the Dark Knight holocron

Lol I saw that xD

Contains the once powerful Sith lord heart of.....Alfred.

I almost never comment but I just wanted you to know that was so funny lmao

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It makes sense too, since the Sith get stronger through succession. I think the closest thing you're allowed to a crutch is having an apprentice as an apprentice.

@@Sernival GOOD POINT! Yeah anything made by a previous master would have to be, at least in their minds, inferior to what they could do themselves.

i care not for disneys new lore -in the book of sith, it is described how sith light saber crystals are constructed via some raw elements and dark side meditation. ~Much like the relics, the crystals were manifestations of THEIR WILL. So, its actualyl a good thing to MAKE relics, but it would demonstrate weakness to be a mere user.

Bañe himself learned everything he knew from artifacts and spent much time creating artifacts of his own, why would ban them?

If the sith were to be fully destroyed (via rule of 2) artifacts act as a failsafe, a regular individual who is force sensitive may become sith and retain some level of strength compared to those before. Through hundreds of generations there is little concern of the siths complete destruction as another artifact will be uncovered someday. Bane was interested in the increase in the siths power, he's not unaware of risks towards that path regarding the rule of 2 has.

I mean true but he did plan to rule with the force eventually and he probably would not be able to maintain power without it. The death star is a force weapon the world destroying beam was fueled by kyber crystals which as we know kyber crystals have the force in them, it's pretty much just a massive lightsaber for Palpatine.

Those gathered officers scoff because they've only read about Jedi and Sith in books of fable; Tarkin is the only one of them who has ever seen the powers of either up close, and the hubris of at least one of the officers results in great pain and\or death.

@@calebsargent6902 Except Palpatine didn't intend to "rule through the Force". This is a fan-written recontextualisation that doubles down on too much old EU sources that wanted weird wizard Palpatine to take the center stage over the crooked, frail-looking tyrant with a penchant for making mass murder weapons and use them, and not the Force, to rule the galaxy. What's even more, the Original Trilogy Palpatine, that was the single most powerful Force-user in the Galaxy but still chose to rule through technological terrors rather than his Force Lightning, is perfectly in line with the actual philosophical differences between the Sith and the Jedi. The Sith hoarded power and knowledge, greedily and jealously. Sith Masters did not willingly surrender or bestow knowledge to their apprentices. Their apprentices had to rip the knowledge out forcefully, so to speak. Palpatine was never meant to be the sponsor of baby Vader and his bumbling band of morons with unhinged personalities and spinning lightsabers. To the Sith, the Force was the ultimate power and a very special gift, so it was not meant for the masses to appreciate or even be terrified by, it was meant to be the tools of a select few. A select two, to be more exact. To the galaxy at large, the Emperor was not the Dark Lord of the Sith, but the frail-looking scary tyrant with a deep voice and a hideous face. It was his will, and the strength of his purpose and vision for the galaxy, that caused some of the most sinister but brilliant minds, like Tarkin and Thrawn, to subscribe so loyally to Palpatine's Empire. And while Motti is made to look like an idiot for disregarding the power of the Force, he is not wrong in his assesment. Even Darth Vader, who makes the specific point of reminding Motti that the Force was also formidable, was a bigger threat at the head of Death Squadron than simply on his own. Even new canon also pays homage to this notion. The very fact that the new writers decided to put kyber crystals at the heart of the functionality of the Death Star is a genius move. It takes one of the most exotic and ephemeral aspects of Jedi lore - the use of kyber crystals to power their lightsabers, acquired through profoundly spiritual experiences in the planet Ilum - and twists and corrupts it into weapons of mass destruction to be used at the beck and call of a regular joe, like Tarkin, completely divorced from the gifts of the Force.

Yes, because Palpafail had no Attunement to the Force. Vader hardly had too. Which weakened both. The Modern Sith aren't even a shadow of the Ancient Sith, Force wise. Now, Palpy had immense power in regard to manipulation, but combat/Force Powers wise? He was nada, compared to the Old Masters. I mean, having to make your Master SO drunk, he waved in and out comatic state, to be able to kill him? BAH! And only because he had no patience, he could not resist that title.

@@Xogroroth666 EU Sidious has no equal in the Sith, absolutely nobody comes close. Vitiate? Pfft. Ritual master, nothing more.

The artefacts were items of personal power. While the Sith in the days of Palpatine had no lack of personal power to go around, the Sith never created their plans to depend upon personal power to succeed. It's a fundamental shift in philosophy. Every duel between a Sith Lord and a Jedi in the prequels is actually a travesty: all the Sith Lord really needed to do was survive, because the ultimate trap for the Jedi was set and by the time Dooku unleashed the Clone Wars, it is already too late.

I somewhat agree the main reason why modern sith abandoned these artifacts was a fundamental change in their philosophy with the rule of 2. The rule of 2 consolidated all of the Sith's previous power and knowledge into 2 individuals so there wasn't a need to search for old artifacts when it was more important to develop something new that could be passed down. However the ancient Sith were constantly competing with each other and trying to gain every advantage they could over their rivals so they would seek out these artifacts of power.

IIRC the mask and a glove were the only remnants of the suit that remained partially intact after the death star blew up.

There was also a novel from young jedi knights I think about Vaders glove

He died a jedi and became a Force Ghost hence his dark side soul couldn't taint the remnant of his armor.

@@kanadashyuugo873 I was thinking that too

It eventually would have happened, but Vader became a force ghost before that could've happened, unlike Sith like Momin or Nihilus.

But did ya tho

@@Naefacesix6six yes

@@LenoxVeleno hmmmmm

I was wrong

But it could've been a possibility as well

Good theory tho! Could very well have been true

@@Thechosen1Gaming thanks man

Agreed

And yet Darth Bane himself used the holocrons of Darth Revan, Freedon Nadd, Darth Andeddu and others to build his power. And created a holocron of his own.

