Why The Throne Room Scene Was The Worst Fight In ALL of Star Wars
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@MichaelJaeYT 3 жыл бұрын
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@ellyellornorawataterdisabl5870 3 жыл бұрын
What about Obi one Sykerater.
@markmorris2856 2 жыл бұрын
I never understood why Snoke says he can see everything going on in Kilos head. He already knows there is conflict within him aswell. So how did he not see the betrayal coming? Also I thought lightsabre ms turn off when you drop them as you have to pour the force through them to use them so how can you activate some else's from range. In a duel why don't people force turn off their opponents lightsaber when they go to block
@Crazygamer-vw6tj 2 жыл бұрын
Witch planet
@MAR-bite1987 2 жыл бұрын
You idiot this scene is better why did you think it's worse haters!
@marcosvazquez5912 2 жыл бұрын
@MAR poor lost “Star Wars”fanboy, you didn’t even watch the video did you
@Adioslele0_0 3 жыл бұрын
Jedi and sith: 7 forms of lightsaber combat Rey and Kylo: swing swing
@snapdragon9300 3 жыл бұрын
You can see a lightsaber used better by beatsaber players on youtube 😀
@ultrabigfella 3 жыл бұрын
I mean...the forms of combat were lost during The Purge. How would they know them?
@ultrabigfella 3 жыл бұрын
@Wes Bradley-Taubner how did he study the past Jedi?
@ultrabigfella 3 жыл бұрын
@Wes Bradley-Taubner damn that's actually really cool. It sucks we didn't get to see Luke's Order come to fruition in canon.
@thnzxc 3 жыл бұрын
@Itachi Is superior to you Exactly! They may be considered OP, but they at least make sense to why they are.
@boyacka1260 4 жыл бұрын
Fun fact : they had to slow down duel of the fates because the actors were so good it would have looked fake
@boyacka1260 3 жыл бұрын
At least for obi wans part
@SardonicJosh 3 жыл бұрын
josephthemighty yes they did, it’s a fact
@417Owsy 3 жыл бұрын
@josephthemighty yes they did, ewan mcgregor, ray park, and liam neeson practiced and memorized the moves perfectly and moved very fast
@theblaze2294 3 жыл бұрын
@josephthemighty yes they actually did
@saihiko9967 3 жыл бұрын
Duel of the fates, suffering from success
@messymuffin2356 2 жыл бұрын
When the lego version of a fight is better than the actual fight, we have a problem
@Skubasky27 2 жыл бұрын
That lego starwars game is one helluva masterpiece too lol
@Aaylias Жыл бұрын
Seriously it was so fun in The Skywalker saga!
@murdan6856 Жыл бұрын
in deed, even stop motion is better then the new star wars films
@ShenMerrick Жыл бұрын
To be fair...they did the General Grievous fight better as well.
@Travelerfrom2024 Жыл бұрын
Luckily, it's not
@stephsvids9812 Жыл бұрын
It’s really sad seeing my dad a MASSIVE FAN of star wars go from being so excited and non stop talking about Star Wars to just never mentioning it again
@AFree1Month 5 ай бұрын
It's almost like the people behind disney don't have souls or something..
@phonkydude2390 5 ай бұрын
They killed the passion of a father, I'd hope disney is happy
@Ughstopped 4 ай бұрын
Your dad sounds like a bitch. The old star wars movies are full of so much camp but this is what made him give up? Im sure it has nothing to do with his sad life that involved raising you
@KevyNova 3 жыл бұрын
Not only is this the worst fight in all of Star Wars, but it’s the single *best* scene in The Last Jedi. That’s really saying something.
@orangesoda4535 3 жыл бұрын
2nd best scene in TLJ. Best scene is Kylo saying MORE.
@timkilbourn5685 3 жыл бұрын
You mean better than taking down a star destroyer with space horses!
@King_Meatier 3 жыл бұрын
The only good scene is Luke on the Falcon reuniting with R2. The only moment where I felt like I was watching an actual star wars movie.
@ashcraft257 3 жыл бұрын
It wasn’t a good scene the best scene is when anakin saber is going to try and it is not because it looks cool it is just the music doing the work
@faded5886 3 жыл бұрын
If it's the best scene in last jedi the other scenes are worse therefore it can't be the worst I agree just saying word it better
@piefearion3663 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe they were actually trying to hit them, but they were to dizzy because of all the spinning they were doing.
@awkwardfreak3109 3 жыл бұрын
LoL.
@AndreNitroX 3 жыл бұрын
This whole fight is so Zanny like there is no logic to it
@mehforreal6954 3 жыл бұрын
I'll try spinning that's a good trick
@AndreNitroX 3 жыл бұрын
@@mehforreal6954 whats funny is that there is alot of instances in star wars lore where it is pointed out how dumb it is to turn your back while spinning during a lightsaber fight.
@Dragonage2ftw 3 жыл бұрын
Cringey.
@samrittenhouse2534 Жыл бұрын
That frozen blaster moment was in the first minute of the first sequel and is easisly the coolest thing that happened the whole trilogy, i was actually stoked at that point
@DigitDesign 8 ай бұрын
We forget how freaking cool Ren was in the build up to this film. Once he removed his helmet, which should have been a huge moment in the last film, He loses all his cool.
@jeremyarcus-goldberg9543 8 ай бұрын
@@DigitDesign He even has his helmet off twice in the first movie. I couldn't understand that decision.
@miguelpereira9859 7 ай бұрын
Lol the sequels actually peaked in that very first scene
@jeremyarcus-goldberg9543 7 ай бұрын
@@miguelpereira9859 It was undercut very quickly with Poe's joke about the mask. It seemed funny at the time because we thought Kylo Ren would punish him for the wisecrack but he doesn't.
@sprinkle61 5 ай бұрын
My favorite part is right after this throne scene, where Kylo asks Rei to join his 'emo nihilist' side, attack both the new order and the republic, and do their own thing on the ruins. 'Let the past die, kill it if you have to' is probably the most (and only) quotable line in the entire Disney Trilogy, was used to set up this moment, but it goes nowhere, unfortunately
@k.g.7591 2 жыл бұрын
It irritated me that some of these guys’ armor pieces can block light saber beams but Kylo Ren can also stab through them. Like if you could make a whole fight about the fact that they’re wearing beam proof armor alone. There could have been four of them so there would be less spinning and confusion and the fight would be a desperate bid to get the guys’ armor or helmets off
@jtho8937 9 ай бұрын
Yeah, John Wick 3 and 4 showed that you can make interesting fights out of having to work around invulnerable armour.
@ttry1152 8 ай бұрын
So moff gideon vs mando
@Fudo94 8 ай бұрын
@@jtho8937it's stupid.
@Zer0Fox_gibbon 8 ай бұрын
That would have been cool. Like, Kylo goes for a gut stab or something, and it turns out the armour is Beskar, so they have to actually get creative in how they dispatch them. But that would have required effort and skill, which was severely lacking in the creation of this scene.
@orange_turtle3412 7 ай бұрын
If you want to enjoy this fight you kinda have to disregard logic and common sense. Nothing that happens in this scene makes any sense.
@HankJ666 2 жыл бұрын
The best lightsaber fight in the sequel trilogy wasn't even a lightsaber fight, it was Finn vs the "Traitor!" trooper
@branlex1315 2 жыл бұрын
Sad and funny at the same time
@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsaiyan 2 жыл бұрын
Especially if you watch the edited version where the storm trooper blows finn's head off
@windghost2 2 жыл бұрын
Disagree. The best fight in the ST is Finn vs Kylo Ren. Why? Because he was fighting him to protect Rey and in doing so, he was finally facing his main fear of The First Order which is Kylo Ren. In doing so he got injured trying to protect her from him which was noble.
@CTRaptor 2 жыл бұрын
The stormtrooper is FN-2199 nicknamed “nines,” Finn’s former friend.
@windghost2 2 жыл бұрын
@@CTRaptor I honestly didn't think too much about him when I first saw that scene in theaters 7 years ago. But after I read Before The Awakening by Greg Ruka (REALLY GOOD book on Finn, Rey and Poe's characters; it takes place at least 6 months before the movie. I recommend it.) it became clear to me exactly WHO nines was and it makes sense as too why he's mad at Finn.
