Something to point out too, is that Tolkien also opposed the "anti-german" sentiment of the time, saying that trying to exterminate the german people "just because they are germans" is not different nor better than Nazi's treatment of the jews.

A little correction from a native speaker. Caudillo doesn't mean just Füher, leader. A Caudillo its a military and a civil leader, but primarily militar. The english word Warlord is more accurate to translate it, but it isn't perfect. Note that the word Warlord has the root War but the word Caudillo hasn't the root Guerra, so is more subtle. Caudillo is a military leader but also a civil one. For example in my country, Argentina, the landowners of the inner country of the 19 century used the word Caudillo to refer them selves. In the context of a new born republic with no strong central government, this landowners were the state in their states. They guaranteed order security and justice, just like medieval lords. And when necessary, they concrip their pawns in para military police forces to make campaigns to fight back the indian raids or to fought in the Argentinaian Civil War, just like feudal levys

He was not wrong in the portrait of anticatholicism in England at all...or on pointing out the double moral. My grandfather used to be a republican and ended up in a Franco concentration camp for it for some time, and got his brother executed by Franco, yet he did speak worse of the last year of the republic than about the camp or Franco, so...that must have been something

Because he didn't approve of nuns being thrown off bridges?

It should be noticed also that Tolkien was a devoted conservative (in European sense) and regionalist, who valued traditional (native) cultural diversity above all. This is why he did not identify as British and thought that maybe even 'English' is too broad identity for him. He valued regional languages, identities and traditions. Meanwhile, fascist or nationalist dictatorships are usually AGAINST regionalism, they value unification of all the citizens of a particular nation into series of clones, speaking the same language, expressing the same customs and preaching the devotion to one supreme leader. And this is what Franco's regime did. Franco aimed to destroy hundreds' years old local identities of Spain - Basque, Catalonian, Galician, not only languages (which were eradicated by government policies or even officially banned) but also old royal privileges (fueros) that gave autonomy to some regions of the Kingdom, traditional local institutions (e.g. regional councils) built based on fueros etc.. Tolkien, as great admirer of linguistic diversity, would never support destruction of regional languages. I remind You that regional Basque and Catalonian autonomies fought against Franco but on side of Republic, even if Basque and Catalan nationalists did not agree with communists and anarchists. Franco was no champion of tradition, as pre-war Spain was culturally and legally diverse. And, contrary to Tolkien, he was no monarchist - he has originally no intention to rebuilt Kingdom, he took all the power for himself. The group to which Tolkien would adhere the most strongly (if he understood Spanish politics better), were carlists, i.e. traditional monarchists who allied with Franco but have their differences. At one moment, falangists (fascist supporters of Franco) aimed to cut down an ancient oak tree, under which the traditional Basque council usually gathered. In response, carlist militia guarded that tree to protect it. What could be more in agreement with Tolkien's heart than defending an ancient oak against the orcs? We may only speculate but I believe that if JRRT had more information about post-war Franco's politics, he would not be so devoted supporter of Caudillo.

Franco did not persecute the Jews. Not sure where you got that from. He even helped some Jews escape Europe.

Looking at the title, I would assume it was because they were both Catholic.

People forget Franco killed more than just communists He went after Basques and people of Catalonia with brutal actions

He wasn't fascist although allying with them. He was a traditional monarchist conservative. An authoritarian dictator but the alternative was Stalinism. He himself wasn't a falangist. They had a weird power sharing agreement.

12:07 When exactly do you pretend Jews were _persecuted_ by Franco's régime? They were _discriminated_ against prior to Vatican II, as non-Catholics, do you count that as persecution? W a i t ... there was a total ban on Jewish services, not just a demand that Synagogues should be discrete? I wonder if Stanley G. Payne is totally accurate on that point ... even if he was, it's not sure Tolkien heard of it. (By the way, he could be miscited by wikipedia). But there is no question of bloody persecution, and Franco's Spain certainly helped to save Jews. FROM whatever Hitler had in store for them, had Spain not stepped in. Here is a direct citation from Payne: _"By 1943, the Spanish regime had developed a three-war theory of the global conflict: in the war between Communists and anti-Communists in eastern Europe, Spain was declared to favor the German anti-Communists, where her own [687] troops had until recently been engaged; in the war between the Axis and Allies in western Europe, Spain was neutral; in the struggle between the western allies and Japan in the Far East, Spain favored the allies. Anti-Nazi refugees were given sanctuary in Spain and transit rights elsewhere, and the regime later extended Spanish citizenship to several thousand Sephardic Jews in the Balkans to try to save them from extermination."_ A History of Spain and Portugal vol. 2 Stanley G. Payne, Chapter 28: Spain in the Franco Era [684]