@@scottboa2738 Holocrons are different they aren't artifacts that artificially gives you powerboost it's knowledge that grow your power it's different

@@Exekort He used the orbalisk armor

@@rohansampat1995 not by choice reread the fist few chapters of the rule of two

I think the problem is more about Star Wars having a fucking time machine than how Palpatine reacted to it. The World Between Worlds was by far the most powerful artifact any sith had ever seen. He grabs that and I don't think even Abeloth could stop him. He did whatever he possibly could to get the stupidly OP prize.

@@classarank7youtubeherokeyb63 As would nearly anyone; Jedi or Sith. I don’t think “time machine” is quite the right term, but I also don’t see it as an “artifact” either. To me, it’s more like a natural phenomenon; much like the force itself. In all seriousness, Ezra should’ve never gained access to it without his mind or soul being shredded in the process. Same with Ahsoka. Maybe we’ll find out more now that the Ahsoka series seems to be moving ahead. There’s also talk of a crossover with Obi-Wan, which wouldn’t be outside of Filoni’s expertise/predilection. Rebels ended on a bit of a cliffhanger, with Ezra and Thrawn not actually being shown to have died. Plus, Ahsoka already mentioned she was looking for him in The Mandalorian. I like, too, how Ahsoka was pulled forward in time rather than Ezra going back (though we could probably debate that to some degree). Here’s hoping we never get to stop asking questions 🤞😁

Personally I always thought the chamber was to maintain his suit and allow him to safely remove his helmet and mask.

Not more powerful than Revan. Maybe....MAYBE Bane

@@matthewweise8776 he was above revan since he gained more power than revan in a short amount of time also he vitiate and papaltine reborn were the only sith lords to ever archive formless spiritual cosmic ghost form without the need of a body coil, luke Skywalker compared exar kun with emperor papaltine reborn, luke Skywalker at the time he face exar kun was like 3 times stronger than vader

@@matthewweise8776 boy. Read some books

@@llab3903Not a boy, you must be confused. Now to the point...saber combat Exar could of beaten Revan. In force skills and mastery Revan wins.

@@matthewweise8776 no exar kun for mastered the dark of the force the same way vitiate and papaltine reborn did, he became one with dark side and was more powerful than revan, revan never archive god like hood

no exar kun had the ability of acknowledge absortion and power absortion every power he got was his and permanent

@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 that's a cool ability that I had no idea about

@@alsimmonshellspawn6021 Exar Kun was a the Goku of the Old Republic before people like Revan and Vitiate pulled up...

I agree, @Wit. Not even Palpatine needed his lightsaber in battle. Just pure force unlimited power! While the last new 3 movies does show Palpatine clone using a lot of artifacts (and lore) to set course the story.

@@blackshogun272 exar kun was considered a greater threat than vitiate in 4000 years by the source, vitiate was hidding at that time

Makes sense. A huge military did wipe out the Jedi so your points seem valid

Learning from a Sith Holocron for the sake of knowledge is fine but becoming reliant on wielding an artifact is a crutch, equipment can be damaged or even destroyed “I always assumed those Sith Artifacts weren’t Lightsaber resistant”

@@KumaoftheForest lol @ lightsaber resistant......

@@KumaoftheForest Lightsabers can break, and so can bodies. Lackeys can betray you, enemies can outsmart you, things can turn out to be different than you thought. There is risk in everything. The real question is if the risk of the artifact breaking is greater than the risk of not having it. After all, if my opponent beats me with my artifact, how was I going to do better without it?

damn whole ahh essay

The problem was that while in his chamber, he mostly shut off from everything outside the chamber. Also, at most times, even if vader could kill sidious, he wouldnt have done it.

nope... Sidious was well beyond Vader in many many things... ... simply because Anakins body was beyond destroyed and was mostly machine... ... if Anakin never got destroyed by Mustafar after his fight with Obi-Wan... then he most certainly would have been exponentially far more powerful than Sidious... 💯

Due to the nature of the Dark Side, Sith were unable to become at one with the force and thus become true Force Ghosts. They could only remain as ghosts that were tied to objects from their past. In essence, they would only be able to haunt their own artefacts or tombs. That being said, because their own Dark Side energy was so concentrated in these items, they would be able to have a far more profound impact on the physical world through them than a Jedi Force Ghost would. This results in events like Darth Kallig making his tomb into a realm of his own control, being able to kill anyone who entered it if he so desired while the vast majority of attacks from even a master of the Dark Side wouldn’t even phase him

Well because the Jedi were more like sages. They had no need to create artefacts since the root of their power was in their own personal connection with the force. The Jedi did make a bunch of holocrons though. Like a *lot* of them, which contained the personalities, teachings, and techniques of uncountable masters going back thousands of years. They were all stored in the temple on Coruscant and were the reason Anakin was so desperate to become a master, as only masters were allowed to use the holocrons that held the highest level, experimental, and sometimes dangerous, teachings of the Force

It’s like being a sith is selling your soul to the devil so you can get magical items and witch powers, being a Jedi is like being holy and pure, very light magic instead of hard magic

Look into Star Wars outer rim lore/creatures and you’ll be very happy

@@starfreighterpilot8086 Sweet thanks! I was wondering where to start, much appreciated 👍

I was like, wait a minute…

Darthbat.

Fr me too

@@Scylon1 Darth Vengance

I haven't heard of that, is it from comics or novels?

I think that was in Legends, not Disney canon

@@karsusnetheril8220 Guys, Vader deflects blaster shots from Han with his hands in Empire Strikes Back. I really think Vader is using Tutaminis, the same abillity that lets Yoda deflect Force lightning as we see in episodes II and III