Lol this is funny, Idk why but i do not have this issue with the maxshine. I feel like everyone is expecting the machine to be a forced rotation machine. Idk but everyone has there own opinion and everyone does things differently. Glad you found what you were looking for.

No luck with Maxshine after my 3 third one. Can’t be happier with Makita force rotation and Metabo rotary.

G9 is junk, no torque either

I have nothing but respect for Brian at apex. He is a real Detailer and provides valuable information for the community. He does real world testing on real clients cars. It is very hard and time consuming to put your buffer down set up the camera and make content while your trying to focus on your job. It takes a lot of time and patience to make videos. He deserves all of his success.

@@NextLevelAutoDetail Well yeah and i do enjoy watchig his videos. Only the Rupes bashing bothers me. Im a part time detailer here in Finland and i have also tested A LOT of stuff, especially pads and polishes. They call me polish surfer lol. Keep up the good work Joe :)

@@NextLevelAutoDetail So, I remember the first time you brought this up I went to Apex because I thought he liked the machine. I was wrong. He doesn't talk about the M15. He talks about the M21. He doesn't even use the M15. I think he just avoided bashing it by not even covering it. The M21 must be less problamtic.

That's on point although Brian from Apex is a better detailer and teacher. I stopped following him after Griot's Garage came out with the G9, in the first tear down video he praised the living crap out of it, then in another video he said he doesn't use it, even though it doesn't stall. Mixed signals to me. He does love and praise MaxShine though.

Brian annoying? He's one of the few real detailer on yotube who isn't sponsored and hyping products up. Go hit the sheets you idiot.

lime2010 absolutely. I have a specific g21 with a designated 5 inch plate. With every advantage comes disadvantages. It causes excess vibration compared to the 6 inch plate. It also puts a lot of stress on the pads by the increased OPMS from the smaller backing plate. A lot more heat is introduced. I still prefer my 6 inch plate on the g21 but in the areas I need a smaller pad I use it often. It enhances the cut but the drawbacks are obvious from what I mentioned above. It’s not as smooth and puts a tremendous amount of stress on the pads. Swapping pads more frequently is certainly required to extend the life of your pads.

DjBann great point and this is true with any machine. Different pad profiles offer different advantages in certain areas. Thicker pads will always provide more adaptability in those areas against low profile pads. However thicker pads lose that advantage on flat areas as they retain a lot of heat and become topsy turvy when it loads with product. Especially using them on a long throw machine they retain a lot of heat due to the large distance it travels. The maxshine does perform a little better with foam pads as far as pad stall goes. When you are trying to remove heavy defects and get the best result a microfiber cutting pad is always going to be your best choice and the machine struggles with it. That is why in the video I talk about how the maxshine is more of a “polisher” like a finishing tool I wouldn’t want to use it for heavy defect removal. In open panels it works ok but the slightest curve it struggles heavily. That is why I would actually prefer cutting with the griots 6” verse the m15. Good insight.

What size griots backing plate? What washer?

MorsX Supera flex 3401 is forced drive rotation not free spinning... it will spin regardless. Its a beast

@@g.osiris1615 yes I'm aware, I own a 1st gen 3401. I am asking about how the NEW one compares as far as smoothness.

Love the Flex 3401

Wow...sounds like bulletproof machine

Completely agree with you. I noticed that on the G15 too... but for me, the tool staling on most panels was the major issue. I have heard that the Flex forced rotation what also hard on tjhe hands, what was your experience with it on that aspect?

Calendyr the flex is the hardest on the body of all machine polishers. It DEMANDS constant 10-12 lbs of downward pressure at all times. If you aren’t applying pressure on a 8mm da you are going no where fast. What a lot of people don’t realize is that a porter cable (also 8mm) actually has more OPMS than a 3401. On a open panel the porter cable will out rotate a flex 3401. The forced driven action limits the overall OPMS when you compare that to free spinning. The only advantage the flex has Over all DAs is that it won’t stall it curves/contours. But the flex by far is the hardest on the body. A phenomenal tool however.

Calendyr I’m not a fan of the forced rotation polishers. Right now I’m back to my rupes mkII and for quick stuff the flex xfe15 cordless.

Not anymore

How did it go? I just ordered my m15 pro 2 a couple days ago, will return if it really is as bad as some people say.

@@javierdelgado1346 any update on the m15 pro 2?

@@mikethedev4620 3 months in and ive used it over 50 times already on customers vehicle. it's pretty solid for the price, look up the washer mod for it and change the grease inside or it'll get noisy.

Thanks Mike just came in from Amazon. Used it on my black ctsv. It worked good so far.

Doubt it, Ford's clear coat of that era is rock solid.

richsq1 I’m grateful that you enjoy my videos, thank you for watching. I promote real world mindset. Common sense will always prevail. If you tubers are being endorsed to promote a product be transparent and let your audience know. Detailers deserve to be compensated for the time and effort it takes to make videos. It really is a difficult job especially if your a real professional. Im not worried about getting endorsed or paid, I just want to share knowledge and encourage others to raise the industry to a higher standard. When everyone contains knowledge and skill that will add over all value to the paint correction market. Thanks again for watching my videos.

Well said! Joe is literally the only detailer on YT saying he doesn't like it. He's the only one I trust now tbh. I have used the polisher twice in a YEAR and each time for less then 1 min. I decided to keep it as a emergency back up the day my other ones fail.

