as an offroader and LR4 owner, thank you. I LOVE Toyotas and here in Brazil they are seen as the golden standard on reliability, but it's fun to see the look on people's face when they see my green square hunk of metal and leather with over 110k miles on it do the exact same thing their spiced up Hiluxes and SW4's (our version of your 4runners) and trudge on without a single light going up in the dash. Both brands are amazing for their own reason, history and legacy, and I would own a Toyota without thinking twice, but when I had the opportunity of owning a landrover in great shape, I couldn't let it pass. Keep up the amazing work you guys do, congrats on the video AND the channel.

Well said. Individuality should be respected. I love seeing different brands on a trail.

I’ve seen a dozen or more of your videos. This one might be my favorite. I appreciate your good-natured, down to earth perspective on life, trucks and off-roading. Take care!

Stumbled on to your video, from a guy that has an 80 series and a Jeep your page is awesome! Thank you for your honesty and humor!! God bless!

Any 4WD is better than no 4WD. About to take my 1997 Land Rover Discovery into the Australian Outback for the 6th time. It's never let me down. Cheers all.

Great video(s) FED. Thank you for putting this whole thing in perspective. I've owned 4 Toyotas and currently on my 4th. They were reasonably reliable but not trouble free. If I had sufficient money I'd buy a LR product tomorrow; and yes I would know the potential for multiple visits to the dealership. But the joy I'd get out of driving one would, for me, make that risk worthwhile. Oh. Also love your workshop videos. So refreshing to see someone (like most of us) struggling to do the work with limited space, tools and dare I say training. I'm clicking to subscribe!

Great! I'm a Toyota fan myself have an FJ and a GX470 but love Disco's and Defender's too, looking forward to more videos. Enjoy life!

That was awesome, great lesson at the end, we should appreciate the gift of life 🙂❤️👍🏽

Great to hear your comments. I've never owned Toyotas but I bought a 1996 Disco, owned it for 14 years, out 290000 km on it and the only $$$ I spent on it (other than tires, oil chg, etc.) Was rear brakes, front struts, serpantine belt, alternator and water pump. I know the newer ones have a bad rep but I loved my Disco. Now I drive a 2010 Ridgeline and a 2003 E320. Also like both of them.

Really enjoyed this one, very well done man! But just so we're clear, landcruiser still beats a rover😉 just playing around, the best rig is one that you can call your own. Peace man.

You're very kind to LR. I don't shun my LR friends by any means, but even they will tell you they spend significantly more on maintenance and breakdowns than I spend keeping my 80 series running. When they work though... Damn LR's are fun. That said, I'd happily LS swap the 80 for drivability and, believe it or not, fuel economy. The old 1FZFE is ultra reliable but good grief it slurps up a lot of go go juice.

In Australia the rivalry is Nissan Patrols vs Toyota Landcruisers...Jeeps and New Landrovers don't make the cut. Old Landrovers are respected but only due to Landcruisers not existing yet.

Proper video, you're right man! Brand feuds are useless. At the end of the day we are all driving vehicles and trying to share the same experience with each other

I’ve worked on multiple of both toyotas and land rovers. Worked on a lot of different vehicles too like 4x4s. While land rovers sometimes tend to be less reliable, they are far nicer to work on I’ve found. I’d take a Toyota any day over a Land Rover but I’ve found toyotas are always a pain in the ass to do a simple job like a ball joint or wheel bearing. Land rovers are simple and they always tend to go as expected when working on them. Nissans aren’t too bad to work on. Mitsubishi’s like the shoguns are the easiest I find and always enjoy working on them which is why I own one. I think some toyotas are overated off road. Yes they are good, but seen them struggle many times when other vehicles seam to do it easier. Good vehicles but think some toyotas aren’t as good as people think and land rovers aren’t as bad as they are made out to be

I just changed my coolant in my 1989 Hilux 547000km. it was over due by a couple of years, it hit 40c yesterday so I didn’t want to risk my baby, My other Hilux is 2003 TD Intercooled 3 Litre 380000km still original! I just love my Toyota’s!!

You're right the rivalry is dumb, The older Land Rovers are a far better car to work on, you do not need any specialty tools to get anything done for one thing, and yes, no matter which car you buy, unless your rich enough and can have a mechanic work on your car, you are going to have to work on it, as for the off road or trail driving, they're about the same, they will both get you where your going and back and that's all that's important in a car

A few summers ago I saved up for a disco, but no one was selling one around me... sadly. Got a bmw e39 instead, but I still lust after a disco 1. I vehemently dislike their current lineup, but the disco 1 was special. I wouldn’t mind a 4Runner or an XJ, but the disco is definitely the one I love.

