Why Tyrion was Talking About Stories in Game of Thrones Season 8

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Michael Talks About Stuff

4 ай бұрын

If you were confused and wondering why Tyrion started talking about stories in season 8 of game of thrones, wonder no more. I will try explain the book themes that might have lead us to this seemingly random reason to choose a king. Luckily in the books it is a little more well set up and we can assume it won't be handled in the same way, but the general idea seems to have come from GRRM.
The fact that it fell flat is just partly due to it being shoved in randomly without the proper context. Also the way it was presented was just a bit silly and out of left field. But that doesn't mean it will be silly in the books.

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@JimRFF
@JimRFF 4 ай бұрын
This is a really cool idea when you assume ASoIaF was written by George as a social commentary on his contemporary world, an allegory for our society -- trying to build a culture based off of "fear of the Other" is inherently violent and internally destructive, and the only way to move forward as a progressive society is to define culture on "shared stories" and social mores and norms, rather than trying to make a xenophobic exclusive societal culture work (eg, the feudal monarchy CANNOT be a stable source of political identity, as we see with literally EVERY second-most-powerful house betraying the most-powerful house in every major realm of Westeros)
@Hero_Of_Old
@Hero_Of_Old 4 ай бұрын
But its not though. Look at where our 'progressive society' is leading us. I give it 10 years at most, and then we will return to more traditional way of living because thats in accordance with natural law. Progressivism isnt.
@setelliott9683
@setelliott9683 4 ай бұрын
You basically just described the difference between screen writers and literature writers, and why new books are fun and feel new, but new shows are the same thing reskinned. 😂😅
@gawkthimm6030
@gawkthimm6030 2 ай бұрын
spot on
@hhistertheosis
@hhistertheosis 2 ай бұрын
That's not true. Shows are visual and the style is more standardized and obvious but you see pretty much the same themes in books that are going for ages. And the majority is more vulnerable to shows than books because shows enter our homes more easily. But I get what you are saying though.
@meki6891
@meki6891 2 ай бұрын
Funny how all the parts the show cut out (at least as displayed in the graph) are in fact the backbone of Elden Ring’s narrative
@j3fr0uk
@j3fr0uk 4 ай бұрын
Can't wait to see you on Lightbringer's...😁
@JamieEgg-qs9mc
@JamieEgg-qs9mc 4 ай бұрын
Great video! I think you’re right about the dynamics and differences between the books and the show in that the show simplifies or leaves out a lot of important themes, elements, complexities, possibilities, and content, such as the consciousness magic. I think we should keep this in mind when interpreting the show’s take on “Bran sitting the throne” and saving humanity in Westeros. I think we should also keep this in mind when interpreting House of the Dragon’s take on the prophecy they call “a song of ice and fire.” I think House of the Dragon is also leaving out many complexities and possibilities. While in the books we are told of several Targaryens throughout the generations being given various dreams by the tree consciousness or other sources, this all is simplified and conflated into a single prophecy inscribed on a dagger and passed down verbally among generations of Targaryens.
@staytuned2L337
@staytuned2L337 4 ай бұрын
Huzzah! More content! 🎉🎉
@eziowayne
@eziowayne 4 ай бұрын
Love your theory videos! Keep up the great work dude!
@tombullard123
@tombullard123 4 ай бұрын
I thought it was them trying to redeem themselves and say “well its about our story thats the most important thing who has the best story which is us”
@Headshot1st
@Headshot1st 2 ай бұрын
George seeing this channel going back to see if he can change anything
@eric2500
@eric2500 4 ай бұрын
Bran also has the memory of all the wrong turnings.
@Yamaazaka
@Yamaazaka 3 ай бұрын
What?