@eeeeeertghyjuk 4 жыл бұрын
7:07 Rey kicked like three people with one kick
@larry2281 3 жыл бұрын
Mary Sue Powers
@revanruler6404 3 жыл бұрын
to be fair luke also force kicked a guy during episode 6 (his kick clearly doens't connect to one of jabba's guards hence hte invention of the force kick to fix a mistake)
@billysanderson4921 3 жыл бұрын
@@revanruler6404 that was one person tho 😂
@revanruler6404 3 жыл бұрын
@@CCLOSPINA the problem is it isn't one small mistake it's a ton of noticeable mistakes also it's a different time we expect better from today's industry
@kota8394 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t you know about the force kick? Everyone knows about the force kick we just came up with to make a ridiculous scene make sense..
@marklechman2225 9 ай бұрын
Not a huge prequel fan, but the first few minutes of Obi-Wan and Anakin’s saber fight are absolutely mind-blowing. Props to Hayden and Ewan.
@cheezuschrist 8 ай бұрын
You should give the movies a rewatch especially if you’re a fan of TCW show. The story is 10,000,000x better than the sequel
@oldmonkey7720 8 ай бұрын
i did not liked prequels when they were released...now i thing they were not that bad....actually, they were pretty good...even Jar-Jar....
@mrplimbles7803 8 ай бұрын
Lucas had to tell them to slow down with their moves because they were struggling to capture them, they put heart, soul and sweat into them moments and hats off to them. Say what you want about acting, but they knew how important that fight was for everyone so gave it what it deserved
@chrisking777 8 ай бұрын
The Prequel fights are just dancing. It doesn't look real at all.
@Mojo1356 8 ай бұрын
@@chrisking777well they can do things we normal humans can’t because of their speed and precognition. Of course it doesn’t look real.
@FittedSheetGaming Жыл бұрын
I remember someone said that the guard jumping in at 4:26 was really endearing cause he was tryna save his friend and it adds a lot of depth to that character lol
@FittedSheetGaming Жыл бұрын
Welp you ruined that for me too lol
@Helloiamraymond 8 ай бұрын
Why'd you reply to yourself?
@FittedSheetGaming 8 ай бұрын
@@Helloiamraymond I was keeping my extra comment in the replies, cause I didn't wanna flood the comment section. I was meaning that the video ruined that perspective of mine.
@deleteduser122 7 ай бұрын
i mean it seems like a really dope scene at my eyes only that is ejecuted like shit, a royal guard that can stop a lightsaber (who is like the strongest and dangerous hand to hand weapon in Star Wars) with is own hands sounds pretty dope
@orange_turtle3412 7 ай бұрын
I wanna know how his arms could block the lightsaber but Kylo could still stab the last guy through his helmet. You’d think if they were gonna make one part of the armor lightsaber-resistant they would make all of it resistant. Or at least make the parts of the armor protecting vital organs (like the brain) resistant.
@Gunkyyyy 4 жыл бұрын
Jedis concentrate or focus during battle so th- Rey: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@JesusHasRisen1 3 жыл бұрын
"I'll try screaming, that's a good trick!"
@MmAndFriends 3 жыл бұрын
“NOW THIS.. will hurt your ears..
@joelfigueredo957 3 жыл бұрын
Almost as if she is feeling the pull to the Darkside
@King_of_Calcium 3 жыл бұрын
Thinking rather than ahhhhhhhhh a more elegant option for a more civilized age
@ultrabigfella 3 жыл бұрын
@@King_of_Calcium what?
@joepapa2395 3 жыл бұрын
I think what I dislike the most is them swinging swords like baseball bats.
@gaziasker7683 2 жыл бұрын
Psssst original trilogy did the exact same thing you know
@dangerdash4393 2 жыл бұрын
@@gaziasker7683 Huh? OT is literally based on traditional swordsmanship.
@zerreinatsu2483 2 жыл бұрын
@@gaziasker7683 the OT is like a real duel, in PT its flashy, in ST they made it look like lightsabers are fucking heavy
@theemperorofdrifts5854 2 жыл бұрын
@@zerreinatsu2483 but the prequels actually showcase how Jedi would fight imo. Fast, like a dance and not comparable with real swordsmanship. Cuz Jedi can predict the future. Especially in the duel between anakin and Obiwan they both knew exactly what the opponent would do cuz they were brothers and fighting and training together for ages. In the OT Luke is nowhere near his prime. Look at legends (which ofcourse is sometimes a bit extreme at how powerful Luke becomes) but it showcases how strong he gets. And Luke was fighting with a lot of emotions. Vs Vader.
@zerreinatsu2483 2 жыл бұрын
@@theemperorofdrifts5854 yep, thats what I really like about the prequels, the lightsaber duels
@vDREEGONv Жыл бұрын
This fight legitimately makes me mad. It's an absolute disgrace to Star Wars and whoever greenlighted it has a gigantic lack of respect for the franchise. Absolutely unacceptable and disgusting.
@iwontreacttoyourinformatio2029 Жыл бұрын
Jeez alright then
@GeneraIGrievous. 10 ай бұрын
agreed
@yoshiki7757 10 ай бұрын
Genuinely get help. If you have this poor of a life perspective (nevermind just being wrong about the scene), you need professional help. But if you're watching content like this, you're probably well beyond any actual help.
@somerandomdude8399 9 ай бұрын
@@yoshiki7757Nah. This fight scene was an insult not only to Star Wars fans but even average movie goers. You being totally fine with absolute shit is not the problem of other commenters. 🤷♂️
@yoshiki7757 9 ай бұрын
@@somerandomdude8399 jesus christ I can't imagine being capable of writing out something so pathetic. Just how small is your penis?
@illusionaryheart3325 Жыл бұрын
The comparison to little kids intentionally hitting the lightsaber is honestly so accurate.
@Ughstopped 4 ай бұрын
Its almost like one character is a rage filled (*checks notes*) child in a mans body and the other is completely new to lightsaber combat and only used a long baton (a swinging weapon) as her main defense before. Crazy what just 2 seconds of plot analysis does, but i get thats too complicated for people with your brain capacity.
@illusionaryheart3325 4 ай бұрын
@Ughstopped That literally only proves the exact opposite. Why would they hold back and aim for where no one even is anymore if they were rage filled or inexperienced? It's not like they were just missing, they were actively making really strange decisions that don't make sense *especially* considering the rage. Maybe you should do another couple of seconds of thinking before calling someone else stupid. Or has Disney's dick gone so far down your throat you stopped thinking properly? How do their boots taste?
@PoorBoyProductions660 3 ай бұрын
@@Ughstopped Then why did snokes highly trained guard lose to them? If you think about the production as a whole and not the plot itself you understand why it sucks
@farrex0 5 күн бұрын
@@Ughstopped Explaining why it's bad doesn't make it good. If it was intentionally made bad, that doesn't make it good either. it just means it is bad by design and doesn't change the fact that it is bad either way. Also, it doesn't explain why the guard is so terrible. They are supposed to be the best of the best, yet most mistakes come from them. And even then, if you grab a random person, even if you grab a 50 year old person that has never done anything physical their entire life. You give him a lightsaber and he has to fight for his life against that guard... I guarantee you that even this random person, would know they have to attack the actual person and not their weapons. Even the worst of the worst, would know not to attack the weapons. So even if I grant you everything, you are still wrong.
@yvancholy7700 3 жыл бұрын
1 Imperial Royal Guard: Literally held off an army of 500 Stormtroopers and like 50 AT-STs by himself in the comics. 8 Praetorian Guards (supposedly even more skilled): Beaten by a dessert hobo with no training and a talentless dark Anakin
@ct-117 3 жыл бұрын
On the topic of Rey being a desert hobo, why doesn't she look like one? When we first meet her in TFA, she doesn't look at all malnourished or ragged from her years in the desert. Also she's far too trusting for somebody from a dog-eat-dog planet like Jakku.
