Other Old Sith: I've only been snacking on moons the past few days, why don't we pig out and eat a solar system.

@@roberttaylor2140 Siths now: my son won't join the dark side

Old sith: I murdered my father after he abused my mother, "It was good intent though right?" No, I killed her not long after torturing her for months and months

@@highpeddle9543 New Sith: but why!? Old Sith: dont know? Felt cute, lol

@@thatoneguy2546 Other Old Sith: Dude it was awesome, tho I used alchemy to turn my mom into a disgusting quadrupedal creature that now accompanied me wherever I go. That way I’ll never forget how much I hated the bitch. I win

@Tanner Hess Palpatine knew Essence Transfer, before Disney decided to retcon everything not pertaining to the Clone Wars. He survives the Death Star by transferring himself into a clone body. After Luke becomes a full fledged jedi master, the two of them have a rematch, and this time he finally defeats him.

Tanner Hess ain’t nothing glorious about being a paraplegic via your own failures as a person and then spending a good 25 years hating yourself and the order you work for (I don’t think he hated it but man definitely wasn’t “enjoying” himself)

@@Nyrufa I'm pretty sure that wasn't in the ROTJ script. Palpatine died in episode 6, anything else is just nerd shit made up after the fact.

@@animepussy8356 No, it's in the novels / comics. Disney can go fuck itself for tossing out the Expanded Universe material. Over 2 decades worth of stories they could adapted to the sequel trilogy, and they gave us this garbage instead...

@@animepussy8356 he's right. if it was proper nerd shit the movies would have been better as they would have listened to fans

This is by far my favorite comment

then he got tricked by his old master to go to a planet with no Jedi inturn he was consumed by his own insatiable hunger and died lol

@@jovanleonardi1574 no one said he was smart

@@jovanleonardi1574 To be fair, she also tricked you.

​@@jovanleonardi1574 Darth Nihilus can't die, he was defeated by Meetra Surik and his spirit was then sealed and buried on Korriban. Darth Nihilus's mask still exist today buried somewhere on Korriban.

Unless your name is Dooku

@@TGAM2005 Unless you're Maul

or both

GigatronusPrime maul has robot legs. I think that counts as deformed

@@skeltonslay8er781 His face... We mean his face

oh it's coming. people seem to be into the ancient stuff so money will be made eh Disney

I would be down for it but I really hope they don't screw this up and get good and viable writers and directors if they really were to attempt this

Tarlo The Boar NO!!!

Now that's what I want to see, and let it be R rated and downright medieval!

Bring on Darth Revan just don't fuck it up

Coinkidink Fella agreed

My KZfaq probing of this rich history I had no idea existed agrees with this

Can we please not forget the new republic era in legends

I've been praying for the day a Je'daii movie comes out

No the sequel movies are the best era

I mean if you compare the beginning and end points of the Rule of Two Palpatine was way more powerful than Bane. That rule was implemented to ensure each generation of Sith was more powerful than the last.

But if they managed to outperform the previous generations skill and techniques by 125+% it would still be an upwards trend. Anyway, masters are supposed to keep most secrects to themselves, not sharing it with their sudents to train their inquisitve side and hide away all these most secret info somwhere else to prevent the scenario described above... So ideally if the student kills the master with 90% completed training the remaining 10% he can gain from the hidden bequest/legacy. Key word: Ideally...

@@leiferikson850 usually the apprentice doesn't surpass the master. Killing them only by surprise and treachery. The master is supposed to teach all the skills as the apprentice is ready. You seem a little foggy on master apprentice dynamics. Even palpatine never learned immortality like his master.

@@wittyjoker4631 "Killing them only by surprise and treachery" That happend with later generations while the first few actually had fights how Bane intended. Prime example would be Bane vs Zannah... Although Bane believed that pragmatism is a key and strength in not only muscles but also brains, so betrayal is not unwelcome. "The master is supposed to teach all the skills as the apprentice is ready." Bane himself decided to not teach Zannah all to enforce her to gain knowledge herself. This was also used as a way to prolong the masters life. Keep secrets, make sure the student knows this, so the student will bear with you for while in hope to gain the last pieces of knowledge out of you in time. "Even palpatine never learned immortality like his master." In legends Plageuis never learned true immortality. He knew essence transfer (which Sidious also learned), based alot of future research on this but never had a huge breakthrough... The biggest pain for Sidious was that his master was a scientist by heart and thus wrote entire lectures about all kinds of experiments.The lessons out of these broguht Plageuis such incomparable knowledge but for Sidious who is more of a pragmastist it was a chore reading through the library of his master which he never finished. A comparision would be a person trying to know how to build a gun and gets answered by having books about scientific physics, economics (how to best get the parts), forging, balistics, and aiming thrown at them. With the knowledge you could become a gunsmith making a living with a gun factory under your command but you have to study seemingly unrelated things for 10+ years for all this when all you wanted was a simple "building firearms for dummys...

