No matter how many similarities there are between Japan and China, one difference stands up like a sore thumb: Japan wilted under the US hegemony.

Seems China really shocked german during IAA. Never seen dw has to have 3 reports day by day talking about chinese EVs....

He makes it seem like Chinese manufacturers are catching up in the first part, while it are in fact the German manufacturers that are behind

Here in Brazil, Volswagen is only talking about electric cars for the next two decades without any practical action, while Chinese brands such as BYD and GWM are starting to take over the market.

Although the Germans may not be happy---the Chinese cars participating in this exhibition are all models that have been on sale in the Chinese market for a year or more.The Chinese do not think it is necessary to bring more advanced and technologically advanced models to the exhibition. In fact,the intensity of competition in China's domestic auto market far exceeds that in Europe.The challenges that Chinese automakers encounter in the European market are basically from racial and political issues,and almost none from technology.

Who would think that Germany would be worry about competition from Chinese automakers in Europe! Completely unthinkable 10 years ago.

First they complained about how chinese companies worked with volkswagen for their technology. Now years later they complain about how volkswagen works with chinese company for their technology. Bunch of clowns

DW you can use one common title for all coverage about China: Germany and the EU should be worried about anything China does and doesn't do, period.

In China, last year's EV model is already ancient history. That's how fast the industry is growing and changing in China, it's mind boggling.

Not only in EV, China is also successful in the tunnel boring machines which they take up 70% of the world market. Germany used to dominate in this market, but the Chinese entry has lowered the price tag which the west can hardly complete. In the fields of construction machinery China repeats the success story, Liebherr lacks behind China's XCMG and Putzmeister was absorbed by Sany

Volkswagen ID3 sells for 16,000 euros in China and 37,000 euros in Europe Is it a problem with the Chinese government? Is it a Volkswagen problem? Is it a problem with the German government or the EU?

without cheap energy, German industries are doomed

More and more affordable cars in the market, which is a good news for all consumers.

But world's largest battery maker is in China..... Tesla also use China-made battery .....how ?

What is missing from this whole debate is that none of the car manufacturers were able to make a car with profits except BYD and Tesla.

Why can’t DW see EV as an opportunity of collaboration rather than life and death rivalry?

I bought VW ID4 last year but felt a bit regretful because NIO SUV is more expensive than ID4, otherwise we would rater to take NIO instead of ID4. Pls don't feel hurt. My last car is Honda Vezel. And maybe my next car will be a Chinese brand which I'm pretty sure. Changes are quite huge and faster here in China than you can image. Hold it tight, ladies and gentlemen.

With gone of cheap energy from Russia to Europe, i don't see how Europe especially Germany could compete with China, when China can now access as much as possible cheap Russian gas and oil. Europe did this to them selves folks.. 😔

Be happy to see competition so that users have a variety of choices and are not bothered by high prices. But everyone also knows that if its products are not possible to compete with competitors, given a national security excuse, product share can be increased.😊

LOL... the "reporter" was trying so hard to ask leading questions and control the narrative, but Peter didn't take the bait. Bravo Peter for the level-headed responses!

China have talents in ALL sectors not just in space exploration and moon landing ( like India which is more focussed in prestige)

Just your typical anti-China story from DW. Carry on.

Fintl handled some tough questions with great finesse. Germany used to be a leader intechnology now VW is partnering with XPENG where XPENG supplies the technology. The reply was we have realize that China is no longer a copy cat, just as Japan stopped being a copy cat in terms of technology. We should welcome a win-win collaboration. The americans feel very uncomfortable, when/if they are not the conquerers and the winners while those they conquered are destroyed. The win-lose option is the only one they know exists. Win-win is foreign to the rulers of the global empire. Rome wins Gaul loses, Rome wins Carthage loses. Fintl is the opposite of Annalena Baerbock and Haback.

- Lets get all the countries of Europe together to create a manufacturing powerhouse called the EU. The richer countries can provide Tech and Cash while the poorer countries provide Manpower. - Brilliant idea - And then we will outsource everything to China - Wait... WHAT?!

From what I hear on the other channel the Swiss Bank has made a detailed analysis of BYD's Dolphin model by taking apart piece by piece and comes up with the conclusion to build the same model car in exact specification, it costs 35 % extra so what does that tell you as they need to make an investment decision for their clients.

What a weird title. When German's car flooded Chinese market, they didn't put up such title.