@rendros88 3 жыл бұрын
god you EU nerds are insufferable
@pantherapardus1398 3 жыл бұрын
Hey what's that supposed to mean ?
@molalla2546 3 жыл бұрын
It means that was if you like the Expanded Universe you are annoying
@goldedrag111 3 жыл бұрын
@@molalla2546 Seriously?
@randomcat2968 3 жыл бұрын
Conspiracy theory: snokes guards are random stormtroopers with no training
@ph4ntom_39 3 жыл бұрын
Haha
@BruceWayne-fj9bm 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t be so insulting. The Stormtrooper, my man TR8R, who whooped Finn’s butt would defeat everyone in that room.
@MrTaylorAries 3 жыл бұрын
That would be valid seeing how snoke is not a sith and was just a farce for Sidious to manipulate kylo
@erikdayne5429 3 жыл бұрын
The people who wrote the sequel trilogy are random stormtroopers with no training
@tantris2876 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not trained in fighting but even I know to aim.
@Elysium4 8 ай бұрын
The throne room fight was really weird for me, because on first watching, especially in the theater, it felt incredible and engrossing, and on later rewatches you realize just how watered down it all feels. They make out the Praetorian Guard to be these combat gods who could go toe to toe with Jedi without issue, but they ended up feeling really hollow in retrospect. They're cooler and more interesting design wise than Palpatine's Royal Guard, but their fight scene is just so rife with issues that all it amounts to is ankle deep spectacle with little else to offer.
@GuardianOwl 2 ай бұрын
That’s because nearly any movie or TV fight scene you start slowing down to search for seams and cracks in the choreography results in you, duh, finding the seams and cracks in the choreography. You find things like Luke’s fingers peaking out after his hand gets chopped off in ESB. Luke whiffing a kick in ROTJ when fighting on the barge. Darth Maul’s lightsaber switching hands between shots in TPM so that Kenobi doesn’t chop off his own arm when he jumps up at him at the end of the fight. And so on. RJ could have chopped up the fight into pieces with a million quick cuts to remove all the flaws, but he would rather have the flourish of the long takes even if it came out imperfect.
@emptylanternmedia2248 2 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem with this fight is everyone is aiming to for their opponents weapon instead of striking to kill and at the worst of times they aim above their opponent ... ive seen fan films with better choreography ryan vs dorkman 2 ring a bell
@Daniel_Huffman Жыл бұрын
Speaking of which, this film totally stole the lightsaber tug-of-war from the first RvD.
@foxhoundslug 7 ай бұрын
but the phantom menace fights are the same way. and in fact, unless you want to maime your actors when they're fighting, that's actully what you should do
@Tamachii12 6 ай бұрын
@@foxhoundslug A hint, they aren't, don't compare the PM fights with this crap.
@vaadwilsla858 5 ай бұрын
Bruh at the start the guards in the back are just standing in their place doing stupid flips and spins. That's a level of retardedness I thought we'd never see in this franchise.
@easternlights3155 2 жыл бұрын
All the sequel trilogy fights have the vibe of kids swinging sticks on the playground. Heck, I've had stick fights with higher stakes, because even as kids we'd get emotional sometimes and actually swing to hit.
@ZXPhazze 2 жыл бұрын
Rey and Luke literally fought with sticks in one scene. I mean they had the chance to use the coolest weapon of all time and they made one scene with sticks, other scene with Hammil stunt not fighting, the throne room scene with generic energy weapons, and the Knights of Ren vs Kylo with more generic blades. What a waste of our time.
@windghost2 2 жыл бұрын
What about Finn vs FN-2199 and Finn vs Kylo Ren? Both of those fights had the high stakes and the weight behind each swing. Finn vs Kylo Ren especially had an emotional weight behind it.
@ZXPhazze 2 жыл бұрын
@@windghost2 I agree, Finn facing Kylo Ren out of pure will was the best moment in TFA and I would say my favorite moment in the sequels, it was pathetic the way rian treated him in VIII.
@xSharpW 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZXPhazze I agree, Finn was supposed to be an intriguing character. "Whoa a possibly force sensitive storm trooper? That's crazy I can't wait to see how he develops when he recovers from his injuries, I'm sure there'll be a small timeskip between movies." and then nope, Rian rejected everything TFA set up for him in order to "subvert expectations". And then when J.J. went back to finish off the trilogy he had to just work with what Rian had done and it's just sad.
@enlightenmentdoesntcomeeas5337 Жыл бұрын
The old lightsaber fights show how deadly and quick they are especially in the PT. Then the ST introduced the baseball bat style of fighting.
@rytlocknroll 3 жыл бұрын
This fight makes the Power Ranger fight’s look amazing.
@thorodinson1933 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t diss the power rangers‼️
@kreigguardsman3355 2 жыл бұрын
Power rangers is actual competent fighters
@rytlocknroll 2 жыл бұрын
@@kreigguardsman3355 competent in… making it look like the Rangers were actually striking their targets?
@Randy_kit28 2 жыл бұрын
I dont know about you,but i like it (power rangers fight)
@codafett 2 жыл бұрын
Don't you dare insult power rangers
@Elysium4 8 ай бұрын
7:58 Could you imagine how a fight like this would have looked with peak Vader? Just as they assume combat stance each one of them is forcibly frozen and lifted by their throats as Vader nonchalantly turns around, before closing his fist and letting them all drop to the floor, completely lifeless. Cool lightsaber fights can be awesome, but sometimes a display of unmatched force power can do so much more.
@Swiftbow 6 ай бұрын
Well, when I watched this, I thought these dudes were the Knights of Ren. Because those guys had literally never been seen on screen, so who else would they be? But no, they're just random dudes and ultimately just there to kill time. Like everything else in this movie. God, these movies were just made by complete hacks.
@VeryProfessionalGamer 10 күн бұрын
@@Swiftbow I love how they mentioned these guys like once or twice and then NEVER did anything with them. Instead we get casino-planet...
@PhliFlaVlog 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to talk to one of the vfx people that worked on this scene. Even on the vfx there is stuff wrong like for example: In 7:54 Kylos arm is behind his body, but the lightsaber blade is in front of him. It's hilarious, but there is no way stuff like that gets missed in post, so they probably thought: He needs to have some sort of cover while he gets attacked. "Lets put the blade in front of him even though it makes zero sense. Noone will notice" xD
@wardragon9438 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately it did in this movie
@internetguyperson Жыл бұрын
I’ve watched that clip several times now, he is point long his blade in front of his body. His arm being at his side would not interfere with him doing this. I don’t understand what the complaint is here.
@PhliFlaVlog Жыл бұрын
The blade looks like he is pointing it in front of his body. In fact he is holding the prop at his side as well. You can see that in the way his hand holds the saber and also considering, that if this was correct he should have cut his leg off.
@SRACHER Жыл бұрын
Oh my god really. The amount of VFX issues there are in the prequels is laughable. But you would never mention that would you?
@notevenhuman8141 Жыл бұрын
Its a cool optical illusion but you can tell he has it in a reverse grip to begin with
@theretarbconsultant5469 3 жыл бұрын
Throne Scene: **Flopped** Luke’s Hallway Scene: *So anyways…I started shitting on the sequels*
@rafaelc.c. 3 жыл бұрын
It has kinda the same mistakes. Djarin against the death droids and against Esposito's character are bad choreographed battles too. It seems they never learn. Well, TCW season 7 (and the few battles Rebels had) did really well.
@JamesTobiasStewart 3 жыл бұрын
@@rafaelc.c. I didn't mind that as much, because the wild swinging Gideon used was logical for his character, he's a Moff not a Sith and is using raw aggression to compensate for a lack of skill.
@aytony4090 3 жыл бұрын
That last episode is shit anyways. Only good part was Luke taking the kid away so the abysmal show would finally come to an end. I will give it one thing though. The greatest laugh I've ever had was when Boba put that armor on and it only reached like halfway over his gut. Even the actor couldn't give a crap to get in shape.
@rafaelc.c. 3 жыл бұрын
@@aytony4090 Right.
@user-vy7xo8kg8d 3 жыл бұрын
@@aytony4090 Did anyone ask?
