WHY THE CAMBER?!? | Drift Alignments Explained

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@the80h
@the80h 7 жыл бұрын
Holy shit a car video with someone who knows what they are talking about!
@shaun6437
@shaun6437 7 жыл бұрын
"The tires are only safely rated to like 50 psi, but you can just go ahead and ignore that" Tip top advice #pro
@literallyanythingelseother
@literallyanythingelseother 7 жыл бұрын
I mean he's not wrong... Same goes bikes too...
@shaun6437
@shaun6437 7 жыл бұрын
I know, I just thought it was kinda funny. I used to (kinda) ride bikes. I think I always put mine at like 70ish. I think they're rated to 65. I know such a rebel.
@dan_lazaro
@dan_lazaro 7 жыл бұрын
+First name Last name for road tyres 600c wheels like mine generally are rated at 65 psi max... then 700c are rated at 120psi
@dan_lazaro
@dan_lazaro 7 жыл бұрын
+First name Last name for mountain bikes, 26ers are rated at 45 psi and 29ers are rated 65 psi
@cmendoza1094
@cmendoza1094 7 жыл бұрын
Edgy
@ForTheLoveOfDriving
@ForTheLoveOfDriving 7 жыл бұрын
now I can tune my cars better in forza
@thedriftking2jz808
@thedriftking2jz808 7 жыл бұрын
thats pritty much how i set mine up
@sparx0414
@sparx0414 7 жыл бұрын
Forza FTW
@MrRodillo123
@MrRodillo123 7 жыл бұрын
Devonte Mitchell lmfaooo exactly what ive been doing and it does work lol
@driftingbrandonc.6480
@driftingbrandonc.6480 7 жыл бұрын
-5 max camber in forza so gl. #RfactorFTW
@yasuke1075
@yasuke1075 7 жыл бұрын
Brandon C yea bro
@blackstormfire
@blackstormfire 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks now im ready to drift in my Fiat Panda.
@bloodfoxtriberc
@bloodfoxtriberc 5 жыл бұрын
@Biggus Dickus pvc rings in the back, slow motion sliding^^
@veryfast
@veryfast 7 жыл бұрын
Can I just say thank you for making these videos? I've been watching your channel since the beginning of LDC1, and no one I've seen on youtube has been as thorough or knowledgeable as you are. Haggard garage just destroys cars for entertainment, MCM has the sponsorship and money to do whatever they want with the help of their shop friends. I feel like Off Beat is the only channel out there that is a truly competent, grass roots car channel. The amount of time and research you've put into your car shows, and I'm glad to finally see you out drifting. So thank you!
@OffBeatGarage
@OffBeatGarage 7 жыл бұрын
Well you're welcome my man :) glad to be here and making these videos for ya!
@gamerprootp9423
@gamerprootp9423 7 жыл бұрын
let me just say this to you. i began watching your videos a few days ago and you sir suprized me as one hell of a hard worker! i mean here i am a week ago watching your first drift video and now here you are with this vast of knowledge and what appears to be sponsers on your car? congrats man and keep up the good work!
@JRScience
@JRScience 7 жыл бұрын
Keep making videos like this and you're gonna give engineering explained a run for his money! Very very informative!
@SpikeKastleman
@SpikeKastleman 7 жыл бұрын
Camber for drifting = All good. Camber on a non-drift car = Ricer crap.
@jimmytran5971
@jimmytran5971 7 жыл бұрын
Spike Kastleman preach brother and just because you have camber also does not mean you are a drifter
@TheBikemaster94
@TheBikemaster94 7 жыл бұрын
Spike Kastleman naw broghe some setup benefit from mild camber, think about what happens when you lean into a tight turn. body roll, coil bind, etc. can hurt yer handling especially if the car wasn't meant to be driven hard
@SpikeKastleman
@SpikeKastleman 7 жыл бұрын
TheBikemaster94 Let me correct myself: *Excesive* camber. Lol. My bad!