Thanks for providing a fair discussion regarding the progress of EV vehicles globally. I like how the emphasis isn't necessarily the battle but more of a cooperation that can help more people in the world adopt more environmentally friendly vehicles. Thanks for the report!

In China, very few people buy German electric vehicles. This is a fact, because the entire electric vehicle industry in the West is far behind China. China's electric vehicle technology is currently the world's number one, and it is also the world's largest single market. Germany, in addition to fuel vehicles There is no advantage in China. With the development of science and technology, it will be a matter of time before fuel vehicles are eliminated.

If you're serious, buy a plane ticket to China, with over 50% tram coverage in first-tier cities, and a lot of brands to choose from between $30,000 and $50,000 that sell very well. Tesla and BYD are starting to turn a profit after a long period of losses. Quality is another topic, go look at sales of electric buses and electric cabs. Germany has the best fuel cars, but the world change accelerated after Germany lost its pipeline. Germany has lost cheap energy, and to give up the partnership is to give up decades of lucrative markets. German and Chinese car companies have different strengths and it is still not too late to cooperate.

This news report is just dripping with the anxiety of lost dominance that basically summarizes the Western view of China. We have been dominant technologically for the past several hundred years. Now that is changing and this is unacceptable!"

China and Germany are not boxing in the same category. China is in the heavyweight, Germany is in the featherweight.

Thanks for reporting

Competition is good. Foreign competition forces the local ones to innovate, reduce costs in order to be competitive or be out of business. All these benefit the consumers who can do with better quality and more affordable reasonably -priced products. I really don't care much about protecting the domestic market (that's for inefficient companies and govt to worry) if such competition means I get to enjoy lower prices and more options! Also EV cars and even driverless transportation like buses have been in China for quite some years. I was in China some years ago and was amazed by how fast they have leapfrogged in certain areas. It's not that China is catching up in EV, just that German is getting complacent and lagging behind without the foreign competition from overseas ... until now.

Tesla started building its Shanghai factory in Jan 2019 and started the assembly lines in Dec. 2019. One million EV's were built between Dec. 2019 to Aug. 2022 . And another one million were built From Sept. 2022 up to early Sept. 2023 . Most of the German Car companies are working together with their China partners at present in this race . BASF Germany energy cost is at least 4-5 times higher than BASF China ! Europe has to find a way to De-risk from the US, in order to stay competitive .

Most of the focus if on manufacturers. Missing here is the efficiency or initiatives by policymaker and government of the country to enhance or support the ecosystem needed for EV application. It is not necessarily stopping ICE and call everyone jump into EV. They need time but China did it faster and started way earlier.

German expertise is in internal combustion and associated drive train. They have been left far behind the EV race. Even worse Germany lacks the minerals and the energy to make competitively priced EVs. It has no gas or oil, it has no lithium, copper or nickel.

Will it be on pay per view

Electric car should not be expensive, because of simplicity of it ! Battery + Electric motor + computer - thats it

China has saved many countries from backwardness especially Africa.Ten years ago we used local buses and in our villages only government employees owned motorcycles due to high cost bt after entry of Chinese brands almost every house has a motorcycle that saves time in our daily activities ,nowdays we have luxary buses in villages .Kudos to china

This is no surprise to me, German auto makers drag their feet as long as possible to halt & delay this process & now they have to pay the price

Chinese will not only replace the German brands in Russia 🇷🇺 but very soon also in Germany 🇩🇪 and Germany can’t stop it 😢

China is crushing it in terms of quality and price. The Era of expensive and over-priced german engineering will die out if they don't compete on price.

China used to buy German TBMs. . . too expensive. . The Germans don't cut prices at all. . Eventually we plan to build our own. . The Germans said when they found out. "I give you the blueprint. You can't make it either." . result. . We made it. The same is true in the automotive field.

10:08 The despair of the lady stating that "young people deciding to buy a new car" in urge to save the industry 🙄

they deserved outcome similar to speed train story. Most of Euro countries is sunset without new idea compare old day Nokia, Alcatel, Airbus, ERC, Seimen etc.

In ASEAN, Chinese EVs are taking over the car manufacturing. Countries like Malaysia, Indonesia, are making Chinese cars locally this year. And Thailand is rumoured to be talking with Geely, BYD, etc., too. ps. Hungary is building the largest battery plant in Europe soon, with CATL.

