Why the 8-String Floyd Rose Guitar DESERVES a Roast!

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Let's dive into why this guitar is a true nightmare to tune, set up, and play. From its unwieldy weight to the sheer frustration of dealing with the Floyd Rose tremolo, this is one guitar that deserves a good roasting. Join me as I take on Javier Reyes' signature model LTD JRV-8FR and uncover the challenges it presents. Javier one of Animals As Leaders' guitarists.
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@CalanReichel Ай бұрын

FR takes 15 minutes to set up with practice, I routinely do it with my 7's. (there are some excellent videos with tricks to setups on FR) That said, I would bet most people who purchase this would be blocking within a week of owning 😂

@mr.sorenzo Ай бұрын

@@CalanReichel you’re right on the money with the blocking within a week 😂 🤝🏼

@mrtickles5982 Ай бұрын

If you feel the need for a floyd rose: floyd rose isn't a problem. If you feel the need for 8 strings: 8 strings isn't a problem. I don't see an issue here. Setting up or simple routine maintenance isn't complicated with a floyd rose. It's like learning to ride a bike.

@mr.sorenzo Ай бұрын

@@mrtickles5982 slow computers aren’t complicated to operate and maintain. Just like learning to ride a bike. However it still doesn’t make slow computers user friendly which was the point of the video. Acknowledging that obviously the more skilled a person is, the better they can operate any tool/instrument etc. This is more about the tool and not the person. You’re 100% right about “feel the need for floyd= floyd isn’t a problem”. Thanks for genuinely challenging the ideas in the video, and I mean it.

@mrtickles5982 Ай бұрын

@@mr.sorenzo A healthy argument is refreshing. Respect dude!

@mr.sorenzo Ай бұрын

@@mrtickles5982 Firm handshakes 🤝🏼 keep rocking🎸

@SnowBlnd12 29 күн бұрын

the divebombs on that thing

@mr.sorenzo 29 күн бұрын

@@SnowBlnd12 I hear you on that. Tbh I’m more keen to hear harmonics on that 8 string tuned down a step. Which you don’t need a floating bridge for

@Lomni Ай бұрын

If you cannot setup and tune a floyd, it's quite frankly a skill issue. 2 extra strings should pose no problem.

@mr.sorenzo Ай бұрын

@@LomniIt’s not the ability to do it or not. It’s about the ease of use and being user friendly. Anyone can work with a super slow computer. Doesn’t make it user friendly. But I’m glad you’re so freaking skilled that you can setup a $20 piece of metal in seconds. Keep telling others how under-skilled they are

@warhead5043 Ай бұрын

@@mr.sorenzo It's definitely a skill issue, but not one to be upset about at least, not everything comes immediately. 🤷‍♂🤷‍♂🤷‍♂

@mr.sorenzo Ай бұрын

@@warhead5043 slow computer is a skill issue? Inefficient equipment are skill issues? smart!

@josuastangl7140 Ай бұрын

@@mr.sorenzoThat comparison is misrepresenting the FR. A slow computer is just bad, a FR has pros and cons and at the end of the day comes down to personal preference (even if the pros outweigh the cons only for a minority of players).

@mr.sorenzo Ай бұрын

@@josuastangl7140 maybe I’m not explaining it well. Let me put it this way: The point I’m trying to make is about the tool, not the person. More skill= operating any tool/instrument better. But talking about the skill doesn’t tell you much about the tool. This is a video discussing the tool, not the person using it.

@operaticandroid459 Ай бұрын

I have that model and honestly yes it's my ideal 8 string :D Since my first 8 string was the well known m80m from Ibanez and because of it's bridge shape my hand always seeks a floyd shaped bridge on extended range guitars and it's not getting out of tune easily if you love 09 sets :P BUT like the %90 of the FR loaded guitars and + it's an 8 string I can say it's not a user friendly guitar. I said it's not getting out of tune easily because I'm not making 6 or 7 dive bombs with fr when I'm playing with it and I play usually clean stuff with this guitar like wide chords or some like 8 finger tapping for playing the pieces I transposed from the piano. Long story short If you are not going to use this guitar for things that are close to the playing of Javier, you will definitely not be happy and yes, it flexes very hard among friends 😂