Those two brands are fun* combos when put together, my dad has a 1999 Toyota Hilux 107 and Land Rover 110. So many fun* memories around those two.

I totally agree with you man, I own a 300tdi in Uganda and man, this thing is something I never thought it was. I have put over 500,000 km same engine, never opened, never overhauled, never broken down on me. I have seen friends dumping land cruisers for reliability and fuel consumption issues. I get really confused. Infact I was forced to buy a 1995 Prado with a 1kz motor, overhauled the engine to near new condition but I'm thinking am gonna be disappointed, can't judge it yet. I have put over 50,000 km since overhaul but I v failed to realize anything it does better than the 300tdi. It's diesel consumption is waaaaay higher, 300tdi is much much stronger, very capable than 1kz, can't tow as much as the 300tdi, 300tdi can tolerate much abuse than the Prado, 300tdi is faster, Prado can't carry the weights the defender does, I failed to get anything the Prado does than the defender. I find the 300tdi better than the 1hd, 1HZ, 1HDT etc in so many ways but because the 300tdi is a small engine, it labors too much than these toyota engines that are waaay bigger.

Hi A big thank you for a great stright talking video, not often do you get this. I own a discovery 2 td5 built for overlanding and yes had problems but I think it's great. Take care stay safe 👍👍

In reading some of the comments, it’s apparent that some people blindly think their brand is the best, but out on the trails, I like to think that blind loyalty is pushed to the side, and everyone makes sure everyone else get’s back home that night and treads lightly at the same time. (Sick of picking up beer bottles from UTV groups). Try joining your local Land Rover club, or at the least, go on one of their monthly trips, it’s a lot of fun, and you will learn a lot more about your vehicle.... Nice videos, btw.

Randomly had your video show up on my feed. Prob because I watch LR videos. Great video. I think it doesn't matter what you drive, just whatever you like best. Face it, every car, truck, 4x4 all suck the life out of you eventually and will all need repairs. Enjoy what you have and make it your own.

Matt, I just discovered your channel. Great stuff!

We have had both (TD5 disco and 2.8d, 2.2d Hilux) Issues with both. I think the Toyota is a bit easier to work on but land rover has better visibility and handling. They are just different

Really enjoyed your Video,I live in Zambia, I drive 2 x Land Rover Defenders and a Discovery 3,the one Defender is the 300 TDI and the other is the 2.8i BMW M52 engine,I think you would love the Defender...anyway,I agree with what you say,really cool to have and see different rigs on the trail...and we all enjoy and have the same interests, ....😁👍

Great video!!! I love Toyotas for their build quality and reliability, and I love Land Rovers for the way their beauty and the way they drive and feel. I just have a hard time bringing myself to buy a Land Rover because I would be worried all the time about breaking down, especially out in the middle of nowhere. Aren't you worried about Land Rover reliability?

Good video, I have a 1995 hilux 4x4 never gives problems but id rather take my landrover for that comfort and soft drive.... When I go offroad landrover all the way! With toyota people just expect way to much out a vehicle. Landrover discovery 2 td5 is my best vehicle

I love toyotas but nothing beats a Disco 1. If your timing belt breaks in that toyota pistons will slam and the engine has to be rebuilt. I will take the blown head gasket any day

Solid points. For me, all rivalries are dumb. If you have any rig that lets you overland and you are having fun...more power to you!

I don’t think there’s a Toyota-Land Rover rivalry. Both are fairly equally capable off-road , but one is consistently the highest rated brand for reliability, the other is consistently at the bottom. If anything there’s a Toyota-Jeep rivalry. Jeep (specifically the wrangler) is more capable off road but less reliable and worse as a daily driver. Toyota is less capable off-road, but significantly more reliable and better as a daily. At least there’s a trade off between these two.

Totally not where I expected the video to go, but totally awesome!

Yeah, I think some folks really overblow Land Rover issues while playing down Toyota (and pretty much every other fan boy brand). The shit my FJ62 has put me through has left me wanting to burn it down. My Discovery 1 on the other hand was pretty reliable even in spite of me getting it stuck in a water crossing up to the seats. I can't seem to find the Toyota Coolaid in my FJ to drink any for myself, it must've drained out via the copious rust holes that formed a few days after rolling off the assembly line.