@davidponte5153
@davidponte5153 7 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying that this guys camber isnt even bad but i see niggas with excessive camber on a toyota camry 😂😂😂😂
@fueledgti
@fueledgti 7 жыл бұрын
Spike Kastleman Camber for race cars and track cars is also good for reducing understeer and increasing traction during turn in
@LegendaryScottOfficial
@LegendaryScottOfficial 7 жыл бұрын
Is it just me, or does just the right amount of camber look really good?
@MrCalverino
@MrCalverino 6 жыл бұрын
GTR_Scott its very sexy
@penuuu0195
@penuuu0195 5 жыл бұрын
it looks good
@hebelehubele872
@hebelehubele872 5 жыл бұрын
Yea max -2
@barnyard_fab
@barnyard_fab 3 жыл бұрын
Hebele Hübele lmao i’d say that’s about max if you’re not gonna drift
@Wannabegoodvideos
@Wannabegoodvideos 7 жыл бұрын
Ive been watching your Offbeat Garage videos since you first started drifting and building the first 240. I really like you education and knowledge behind what you do to your car instead of just throwing shit at a car and saying it's going to work! I don't drift, I like drag racing but alignment angles are just as important in both areas. Love the video's still!
@4xHitler
@4xHitler 7 жыл бұрын
the reason why I couldn't drift with the Evo in Project cars.. it had too much negative camber on the front. great explanation
@almightyalan8942
@almightyalan8942 6 жыл бұрын
Saw your vid yesterday, tuned my drift rc came back to thank you for sharing your wisdom with us! My car drifts so good!
@FarReachFR
@FarReachFR 7 жыл бұрын
This is such an amazing good explanation of your alignment, I was just impressed and then more so the longer you kept instructing. Nice work. have a good run on the track.
@Elephant_Thoughts
@Elephant_Thoughts 7 жыл бұрын
Well...I was educated. Thank you for taking the time out for this reality update on the topic.
@fatbogan5395
@fatbogan5395 7 жыл бұрын
OMG ITS YOU!!! I just re discovered you after about 3 years. I remember your og drift builds on that 240 that you got from a panel beater!
@zsdrift8896
@zsdrift8896 7 жыл бұрын
wont be doing 65° plus entry in my daily...challenge accepted sir lol
@KR-no7cc
@KR-no7cc 7 жыл бұрын
this is interesting to me. I hate it much less now. I always just figured it was completely for "aesthetic" purposes. Now that I understand there is a point to cambering the tits out of vehicles, I can appreciate it to an extent. Well spoken, informative video.
@anthonygonsalves7020
@anthonygonsalves7020 7 жыл бұрын
F1, DTM and most other touring racing, professional drifting...many race cars have negative camber. Some are even on all four corners.
@MrBk11224
@MrBk11224 7 жыл бұрын
Bro I've watched all you videos from the start and the knowledge that you have is amazing !
@cxbra
@cxbra 7 жыл бұрын
This is some of the best info ive ever heard, in my life.. Thanks Offbeat for the bomb ass content.
@Vgk36
@Vgk36 4 жыл бұрын
Holyshit man I just learned more in this 9 minute and 50 second video then I ever have just trying to figure it out myself. this is internet gold thank you for posting this I also subbed and I will follow you on Instagram!!
@a.benaway_racing
@a.benaway_racing 7 жыл бұрын
Something to add is that the caster affect works best for grip set ups where the outside front wheel is take all the load, so gaining dynamic camber is a good thing. Drift set ups are opposite because like the guys says the lead wheel is now you primary focus. Good explanation!!
@montana1636
@montana1636 3 жыл бұрын
That is accurate and a relevant compensation for forward caster, aside from initial steering input, but on a drift car you aren’t overly concerned with the confident feel of the feed back during initial turn in
@turboboost04
@turboboost04 7 жыл бұрын
Ive been watching alot of your videos lately and i gotta say they are really informative! keep up the good work!!
