Zacian isn’t bad at all, but in a format where you only have one restricted mon it’s not worth the slot

I mean if you explained to them everything that happened (the nerfs + meta shifts + body press) They probably wouldn’t be surprised

Zacian is far from the worst, it's actually still better than average if you think about how it's better than every single restricted legendary from Gens 1, 2, 4, 5 and 7. That's everything spanning 23 years from 1996-2019 except for the two eternally viable weather setters from Gen 3.

​@@GravityIsFalling well yeah after you explain exactly why everything is the way it is it makes more sence but before that they would probably be a bit flabberghasted

​@@bungyssI think Lunala is better, but other than that you are giving facts

Was looking for this. The video could've been a 4 seconds: "Because it counters Incineroar" and everybody would've been: "Makes sense, have a nice day."

Not only that, basc most legendaries except Koraidon and some others like Groudon.

wide guard bulky incineroar counter pseudoimmune to intimidate

fr lolll

The day they add a pokemon ability that does intimidate but for special attack is gonna make comp go crazy

That's the thing, it wasn't nerfed, it was buffed with body press access.

@@aname4390it did get nerfed due to the once per switch in ability, just that the buffs outweighed that

​@aname4390 It was nerfed. It lost BST, and its ability was changed to only work once. The thing is that body press literally is worth significantly more for Zamezenta than everything it lost.

Lol body press is just what gives it a real way to deal damage, its ok but not great, other mons have better offense because of tera nuking, it's just the meta around it. Wide guard is on absolutely no legal mons that are good, besides it- people are literally running mienshao and pelliper for just access to that. And bulk with the ability to 1 shot fairy, dark, and normals running around. The meta demands the mon right now with flutter mane and calys causing that.

Zac/ian

Even now the two aren’t equals

Yeah, zacian is genuinely trash now. Funny that even if zamazenta only got nerfed and zacian never did, it still would see more success in reg g tbh. Body press is just THAT huge of an upgrade for Zam

Honestly thought zamazenta looked coller lol i like its shield

Zacian has never held a candle to zama

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Yep 👍

A lot of defensive mons gained some form of viability solely because of body press.

Frankly it was criminal he didn't have it to begin with.

All it took was giving the defense fighting type a fighting type move that uses defense and was introduced in the same generation

Yes. XD

It was a corny question anyways especially after talking about how it’s literally the best legendary rn and why

Especially considering gen 8 INTRODUCED Body Press. Honestly a laughable oversight not giving it to the defensive fighting box legendary

And worst of all, why would behemoth bash not use defense too? It fits both lorewise and gameplay wise since body press exist

​@@TheRatBehindTheSlaughter Maybe cause gamefreak thought it'd be overpowered? ... ...Ah who am I kidding they probably just forgot lol

@@squiddler7731 gamefreak forgoting something? Never tought that could happen.. Like lets adress the elephant in the room, not making behemoth bash use defense is like giving psychoc to great tusk ! Wait a second..-

I hate the move Body Press so much, I think this move is too good for semi-defensive Pokemon in a game where the Gen 1/2 Stat EXP system isn't a thing.

You said it

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYINGGG

It’s already the most consistent legendary no need to

​@@GravityIsFalling it still should be tho, it makes sense even lore wise lol

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@@GravityIsFallingi want people to suffer so yes

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Balance, please this company made Mega Rayquazza and in the At generation made Zacian. They likely just forgot or didn’t feel like it

Considering it is the shield pokemon, it is weird its signature move doesn't use defense stat to damage Behemoth Bash feels like it should have been the upgrade, legendary form of Body Press

​@user-ni2bo3mu5p they didn't forget it. They just have a different design philosophy than what most of us would like.

@@user-ni2bo3mu5p It's worth noting that Game Freak almost exclusively balances with doubles/VGC in mind, and Mega Rayquaza was powerful but not overwhelming in doubles.

​@@dragonslair951167this, even back in 2016, despite Mega Ray winning the world championship, the tag team of Primal Groudon and Kyogre were generally considered the better legendary picks that year.

How do you bold you words

I *believe* you put an asterisk around the part you want to bold

​​​​​@@adrianstyranitar717 Something like this * (whatever you write without spaces but) * **see**

NAH SIT DOWN ZACIAN, YOU'RE WEAK

@shanedsouza189 Thank you, I *believe* its true. honestly, you are *magnificent*

*Body Press

Literally

Can you rewrite what you have typed? It does not specify what stat is boosred and what is lowwered.

​@@Andy-xn9zn+1 on defense and intimidated is -1 on attack

zamazenta gets a +1 def boost on switch in once a battle from it’s ability. giving it the clear amulet hold item prevents its’ stats from being lowered

@@inmanis2924 no its not about clear amulet specificly, body press does damage with defense, meaning zamazenta dont give a single flying f about intimidate. and you need your item slot to transform it into crowned forme too.

Thanks 👍 I understood nothing

Bastiodon also got bodypress this generation.

@@RFDN0 And Foul Play. Tera-ing Bastiodon can genuinely result in some wacky plays that it would never otherwise dream of pulling off.