@hgun5107 4 жыл бұрын
Rey: has a hard time fighting snokes twirling elite guards yoda: just destroys palpatines royal guards instantly with the force yoda: couldn't kill palpatine Rey: kills palpatine with his own lightning *WHAT*
@mysticpuca2109 4 жыл бұрын
Mace could have done that
@benny212th4 4 жыл бұрын
It’s the bull shit Mary sue
@zzuklaa5699 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Palpatine got cocky. Rey did nothing but reflect it.
@mysticpuca2109 4 жыл бұрын
Leo no but he did reflect his lightning longer then Rey and then he was kinda just like meh I won’t die no more I’m weak anakin help
@jotteredits 3 жыл бұрын
@Leo no he didn't let him win its mace's lightsaber combat form that allows him to reflect dark side abilities back onto the user
@joeker5208 8 ай бұрын
Now you’re just nitpicking. Rey clearly deleted that guard’s weapon with the Force
@elgusaniiiodeljuego6823 4 ай бұрын
She probably sent it somewhere else😅 🤷♀️
@jonathanwat8567 Жыл бұрын
What happened is Rey is so powerful in the force that she subconsciously used her Jedi mind tricks to trick the guards into spinning pointlessly
@RDeathmark 4 жыл бұрын
Did anyone ever notice this? Me: *laughs in shadiversity*
@conradmonson30 4 жыл бұрын
Shadiversity absolutely murdered this fight scene. That video was great
@williama2349 4 жыл бұрын
Shad is great! Somebody get that man a real lightsaber!!!
@RDeathmark 3 жыл бұрын
@@rasputin15832 but why?
@RDeathmark 3 жыл бұрын
@@rasputin15832 cool, good for you, I strongly disagree, I have no interest in convincing you something you like sucks.
@saltycandy245 3 жыл бұрын
@@RDeathmark Huh, I expected things to go South once someone said they liked TLJ, 'grats for not being as immature as other people seem to be
@jyrlan2596 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't there an interview with the stunt coordinator where he basically says that Ridley was too unathletic for him to incorporate anything advanced into her choreography? Compare that to Ewan and Haden who were essentially in peak physical condition and trained for hours every day for their fights? I bet the stunt coordinator's opinion wasn't even consulted during casting
@sriganeshthota4918 2 жыл бұрын
they should have used a stunt double if she isnt capable of but instead they opt to ruin lightsaber fights.
@weavercs4014 2 жыл бұрын
@@sriganeshthota4918 could just give her a more passive and defensive role in the battle. Hell, even have her thrown around and basically defeated, it would be more realistic to then have an actually trained fighter like kylo save her
@rumit7338 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have a link for the interview or remember which outlet postet it?
@filip_pnt_1714 2 жыл бұрын
@@weavercs4014 it would, but then u realise that the one who takes care of star wars is a raging retarded feminist who does not understand a the story and turns it in to a huge scale woman power comercial
@JacksonSam 2 жыл бұрын
@@weavercs4014 Nah, Kylo be busy impaling the grounds with his lightsaber, they both can barely win the fight without Plot Armor
@juancabardo21 9 ай бұрын
That idea of Kylo freezing the guards in place while he cuts through them with his blade is such a badass thought
@neo-luddismrules 8 ай бұрын
What I've noticed is that modern Star Wars fights look more like the blades are both going to the same point to meet one another, not to block or attack, but to just meet there.
@toasttitan3253 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve always said that the perfect metaphor for the sequels is Kylo’s helmet in TFA it starts off as a clear imitation but it’s still solid enough to grow into its own identity then TLJ completely shatters any and all plans they may have had to begin with and TROS is forced to pick up the pieces to try and fix it and salvage it but you can clearly see that the damage is already and permanently done
@HufflepuffDaddy 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, that's a brilliant metaphor!
@benjaminjane93 2 жыл бұрын
Say what you willl about the sequels (I certainly can, they're awful), but Adam Driver carried that whole thing on his surprisingly swole shoulders.
@HufflepuffDaddy 2 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminjane93 agreed. As the years go by, Adam Driver's portrayal of Kylo Ren will be recognized as understated genius.
@AchedSphinx 2 жыл бұрын
why did they change directors for the last jedi? seems like having the same director for all three movies would have at least made the trilogy more cohesive.
@nickm8874 2 жыл бұрын
This narrative is garbage. Im sorry. I enjoyed episode 7 the first time round, also, but it’s very clear now that JJ had no idea where to take any of those “mystery boxes.” Rhian is a hack, but he’s not the only one to blame. Even if JJ had all three movies, he was stilling “LOSTing” us
@brandonhawkins6798 3 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for Adam driver, cos he actually a really good actor and although he probably played the most developed character in the squalls.. It was still an angry baby man with a glow stick.. I kinda feel he got delt a real bad hand bc I think he actually played his part really well. He's also really good in other movie so
@laggydim5000 3 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, *squalls*
@branlex1315 2 жыл бұрын
Same, the actors are not the problem with the sequels, its the horrible plot
@manz7860 2 жыл бұрын
Who ever casted him it was a horrible choice. He's too soft looking for me to take him seriously as a villain. At the very least they shouldve made more of a distinction between Ben and kylo
@cadeclark 2 жыл бұрын
@@manz7860 that’s the point though he isn’t a villain he’s just trying to be one and his appearance of looking soft aids in the perspective of him trying to be one when everyone knows he’s not and he is good.
@manz7860 2 жыл бұрын
@@cadeclark kylo. The dude who's slaughtered helpless villages and killed his own father.....isn't a bad person because he has a pretty boy face? Smh.
@benofcosmos2029 2 жыл бұрын
What could have been a nice alteration in my opinion, that in the scene with Prunehead, that Ben actually killed Rey, which then would set up Bens questioning of his own actions, which by the final film would have resolved in him trying to establish communication with the rebels in ways of helping them taking out Prunehead, which then would become the Rise of "Skywalker"ish. Maybe... It is just an idea I got.
@notevenhuman8141 Жыл бұрын
Holy-- that would have been amazing! It would seriously throw the audience off and legitimately throw the Resistance's fate into question instead of the usual mentality of "bad guy winning but good guy have plot armour". Even better point: Rey can't come back as a Force Ghost at that point because Luke never taught her! Would Finn take up the mantle? Would Kylo regret his actions? Would Finn even use the Force, or just a lightsaber and blaster? That would be really interesting if Finn was never a Force user, but just a good fighter and can outsmart Kylo...
@FittedSheetGaming Жыл бұрын
I can't believe that he expected her to take the first day learning the "training rock" scene but she "picked it up quick" she was fr just moving it back and forth
@SpaceMonkeyBoi 3 жыл бұрын
Imperial Guard: "who are you?" Praetorian Guard: "I'm you but worse in nearly every conceivable way"
@joeyk107 3 жыл бұрын
All guards best to worst: Shadow Guards Royal Guards Senate Guards Gamorrean Guards Literally any other type of guard Praetorian Guards
@joshcook6431 2 жыл бұрын
@@joeyk107 ooof below Gammorean, that's rough... But true
@michaelarias3310 2 жыл бұрын
Praetorian guards are my favorite I don't care if they're weaker than the Royal guards they're still better in my opinion
@michaelarias3310 2 жыл бұрын
I hate people saying one f****** royal guard could take down all of those guys I mean yes stop freaking overestimating them
@michaelarias3310 2 жыл бұрын
I believe if it was a 1v1 the royal guard would win but I feel like the praetorian would at least put up a fight
@darthmalgus9267 4 жыл бұрын
4:10 I used to have these lightsaber fights with my brother when we were younger, it´s actually one of my favorite childhood memories, but now that I think about it, given that we are brothers, we didnt try to hit the lightsaber most of the time, we tried hitting the body and I think that was actually a good choice because the fights felt so much more real, as they more or less were real. Thank you Star Wars for giving us an excuse to beat each other with plastic sticks.
@DraknightDragon 3 жыл бұрын
@The Leaprachaun grievous took it
@trollkenobi6727 3 жыл бұрын
you mean “Thank you Disney”
@darthmalgus9267 3 жыл бұрын
@@trollkenobi6727 No, not Disney, this was before Disney took over.