In my opinion he did not investigate the history and ideas of Spain well, he stopped in the catholic vs communist side.

It is really polarising seeing how Tolkien a linguist supported Franco, knowing that he prohibited the Catalan language one of the most spoken languages in spain in order to unify it, Aragorn would have never done that

13:15 There is a source about his friend Roy Campbell. After the war, he became, not a Franco supporter, but a Carloctavista and resettled in Portugal which suited his views better.

Tell Euskadi how much Franco protected catholics.

Interesting and original content. Thank you. I look forward to more videos.

I really appreciate your video. You defended Tolkein's view with measured reasoning, historical context, and restraint. I really dislike hasty claims that historical figures support this cause or that with the reasoning "it was obviously the right thing to do" or "obviously the people they dislike are wrong and stupid." It's shallow, often ignores facts to assume the claim, and the claimant appears to be waving a team flag to look cool and hate on a person or group at the expense of the dead person's reputation. I mean if a historical figure fought a war without any recorded misgivings or change in view in their life, then you can claim they hated their enemy or didn't see them as fully human. That's simple.

this video highlights two very sad mistakes that we make as a society, which are possibly even more prevalent today. the first is that we tend to lump people together when they have "similar" beliefs, which then leads to a lot of people being falsely accused of supporting ideologies they don't, and turns everything into a wildly polarising conflict of left vs right. the other is that, on both sides of these debates, when people believe they are right they go to truly awful lengths to punish the people who are wrong in their minds, and all that does is create more division between us and lead to even more conflict. whether you're a traditionalist catholic monarchist like tolkien, or a pro-democracy liberal socialist like me, we all want the same thing which is for everyone to have the best lives possible, we just have different views on how to go about that. i remember on ink and fantasy's video about why tolkien believed in monarchy we had a really fascinating debate about democracy vs monarchy in a comment thread, nobody was attacking anyone, everyone fully considered the opposing points before responding, and since we all had that common goal we found a lot of common ground. in stark contrast in most of today's society we turn absolutely everything into a war of good vs evil (with everyone believing they're on the good side of course), and ironically it mostly comes from the more progressive groups who have basically formed a left alliance at this point. if you don't instantly agree that religion is evil, right leaning governments are awful, ten year old children should be able to decide to get gender treatment (i'm saying this as a trans person), or that stealing eggs from chickens is wrong or whatever the point is, then you're suddenly cast as a villain who's racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, and whatever else they can think of. and when so many people get constantly attacked for the stupidest things they naturally band together, and absorb a bunch of extreme opinions from eachother until we end up with people like andrew tate manipulating millions of disillusioned people into spouting his bs. shockingly when we have billions of people constantly screaming at eachother from their digital high horses that's not conducive to a functional society, we're more polarised than we've been in a long time to the point where even tiny things like a guy in makeup or going to church can cause instant global hatred for everyone involved. people just need to realise that we're all people, and even if we disagree about things that doesn't mean we need to hate eachother. in reality if we just all communicated about our beliefs in a healthy way, made our points without being belligerent and considered opposing views, then we'd be able to sort out all of our differences. that's part of why i appreciate this channel so much, because you always articulate everything beautifully without any bias, and these videos encourage healthy debate about the various points made. tolkien's views couldn't be further from my own, and if i were to take them at face value without considering his deeper motivations then it would be easy for me to view him in a negative light, but (even though i frequently disagree with him completely) i've come to really appreciate his insights into the world and i've realised there's a lot of value in considering them

11:19 Fascist régimes tied The State to The People. Guess what. So did the Soviet Union. So did Western Democracies. Would you mind citing the precise passage in Letter 52 Tolkien considers The State especially dangerous if tied to The People? I don't think you'll find that, actually. It's not because that was Gänsewein's or Ratzinger's opinion that that was also Tolkien's. What is really dangerous in my own opinion between State and People is if the State believes itself to be the best representative of the People, a bit like certain aunts and uncles who believe themselves to be the best pals of a five year old nephew. A fad a certain Chesterton wrote about ...