@SomeMechlover
@SomeMechlover 7 жыл бұрын
Atleast he backs it up with facts
@c0ntag10n
@c0ntag10n 5 жыл бұрын
Extremely informative video. Knowing nothing about drifting, this was a great primer and explained everything I wanted to know. Thank you for posting
@pipelinewill
@pipelinewill 7 жыл бұрын
don't forget acrumen, I put modded knuckles in my car with 0 ish acrumen, and have 0 toe front and rear, 0 rear camber, 6 degrees front camber and stock caster. works mint! I learned a lot from this video, awesome!
@linuslindkvist9360
@linuslindkvist9360 7 жыл бұрын
Straight to the point!! Probadly the most giving video I've ever seen on YT. Keep it up bro! Subbed and liked.
@Anukloses
@Anukloses 7 жыл бұрын
Bro. Amazing vid, really good explanation of everything. Keep up the good work.
@e36pico5
@e36pico5 7 жыл бұрын
This helped so much in CarX drifting
@lucywucyyy
@lucywucyyy 7 жыл бұрын
huh, ive been a serious car guy and love professional drifting and it turns out i didnt know how cambre worked, before this i thought it was to make it so that the tire has a flat contact when the tire deforms under the horizontal stress of drifting or turning. this was way more informative than i thought it would be, i actually completly relearned somthing i thought already knew
@OffBeatGarage
@OffBeatGarage 7 жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@carlosfranco7263
@carlosfranco7263 7 жыл бұрын
i know and seen you do your own alignment on your car, if you have time you should do a video on how to do alignments on low cars like yours, what tools you use and methods etc.
@collinsxvibez3926
@collinsxvibez3926 Жыл бұрын
I wanna start drifting next year, and i’m binge watching these as much as i can to prepare lol! This was great, i learned so much
@ZTK-RC
@ZTK-RC Жыл бұрын
Did you start drifting this year?
@Glasseddetailingg
@Glasseddetailingg 7 жыл бұрын
well done man, you have come a long way keep it up
@ProtonFilms_Mark
@ProtonFilms_Mark 7 жыл бұрын
This popped up in my suggestions and I fully expected the Bro attitude to this. So I went "humour me" and then you appear on-screen well versed in the topic and I am left seriously reevaluating my stereotypes over here.
@ebumpas
@ebumpas 7 жыл бұрын
For someone like me with NO tuner experience, this was incredibly educational! In all seriousness, thank you.
@OffBeatGarage
@OffBeatGarage 7 жыл бұрын
+Storm Rider Glad to hear it :)
@wilsonmlin
@wilsonmlin 7 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for the info and lesson. I wish the trend of ridiculous camber on street cars would just stop but I now get it for track specific drift cars.
@willl5250
@willl5250 5 жыл бұрын
Totally comes off as a drift bro. Starts talking and its very clear hes a rift pro. Respect
@TheDoubledayGaming
@TheDoubledayGaming 7 жыл бұрын
Loving the videos cant wait to see you break 100.000 subs keep it going.
@94BrunoO
@94BrunoO 7 жыл бұрын
Lots of knowledge, well explained, made it easy to understand. Hats off
@AngryJesus
@AngryJesus 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the explanation. I kinda feel like it was partially in response to my comment about stretching the tires so it wouldn't rub the front fenders. Good information and it makes sense now. Looking forward to more videos! You've come a long way since i first started watching.
@AX-xi2pw
@AX-xi2pw 7 жыл бұрын
Stretched tires actually also provide another benefit for drift cars other than more fender clearance. When stretched, the tires gain lateral stiffness since the sidewalls are diagonal which makes them not snap as hard into grip and slide easier/smoother to the sides. Edit: fender clearance isn't actually a legit benefit since you can easily run a more narrow rim to fit the tires and still not have any rubbing issues.