@basketballplayer82 3 жыл бұрын
@@darthmalgus9267 Look at his or her name
@darthmalgus9267 3 жыл бұрын
@@basketballplayer82 oh, oh no, I have been tricked
@nrcnickc 2 жыл бұрын
When Kylo stabs the ground for no reason at 0:37
@Steel-101 2 жыл бұрын
Dude I completely lost it with your description of those plastic light saber toys. “ those things hurt” they did Man, they sure did! lol 😆
@captainrex7261 3 жыл бұрын
this scene in a nutshell: "BEYBLADE BEYBLADE LET IT RIP"
@theoriginalman9426 3 жыл бұрын
Let's fight, an epic battle
@thefatuiagent8975 3 жыл бұрын
good point, it should just be a beyblade battle
@johnnyfroggo7361 3 жыл бұрын
Reyblade Reyblade!
@thefatuiagent8975 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ethanphetamine No No, hes got a point
@maheerfaisal8242 2 жыл бұрын
@@Ethanphetamine you are right
@goldedrag111 3 жыл бұрын
Anakin vs Obi-Wan is the best duel.
@stefanlaskowski6660 3 жыл бұрын
It was too long and lacked tension since we already knew Obi-Wan won.
@Austique-_- 3 жыл бұрын
@@stefanlaskowski6660 that’s what made it prefect mostly all the battles only last like 3 minutes this lasted almost 10
@Austique-_- 3 жыл бұрын
@@stefanlaskowski6660 besides it switching to yoda and papltine then back to anakin and obi wan was just so good
@joeyk107 3 жыл бұрын
Luke vs vader in rotj is the best imo
@goldedrag111 3 жыл бұрын
@@joeyk107 Emotionally? Maybe.
@NEEDABETTERNAMEYT Жыл бұрын
7:12 i was brushing my teeth and spit out the toothpaste all over the place from laughing thank you
@cinful1 Жыл бұрын
All these years later and I’ll still never get over Rey force summoning and wounding Kylo on her first outing with a lightsaber she was never trained to use.
@omicron2018 8 ай бұрын
Exactly! Rey was ridiculously overpowered, considering her lack of training. But Kylo Ren - trained since he was a child by Luke Skywalker himself - looked only slightly more adept with a lightsaber than Mando.
@cinful1 8 ай бұрын
@@omicron2018 yes. Trained, yet has an unstable saber and swings wildly like he's wielding a chainsaw
@boomerboi9642 3 жыл бұрын
I still to this day believe high ground is the most epic battle yet
@apxtra4649 3 жыл бұрын
Fax
@pramukrujirek2810 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah 😊
@jonahhumfleet472 2 жыл бұрын
Idk Yoda verses dooku is pretty good
@jonahhumfleet472 2 жыл бұрын
Idk Yoda v dooku was pretty great lol
@kanpuriyakaaphal 2 жыл бұрын
Find someone who doesn't, now that'd be a surprise
@sharko4093 3 жыл бұрын
The reason for the Guards' armor's "selective effectiveness" is because apparently they can resist strikes from the side of a lightsaber's blade but not direct stabs.. For some reason
@gnammyhamster9554 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair a stab has more piercing power
@sharko4093 3 жыл бұрын
@@gnammyhamster9554 Yeah, I'm fairly sure that was the reason they gave for it in some visual dictionary or something.
@beng4ll967 3 жыл бұрын
@@gnammyhamster9554 that doesn’t explain shit. If you try to stab someone in full steel armor with a sword, your sword will just slide off
@sharko4093 3 жыл бұрын
@@beng4ll967 Yes, but that's metal swords against metal armor. This is a sword made of thousand degree energy against armor made from a fictional material
@sharko4093 3 жыл бұрын
@@rainbow_vader As far as I know, it's more of an achievement that they had any lightsaber resistant properties, I'm fairly sure that's a highly rare thing for any material to have, let alone an entire suit of armor
@mikeslovak5589 2 жыл бұрын
This is the worst fight in star wars The rise of skywalker palpatine fight scene: hold my teleporting lightsaber
@markc9847 8 ай бұрын
I learned at a young age, that when the Hero is outnumbered in a fight, the enemies will run in and out and in circles to make it look like everyone is attacking. This was done a lot in Power Rangers. I am glad that I came across this video, bc although this is true they could of done a much better job of cleaning it up or doing more retakes.
@jonathonmohammed1671 2 жыл бұрын
George Lucas poured his heart and soul into his movies. The dueling scenes for Star Wars is part of what makes Star Wars so special and for Disney to f*** it up says alot.
@bliots8369 2 жыл бұрын
i wish we got a george lucas sequel so bad just to see where he went with it and how he concluded the most popular movie franchise in cinema history
@GuestGaming88 2 жыл бұрын
@@bliots8369 George Lucas actually had a sequel trilogy planned which would be Luke rebuilding the jedi order, the empire has crumbled, maul controlling crime and Leia struggling to take down maul and his crime which would have been so much better(I suck at explaining so just look it up for a better grasp of what it would be)
@bliots8369 2 жыл бұрын
@@GuestGaming88 that sounds so cool! I just hate how they brought back Palpatine out of nowhere, essentially disregarding Anakin's sacrifice and the prophecy just to have him be killed by Rey reflecting his own lightning back at him... like how is that more effective than being thrown down a reactor core and exploding?
@GuestGaming88 2 жыл бұрын
@@bliots8369 ikr
@sense6552 2 жыл бұрын
Bro the last lightsaber battle in episode 2 is awful what are you talking about
@empress9554 3 жыл бұрын
Visually, very cool 10/10, detail wise however 0/10 it’s the worst.
@gangstamuffiin2630 3 жыл бұрын
exactly.
@FerunaLutelou 3 жыл бұрын
The colors, effects and music are great, but thats the only good things that can be said about this scene.
@camulodunon 3 жыл бұрын
@@FerunaLutelou I think the only really big problem is the terrible, plot-armor-infused choreography. But that one problem ends up making the entire scene look laughable once you are aware of it.
@filipkolasny908 3 жыл бұрын
That's basically the only thing that the sequels have, amazing visuals and cinematography
@twitterybug7169 3 жыл бұрын
Just like the Darth Maul fight in Ep. I
@robertcollinsworth9113 4 ай бұрын
I can't see any scene with an imperial guard without, "Hey, Crayola!" going through my head. Thanks Adult Swim!
@screamingclown25 Жыл бұрын
9:20 it’s forbidden to turn your lightsaber off and back on again during a fight to get an advantage on your enemy. This is a know thing between both Jedi and Sith. The Jedi see it as unsportsmanlike. And the sith see it as being week. They probably don’t even know that though
@burnout3373 Жыл бұрын
I saw a Tiktok about that a few weeks ago, but I am also a complete normie lol
@notevenhuman8141 Жыл бұрын
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not quite. It gets mentioned in the Jedi Path book, which is deemed canon as far as I'm aware
@screamingclown25 Жыл бұрын
@@notevenhuman8141 👎
@Goremejy 9 ай бұрын
Who the fuck cares about being “sportsmanlike” when your opponent is trying to kill you?
@izira6351 9 ай бұрын
@@Goremejy people with pride obviously, some people would rather die than break their personal codes
@Henry14arsenal2007 3 жыл бұрын
Tbh prequel duels had tons of intentional misses and aiming for the blade, but yeah, they were done in good taste and never were this kind of a dogshit mess.
@randomlygeneratedname 3 жыл бұрын
Theres intentional missing then theres actors missing there timing forcing others to intentionally miss
@maxmcvey8425 3 жыл бұрын
Also a LOT of the techniques in the prequels are actually practical Shadaversity breaksdown Anakin vs Obi-Wan and goes into detail plus yknow there was the lightsaber fighting techniques. And the fights are so fast and well done you cant even tell
@danielboyle1647 3 жыл бұрын
@@maxmcvey8425 he broke down this fight as well and basically went into much more detail though this video said exactly what he said but 5x quicker
@BruceWayne-fj9bm 3 жыл бұрын
Lightsaber fighting has actual forms. For example Obi-Wan and Anakin both standing each other spinning their blades, purposefully missing each other was lightsaber form combat looking for openings.