Tolkien was like Jünger, an anarch but opposed to anarchy. The idea being regardless of the machinery of state and statecraft, it was the man or woman who mattered.

Tolkein believed falsehoods about the #USSR. The #USSR allowed christianity. #Stalin even publicly had an icon of the Virgin Mary flown around Moscow during the nazi invasion, to boost the morale of the #USSR's people.

6:33 As a fun fact, Father Francis Morgan Osborne is also the great-great-uncle of Bertín Osborne, a really well known spanish singer.

People: "I hate fascists because they're fascists" also people: "henry kissinger my senpai"

Many people don't know this but in the 60s Franco officially revoked the edicts of expulsion enacted by King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella in 1492. This allowed Jews to live in Spain once again. No matter what you think about Franco at least he did that.

A nuanced and fair (as far as I can tell) of Tolkien's view on many things, including Franco. It is too easy these days to brand people "this or that" and this shows how complex his thoughts were about this subject. We can hold almost contradictory views one and all, though on the surface we might seem left/center/right.

cus he's based, that's it guys

The inherent problem in Evil vs. Evil conflicts. Spanish Catholic priests of the time had absolutely no problem with naming alleged "enemies of the state" to Franco's regime, almost invariably leading to their murders. In short, both sides were fighting dirty and Tolkien, like most of the West at the time, was caught between conflicting ideologies. The USSR was essential to the fight against the Third Reich, and thus they were technically a part of the Allies. France and Great Britain really needed the Soviets to keep up their side of WWII on the eastern front, regardless of how they felt about the communist movements. Likewise, the Soviets were only allies of convenience with the capitalist West. There was no real trust (honestly, who could trust Stalin?) and so you had this mess of ideologies all battling it out against the larger backdrop of the biggest war in all of history.

Isn't it obvious? Because the alternative was worse.

Wars are a complex matter, you can support one side or another side if you are utside the war itself wich grants you a different perspective wich is outside the carnage and the roaring warmachines. That doesnt make you bad or good, but its inportant to remember that you can have that opinion, you can "support" thanks to the blessing of living on peace far from that war. I was extremely republican in my paat as spaniard, but that changed when i left back "the asthetics" my preconceptions of "good guys" and began to make a balance of things destroyed and things built before, durning and after the war. That made me change, and i have to say that by 1940 standars spain obviously was super centered in showing the carnage and horror the reds caused. But ironically nowadays they are the "good guys" due to 3 decades of speaking about good guys and bad guys in order to have political parties that say: hey we are the heoric good guys such as those of the past, and that hapens also from the other side of the political spectrum. The funny thing its the spain of the 60s and 70s was less separated and was more forgiving with its own people than the spain of the 2020s wich its looking like the 1920s more and more thanks to enforced separation made by political parties that just want votes. Again: if you can support or "be" in one side or another in a war in wich your country its not actively fighting , remember that probably thats biased thanks to your media, or your values, and if you are gonna be biased its better to be biased due to your own personal values than what the goverment of turn says about who are the baddies. In resume: its better to think and believe by yourself and your values or studies, (you can be wrong of course) than believing on the reality that another person, entity, goverment allows you "to consume" (that will be always wrong).

Why do people all think that any authoritarian moviment in 1900s was "fascist"? We only had fascism in britain, Italy and austria (Mosley, Mussolini and Dolfuß). Fascism has its own philosophy and being authoritarian does not instantly make a country fascist

Thanks for the more in depth look at this - nuance is a thing after all! 👍

what wizardry is this! I was thinking of this very fact yesterday.😱

What did Tolkien think of the IRA, whose ideology was both Catholic and Marxist? 11:10 Not all nationalism is authoritarian. "Statism" would be a better word for that sort of thing, whereas "nationalism" implies resistance against an imperialist or globalist aggressor. The Czech and Slovak Resistance (which was ironically backed by imperialist England) represents that kind of nationalism.