@themarenda
@themarenda 5 жыл бұрын
It's nice when someone on youtube actually knows what he is saying
@creamsoda5492
@creamsoda5492 7 жыл бұрын
dude, another in depth vid. so informative. didn't know you run so little hp in you car either!
@matter9
@matter9 7 жыл бұрын
Great explanation! I knew the technical precision was high before the mention of vector diagrams, but that just drove it home 👌😎
@OffBeatGarage
@OffBeatGarage 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks man :)
@Tiz263
@Tiz263 7 жыл бұрын
thanks from a master tech and a former autoxer that was very informative and cleared things up for me
@Jury1111111111
@Jury1111111111 7 жыл бұрын
Dude, you're ace! Really enjoyed your video, keep it up!
@AidanTree
@AidanTree 7 жыл бұрын
great video man, Lots of good knowledge
@OffBeatGarage
@OffBeatGarage 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks :)
@euroberto85
@euroberto85 7 жыл бұрын
im not really into drifting but i really like these videos. keep up the good work
@NateNZL
@NateNZL 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome video man. I also run the same measurement tyres on my BMW (Non Drift Car). Great to see how far both you and you car have come :)
@BigAndy229
@BigAndy229 7 жыл бұрын
Great video dude! Keep up the great work
@leoedward7363
@leoedward7363 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this video. You couldn't have made it any clearer. I'm just getting to grips with suspension set-ups but haven't yet needed to think about a drift setup. Really interesting stuff
@urmother1893
@urmother1893 7 жыл бұрын
you sir, just earned a subscriber, loved the video, very informative. keep up the good work
@Jumpious
@Jumpious 7 жыл бұрын
love the vids been subbed for so long, didnt take notice of ur sub count but ANYWAY - should do an update on your suspension, 50mm extended lca's, tie rods, etc
@RGHTBrainDesignDrive
@RGHTBrainDesignDrive 7 жыл бұрын
This is your best video so far. Excellent work. Good safety tip for the oblivious ones! :D
@oregonhighway
@oregonhighway 7 жыл бұрын
a justification for what i usually think is nutty camber. thanks for the vid!
@highwaymanautomotive9549
@highwaymanautomotive9549 6 жыл бұрын
Really good video! don't agree with everything you say but, you explain everything really well and I respect your point of view and choices for turning your vehicle. Very good view
@Digitalstar3
@Digitalstar3 7 жыл бұрын
Really good video man, keep it up !
@bizzybinnc
@bizzybinnc 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome job on breaking this down. Nice video.
@Genome69420
@Genome69420 7 жыл бұрын
clicked thinking maybe id learn a few things and i did. good shit man.
@Matt4412-j7o
@Matt4412-j7o 5 жыл бұрын
MIND BLOWN... now i also understand those memes with extreme exaggerated front camber and 0 in the rear
@helemar51
@helemar51 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your in depth video. Best explanation on the web
@Skydiggz
@Skydiggz 7 жыл бұрын
Informative AF! I learned a lot. Thanks bro. 👍🏾
@HaoleBuilt808
@HaoleBuilt808 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. Really helped me (amateur drifter) to help better understand how to setup my car.
@EvanMoon
@EvanMoon 7 жыл бұрын
You explained it very good and now I know what you're doing. Thanks so much
@MechInvent
@MechInvent 7 жыл бұрын
this actually makes me not hate camber anymore, thanks.
@thomas1055213
@thomas1055213 4 жыл бұрын
One thing I don’t fully understand ( I’ve had some but little real life experience working on real drift cars) but my understanding is you want less grip at the front when on lock so the rear end can catch the slide.