@albedo5455 3 жыл бұрын
@Jon Yeah the fight is wonky but that can be attributed to Vader and Obi-Wan being old men who can't do flips and being the first movie in the saga. TLJ has no excuse since they've had 40 years to improve the duels. Instead, we get the worst aspects of the originals and the prequels. Edit: Also, your comment is literally whataboutism, a logical fallacy.
@johnamos7082 4 жыл бұрын
Also, wouldn’t the saber have to start behind Snoke when its turned on and then be pulled in front for his whole body to come clean off? There’s no way the saber is the exact thickness of Snokes body and if it started behind him, he would’ve heard it turn on before looking so shocked he’s been stabbed
@ultrabigfella 3 жыл бұрын
What?
@johnamos7082 3 жыл бұрын
@@ultrabigfella If you watch the part in the movie where Snoke gets cut in half - When the lightsaber is turned on it is in Snokes hand in front of him, for him to have been cut in half the lightsaber would have had to start behind him and be pulled forward unless the lightsaber is the perfect width of Snokes body and somehow was turned on directly in the middle... surely Snoke would have noticed the lightsaber turn on behind him on the arm rest and got off his seat before it got moved forward to cut him in half
@ultrabigfella 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnamos7082 I mean, if at least like 50 percent of his body was cut the rest would crumple giving the illusion of it cutting him in half.
@cobussy 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been wondering about that since I watched it, the saber is at most around the middle of snokes body, nowhere near the back. I get it was a cool shot but there was no reason he should’ve been cut in half.
@johnamos7082 3 жыл бұрын
@@ultrabigfella He is literally split into two, our bodies aren’t like tree branches they don’t just snap off when a certain percentage of it is cut through, skin is more elastic-like for that 😂
@ntfoperative9432 6 ай бұрын
My best guess for 6:30 is that Daisy was supposed to move to block that hit, but missed her cue, and the dude had an “oh sh*t” moment and quickly corrected to not hit her
@channelofmojos2779 8 ай бұрын
The funny thing about the Holdo maneuver is it's insanely reckless. Thanks to the High Republic books we know what happens to ships destroyed in hyperspace. If any of her ship made it I to hyperspace proper then bits of it will be re-emerging in a swath at near light speeds. A metal strut glancing the edge of a planet wiped out a mega city.
@jacearmor5274 2 жыл бұрын
6:35 He didn't just swing and miss, he literally stopped one of the other guards' weapon. As someone who wants to learn swordfighting, this is depressing. Edit, nevermind he brought it up.
@samrittenhouse2534 Жыл бұрын
Lol I know nothing about propee sword fighting but pretty sure they hired expert sword fighters for phantom menace. Yeah these battles literally do seem like *kid battles where you just smack each other's weapons, he's so right.
@renegadeyoshi341 3 жыл бұрын
8:40 "Kylo goes from freezing a blaster bolt in midair to struggling against the 3 blind mice " 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Cloperella 8 ай бұрын
10:15 You forgot to mention the best part. The guy who lost his left weapon is using his right weapon to try and cut her neck, which she's holding back by gripping his wrist. She gets the clever idea to let go of the lightsaber so she can drop and catch it, but that means the guy just *let her do it* . He for no reason stopped trying to slice her throat, and instead just kind of let go and watched her drop, only for her to catch her lightsaber and cut him.
@iceman10129 Жыл бұрын
"Why does Snoke need guards with melee weapons" (Pulp Fiction lost gif/meme). Ohhhhhh he didn't see the original trilogy. This makes more sense now.
@hanshotlast Жыл бұрын
The royal guards had blasters as well
@tophue7051 3 жыл бұрын
Disney: you've heard of stormtroopers, but have you heard of *melee stormtroopers* ?
@serphosi 3 жыл бұрын
6:34 Daisy Ridley missed her cue, she was supposed to be already ducking and the guy didn't wanna whack her upside the head.
@noob-mn1wd 2 жыл бұрын
And they said...this actors actresses are NOT bad...
@fabi3790 2 жыл бұрын
@@noob-mn1wd mistakes can happen More shit is that they didn't redo it when someone fuckes up a bit
@PiperAtTheGatesOfYourMom 2 жыл бұрын
Sheesh, THAT is the worst one. My god… there was 0 Quality Control for these movies 😂
@EroSennin404 2 жыл бұрын
A stormtrooper noticed this... and they miss everything ... (heh)
@Imhungry36 2 жыл бұрын
WHY DIDN'T THEY DO ANOTHER TAKE!?
@mikaelgrande6968 Жыл бұрын
The spear dude gets me every time, it’s just like, “ah crap I missed, silver AWAY!”
@cadefallon9854 2 жыл бұрын
There’s also a part right near the disappearing blade where Rey is holding back they guys arm. She lets go to catch the saber she dropped but the guards knife doesn’t go right into her face like it should have.
@berryhops 3 жыл бұрын
Imagine if they retcon this, some random unknown jedi in the background was actually toying with the guards while they were fighting without them knowing
@gnammyhamster9554 3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't a random jedi, it was Darth Jar Jar
@lisaruhm6681 3 жыл бұрын
Or retcon it, to be Lukes doing...
@TheEmc2000 4 жыл бұрын
I knew this fight scene had complete fuck ups and mistakes that were missed but by god I didn’t know it was this bad
@ZayJayPlays Жыл бұрын
"I'm the worst Lightsaber fight in Star Wars." The Golak Bandits: "Hold my beer."
@MaxwellAerialPhotography 8 ай бұрын
Went to private daycare when I was a kid. The kids of the woman who ran were close to my brother and I in age, and were also massive start wars fans, so we started a little jedi lightsaber academy. We did not hold back with those plastic lightsabers, we beaned the crap out of each other. Parents just got used to their kids coming home from that daycare with lightsaber blade shaped bruises on their hands arms and legs. One of the best parts of my childhood.
@shadowking9739 3 жыл бұрын
I've trained in sword-fighting (particularly German fencing) and TLJ throne room fight is just laughable to me. The characters treat their lightsabers (which are laser-SWORDS) like clubs and just swing them around while hoping that they hit something. People like to simplify sword-fighting but there's actually a lot of stances and footwork involved.
@dangerdash4393 3 жыл бұрын
I've heard that Luke's flurry of swings at the end of RotJ is actually based on German Longswordsmanship, even using a key stance as he's pushing up on Vader. Is there any truth to this?
@shadowking9739 3 жыл бұрын
@@dangerdash4393 It's been awhile since I last saw RotJ but I do recall seeing Luke using what is known as "Vom Tach" ("from the roof") and "Ochs" ("ox"), both of which are stances/attacks in German fencing.
@stephanlasley5781 2 жыл бұрын
@@shadowking9739 not to mention that in light saber combat the best way to use a light ehem SABER is exactly like a SABER. There’s no point in using heavy strikes really as it’s not really damaging the blades effectiveness nor is it making the cut on the opponent more effective. If you drop a saber on top of someone’s head it’ll go right through them with no effort whatsoever. Where as a normal blade, taking a light hit to the knuckles isn’t the end of the world but certainly painful, in light saber combat that’s the loss of your fingers.
@shadowking9739 2 жыл бұрын
@@stephanlasley5781 Excellent points!
@glens2019 2 жыл бұрын
And the handling is largely different given all the weight of a lightsaber is just the handle and yet they swing them like heavy bats.
@elitegamer9310 3 жыл бұрын
When I first saw this scene, I was too busy thinking "why did they kill off Snoke?", than to pay attention to this fight.
@windghost2 3 жыл бұрын
I was mad Snoke was killed off so early in TLJ. I wanted to know more about him and see what would happen with him in Episode 9. Guess we’ll never know....
@citizenvulpes4562 3 жыл бұрын
@@windghost2 we do know, he was a failed clone of palps that palps used to rule the first order while he recovered in another clone body.