Fellas. There's to much hype about polishers now. The good, the bad, and the ugly. What next. If a polisher works then fine. As long as it's not low level like the harbor freight bauer. I say let people find out for themselves. A polisher I like you might not like for various reasons and one you like I might not like. We all have a different feel and technic for doing and using tools. We need to let this hype on bad polishers go. Thankyou for your time.

Series 1 and 2 has 1000 watt, series 2 only added mini ergonomic changes that’s way still the same price

Ernesto Benavides correction, the first M15 Pro is 900 watts.

Tundra Whisperer the master 15 is 900 watts I used to win the 1 and second series of the pro both were 1000 watt , the master 15 and master 21 are 900 watt

Ernesto Benavides huh? That doesn’t make sense.

Tundra Whisperer well it’s reality , I’m not going to keep wasting my time tho , just do your research if you don’t believe me , he has the m15 pro series 1 which is the one he reviewed and purchased on Facebook marketplace , he has a video on when he buys it , check it out and check the box ..... CLearly shows the 1000 W and I’m telling you because I’m the one who sold those polishers to him ... I also used to own the pro series 2 that’s why I know what I’m telling you ... they have a non pro version which are called the master 15 and the master 21 which is around 160$ -170$ and those are 900 watts

lucabrazi36 Test ???? Did you not see the before and after condition when I was done with that section ? I am fully correcting and coating the car. It has been tracked hard and has many many deep defects. The first passes I did with the maxshine did almost nothing as far as defect removal goes. You don’t get to work on cars that are worth almost half of a million dollars without knowing what your doing. 😜 thanks for watching

@avgrim77 yup i asked which would he love to have the griots g9 or the m15 pro series II he said he loves the m15 pro series II more.

That was the series one that kept stalling. After getting series 2 and adding washer mod he said the series 2 was sooo much better!!

lucabrazi36 that makes total sense. Comparing a direct drive rotary to a free spinning da. That wouldn’t be a total unfair apples and oranges video at all. You should direct all of my content.

Absolutely correct in saying that the harbor freight has more torque. The m15 has to be the most over rated thing in the detailing industry that it’s actually starting to piss me off. I get called out for being sponsored on my videos that I upload just for fun. I don’t get paid or sponsored by anybody. Yet others that promote these crap products surely are getting cash considerations to talk so highly of these products. Either that or maybe they are not “professionals” like they claim. Either way it doesn’t sit right with me.

you called it like it is bro this machine is way over rated i rather pay more and get a more complete polisher i bought it not expecting the power of a rotary but is a sorry machine you can work with it but is a pain in the ass

Damage Control Auto Detail has to be one of the most over hyped detailing related products of all time. It’s seriously the last tool I would pick up out of all the polishers I own. I would rather correct paint with a harbor freight DA.

Absolutely agree with you. Even many of the long time professionals who have reviewed the m15 pro series 2 on KZfaq have said it is a great machine.

I should of returned it too.. but decided to keep it on jobs like all in one where swirls aren't really corrected but only a kiss to the paint

Proof that you did not watch all of the video. That is exactly the point. The 21 should be more prone to stalling due to the larger orbit and larger pad size. The 15 should be putting out more OPMS than a 21 because it is traveling 6mm less distance. Meaning it SHOULD PERFORM EVEN BETTER IN TIGHTER AREAS than a 21. That is exactly the point. The Boss 15 or Rupes Mark 2-3 has no problems in those areas. The machine is weak and lacks power. So that is exactly why I used the 21 because everybody loves this 15mm because it’s so “versatile” yet a machine with a larger orbit and a 6.5 inch pad didn’t stall once in that same area.

Next Level Auto Detail why don’t you compare m15 pro to griots g15

hakman239 your missing the entire point. What don’t you understand that if a 21mm Boss with a 6.5 inch pad didn’t stall in that area (it should be more prone to stalling due to the larger orbit and pad size) if the boss 21 didn’t stall in that area what makes you think a rupes Mark 2 15 or a boss 15 would stall ? Lol. That was to showcase the power of a real tool. The 21 is supposed to have a DISADVANTAGE in that area and it still crushed the 15. If the 21 didn’t stall in that area a mark 2 15 or a boss 15 isn’t going to stall either. Using the 21 was supposed to give the 15 an advantage. I understand your point. Compare a 15 to a 15 that makes sense. But I used the 21 to showcase how much power it really has being that it should struggle in those tighter areas. That’s all I hope you understand my thought process now.

Next Level Auto Detail the griots has a 1100w motor m15 pro is 1000w if you don’t want your tool to stall get a forced rotation da polisher you can’t make them stall the. It’s forced rotation like a rotary

hakman239 These are the tools I own 2 Makita Rotarys 2 Mark 2 Rupes 21s 1 Mark 2 15 Rupes Rupes Duetto Rupes Nano 1st gen Rupes 15 3 Flex 3401s 1 flex xfe 15 1 flex pe-8 3 g21s boss 1 g15 GG6” Maxshine m15 pro Maxshine 3 inch 12mm 2 harbor freight da’s I’m not worried about pad stalling at all....... the maxshine 15 pro is a weak enthusiast tool. It is over hyped by you tubers that are more than likely getting paid to endorse them. I don’t have a problem with pad stall at all. Only when I used the maxshine m15.