THIS MAN SPEAKETH THE TRUTH! I'm largely a Toyota guy who is seeing them skyrocket in price and am now looking at Discos and ZJ's with a "different set of eyes" and an open mind, thanks to this channel. Keep up the good work!

Great well rounded presentation.

They recommend the timing belts at 90k plenty have over 200k on them

I used a Harbor Frieght ball joint C-Clamp to press out the upper ball joints in my 4runner. No other parts needed.

True! When I was looking for a versatile capable 4x4 for farm work, I tried hard to find a toyota, but nothing could beat defender td5 pickup with removable canopy for my needs. Also, the feel and character of land rovers is mysteriously unique.

Love all the truths spoken here. Comparing is like putting a cider apple up against a dessert apple. Both apples with their own strengths but not the same. Both still apples.

Besides the hilarious bernie thing at 9:02 this great video and it's message earned my sub. Hi from south Texas

Nice, positive points. Good work.

Every brand makes good and bad vehicles. I'm a Land Rover fan, I'd take a series, defender, disco 1/2, or range rover classic any day. But I wouldn't touch a newer range rover with a barge pole.

I had the same experience with a ford and a bimmer. Almost same repairs financially.

Love the topics and vids of off roading. Having a gen 4 06 4runner with 253k . I have tried other vehicles, but always return to what I know works for me. I would love a discovery but I don’t want to wrench and every Jeep I have bought is a white elephant. Just my experience. I love to see all vehicles with 4wd and I agree with you. Each has their own qualities. Keep up the great work!

Couldn't agree more. What fun would it be if everyone had the same thing? Plus competition among the brands benefits consumers.

There's a saying in Australia. If you want to get to the outback, get a Rover. If you want to get there and BACK, get a Land Cruiser.

I own a Range Rover but gotta respect fellow Toyota owners who wheel as hard as I do. I see the woods littered with 4runners and Tacomas nowadays, same if not more than Jeeps surprisingly.

I would love to show you some pictures of my overland rig. But Facebook algorithms have decided that since I love Off-road I must want to see the news feed from every right-wing conspiracy that exists. Long story short. No more FB.

I had a '94 Toyota Camry. Ran outstandingly well. I never had an issue with it until I hit some black ice and flipped it into a ditch when I was stationed in England in 2004. Wrote off the Camry and bought a used '98 Discovery 1 V8 since a bunch of guys in my maintenance shop had Defenders and Discos. Loved my Disco 1 so much that I bought a 2001 Disco 2 Td5 for my wife in 2008. Sadly, we sold both Disco's since I was getting stationed back to the states and couldn't take them with us. Flash forward to 2016 when I was graduating from college (at 46 years old), my wife surprises me with a California kept zero rust 2001 Disco 2 V8 as my graduation present! My very first LHD Land Rover which I still have now since we moved back to England. I will always be an LR enthusiast! Cheers mate!

i have always liked land rovers in fact the first vehicle i have ever driven off road was a series land rover across a stoney beach loaded down with dive gear. I almost grabbed a 500$ disco 2 but he sold it from under me. The following week however, I did get a 1100$ ML320 which gets funny looks off road but is surprisingly capable and easy to work on. Keep up the interesting content and good commentary.

100% love your perspective and overall attitude

Don’t let them cylinder sleeves start slipping in that disco you’ll definitely be searching for those Toyota keys.

The discovery petrol engines require constant maintenance and are soft . The diesels are underpowered especially for auto gearboxes but are fantastic off roaders. You cannot delay the maintenance and expect to travel the world, but they are cheap to upgrade using Australian parts Toyota make much better petrol engines especially when comparing modern rover with modern Toyota. Their old diesels (80 series, were terrible for fuel consumption and terribly underpowered. And for their displacement the modern ones are still underpowered and over fuelled for diesel. But you can delay the maintenance and cobble yourself half way around the world. Bottom line is maintenance has to be eventually done on both. That is my tuppence worth after over a million miles between the two. Sorry for the rant !!👴

Nice vid, as we say in Africa, if you go to the wilds in any other 4x than a Land Rover you go there, enjoy it and come back. If you go in a Landy you have a story to tell, you broke down here, made a plan there, got a longer break than you planned on and had fun doing it. I prefer the Japanese cers for ease of work and parts. That being said Africa was mapped by Landy's and that is a fact. Although some say that Landy's are the Britts revenge on Africa for secession from the monarchy 😂😂😂 Nowadays though you can find Toyota spares in any rural area of Africa and that is a huge bonus. Before it was true for Landy's though, the more things change the more they stay the same. In all the vehicle you drive is your preference and for the most 4x4's are nowadays mostly mall crawlers that are pimped up and the hardest action they are with 2 wheels on the dirt and 2 on the asphalt. As you said how you are perceived in the vehicle.