@windghost2 3 жыл бұрын
@@citizenvulpes4562 Sorry should've clarified. I was mad that he was killed off in TLJ and then I got even angrier when it was revealed that he was a clone of Palps in TROS. Like there were books talking about how powerful and crazy evil this dude was for like 2 years before episode 8, then he's killed in TLJ and THEN he's a damn clone of DJ Palpy! Like I wanted him to be a new character someone we didn't know and someone we would learn more about in the next two movies, I was honestly disappointed that we never got that.
@markwilson4686 3 жыл бұрын
@@windghost2 actually it's worse than that. There's apparently a new comic in which it's heavily implied that Snoke is a clone made from Luke's hand, and that's the least worse reveal in the comic.
@windghost2 3 жыл бұрын
@@markwilson4686 Are you serious? What the hell?! That’s terrible!
@batredingin 6 ай бұрын
Now I'm convinced that the guards are forced to put into a helmet that they can't even see through it
@O1OO1O1 Жыл бұрын
Also, why isn't that Kylo's lightsaber can pier straight through their armor, but when they had one of their weapons touching the armor it only sparks and doesn't cut through it, but that weapon is showing also to be able to match a lightsaber and wrap around it?
@presidentezra 4 жыл бұрын
If I had to describe the entire sequel trilogy in one word it would be Meh
@FM_LEGENDARY 3 жыл бұрын
No. It’d be “Bleh”
@FM_LEGENDARY 3 жыл бұрын
@Benjamin Hager It wasn’t alright at all.
@matthewsmorr1 3 жыл бұрын
The prequels got better in time, but these movies are like some b rated sci fi movies with really really high budgets, expensive garbage.
@diganmelaraxd6981 3 жыл бұрын
@@matthewsmorr1 Still having better story than the sequels.
@goodsaint_001 3 жыл бұрын
@@diganmelaraxd6981 Guys it's like how Zack approached Superman and Batman for his films, deconstructing them. That's the same thing Rian did. And why are you still saying its a bad film since they made Luke a coward?
@ElMofo9 2 жыл бұрын
The fight scene was the only part of the movie that I liked, then I decided to rewatch the scene while focusing on each character... I will never be able to unsee that monstrosity
@DatboiDemonX 2 жыл бұрын
If I remember, I read somewhere that someone said the guards actors actually had to do spins and whatnot because Adam and Daisy were slow and awkward during the scene. And I think they were right.
@jamestolbert1856 2 ай бұрын
1:31 “Battle of the Heroes”! Literally one of my favourite fights in all of Star Wars! Two brothers who have known each other their whole lives lives only to be driven apart by their own fears and ideologies.
@afroturtle989 3 жыл бұрын
Yoda: there are 7 forms of lightsaber combat Rey: bottom of ninth, down 3, full count here’s the pitch SWING
@thorodinson1933 2 жыл бұрын
Yoda-900 years old and grand master of the Jedi at peak Rey- JUST started
@Mythmeister 2 жыл бұрын
@@thorodinson1933 I did better with a stick bro
@dangerdash4393 2 жыл бұрын
@@thorodinson1933 Also Rey: Takes down trained dark Jedi DAY ONE. Takes down trained Jedi killers a few days later.
@thorodinson1933 2 жыл бұрын
@@dangerdash4393 technically speaking chewie took kylo down. If Chewie doesn’t shoot kylo, kylo isn’t injured and if kylo isn’t injured Rey gets taken out. Not killed because he wanted her and so did snoke. And are you talking about the guard fight? They’re background characters going against the main characters do you really think they’re going to win? I mean cmon
@dangerdash4393 2 жыл бұрын
@@thorodinson1933 Ren's injury doesn't really hold up though, he takes Finn down with ease, pretty much bored throughout most of the fight. It's the closest he's ever gotten to being like Vader. And he never really loses stamina in dealing with either his or Rey. It's like midway through the fight with Rey, they remember that he's supposed to be seriously injured and struggling to hold himself together. I expected there to be an actual fight. These guys are a far cry from what Ren says about them in the novelization. These guys are supposed to be the biggest threat, and they're mowed down so easily by an unstable dark Jedi and a wannabe baseball player.
@yujabes 3 жыл бұрын
7:03 Everybody runs away from Rey...wtf🤣
@greenblood6186 3 жыл бұрын
xDDD
@tantris2876 2 жыл бұрын
You can’t fight Rey Sue
@pengsarkashandal5814 2 жыл бұрын
If they hurt her, the whole feminist will angry 😡😡
@EMC_ADVENTURES 2 жыл бұрын
that Maul flip tho 1:20
@EMC_ADVENTURES 2 жыл бұрын
oh sorry. wrong time. 1:17
@BustThatNutChallenge 2 жыл бұрын
The scene with the sovereign protectors in episode 9 is even worse like you got guard shooting the ceiling for no reason lol
@andycopeland7051 2 жыл бұрын
Episode II Count Dooku V Obi-Wan & Anakin was a really cool fight--my favorite part was when Anakin takes Kenobi's saber for a little two-handed action. Wish that had lasted longer
@mitocorleone4845 2 жыл бұрын
Way too short. The best part of the sequence was the Yoda fight but even that was short.
@andycopeland7051 2 жыл бұрын
@@mitocorleone4845 indeed! God bless ya
@amethystglare 2 жыл бұрын
That fight looked goofy as hell! It was just twirling their sabers around in the dark!
@nmwk7800 Жыл бұрын
@@amethystglare nah man I have just recently seen an analysis by a professional sword fighter and expert and he actually claimed that the fight and also this around swinging is pretty realistic.
@ezekielalimpia3048 Жыл бұрын
Yess i loved that fight
@TheTrytix 3 жыл бұрын
After having watched Shadiversity's take on both the throne room scene and the Mustafar fight, it's SOOO clear that the fight from Episode 8 was amazingly STUPID. Shad's probably an expert when it comes to sword fighting, and he saw SOOO many flaws with the Throne Room Fight, while getting blown away by how well done the Mustafar fight was choreographed. And seeing this just tells me the same thing. Sure, the choreographer they used for Episode 8 might have been good at his job and all, but they simply did not have the time. Episode 8 was literally put together in a single year because of Bob Iger. And Rian Johnson, who technically is a good director, does not seem to play well with others, and wanted SOOO badly to write SOME form of end to HIS story, that he wrote Star Wars into a corner. Contrasting this is Episode 3. It was Directed by George Lucas himself, who made sure the story would fit well into the Original trilogy, and follow the rules of Star Wars etc. Making us love characters such as Obi-Wan and Palpatine even more than we already did. And that movie was made over several years. The results are clear as crystal. Making a big block buster movie in a single year is a bad idea. YOU HEAR ME, BOB IGER?!? IT'S A BAD IDEA!!!
@xblgamerftw 2 жыл бұрын
hello there. nice to see another shad fan on the web! :D
@TheTrytix 2 жыл бұрын
@@xblgamerftw Hey, Shad's fun to look at with his castle breakdowns and pop-culture weapon analysises. ^^
@thorodinson1933 2 жыл бұрын
There was an expert in I believe sword fighting on IGN and he watched the sequel fights and said the episode 8 fight looked cool and some of the fighting was well done. People have different opinions, every expert can have difference of opinion because really all this is is people waving a laser sword around. Yes the prequels had training that was intense, the OT had heavy hilts according to mark and OT George wanted a different fighting style, the sequels couldn’t fight like Jedi in the PT because that’s unrealistic because only Luke could teach them combat and he didn’t fight like prequel Jedi. The sequels should’ve fleshed the story out more and taken more time. The fights aren’t nearly as bad as people make it seem, especially when they slow down the fight for some reason to over analyze one split second thing no one would notice otherwise unless you slowed the movie down and looked for mistakes
@bustanut5501 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it was because of Iger that the movie was filmed in one year. It was actually because Rian was just done with it in one year. That's certainly possible, considering he did not rewrite anything in his initial script. Yes, this entire movie is based on Rian's first draft. Nothing was changed.