I would say He Liked Franco for the simple fact after the civil war Franco Tried and succeed having spain Out of another world war.

But Tolkien didn't "support" Franco. That's kind of clickbait.

Thanks for the video, I was wondering how to obtain more space in my library, with this info I think that I have a good option to leave some space for more democratic authors

2:00 "Lack of Sympathy" from whom? 5:00 That isn't how Peter Kemp told it in his memoir. He said that the Falange tried to kill Franco. So Franco killed them instead.

It's sad, but sometimes we have to support the lesser of two evils. The great Spanish author Miguel de Unamuno found himself in a similar struggle; he supported Franco at the beginning but denounced him once he saw the ugly realities of fascism.

NO MORE BROTHER WARS

9:35 I think there was, perhaps same letter, perhaps another one, where he considered that some on Franco's side was excessive retaliation, but that a lust for revenge was as natural in those too hardly dealt with, as feelings of lust in a rape victim. So, he didn't disbelieve _all_ stories of cruelties on Franco's side. I don't disbelieve those involving Yagüe.

I appreciate your effort to remain impartial

I don't claim, to be a historian, but my understanding is that the western "democracies" supported the republic during the Spanish civil war.

I guess a reminder that our heroes are human, subject to flaw, folly and bias, just as we are, nice to know.

11:22 >"benevolent king" >"one party system" Ummmm... These are the same thing. Not contradictory in the least.

Tolkien emphasis that he doesn't like the fascist party of Italy and the Nazi.

Franco was a bit of an odd dictator in that he softened quite a lot over the course of his reign. That is not to say that he did not do terrible things, but the overwhelming majority of his atrocities were committed during the war and his early years in power, and toward his last years, he planned for when he would inevitably bow out. That said, whatever atrocious deeds Franco committed, I blame the Spanish Republicans for creating the circumstances that made his dictatorship possible in the first place.

Tolkien: con franco esto no pasaba.

It sounds like he choose the lesser of two evils from his perspective.

Genuinely a shame if true. Given he's easily ome of my Favorite authors yet all Legends have there own skeletons in the closet 😕

There's no controversy about Franco. He defeated the communists and kept Spain from becoming an Albania à la Enver Hoxha, which at one point was the 4th poorest country in the world. Albanians under Hoxha earned $25/month; that would have been Spain should it have fallen to the commies. Granted, Franco should have probably have stepped down at one point, but nonetheless, without him Spain would've completely imploded under communism.

I was always taught, here in America, that Franco was a horrible dictator. It wasn't until well into adulthood I realized that he saved Spain from communist hell.

Because he was part of the bourgeoisie even if he produced the lord of the rings, he was for a class system like in fascism

I think Tolkien was closest to the Carlist faction of Nationalists, not falangists or francoists.

Tolkien was a conservative, I wouldn't say he was far right, but his conception of an ideal society is rooted in a past that is pure fantasy. The Shire etc. England never looked anything like that, that we know of.

Franco was not a Spanish Hitler. He was personally a monarchist but did not believe Alfonso 13 or his son were suitable monarchs, so Franco declared himself Regent. Franco never participated in persecution of Jews, and adopted no anti-Jewish legislation. He maintained military neutrality in WW2, refusing to allow the Germans to conquer Gibraltar through the Spanish mainland. His anti--Communism made him a strong US ally during the Cold War, allowing US bases in Spain even before it was admitted to NATO. Ultimately, Franco paved the way for restoration of a constitutional monarchy in Spain by appointing King Juan Carlos as his successor, fully knowing Juan Carlos would not try to be an absolute monarch. The Leftists Franco fought in the Civil War themselves committed War crimes and crimes against humanity including murders of clergy and Soviet-directed purges of Trotskyists, Anarchists and Syndicalists. These atrocities were noted even by defenders of the Spanish Republic, including George Orwell. The Spanish Communists also stole gold from the Republic's treasury, shipping it to Moscow. The historical view of Franco should be nuanced, in contrast to that of Hitler, who was a villain in all respects. ⚖️

Where's the documented evidence?