So germany didn't see tesla as rivals who has much bigger markets in germany compared to chinese ev's? 😂

It was almost ten years ago, I was lucky to have a chance to join an event hosted by the Audi executives in Barcelona. I test drove their self driving prototype electric A7and it was amazing. They also gave us a lecture about their visions of the EVs, very impressive. But as we all know, none of those happened. 😂The times have approved that German corps are not as innovative as they advertised.

I am sorry my German brothers and sisters but looks like game is over for German cars though I love having one.

ICE cars going obsolete which many countries are phasing out. New trends are EV cars. Buyers prefer affordable, quality EV over branded ones.

Great. 20 years of German cooperation with Russia and China got us where we are now - more of the same is definitely what you do not want to hear for the future.

The German auto industry can do all the same things as the Chinese auto industry, nothing is stopping them, but unfortunately the German auto industry is still mostly focused on squeezing the ICE a bit longer even though the writing is on the wall to change directions. But don’t underestimate the German auto industry!

I hope that German manufacturers wake up an stop making UFOs and start making practical, nice interior EVs. And stop trying to copy Tesla. VW Fans don’t want a Tesla with a VW Logo, they want a 100% electric polo, golf, passat.

7:10 funny thing in that graph is, both the Chinese and German EV exports to a large extents are the locally manufactured Teslas...

where is fair competition,where is open market

Hardly doubt people will cross-shop a German brand and a Chinese brand, more likely German cars on a Chinese platform. Remember in the 90's reading "Only Turks buy Japanese car in Germany" replace Japanese for Chinese and will have a more accurate picture.

German products are favored in China among the rich, Chinese products are popular in the west among the grassroots.

German car makers only concentrated in high end market. For commoners like me, there is no chance to even smell german cars in my lifetime. I am driving japanese cars since birth and now its inevitable that my next upgrade will be chinese made ICE car or EV

Let us wait to see in next couple months if "National Security" issue is rising in germany parliament. If any new restriction applied on China-EV in EU-Market, as reliatation, would the VW sale in China be restricted ? So basically, be careful with VW-Stock for long term investment.

You can really hear how loaded everything the host says is

2025 is still early, electric cars are just starting to show their growing pains

That’s game change now.

0:50 splash（在水中）濺著水花行走，拍打著水遊, 展示, 在顯著位置刊登；顯眼地展示 the chinese car industry is making a big splash. 3:25 electric vehicle: larger battery and no conversions. 3:55 everything works smooth, digital, and seamless. also the perceived quality of the interiors - use of leather, soft surfaces, lavish outlook 6:55 who is winning the export race 7:40 this is a typical pattern of the chinese industry 8:10 combustion engine vehicles

Germany don't like competition? It's ok when they were in the lead. But nothing stays the same.

Co-op or loose the market song of the day

VW, MB, Audi, BMW, Porsche… are very popular Chinese market for years, there is no direct competitor from China. The number of Chinese export is nothing comparing to Japanese and Korean brands, also I just watched another DW video announcing EVs era is ending. EU wants affordable EV and complain Chinese EV price is too low.

There are only 22 parts in a EV car. And a EV car is nothing but a battery with four wheel and a computer. So it is not that hard to get into the business, as long as you can secure the Chinese batteries which is the REAL DEAL. And Chinese car batteries are superiors. Even Tesla is using Chinese car batteries. If you have a chance to see the Chinese made EV cars, their quality and price ratio is OFF THE ROOF. Chinese EV car makers are so competitive among themselves that they practically load all luxury features they could think of into the EV cars.

Why are the Chinese focused on the Euro car market? A) It's a large and affluent market. B) Asian expansion is already underway C) Big US tariffs on Chinese products, and few are willing to lose as much money as Geely is to access the US market. This will result in BYD and others building factories in Mexico. It will take time though.

But where are the machines that makes those cars are made, and the control circuits?

The EV is environmentally friendly and maybe the good solution for reduce of emission, so it will be able to reduce of depending of energy resources, as we know that the war between Russia and Ukraine have been the price of energy rise up to scarcity. Another side that the source of energy have been belonging of Middle East countries. But the most questions is how the manufactures will be able to supply the raw material of EV, it will be depending of another

Chinese party has cheap energy supply from Russia and low wages that fact brings very competitive prices to the final costumer so that competition is a big motivation to bring a new friendly energy over traditional way to manufacture is a big challenge but europe could overcome and rescue their star product if they not only researh and give the research results to manufacture in china because that is vicious circle and chinese industry will keep strong

The Chinese are way ahead in EV. And they've got the RnD and manufacturing base.