@turmat01
@turmat01 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your explanations. First time I see someone explain it while actually showing how their wheels actually move. I've been trying to explain this to a couple of friends, and yet they always look at me like an alien. Now I got a proper video to show them to prove my point! With this I can now SHOW the difference between a drifter's camber/caster setup and those idiots running 20-25 degrees of negative camber on their street cars... Thanks! :P
@kylesagun156
@kylesagun156 6 жыл бұрын
turmat01 lol 40 degrees camber
@mustangbee17
@mustangbee17 7 жыл бұрын
Damn dude i used to see your videos when you still had your other 240 then got the other 240 that was shitty af (idk if its not this black one) and then i also saw like your very first time attempting to drift and now i come back and you already got the hang of it and everything! Thats crazy dude but congrats man its very noticeable that all your hard work has been paying off
@savetheZENKIs
@savetheZENKIs 7 жыл бұрын
lol, not why i run -9.5 degrees of camber up front.. I'm just a swag lord trying to fit dope ass rims.
@angeld.9220
@angeld.9220 7 жыл бұрын
thats funny
@Wannabegoodvideos
@Wannabegoodvideos 7 жыл бұрын
Lol I really love your honesty in this comment!
@ethandoom1627
@ethandoom1627 7 жыл бұрын
Angel D.
@stance_wrks8129
@stance_wrks8129 6 жыл бұрын
bruh i have a zenki.... but i cant wait to face lift it...(kouki swap) ;)
@crazycandy2323
@crazycandy2323 7 жыл бұрын
Learned a lot out of this video, great job explaining everything
@Esnoe21210
@Esnoe21210 7 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Adam Lz watches your vids ..
@Vyppaaa11
@Vyppaaa11 7 жыл бұрын
Very informative, I never thought of the camber change due to caster
@rickjames3034
@rickjames3034 7 жыл бұрын
I didnt think i would learn anytjing going in but i did! Thanks!
@cachoraman
@cachoraman 7 жыл бұрын
great video dude, You've helped me solve some doubts. greetings from Mexico...
@haridoessports
@haridoessports 6 жыл бұрын
Damn! Great video! Everything was very simple and easy to understand! Great job!
@stevenpaige2005
@stevenpaige2005 7 жыл бұрын
thanks. learn something new every day. I just can't figure out why some of these cars have so much negative camber that the inside of the rim is the only thing touching the ground.
@OffBeatGarage
@OffBeatGarage 7 жыл бұрын
That right there is just a stance show car type thing lol
@driftingbrandonc.6480
@driftingbrandonc.6480 7 жыл бұрын
great video this explained the little i know in detail :D that negative camber in the front looks badass
@michaelbedoya9838
@michaelbedoya9838 7 жыл бұрын
Really informative. Love your videos keep it up!
@jonathanbyrd90
@jonathanbyrd90 6 жыл бұрын
if you have McPherson suspension or something that pivots you don't need a fixed camber angle,the car already gains camber angle as it tilts, with extra camber you lose contact the more the car tilts. fixed negative camber is for cars that camber steer, camber steer is when the inside wheel gets positive camber and the outside wheel gets negative camber going into a turn, like how you lean a motorcycle into a turn,, if it had two front wheels, with this setup adding "slight" negative camber ( not too much because the outside wheel is already getting negative camber) will help the inside wheel (wich is getting positive camber) be more flat on the ground in a turn, negative rear camber will help the car slide because the tires arnt flat on the ground so go for it, a lot of people are very misinformed about the camber thing, but it dose look cool on lowriders
@DGCastell
@DGCastell 7 жыл бұрын
got educated with this, thanks a lot for putting your effort on the vid!
@montana1636
@montana1636 3 жыл бұрын
On a Ferrari formula1 race car a team I am familiar with ran mostly a -2°camber in the rear and slightly more up front.
@MacDaddyFresh
@MacDaddyFresh 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks dude, cleared things up a lot.
@dominikschipany8021
@dominikschipany8021 6 жыл бұрын
I am really interested into drifting so I want to know what should do as a beginner. Especially which car to buy and whats important when looking for one.
@tristan7122
@tristan7122 5 жыл бұрын
Thank u very much for the nice and detailed description !