I knew that Tolkien was based, but I didn't know he was THAT based!

Mmm… the comment section is prime example of how TLotR, for all its greatness, has for too long served just fine as conservative catalyst.

Viva Cristo Rey!

Tolkien and Lewis looked like Frodo and Sam.

This was one of my favorite of your videos yet.

The anarchists burned churches and killed priests, but it were extremists, and they didn’t really were government sancioned. Meanwhile the francoists knew that people tendes to hide from his bombs on churches, so he sistematically bombed every church in order to kill as many people as possible. And then he said that he was the defender of the church. Then he literally enslaved all the people considered republicans to build his pharaonic tomb (el valle de los caidos)

Based Tolkien

5:30 Parts of the reason for the brutality of the war was that Franco preferred liberating Moscardó over Madrid. Do you think Aragorn's choice to get Merry and Pippin from the Orcs owed sth to Franco / Moscardó?

Tolkien was a good man, a man of Tradition. That is the reason

Francisco Franco was not strictly fascist in the proper term, he was something Gustavo Bueno calls right-wing socialist, just like Bismarck, Miguel Primo de Rivera, Perón, Salazar or De Gaulle. Franco created a strong interventionist and welfare state by starting a revolution from the top with the help of the labor movement and syndicates. Already Marx and Engels spoke about a "clerical" or "reactionary" socialism, it's a anti-communist and anti-socialdemocrat socialism that seeks to maintain the existing structure of society. Franco's Spain had free and universal education and healthcare, it had workers' rights and unions, low-cost living and housing that was available to all. There was no scientific or 19th-century racism in Spain, there were black representatives in Las Cortes and Equatoguineans were considered fully-fledged Spaniards and were given those same benefits of the welfare state, which is why today Equatorial Guinea has the highest literacy rate in all of Africa. Franco aligned himself with his Hispanic and Iberophone brothers regardless of ideological confrontations, he helped out Cuba in the middle of the Cold War being one of the few "Western" countries willing to trade and negotiate with communist Cuba. Franco won the Civil War thanks to the Riffian Moroccans and for this he was greatly indebted. Franco never recognized Israel and was personal friends with several of the Arab nationalist leaders like Nasser, the Kings of Jordan and Saudi Arabia. Franco's Spain never recognized the State of Israel and was neutral in the Suez Canal crisis. I am Cuban and communist and I respect Franco, he saved Spain from entering WWII and kept the nation united which risked potential balkanization under the leadership of the Republicans and communists, communists that just waved by anything that came from Moscow as the God-given truth and had no authentic sovereign or self-determined movement. Under Franco Spain was the eight industrial powerhouse in the world, Franco is a great leader that we need more of in the modern day. Don't get me wrong, he did many bad things but at least Franco is better than most liberal politicians of today.