@BeteBlanc
@BeteBlanc 4 ай бұрын
You have me nibbling on this hook. Bran as a sort of Arc or liferaft for the combined knowledge the passing tree wants to leave behind. I think it works with an argument I make about who the God on Earth was in the Empire of the Dawn. You can really get a feel for everything gathered around the fire in the dark waiting for the light, Bran telling everyone what they'll need to do to rebuild when it does. I hesitate to embarrass such absolutes, but from a certain point of view they make sense. There is an underlying question about what a Stark actually is and what they were that I think might serve your theory well. Why would a Stark need to do it?
@michaeltalksaboutstuff
@michaeltalksaboutstuff 4 ай бұрын
I could see it needing to be a Stark if on some level or another Bran the Builder kicked off this situation and his body might still be strapped down there somewhere under Winterfell and the Stark's need to deal with it. That is one of the things I am coming around to thinking is more likely, Bran the Builder's still living body being down in the deepest levels of the crypts sustained on some level because he built this whole system. Almost like the Westerosi Mr. House from Fallout New Vegas
@BeteBlanc
@BeteBlanc 4 ай бұрын
@@michaeltalksaboutstuff I've been spending a lot of thought on the patterns and symbolism. There is an aspect of Bran and the Starks that I'm trying to iron out. In your opinion what can a Lion of Night be? More specifically do you think it would have to literally be a lion? Could a a direwolf be considered a LoN? With that what would you believe to be a better "Maiden", sun or moon? Would you consider the combination of a leaping silver trout (crescent moon) and a direwolf to be an effective symbolic instance of a child born of LoN and Maiden? Do you dig deep into symbolism? There is an argument based on Prometheus I'd like to run past someone but it relies heavily on a deep dive into symbolism and most people seem to prefer more simple and straightforward interpretation. Additionally, I think there might be an Andal crown symbolism inherent in placing Others into/onto weirwoods, but it's early days for that.
@dim391
@dim391 4 ай бұрын
Another banger of a theory video 🙌🏼🙌🏼 This particular theory has me thinking if the Others are either: Ice humanoids that were once Green Men or Children of the Forest First Men turned Others Or if the Others always existed in the Lands of Always Winter, and either Children or First Men turned to them for aid by offering sacrifices and things got out of hand
@zachschroeder1796
@zachschroeder1796 3 ай бұрын
I wonder if in the books Jon will, as Azor Ahai reborn, end up sacrificing Bran at a weirwood like the children do to the man in the flashback in the show. like as a way to implant the hivemind back into a new weirwood network (possibly on the isle of faces). it would explain the repetition in the Last Hero/Azor Ahai stories if it was so similar due to them being different occurrences of the same cycle. every few thousand years the wierwoods go all dark and need to be rebooted, a greenseer needs to download the hivemind database (like a human flash drive), take it to a fresh network and install it (via ritual sacrifice) then the old trees need to be burned so new ones can grow.
@ireneyoung2818
@ireneyoung2818 4 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@snocades
@snocades 4 ай бұрын
Another banger 👍
@eric2500
@eric2500 4 ай бұрын
Bran knows/ can download/ time travel/ learn /understand that the Others are the common enemy and or the balancing force to keep human excesses in check. If society falls apart he will have to reconfigure it, which he will, as a super long lived king. Duneishly.
@WaywardWhiteWalker
@WaywardWhiteWalker 4 ай бұрын
I don't get the idea that there is going to be a "download" of all the weir information into Bran. Why would he be able to do that? He can remember some of it, yes, but all? And, the information he does get doesn't mean facts. He gets the memories of people with all the opinions and misinformation that goes with it.
@gawkthimm6030
@gawkthimm6030 2 ай бұрын
that is something I'm hoping for, a schizophrenic mind, full of internal conflict and misinformation
@VirtualHolocaust
@VirtualHolocaust 4 ай бұрын
honestly i coulld have accepted it more if it was basically anyone but bran. But bran first of all was annoying. basically didnt do a whole lot through the entire show.
@eric2500
@eric2500 4 ай бұрын
If the world tree system is to start anew in a better way, Bran has got to be more than a new body for B-raven / 3ECrow - he has retain enough Bran - ness to become Bran Plus Hive Mind, with the knowledge to institute controlof and balance with the Others.