Fed. Cool clip and worthy of this post ! I saw old dog 'Rick Doetsch' has finally updated his web-site and one can order the shockies for Land Rovers on-line ? V.

I personally prefer Jeeps and Ford trucks, but I have a great appreciation for Toyota and Land Rover. The Disco 2 is one of my favorite all time vehicles even if it does blow head gaskets on the regular. I have thought about buying one and Cummins swapping it for years. Might actually do that one day.

AMEN Brother!!! Very well said!!! And with that said it's time to get back to my "Pantyfinder"upgrades.... Later...

I got to get out of Indiana, there is no Adventure here.

Dunno what the cost is for a tech to do the timing belt on the 3.4L, but retail on a complete timing belt change on my 3.3L Highlander is about $800 with new water pump, tensioner and so on. Retail for a headgasket on a LR? At least a couple grand, probably more. Replaced all the suspension on my Highlander at 350K-kms, and the front LCAs were AWFUL, but when stuff lasts 350K, it's fine if it's a little difficult. When parts last 15-20 years, I can put up with some headaches to replace.

Great video, well said! I really don't get the brand loyalty, I think all vehicles have their good points and their bad points. Like your 4Runner, honestly most of that stuff shouldn't needed to have been done on a 167k vehicle. But Toyotas are finicky with front end parts from what I've learned, and yeah, you definitely need to address that timing belt. Also the 4.7 v8 that everybody thinks is God's Gift, needs the timing belt and water pump every 90,000 miles, and the starter is located under the intake manifold. What genius thought that up? Personally I think timing belt engines are garbage, and after owning a Volvo with a timing belt, I will never own another timing belt vehicle again. Currently I have a 5th gen 4Runner, it's okay, I bought it to be more of a station wagon. It's great for hauling my dogs and my mountain bike and camping gear. If I were going to do actual off-roading, and lived out west and not in RI, I definitely would have gotten a Jeep or Disco. I am firmly in the solid-axle camp. It's funny, a lot of the Toyota guys seem to have hate for the solid-axle Rovers and Jeeps, I legitimately think it's an inferiority complex. Whenever the capability of Jeeps is brought up, it always circles back to Toyota reliability. I used to have a ZJ, and when I was in that community I really didn't get any feeling of any hate for Toyota owners. That seems to only flow one way. In fact before I got my 4Runner, I really really wanted a JKU, and the 4R was a distant 2nd. I even posted in Wrangler Forum, asking if anyone had had both. I actually got a lot of well thought out responses saying that for my intended uses, the 4Runner would probably suit me better. Then the JL came out, and that sealed the deal because I like the improvements enough to really want one of those, however budget wouldn't allow it. I found a used 13 Trail Edition 4Runner for about 50% of the cost of the new JLUR I would have wanted. In retrospect I am so glad I did not get into a brand new car payment, and even then I feel like I spent way too much money on this Toyota, lol, Though thanks to crazy Toyota values I put almost 40k miles on it and two years later it's worth not much less than what I paid for it. It's tough to say, because it's been so long since I owned it and it was stock, but I think my stock is ZJ drove better than the 4Runner. Once it had a lift and 31's on it, I'd put money on it being more capable than the 4Runner. The Toyota diehards that think these modern IFS Toyota's are some kind of off-road hero's amuse me. I look at mine that has very little front ground clearance under the skid plate, and very little front suspension travel. I'll say I can take dirt roads faster than I could with my ZJ, and I do love the interior space, it is a fairly large vehicle. My neighbor has a WJ that looks like it could fit inside my 4Runner, lol. Anyway, to get back to the point, I like all vehicles. My 4Runner is a great daily driver, but I often think getting a WJ or Disco would have been better if I was going to do a dedicated trail rig. I belong to a few overland groups here in New England, they don't do any really difficult trails, most of them own ifs Toyota's so I do fit in LOL. I also have a weak spot for GM's, I've been lusting over square body Suburbans lately, apparently the 6.2 diesel variants will get 20 MPG without too much trouble! Also really like the early 2000s 2500 Suburbans too, think one of those would make a cool overland style build. Anyway, enough with the ramble. I just want to say great video, this is the first one of yours I've seen but I will definitely be watching more!