It's all talk, talk, talk in German industry - oh, and fear from a competitor making far better products. It is quite clear that all the German car manufacturers have buried their collective reputationallly based heads in the sand. It is high time to sweep out all the failed "leaders" of the German car industry and take a cold hard look at the mess before any more damage is done.

Les voitures allemandes, certes très bien sous beaucoup d’aspects, sont bien trop chères. Et encore l’euro sous côté par rapport à sa vraie parité , autrement ces voitures seraient hors de prix

The Three Body has told the truth, weakness is not an obstacle to survival, while arrogance is.

A lot can be said, but I'll leave it at: There is exactly 0% (zero) room for surprise in these developments. In fact I'm inclined to question what's wrong with people's heads who are surprised.

Just go test drive the MG4 XPower, you will see the true picture. You get a super car for the price of peanuts, who could resist that?

Where is the PHEV in Germany?? It is great competitors to EV !!

I made a promise, my next car will be an electric one, I won't buy another gasoline car, the current one will be next to my old typewriter.

The German auto industry can do all the same things as the Chinese auto industry, nothing is stopping them, but unfortunately the German auto industry is still mostly focused on squeezing the ICE a bit longer even though the writing is on the wall.

Good. more competition. It’s about time the EU vehicle manufacturers get some real competition. Saying this a while: for too long they sell very expensive vehicles, but they are basically shells without exorbitant options. Any car costing 50k or more should have ventilated seats and HUD as standard. I’m currently in Shanghai and I was literally taken by surprise in the locally manufactured EVs. Eg Voyah, NIO, Avatar, byd etc.

You forgot to mention NIO.

The way he is defending german investment in china, although it is good for all the parties but the german companies can explore opportunities in other countries like India

German car makers are practical business people. It's not like they love Chinese car companies or the Chinese tech but to propel their own business to grow and survive the current downturn. Keep your friends close your enemy closer. Who knows, maybe someday it's your enemy that will save you for going under.

ANY decent EV IS TOO EXPENSIVE. I SEE A WORLD WHERE THE RICH OWN ELECTRIC CARS WHILE PEOPLE WALK OR RIDE BIKES.

If someone buys a car $20,000 instead of $50,000, isn't that person going to save $30,000 and spend that balance on other commodities in the market? I think as human beings we need to think the success of one as the success of all. For example, Nikola Tesla shared his knowledge in alternating current technology, almost free to the rest of the world, even though, Edison wanted to prevent the adoption of AC technology.

Chinese car maker have prospered from VW sharing its expertise. I hope VW will prosper in turn with XP sharing

German car makers are not behind in tech, but rather in cost, Chinese EV makers targeted squarely at the young consumers who like hip gadgets and cannot afford a Mercedes anyway from day 1. with most of the world going through belt tightening, affordability and hip gadgets are going to beat premium quality.

Oh dear

No German Carmakers are well ready for EV markets. They will lose their positions in the car industry.

BMW cut the price of i3 hugely and now is almost 100k yuan cheaper here than 3 series

Jolly good! We have more advanced technologies and cost effective EVs in the market. 👍

Question - where is all the lithium gonna come from for all these cars for the next 50 or so years?

For the lest 30 years I’ve bought German made cars or German brands made in the UK. That’s about to end. The new BMW electric 5 Series starts at £ 72,000 in the UK and it’s not even a dedicated EV platform. Yes batteries are expensive but my last 5 series cost £ 38,000 2.5 years ago and I’m not about to pay £ 72K. Even the petrol version has gone up to £ 52,000 it’s like Germany is pricing itself out of the market.

And then you find out chima has fields of abandoned elecyric vehicles too boost sales on paper

After what the EU has done to Australia for generations with its punitive trade embargoes, we are cheering on the assault of the Chinese EV makers who are using Australian materials to takeover European exports. What goes around comes around, and Europe is in for a world of pain this time.

Europeen car market, specialy for ev, is really open to import, as the ev credit market is based on sale product, not on production, so there is governement money stimulus to import ev from china

VW exemplo peças frágeis, no Brasil, nós temos LOGAN 1.6 8 válvulas, ano 2009 , nunca quebrou peças , 160 mil kilometros

German electronics in cars have been weak traditionally. I have owned both mb and bmw hybrids. Absolutely horrendous in terms of reliability.

It should b china+eu against tesla