@DD-ok2pt
@DD-ok2pt 4 ай бұрын
I think you make a good point that things that are tossed in out of the blue were directions from GRRM. It’s sad that they made such a dogs meal of the books. Imagine they thought they could tell a better story than GRRM. One thing I did pick up in season eight is the death of the Night King. I swear that was foreshadowed in Season 1 Episode 1 when Arya popped out of nowhere and hit the bullseye. Another thing that I have spotted that must be in the books because there was no reason to put it unless GRRM told them to, was the way the Night King “died”. He shattered in ice exactly how Blood Raven shattered in smoke. But we know that Blood Raven actually didn’t die he just skin changed into Bran. I believe that the Noght King also did not die but skin changed into a dead person.Someone who already had bright blue eyes that wouldn’t be noticed or questioned. Tormund. The other clue from GRRM in the eight season was that the “final” battle was mid-season . Because I believe that the final battle hasn’t even begun. What we have seen is just the Night King setting up the board in his favor. It is impossible to fight someone like Bran/3-Eyed Raven who can see all. I think the entire series we’ve only seen half and that these 8 season was the Night King setting up his chess board. As is he knows he can’t win so he orchestrates his own “death”. Literally right in front of Bran/3-Eyed Raven and also under the Winterfell Heart tree. This ensured that he was “officially” dead and that the entity who can see all Bran-3Eyed Raven will no longer look for him. Also, it was not lost on me that his shattered body melted into the earth under the Winterfell heart tree. This is the ultimate blood?ice sacrifice. I think that that Night King had just entered the Matrix. So yes, season 8 was horrible but I found so many clues because they were so clumsy putting them in.
@michaeltalksaboutstuff
@michaeltalksaboutstuff 4 ай бұрын
Agreed, season 8 while bad was one of the biggest clues we could ever get to how things will end. The issue is you need to be very careful wading through the mess and trying to link it up with GRRM clues and themes from the actual books and interviews and such. Definitely some interesting things to think about here, Arya hitting the bullseye is a good one. I do really think she is being set up by the faceless men to bring death to these immortal undying beings on some level or another. Also the night's king organizing his own death in front of the heart tree is another thing I think might be what he/the bodies who cast the others want in the books. Idk if we were ever supposed to read the events of the show that way but I do think it works with the book themes.
@not_averge
@not_averge 4 ай бұрын
"unite under stories" xd I'm having a great time to this in the water closet
@leonardosilva9690
@leonardosilva9690 4 ай бұрын
I like all of your ideas about the endgame, exept that you forgot one thing: George has already told us that the end will be bittersweet. So all of that stuff about the world tree and a cycle of rebirth may not go so right as you think
@chefkda
@chefkda 4 ай бұрын
I think there should be a new reference book. A Before and After the World of Ice and Fire. It would take more than the ASOIAF books to explain everything.
@milkmilk2328
@milkmilk2328 4 ай бұрын
Strange that she adds "before you too."
@christopher1367
@christopher1367 3 ай бұрын
Uh, Tyrion says that bran is their memory because he knows all of history. Right? This is….. something
@KarlKarsnark
@KarlKarsnark 4 ай бұрын
Call me Old Fashioned, but I've found the tried and true "Oderint dum metuant." approach to running an Empire has always worked best, and seems to be popular with Others.
@michaeltalksaboutstuff
@michaeltalksaboutstuff 4 ай бұрын
It certainly does keep the people in line
@KarlKarsnark
@KarlKarsnark 4 ай бұрын
@@michaeltalksaboutstuff "A peaceful land, a quiet people." -Roose Bolton
@grahamthorpe5033
@grahamthorpe5033 4 ай бұрын
The thing that really bothered me about season 8 is they call them selfs the 7 kingdoms when theres 8 or 9
@SS-hz4jo
@SS-hz4jo 4 ай бұрын
This video confirms my suspicions. The way Bran says, “I cannot be Lord of anything”, seems like a something a woman in GOT would say. Perhaps Shay. “You were right right where you were supposed to be”, sounds like Bran said that as Lyana Stark, Ned Stark, the measter of the Night’s Watch or even Rhygar Targeryian would. “Why do you think I came all this way”, sounds like that was Blood Raven or better yet, Vyseris. Coming from Vyseris, that’d be a nod to his banter with Tyrion. I have not read the books, yet.