I love this one about brands and tribes. Well said 👏!

Very well said sir. Top video 👍👍👊

If I lived near you and your off-road group, l'd join up. Most of the trails in Northern California that were open years ago are fenced, blocked or bicycle/pedestrian only now.

The 4Runner and the Disco aren’t fair comparisons. Land Cruiser and Disco yes.

Yeah! Enjoyed watching

My husband says - How can you not like the wee man? A Toyota, a Land Rover and a gorgeous dog!

I have been stranded by very literally every single Toyota I have ever owned. Camry, mr2s, supra, tacoma, etc. My Discovery 2 has lasted about a year and a half with literally zero faults. I drove it from California to Maine, and everywhere in between. Crap MPG, but flawless performance. Disco has almost 180,000 miles now. Modern Land Rover is not what it used to be.

Thanks for content . Did you install a lift on the disco ?

I'd rather Toyota stuck LCA bushings over some Land Rover head gaskets any day anywhere.

I have a third generation 4Runner with over 300,000 miles on it and a Lexus LX450 80 series Land Cruiser with over 500,000 miles on it. I have another third generation 4Runner with over 150,000 miles on it. They are all daily drivers. ENOUGH SAID.

If you flushed the transmission when it was at 110 and did 60k interval changes that trans would go for well over 400k miles.

Great video, just wish there was more off-roading footage

Offroad all the cars!!! Honestly love seeing multiple cars hit trails besides wranglers until I get stuck. Then they are great haha

I totally agree! Land Rovers are better tho

Hell yeah brother to all of what you've said!

Toyota may or may not be reliable, but when something DOES go wrong good luck finding the specific tools, or even a way to reach the broken part without removing several other things first.

What makes us humans great is our different taste in things...liking different brands is entirely ones preference. I have been with Land Rover so long now,it is what I know and understand. Another thing is if you crawl under an older defender and a discovery 1, you will find the same bushes and stuff under there. Out here a Toyota is definitely more popular and the second hand value is much higher than that of a discovery. But yes, 4x4.models are like wives, we chose what we love, no matter what.

German, 4 door, V8.... G-Wagon??

Great message!

Watching your Vids i think it would be very fair to say,, from the start you bought something i dont think you looked over,, if i remembere, correct if im wrong. Yes you have done a lot of work on her but thats NOT the fault of the car itself or yours,, its the fault of previous owners who quite obviously have not look afterher or serviced her properly. Ive driven Land Rovers from 1954 modles and series modles in the services to present day and owning a1993 200 and a 2000 D2 of which of course ive had to deal with issues again from previous owners. I would like to stress to all new owners of Discos but not to LR3s onward that Discos were the best cars Land Rover ever made. Treat them right and service them properly and they WILL look after you always. Your laws over the pond are different to ours andi think much easier to keep awreck on the road. Here in England it is much harder. Look after her and good luck. Please less talk and more repairs and driving. Many thanks. Kev.. UK

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Now the show is about something else. so much for making the sport survive for our kids..lol

Personally I find working on Toyota's to be just about the most frustrating aside from Volvos, or shudder, Audis...

this dude is cool hahaha. Hopefully he stays like this and not become like every other KZfaq selling more than they create

Wish you the best 👏👏👏👏👏

Love it well said

Thumbs up... great content!

I have the great job of teaching 4x4 off-road so have driven most of the UK sold (and a few imports) 4x4’s. They all have something - maybe apart from the Vauxhall Frontera :-D The most common question tends to be what’s the ‘best’ off-reader. The one you use! And, as you say it is what you want to do with it and what you are capable of. Defenders in the UK have got silly prices now and are often shiny, pimped up things that would never actually go off-road. Brand identification is one thing but heated tribalism is dumb. :-)

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Bravo! 👍

Well said!

I hope you're renting an e90 m3

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Any brand out on the trail is better than in the grocery store parking lot. I have no problems with any one brand. Your negative points against your Toyota is flawed, those are wear items on a 20 year old vehicle, and it’s just a 4Runner, not a Land Cruiser. Love seeing everything on the trail, but that doesn’t mean I won’t judge you for what you drive. 😆

That’s all fine and good but I think we can all agree that Nissan is garbage

Does anyone really care what anyone drives? Is that a real thing?

You absolutely can definitively say that Toyota > Land Rover.