Not really, BB would give it more coverage, but it still wouldn’t be enough to fair against walls. Still also makes it susceptible to being walled by Skeledirge just like Zacian

Physical attackers have been dominant and a mon reducing pokemon's defenses passively really aids them.

Sword of ruin is basically the intimidate for defense, that plus clear amulet being a counter to intimidate makes psychical attacters easier to use

Zamazenta* but yea

That his fault for using low accuracy moves

@@barry101ishyeah unfortunately Pokémon is very unforgiving. Even with all the correct plays, he still lost because he chose to gamble on inaccurate moves.

@@barry101ish Yep. When one sacrifices consistency for power, then they shouldn't be surprised when they lose their gambles when it matters the most.

Naah, it doesn't even come close. Zacian went from 10 to 4. Zamazenta went from 1 to 7. If they wanted Zama to be a 10 they should have let Behemoth Bash scale off of Defense.

@@aninassTo be honest, that decision (+Recover for both the doggos) is something I want to advocate for but know they’d never do so esp. with how meteoric Zamazenta’s rise was with just Body Press

@@waitingfortheequinnox again, Zamazenta's rise was not meteoric at all. Most people would still rather use a special restricted like Kyogre or Calyrex-S to mitigate the intimidate problem and some other picks that do Zamazenta's job. Zamazenta is also not creating consistent results as opposed to its competitors. The opportunity cost of not being a better restricted is also there. And Zamazenta is also not strong enough to win you a tournament if you are not running Iron Defense / Body Press set, which is predictable. The only reason Zama got this high because this is a single restricted format, which was totally unexpected and most people would rather take the safe way rather than the risky ones. Tldr; Zamazenta's rise (if you can even call it that) is nowhere close to meteoric, and most people still think that Zamazenta is not a tournament winning restricted.

Choice Band boosts Body Press but Eviolite doesn't, so it's the same thing going on here

Body Press only considers the user's raw Defense stat and stat stages, everything else comes from attack boosts. Sword of Ruin has no effect on Body Press, Tablets of Ruin does.

Is zacian still the way better of the 2 in singles?

​@@regilad_9043 Yes

​@@regilad_9043Yes and unfortunately Zamazenta is still quite irrelevant at Uber

Weird how I'm a Zacian fan, but I'm crying tears of joy for the Zamazenta fans. *Not to mention, my first Gen 8 game was Shield*

I feel like you are spinning the narrative here a bit. Both Zacien and Zamazenta got the same nerfs Zaciens stat nerfs were a bit harder, but they both got them. He got one move, a singular move. A held item was added that changed the landscape of the meta. Because it allowed every pokemon the chance to get around intimidate. Which Zacien cannot use and Zama does not need.

Zam benefit literally nothing from new item, it just that Zacian can’t use clear amulet while Zam doesn’t care about attack drop to begin with. Both Zacian and Zam got the same nerf as well.

To be honest, GF gave Zacian too much tools in Gen 8 and gave too little in comparison for Zamazenta. I feel like this is really deserving.

@@pallpksp9142*gen 8 but yeah

And a meta focused on spread move with poor Wide Guard distribution

Behemoth Bash being a Steel type stronger Body Press? I'll take 5.

@@kosakukawajiri5007 i mean if Zacian can have a 150 bp move that scales off its monstrous attack stat, I can't see why Zamazenta has to scale off of his ok ish to mid attack when its defense buffed by Dauntless Shield is right there, same as Zacian with Intrepid Sword. Like they just did my boy Zama dirty.

That’s why I picked shield over sword when those games first came out. Zamazenta’s design was so cool. I didn’t know this at the time either, but miraidon is better than koraidon due to not having any 4x weaknesses. I picked violet as my main at the time because it had the present-day version exclusives I wanted to have on my team

Tbh Zamazenta is still pretty bad and even worse than in gen 8 in single battles. Its main value is being more or less immune to Intimidate in double battles, while Zacian is extremely vulnerable now thanks to the nerf. Gen 8 Zacian would still tower over a gen 8 body press Zamazenta with defense based Behemoth Bash.

​@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718I mean first of all the video is talking about doubles and second of all zacian after the nerfs is worse in singles too not just zamazenta it just doesn't feel as good as before

@@exaunitive4948 Zacian is still A+ in Ubers though while Zamazenta is not even Ubers anymore. In a vacuum Zacian is still far better than Zamazenta, it really is all about Intimidate and Wide Guard. Not only is Zamazenta pretty much unaffected by Intimidate, after the nerf one Intimidate is also all it takes to ruin Zacian. In gen 8 you could simply refresh Intrepid Sword after an Intimidate, but now a single Intimidate is all it takes to negate Intrepid Sword for the remainder of the game. So Zamazenta being good is a meta call, especially in a meta that is so hostile to Zacian.

@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 I mean being A+ in Ubers IS a nerf remember it was banned from Ubers last gen and still it doesn't feel like an A+ Mon to me if anything A at max And while format is a factor I feel like zacian just isn't the same

Sword of Ruin doesn't actually affect the defense, just move power, so basically it just gives all physical moves a 33% power boost.

6:02 It may have been for special attacking since the rest are all physical. 1 D Meteor is painful and it has an excellent Luster Purge to hit fighting types. Icy Wind is good for speed control.