@jasonmendoza2044
@jasonmendoza2044 4 ай бұрын
It’s so incredibly refreshing to have someone who doesn’t feel the need to endlessly bash the show, but instead uses their intellect to deduce what was really going on and come to an understanding and acceptance of it all. Fact is if any random person that had no idea of story/book versions of the story or anything watched season 8 they would say it was the most crazy and amazing show ever. But since we all have/had certain expectations and prior/differing knowledge of things we noticed the oddities and shortcomings. The show as a whole deserves a lot more respect than most people try and give it nowadays. That being said PLEASE GIVE US WINDS OF WINTER GEORGE WE ARE DESSSSPPPERRRAAATTTEE! Lol
@chefkda
@chefkda 4 ай бұрын
Interesting theory. I appreciate the D&D in a nutshell version, where there's plenty of ambiguity. Mostly think the magic needs to stay hidden within the final chapters of the books. A lot of people who watched the show don't even care about Bran, the magic, or dragons. They just wanted politics and dialogue. So I agree with D&D's version, with just letting the audience figure it out for themselves.
@gawkthimm6030
@gawkthimm6030 2 ай бұрын
WHAT!!!
@emrek99205
@emrek99205 4 ай бұрын
The first line of the first book thing is just grasping at straws. It is the literary equivalent to number theory or scientology. Sure it seems like it, but there isn't any evidence that the first line has anything to do with the ending of the story. The first line is just setting the scene by invoking a person's belief that they've been somewhere for too long. It then goes on to further describe the scene as being dark and cold. It has nothing to do with society or feudal fear and shouldn't be connected to that cause it isn't.
@steffurness
@steffurness 4 ай бұрын
The evidence is that George's literary inspirations include authors that construct their stories as such - either starting with the end, or literally creating the story in a circular manner so that reading the first line after the last line fully completes the intended idea or philosophy.
@JeffPenaify
@JeffPenaify 4 ай бұрын
@@steffurnessit also includes authors who didnt neccessarily do that, its tenuous at best
@JB-fp3fb
@JB-fp3fb 4 ай бұрын
There isn't any evidence that a line from the books has anything to do with the ending, or overall meaning, of those books? What? GRRM chose to put that line in there. He even gave it a place of special prominence, as the very first line in the series. That doesn't just happen by accident. It sounds like you have the same attitude, and level of literacy, as Benioff and Weiss; "That stuff doesn't matter. Themes (and analysis) are just for 8th grade book reports."
@not_averge
@not_averge 4 ай бұрын
So?
@not_averge
@not_averge 4 ай бұрын
Still it's bad very bad with this "explanation"
@not_averge
@not_averge 4 ай бұрын
Basing on society on stories is stupid just like most of everything Tho a political change dosen't matter you can have absolute monarchy and it still beeing more progressive than a "elective moarchy"
@eziowayne
@eziowayne 4 ай бұрын
@@not_averge “beeing” 🐝
@michaeltalksaboutstuff
@michaeltalksaboutstuff 4 ай бұрын
When I explain parts of what I think happened in season 8 don't assume I am ever saying it was good. But I am interested in the puzzle that is how did we get from what GRRM told them to the ending we got and trying to figure out what bits came from where. More out of curiosity and trying to figure out the book themes than any desire to say season 8 was actually ok.
@eziowayne
@eziowayne 4 ай бұрын
@@michaeltalksaboutstuff don’t let comments like these discourage you!
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