Your introduction, covering the history of Spain between 1931 and 1936 (when the military coup started the 1936-39 civil war), is completely biased. It starts saying that king Alfonso XIII was deposed. In fact, he left the country, self-exiling to France, upon the victory of the left in the municipal elections. The left, but also other parties, were republican. The elections proved the majority of republicans in Spain, which made sense in a country were king Alfonso had betrayed the constitution and been complicit in a military dictatorship, since general Primo de Rivera's coup in 1923. Therefore, the king knew the Republic was coming and left the country. The 2nd Republic was proclaimed. The military and reactionaries in general immediately started to conspire. A coup attempt was made in 1932 by general Sanjurjo but failed. Then, when the right won the 1934 elections, they made such an arbitray use of power, as part of their strategy against the Republic, that a miners revolt took place in Asturias, where general Franco was dispached to crush it in a bloodbath. Their government was so terrible it lost again the following elections of 1936. The left and other republicans won. The military and the right started to prepare for the next coup, of 17 july 1936. The military were fascists. General Miguel Primo de Rivera's son, Antonio Primo de Rivera, was the founder, main ideologue, and political leader of Falange, the Spanish fascist party, inspired by the Italians. So this whole thing, in Spain, had been developing during the 1920's, in parallel with Italy. Fascism was spreading across the world, just as communism was. Some fascists were Catholic, other were atheists, against the Church, or simpy despising it. On the other hand, a vast majority of republicans were Catholics, also among workers, not just among the bourgeoisie. The permanent conspirations of Spanish reactionaries and military, against the Republic, did not only have to do with the left-right political divide. It also had to do, to a great extent, with national identities. Franco himself would declare, explicitly, how the issue of Catalonia had been a key factor in the military rebellion and war of attrition. A war that did not just seek to remove the republican left from power, but actually to physically exterminate the "enemy": i.e. all that might resist, including the left, democrats in general (even Catholic conservatives, even priests), and Catalans, Basques, etc., who sought recognition of their national identity, self-government, or simply to be allowed to speak their language, without being fined or even murdered. The Spanish reactionaries, and the military, were fighting a colonial war, a genocidal war. That was central to their coup, same way it had been in the military coup of 1923. It is true that the military coup and start of the war caused in response a revolutionary attempt by much of the left, one which even succeeded in Catalonia, as George Orwell witnessed. In the chaos caused by the military, who were defeated and made prisoners in Barcelona on 19 July, many of their weapons ended up in the hands of revolutionary unionists, mostly CNT-FAI anarchists. The anarchists had hundreds of thousands of unionised workers in Catalonia. They were suddenly pretty much in control of Catalonia, in a very strange and delicate cohabitation with the Catalan government, which was in the hands of the moderate republican left, not revolutionary. In those circumstances, anarchists collectivised the economy (the industry, commerce, etc., even the agriculture in many places) and armed revolutionary "patrols", which the government could not control, would often kidnap and murder catholics and business owners, whoever they deemed an enemy of the revolution, including hundreds or even thousands of priests, also burning many churches, etc. That was horrible but not representative of republicans in general. The fascists would murder far more Catholics (more than a hundred thousand), by an order of magnitude, than the revolutionaries (who may have murdered close to ten thousand). It was therefore completely wrong, as a Catholic, to support the fascists. Most Catalan and Basque Catholics opposed the fascists even more than they opposed the revolutionaries. Spanish Catholics that sided with the military did so as reactionaries and ultranationalists, a lot more than as Catholics, specifically hating Catalans even more than "atheists" and leftists in general. It is true that, after the military coup, once the war and the ensuing opportunistic revolutionary attempt were ongoing, to support the legitimate Republican government involved a risk that, if it won, USSR-backed communists might take control. But that was just a risk, and it had been caused by those who started the war. It was not a reason to support them! Geopolitically, one can understand the concern of western conservatives, that a defeat of the Spanish military might bring a smaller USSR-like regime. But was it better to support the allies of Hitler and Mussolini? Spain was very close to join the Axis until 1942. Had it joined the Axis, WW2 might have ended differently. Germany might have been able to start Operation Barbarossa on time, as planned, and defeated the USSR instead of grinding to a halt during winter, never reaching the oil fields of Baku. If Germany had defeated the USSR swiftly, thoroughly, WW2 would probably have been over pretty soon. The US and Great Britain would likely have sought, just as Germany, to cease hostilities. Germany being in control of the east (with all its human and natural resources and its industrial capacity), it would have immediately become much stronger militarily in the west. We might well have ended up in a Cold War with a fascist instead of communist block, extending from the Iberian Peninsula, France, etc., to Japan and its colonies. Anyway, this was a bit of speculation, historical fiction, though very plausible. What was not speculation is that the Spanish military were fascists, perpetrating a coup and a war of attrition to exterminate half of Spain "if necessary", a genocidal war that sought the destruction of Catalonia and any other ethnicity, language, national identity, that spoiled their dream of a unitary, Spanish speaking nation that never existed, as an enlarged Crown of Castile that should devour and occupy the whole Iberian Peninsula. A dream that still stands and dictates policy. The facists appropriated the state and molded political culture in Spanish speaking Spain unimpeded, systematically, over 40 years, between 1936 and 1976. Their nationalism, their imperialism, their authoritarianism, still impregnate Spanish speaking Spain, even among PSOE "socialists", in government. PSOE, in fact, had already supported the military coup and dictatorship of general Primo de Rivera, out of nationalism. Most cadres of PSOE since the 1960s and 1970s have been the sons and daughters, and now grandchildren, of the fascist dictatorship establishment that ruled Spain since 1939. Tolkien was wrong. He should better have kept to his world of fantasy.