@@leiferikson850 so you counter my general point with an atypical anomaly as an example... bravo...

he would have forgot he was a sith eventually and become an elder Jedi 😎

Or gave the wrong order. Order 72

@@joshfrench5858 Order 34

Daniel Kiesel order 69

@@joshfrench5858 or order 69. 😎

Windu Is Powerful...

@@ayoutubechannel1413 Tulak is a better Duelist

"Puny Sith.."

@@catraaufaa_9_viiif323 dude Tulak is unbeatable he die cuz plot (got stabbed in the back) cuz if u head on againts tulak Basically suicide

@@catraaufaa_9_viiif323 Tulak is not even a top 5 duliest bruh he was alive in a era when there was only two forms of lightsaber training Windu would wipe the floor with him

Yes

But still vader > nihilus. Gotta accept that little guy

@@Andrea-ok5bo ehhhhhh

@@idiosyncraticmushroom3030 yep man. 1-Nihilus needed to eat other force users to be able to fight. 2- reportedly lost so many battles during the datk wars die to his lack of stratefy and lightsaber skill. Aaaand he was killed by meetra surik, the last jedi of the old order. While Vader never lost a fight and died to save his son, killin palpatine. So if u think nihilus is better ok, but this is not true

@@Andrea-ok5bo thats true, but nihlus is definetly cooler (at least cooler looking)...*and he isnt afraid of sand*

I think you are referring to Marka Ragnos.

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@Miguel Ramos Tulak Hord was the strongest warrior of the Ancient Sith. Marka Ragnos was the strongest Sith Sorcerer. Think of it like Windu and Yoda respectively.

Naga Sadow imo was greatly diminished as a powerful Sith Lord when he led his Empire against the Republic in a disastrous war that ended in the Republics occupation of Korriban. Vitiate.. ive got no words for 😂

@Miguel Ramos absolutely nothing. Hes my second favorite Imperial era Sith, behind Darth Marr. I'm just saying I dont have the vocabulary to describe the absolute legend

Not being fair lol. Rey is such a Mary-sue that it's stupid. I cant even consider the Disney star wars trilogy canon.

@@steveaugust7797 same

The sith died out with Vader and Sidious, Kylo is just a weak dark side user iirc

Ray had the power of Jar Jar Abrams, so unless someone gains the power of master Filoni, she’s unbeatable.

palpatine: "i am all the sith" golden era sith: "not even close"

Agreed. I think people overrate Palpatine as a master of the Dark Side when most of his successes were thanks to his *political* skills. But whenever he turned on the Force Lightning it seemed to short circuit his common sense - as RotJ and RoS demonstrate.

@@daniels7907 ya no that was BULLSHIT with rey and he didn't think Darth vador would betray him

@@coreythomas3633 - How much of an idiot did he have to be to *not* think that Vader would betray him when: 1) He had literally just tried to replace Vader with Luke as his apprentice! 2) Vader's fear of losing his family is how Palpatine tricked him to the Dark Side in the first place and he was slowly murdering Vader's son right in front of him! 3) Sith apprentices are *supposed* to betray and murder their masters! ???????????????????????? So really, the thing with Rey was *not* that surprising. Palpatine could have saved the galaxy a lot of trouble if he had just exercised his self-destructive streak by committing suicide instead. Oh wait, he basically did. *Twice!*

He manages to cheat death by using Essence Transfer to possess a clone body, in the original canon.

@@Nyrufa - But each clone had a progressively shorter lifespan. Even in the Dark Empire comics, Palpatine was searching for another way to survive, since Essence Transfer and clones were not cutting it. Which is something that Darth Plagueis had figured out and which was why he was looking for a means to become immortal within his original body.

Probably partly due to arrogance.

Maul was cocky and it was likely the only time Obi-wan tapped into the dark side due to his youth and anger at Qui Gonns death

Exactly. I read once in a book where Kenobi told Yoda that he did give in to his anger over the loss of his master.

Aaron Virdee I just want to point out that the move obi wan used to defeat Maul is the same move anakin tried on Kenobi when he had the high ground. But because Kenobi knew this move he could easily beat it

@@dman644 Darth maul arrogant and cocky. not to mention Darth maul went completely crazy and out of control after he got his new legs, new lightsaber & the darksaber.