@mr.sorenzo Ай бұрын

@@operaticandroid459 Hats off to you for sharing your experience and doing it impartially brother! Firm handshakes and keep rockin🎸🤝🏼 On the flex side…yeah I think you deserve the ability to flex, going through all the trouble 😂well deserved

@kiironoise Ай бұрын

I play a 9-String Guitar with a Floyd Rose -Type Whammy. Never had a real problem. Sure, adjusting the intonation is a bit tricky, but that is something i don't have to do very often (always using the same string gauge). And why? Because for me a guitar is not complete without a Whammy bar. Like a car with three wheels or a cookie without chocolate. 🙂 And nine strings are better than 8....

@mr.sorenzo Ай бұрын

@@kiironoise love it that you know what you want and you’re doing it, my guy. What’s the brand and model btw? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 9 string with a floating bridge

@gertropenus 29 күн бұрын

@@mr.sorenzo The brand of the Guitar is "Agile". I don't think that model is in Producrtion any more. Vibrato is a Kahler. Lowest string tuned to Csharp. (Lower than a 4-string-bass hihi). It was quite affordable at the time:

@GuitarGuy4647 15 күн бұрын

@@gertropenusKahlers are very different than Floyd Roses. The former uses a cam and the latter utilizes a knife edge.

@gertropenus 14 күн бұрын

You are absolutely right, I only wanted to make the point that there are people who want guitars with more than 7 Strings and a locking vibrato. I would love one with a sustainer pickup as well 😁

@GuitarGuy4647 14 күн бұрын

@@gertropenus keep in mind that there’s currently no multiscale locking nuts available. The multiscale Kahlers are only single locking.

@MooseWilliams 28 күн бұрын

8 string tremolos are more stable than 6 string tremolos therefore making them easier to tune

@mr.sorenzo 28 күн бұрын

@@MooseWilliams are they actually? Why? What causes the additional stability?

@MooseWilliams 27 күн бұрын

@@mr.sorenzo the additional tension. You’ll find that 7 and 8 string guitars with locking tremolo systems will actually hold tune better over time also. As an example, if you cut 3 of the 6 strings off on a regular guitar with a floating bridge, tuning one string will more drastically raise or lower the tuning of the corresponding strings due to the lack of tensional support from the missing strings that provide ample tension from the springs attached the the claw in the cavity on the back of the guitar. I have 6, 7 and 8 string guitars which are all equipped with floating bridges and the 8 string is the easiest to tune from unstrung and remains in perfect pitch the longest. Bizarre I know, but it’s actually true and it surprised me quite a lot as I was anxious about this when I was ordering my 8 string guitar. I hope this is easy to understand :)

@mr.sorenzo 27 күн бұрын

@@MooseWilliams thanks heaps for taking the time to share this. Firm handshakes 🤝🏼

@MooseWilliams 27 күн бұрын

@@mr.sorenzo all g brother ❤️

@shredgordon3240 29 күн бұрын

In all honestly that strat bodied 8 string probably weighs quite a bit less than that prs 7 you have. I have one of those, and my 8 string weighs probably around 2/3rds or less of what it does.

@mr.sorenzo 29 күн бұрын

@@shredgordon3240 could be if it has light weight wood it in, compared with PRS mahogany. But I doubt it. Do you have its specific weight?

@shredgordon3240 29 күн бұрын

@mr.sorenzo about 5 and a half lbs, although it is headless. Add a headstock and it would be closer to 6. Adding more strings usually doesn't add that much weight, the thick body prs double cuts like the mark holcomb and swamp ash are just super heavy. The strat style 8 shouldn't weight that much more than a normal strat with a Floyd installed.

@mr.sorenzo 29 күн бұрын

@@shredgordon3240 ok, I did more digging. The LTD JRV 8 is about 9.5lbs (I said 10 on the vid). The body is Adler (30lbs per cubic foot). PRS Holcomb SVN is (7.5lbs). Made with mahogany (36lbs per cubic meter). I don’t know about your headless 8 string (is it a boden 8?). But it still seems to me that the weight difference for these two is palpable (27%). Specially for longer training sessions. Thoughts?