Beacuse he had a house in la comarca

Tolkien was a luddite who tended to dislike anything about machine culture. I have heard that.

Tolkien so based as allways!

The "Red Menace" was in no way "so called." It WAS a menace. It's a mistake to focus on the ideology and the verbiage, slogans, and so on - every single time groups have sought power while cloaking themselves in those ideas, the end result has been the brutal slaughter of millions of people. We focus a lot on the murder of Jews by Hitler, but meanwhile Stalin was also slaughtering anyone even a little bit opposed to him. The bottom line is that ANY set of ideas that place enormous power in the hands of a small group of "visionary leaders" leads to that same bad outcome - all that's in question is the scale of it. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot... no difference. Death ensues. EVERYONE should stand against this set of ideas. That doesn't mean that we don't seek fairness for our populations - it just means that we don't go all the way to that extreme. It's simply too much power for the majority of human beings to resist abusing.

While we're on the subject; mine where of trouble>>>>>>>>>>>> homage to Catalonia and for whom the bell tolls.

6:22

Because he was extremely intelligent

What the heck??!! There were no antisemitic policies in Franco's Spain.

I find this hard to believe. Here in Spain, fantasy lovers have a hard on for Tolkien, yet they are quick to call you a fascist if you as little as make fun of The Rings of Power. If Tolkien really had been a supporter of Franco, he wouldn’t have the place he has here.

Uhhhh BASED ALERT

Tolkien was a smart man, and wise to follow his prescriptions. Franco was useful to bring back order and security from the terrorism and lawlessness of republican spain, but he was still a big overarching state proponent.

Wasn't Franco a National Syndicalist?

Because Franco was a dictator, but not a fascist. The Falange tried to depose him with H mans support- and failed.

The Spanish civil war was a true breeding ground for atrocities on both sides. The murder of thousands of catholics was horrendous . I recently learnt in my family history about 200 hundred years on my mother's side they were Catholic, and they were driven from their home city in England.

Spain old roman province damn rebels

To understand Spain, you have to listen to Chancellor Bismark: "Spain is the strongest country in the world. The Spaniards have spent centuries trying to destroy it and still haven't succeeded." After your head stops spinning at the appalling implications you may be more forgiving of Franco's faults and appreciative of his work.

When someone uses "fascist", "totalitarian" and "authoritarian" as synonims, and to describe Franco's Spain, it's a good indicator that he knows nothing about the political regime he's describing. People were way more free from any influence from the State in their daily lives than in any contemporary Liberal democracy.

Why are you using a phrase "so called"?

FRANCISCO FRANCO PRESENTE

I’d be surprised but they only really blacklisted the leftists, not so much the Nazis sadly enough.

Franco Regime was authoritharian not totalitatirian like Nazis or Fascist, this is a big différence. For exemple Franco was against Germany expansion during WW2.

An enemy of Communism is a friend of mine

Why would you ever need to explain yourself for fighting commies?

It was true, except in the heat of the war maybe some barbaric acts were on both sides That wasn't true Franco gave passports to all the Sephardic, that asked for in diverse Embassies that is one of the reasons why en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perlasca_%E2%80%93_Un_eroe_Italiano Both worked under the Spanish flag and Francos orders What he totally detested was Masons and he knew what he was talking about his father and brothers were masons.

May I know your primary tongue? Your accent haven't heard before..

After a week in Spain Hitler said he preferred to have three teeth removed than see Franco again. 🤣

The more I learn about Tolkien, the more I wish to have met him in person as his student

I prefer Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera, but Franco was just okay in my opinion.

Lets gooooooo based Tolkien

Viva France! Viva CHRISTO REI! Arriba Espana! P.S. Wow. C.S. Lewis bought into the Anti-Franco propaganda. smh 😔

Lore of Why Tolkien Supported Franco momentum 100

Franco no did nothing wrong

Because Franco was based

Wron. Go and see the composition of the Popular Front and don't mention parties that not even existed.