@TheGreenmeeny
@TheGreenmeeny 7 жыл бұрын
Best explanation yet, cheers.
@11snk10
@11snk10 7 жыл бұрын
Great explanation man!!! Easy to understand
@JMyersMedia
@JMyersMedia 7 жыл бұрын
nice vid man, keep them up
@juliodefreitas157
@juliodefreitas157 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video and thanks for sharing your tips
@highsidemedia7559
@highsidemedia7559 7 жыл бұрын
you just helped my drift tunes on forza sooo much, thank you hahaha
@goguhu
@goguhu 7 жыл бұрын
Great job explaining stuff man!
@drtone
@drtone 5 жыл бұрын
Great video. You know your stuff, and I learned a lot, thanks. You did cover the alternatives well, such as the front sliding, which should be rolled into the Ackerman discussion, and choice in rear, but i'd like to elaborate. I think the rear camber vs. PSI at rear tires can also be better the other way, depending on car, power, surface, etc. You are mimicking the set-up of a high powered pro car that has tire restrictions, but in a non-turbo/very low powered car, requiring you to crank PSI. In some way you are satisfying the need to get the "pro look" lol. It may seem like a nuisance to flip tire, but you may be able to get twice the use of tire by cambering and running lower psi to give grip. it also changes the feel, and breakaway character, which may be better, or not, depends. If u run zero camber, but have to pump psi up to degrip, the higher psi will increase heat and accelerate wear, even to the point of premature catastrophic chunking, and losing a good tire very early( thou usu. not in KA, beacause low power), but in any even low powered turbo car aka. SR20det or VQ car, u will destroy tires at those high pressures. Also, just using a 205 or 195 stretched on same rims would be better way to degrip at zero rear camber, thus using cheaper tire at lower tire saving pressures, perhaps.
@bradypellarin8573
@bradypellarin8573 7 жыл бұрын
Best video on thre subject I've ever seen.
@paolonicolini1055
@paolonicolini1055 7 жыл бұрын
+OffBeat Garage very interesting video! Does even front and rear toe adjustments change the behavior of the car in drifting or you dont need to touch it? thanks :D
@GREGXCELENTEFILM
@GREGXCELENTEFILM 7 жыл бұрын
This is a great video. Very informative, thanks for posting. Can I ask, how much does it cost in overhead to drift a car like this? Like track fees, tires etc. How do you practice? Do you have to reserve track time or do you have a track near you that you can just go to whenever? I really want to do something like this.
@Zifey0
@Zifey0 7 жыл бұрын
great video! car looks sick as well
@XxRoflcoppterxX
@XxRoflcoppterxX 7 жыл бұрын
This is a much better explanation than engineering explained
@MrDellinx
@MrDellinx 7 жыл бұрын
wow this really helps thank you for taking the time making this video, i don't drift i drive an awd grip machine thru canyons and yeah i def notice a lot of inner tire wear my car does not come stock adjustable camber control so i was thinking of getting shimmies to help with that i don't have enough disposable 350+ for camber plates, are you familiar with this method? also assuming I'm driving and taking turns up and down the mountain around 30-45 degree turnsat around 60-70mph+ and 50 to 80 degree turns at around 40mph-55mph how many degrees of camber do you guess a car would travel my car is about 3500 pound vw golf r32 mk4 ?
@patstanik492
@patstanik492 7 жыл бұрын
Dope video, full of information
@007rozier
@007rozier 7 жыл бұрын
what's up bro,I just wanted to ask a few questions if I may, I have an 2002 acura cl type S, it's my daily Drive and I want to put -camber on it for the look but also want to get the most performance out of my tires and turning ,what degree should i put the front cambers too and what degrees should I put the rear campers too,i want it noticeable with negative camber but also want the most surface space and performance as possible?
@TheLemonBird
@TheLemonBird 7 жыл бұрын
Great video man!!!
@chaunster
@chaunster 7 жыл бұрын
Thx for the explanation. It was very thorough and informative.
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