the Kaleidescape. Go ahead and compare the sound quality. Most 4K disc content has better sound.

@@David25522 I have only a few 4K discs and a high end Panasonic 9000u player. I do not nor ever have seen or heard Kaleidescape in action, but the compression numbers don't lie. Kaleidescape according to the Video and Audio experts is vastly superior and it should be because the price of owning and using the system is HUGE.

You are probably doing it the right way.

Its on the way to the collector niche like vinyl. It will stick around, just not in mass market. It never really made it to mass market.

Thanks for watching and your thoughts!

Someone will.... but I am confident it wont be physical disc. I'd guess its a more affordable download service storing to high capacity SSD.

There is something to that. Thats why I buy on Kaleidescape only.