@gonhunter3994 2 жыл бұрын
@@thorodinson1933 You're really dumb, if you truly think that the ign dude was being honest
@michaelcasey3362 2 жыл бұрын
I used to really like this scene. But you've opened my eyes to its flaws. I'm not sure how I feel about that.
@blokay_garage 2 жыл бұрын
5:32 let’s not forget how Rey kicked FOUR guards at once…
@Irreverent_Radiation 3 жыл бұрын
*Rey used Block* _Guard uses spiny stab_ It's highly ineffective! *Rey uses double attack* _Guard uses spiny slash_ He hit his own friend! _Rey stabs the floor_ *Guard has spun away* You won! 30xp
@theminutemen8817 4 жыл бұрын
The Throne Room Fight Is Worse Than A Power Ranger Fight.
@kryptonianotaku4975 4 жыл бұрын
Davi Fagundes any power Ranger fight is better than the throne room fight
@daniboy4153 3 жыл бұрын
Power Rangers fights at least are more exciting
@soysauce7770 3 жыл бұрын
And you’re assuming power Ranger fights are bad...
@brocksamson7164 3 жыл бұрын
I'll take a Power Ranger fight anyday over this garbage of a supposed fight.
@aineludvicek3170 3 жыл бұрын
Michael jay: I mean, what is he aming for. Me: the fly interupting
@thatvegancreature6547 2 жыл бұрын
I personally know how much those plastic lightsabers hurt, my little brother hit me in the back of the head with one so hard that it snapped in half.
@achillesthesnek4892 Жыл бұрын
5:56 Am I the only one who came back here for every guard that you could see?
@katzekii5715 2 жыл бұрын
Supposedly, the stuntmen kept having to compensate for missed cues and missed timings, so they kept twirling and others to try keep time with cues that were hit. I believe one of the Stuntmen react with the Corridor Crew covers this.
@demi-femme4821 2 жыл бұрын
What the fuck? Literally full of errors and Rian was just like "Yeah, we'll keep that one. It's not like this is a franchise known for its massive, fiercely loyal, and detail-obsessesed fanbase. Nobody will notice."
@kyleharding7040 Жыл бұрын
@@demi-femme4821 I'm pretty sure Johnson is on record saying that he worked hard on and was proud of this fight scene.
@revanruler6404 Жыл бұрын
Yeah the whole " it took them 25 takes so it should be perfect" shows how little he knows about fight choreography, 25 takes is less than à day of shooting iirc Jackie chan had simpler scènes with fewer actors and better trained main actors and it still took months to do one fight scene. 25 takes for such à complex fight might as well be one take
@rowanb4395 Жыл бұрын
@@revanruler6404 Cut together from 25 takes as we can see in what made it to the screen
@ambermueller2327 3 жыл бұрын
Normal Jedi:using the force and different lightsaber forms Rey and Ben Swolo: Swing Swong back and forth like a Ping Pong
@TiddyTwyster 2 жыл бұрын
It would've been really cool to see the force ghosts of all the Jedi with their hands on Rey's back during the final "duel" with palpatine, it would explain why she was so over powered and I think it wouldve been a really cool scene besides Honestly just a few minor changes to the script probably could've salvaged the whole trilogy, may not have made it a success but atleast it wouldn't have been a failure
@monkeybandit4162 Жыл бұрын
And maybe it could be explained that she has a “new” force power, force ghosts can feed her mideclorians or just power in general that she can use. Or she could call upon force ghosts at will, for advice, knowledge, or to say use them in a fight.
@themodernholmes1735 6 ай бұрын
Still better than the Luke vs Kylo Ren "duel" we got in the movie.
@Longshanks1690 4 жыл бұрын
Shadversity: You are strong and wise, Michael, and I am very proud of you.
@masterofraw1175 4 жыл бұрын
don't forget Darth mauler the wise
@dapoox2622 3 жыл бұрын
This fight scene was a pretty damn good idea, and those guards look sick as hell, but it was executed horribly, rey kicks 3 people somehow, the guards spin around for no reason, the guards completely miss all their swings, and a weapon is literally edited out, and I guess rain forgot that Rey and Kylo can use the force because they don't use it once in this fight scene
@thorodinson1933 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe she force kicked three of them at the same time like the excuse they gave Luke when there was an error in his fight
@dapoox2622 2 жыл бұрын
@@thorodinson1933 they are both issues, a force kick is a dumb excuse for both of them
@thorodinson1933 2 жыл бұрын
@@dapoox2622 a force kick is just dumb in general lmao
@dapoox2622 2 жыл бұрын
@@thorodinson1933 of course it is, doesn't make much sense
@thorodinson1933 2 жыл бұрын
@@dapoox2622 but I do believe that with Star Wars you have to let go of logic sometimes if you focus too much on certain things it can kinda ruin something that otherwise is pretty good imo
@gerards.5514 8 ай бұрын
The Darth Maul/Obi-Wan fight also had a dubious moment where Obi-Wan makes a horizontal strike and the Maul stunt man positions his weapon to block it with the center of his weapon, like a good staff fighter would. They edited the video to make the blades meet.
@Swiftbow 6 ай бұрын
That makes sense. A double-bladed sword is basically a quarterstaff in terms of how to fight to with it. It just has blades instead of blunt wood. But yeah... blocking a lightsaber with the middle is going to cut your weapon in half, so...
@braylenozeletele1367 Жыл бұрын
No because when the fight started, it looked like the guards were just fighting each other 😭
@MohammadAliKhalil 3 жыл бұрын
The last Jedi, such a cool name such a shitty movie.. it was literally the end. I was so disappointed and I’m semi easy to please. I loved the prequels, phantom menace and return of the sith were awesome.
@branlex1315 2 жыл бұрын
Same. The Phantom menace had bad things, but its still 100 times better than any of these 3 movies. And Revenge of the Sith is in my opinon epic
@thorodinson1933 2 жыл бұрын
If you loved phantom menace then you are very easy to please
@virgogaming6488 2 жыл бұрын
The Phantom Menace is secretly brilliant. 😉
@DeutscherPatrick 2 жыл бұрын
@@thorodinson1933 it’s a lot better than Aotc tho
@ZXPhazze 2 жыл бұрын
The name was literally click bait.
@DanakarEndeel 3 жыл бұрын
During that throneroom fight that guy you focused on was supposed to swing while Rey was supposed to duck. However, Daisy Ridley apparently/allegedly forgot to duck until a few seconds later so he had to raise his weapon so as not to hit her. However, instead of Daisy forgetting to duck it could also be that the red guard was ahead of the scene by 2s and was too early to strike so he had to swing higher and miss. You can clearly see Rey ducking to avoid a weapon that's not there. She was supposed to duck that swing. But yeah, I blame the director and stunt coordinator. The director should have said "CUT!" and reset the fight while the stunt coordinator should have instructed the actors on proper timing again. Another issue with the red guy who had those two knives. They just edited the other knife out in post because otherwise he would have been in the perfect spot to just stab Rey in the back.
@katrinapaton5283 2 жыл бұрын
See, the problem was they wanted to do as much of the fight with as few cuts as possible. That's damn hard because it requires everyone to be spot on for extended periods of time. Sure, they could have chopped and changed, used stunt doubles and all the rest. But this way you get to see faces, the audience relates to the characters more and the scene should have more impact. Sure, if you want to slow it down to two frames per second you'll get to see all the little mistakes, like the mistimed attack you mention, but at normal speed most people will see what you want them to see.
@deathsinger1192 2 жыл бұрын
@@katrinapaton5283 but, come on, the out-edited knife is a no-go, thats ridiculous!
@katrinapaton5283 2 жыл бұрын
@@deathsinger1192 Yea ok, hard to argye with that.
@bonzwah1 2 жыл бұрын
@@katrinapaton5283 everyone I've talked to said this fight scene sucked. You won't notice EVERY mistake at normal speed...but it's almost impossible to miss all of them, and then BOOM you're out of the scene. The frame by frame analysis isn't where the scene falls apart...it's just necessary to see exactly WHY it falls apart.
@nikotsapaliaris4919 2 жыл бұрын
I love how the guards literally attack each other in this fight, or just throw away their weapons so they can die.
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