@shredgordon3240 29 күн бұрын

@mr.sorenzo yeah, its a boden standard. One thing to note with prs se's is that the weight can deviate by a few pounds, I believe mine is closer to 9 lbs.

@mr.sorenzo 29 күн бұрын

@@shredgordon3240 fair enough. Btw I’ve been thinking about a Boden 8 for a while! How is the neck design? What’s your experience with that curvature on the neck? Is it easier to play?

@MKDumas1981 Ай бұрын

Floyd Roast.

@mr.sorenzo Ай бұрын

@@MKDumas1981 😂 quote of the day! Floyd Roast is the perfect name for the mental grill that players have to go through for this😂😂

@MadJackChurchill1312 29 күн бұрын

When are the goddamn single coils coming out by themselves ffs?

@mr.sorenzo 29 күн бұрын

@@MadJackChurchill1312 are they that good?

@bassgoul 28 күн бұрын

i have two 8 strings with floyds, they are no different than 6/7 strings with them. some alternative points on why one might say floyds ARE user friendly: 1. tune once and not really have to tune again until you want a different tuning 2. you can keep strings on basically forever... i change strings very rarely, keeping them on for years. if you break a string near the bridge (almost always where strings break), you can unlock the nut and pull more string down (extra windings at tuning peg allows for this many times over) then re-clamp into bridge. I have done this during shows and it can be completed in just a few minutes. 3. locking nuts are the best nuts for electric guitars. they take all string gauges without having to be filed/adjusted, do not go out of tune when locked and also hold tune very well unlocked since hardened steel is quite slick and there is no binding spots. 4. blocking a floyd rose is not hard to do and there are many ways to do it, some very temporary or even permanently if you like. once blocked, it's a very good fixed bridge. obviously I'm a fan, but these are some points a lot of people don't seem to consider that are actually more convenient than a fixed bridge. what you gain in some aspects you lose in others, so at the very least floyds are on par with any other bridge (or in my case, it's the best bridge ever invented) so to summarize, if anyone likes 8 strings and likes floyds do NOT be afraid of this guitar it will behave like any other guitar with a floyd

@jruedew 28 күн бұрын

No it’s not the most user friendly guitar at all - however, the only person who actually want this p.o.s would know exactly what they are in for.

@zynosgd9982 29 күн бұрын

I would LOVE this guitar, because yes; it is my ideal 8 string. However, I will not pay that price for that guitar.

@mr.sorenzo 29 күн бұрын

@@zynosgd9982 Say you have $2300 in bank. why not pay $2300 for your IDEAL guitar? Seem pretty reasonable to me if this is actually your ideal. Not like you’re paying the same amount that is paid for a PRS Core Custom 24

@zynosgd9982 29 күн бұрын

@@mr.sorenzo yeah that's the thing, for that price I can get a fully custom guitar from a local luthier. I'm not above playing indonesian guitars, most of my guitars are indonesian and they fucking rock, but for the same price I'll always try to buy local / custom instead.

@mr.sorenzo 29 күн бұрын

@@zynosgd9982 I can respect that. Hats off!

@swancrunch 29 күн бұрын

ez. if you're afraid of tuning a floyd - don't buy a floyd-equipped guitar. tuning an 8 string floyd is not much of a bigger hassle than tuning a 6 string floyd if you now what you're doing. if you don't - welp, it's naybe it's not for you. what infuriates me most - is people buying floyds and then bitching about them.

@mr.sorenzo 29 күн бұрын

@@swancrunch don’t get infuriated over guitar talk. We are here to chat, get silly and have a good time. Kinda defeats the purpose of guitar related stuff which is to have a good time. If you can’t not get infuriated, don’t bring that negativity to this channel. And tuning an 8 string with floyd IS a bit of bigger hassle than tuning a 6 string. Simply because 8>6

@swancrunch 29 күн бұрын

@@mr.sorenzo i didn't say it is not bigger hassle at all, i said it is _not much of_ bigger hassle.

@mr.sorenzo 29 күн бұрын

@@swancrunch that’s fair enough. And at least we are now discussing things in absence of any infuriations. I like where this is going 🤠