@Timothy McDermott Jr. why not both lol

The thought bomb was a psychic attack that killed every force user on Russan. And it was epic

Darth bane was a SIMP

@@Lrdnqustr why? I wasn't completely paying attention to the video

Palpatine would butt fuck Horde

@@jermainesmith9429 And Revan would ass rape Sidious with a lightsaber.

@@markokrstic8795 Doubt it Seeing as Revan couldn’t beat Vitiate and Palpatine is a better duelist den Vitiate and has stronger force Powers but ill allow you to keep sucking off Revan😂🙏🏾

@@jermainesmith9429 bitch please. Revan would throw a planet at Sidious and then sandwich him in between another. There's a reason why sith are always looking for ancient sith knowledge and holocrons, because even they knew that the ancient sith could wipe their asses with them.

@@markokrstic8795 Lmao isn’t Revan the same Bitch who got his mind ass raped By Vitiate😂🤦🏾‍♂️ And lmao It’s a good thing Palpatine is a combination of 1,000 years of ancient sith teaching🥱💀😂 ,

Well duh since u haven’t seen any of the ancient sith in movies 😂

@@Aamonnater yer aye what an idiot

The few times you see him outside of the original trilogy he is just this monstrous unstoppable force. It's almost as if Michael Meyers or Jason were coming at you.

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Bruh the new sith are more powerful Sidious dooku Vader are all top 10

The old masters were all about physical displays of power. As the millennia went on Sith learned to dial it back a little and when absolutely warranted, unleash their power in a brutally spectacular way 🤣

@@blackshogun272 - Yes, but the old Sith masters could openly instill terror in the Jedi Order, and forced a degree of unity among the Jedi not seen in later times when the Jedi instead saw themselves as individual space cops and had little experience with teamwork. That was why they went down so easily at the Battle of Geonosis. It had been too long since the Jedi had seriously needed to work together as an army. The late-Republic Jedi didn't even have an emergency plan in place for the possible loss of their Temple - during a *war* in which Coruscant had come under attack multiple times! In contrast, the ancient Jedi were able to weather to destruction of Ossus during the Sith War unleashed by Exar Kun, even though he killed some of their oldest Jedi Masters!

@@blackshogun272 so basically Palpatine is better. Here's why: the scenario described is basically having a real gangsta show up into the Senate, take his gun out, mow everyone down and then declare himself the winner. Whereas being a congressman you use deceit, sabotage, etc., to win the court of the King or President or whomever is in power. You actually get all the power that comes with it, too. Imagine using Jedi mind tricks to win the presidency. Rather than going in guns blazing and then making a trillion enemies.

@@monjier imagine if the us presidents secret service shot the president and then said "im president now" ...like no, thats not how it works.

Never saw Kylo as a sith, just a dark side user.

@@ProfLoomis not even at that level. Lowest of the low, actually

@@ProfLoomis I saw kylo as a joke, nothing more His last line in the trilogy is literally: "ouch" That sums him up perfectly 😅

hell his EU counterpart are far stronger than him, i'm talking about Darth Caedus aka Jacen Solo

Revan would totally fuck him into pieces

Abschaum idk about cannon but in legends he doesn’t stand a chance

@@xeoas213 palpatine would cream pie Revan with no difficulty

Revan is just cooler than palpatine

fws sffx yeah he looks bad ass

Erikjust yah but there teachings live on in sith halocrons the only risk is the rule of two teachings

And the rule of two is for each sith order there is definitely more then two sith but those sith orders would probably fight each other

I don't really think there's ever just really just two I think there's two that think they are the only two . Sith have a bad habit of teaching secret apprentices.

RICK NICK yup and then they pull a excuse oh it’s a assassin oh no now it’s an inquisitor they do the same as the apprentice just difference is of who is in charge of who

@@ricknick5318 true I'd say there's always at least 3 to 4 that we know of. Master's with apprentices , apprentices with apprentices who could have apprentices, who are their masters upon master's in the chain of command. It could go on and on.

It's works in theory but it leaves the sith vulnerable ***SPOILERS*** Like in ROS the sith after 8000 years of war and chaos the sith were finally killed off with no one left to know of their existence seeing as how the temples of the ancient sith have been long since robbed of all the knowledge they once held

Jori Roberts but palpatine is stronger than those fuckers because he inherited powers from all previous sith and Vader because he is the chosen one

@@jackboden2189 uh no....

It's like comparing a experienced soldier to a career martial artist. The soldier will always be battle hardened after every fight, whereas the martial artist would plan and practice his choreography while watching Taebo!!!!

Another problem with the rule of two is that it will work only if the apprentice is playing fair (as if sith would do that) and don't just blow his master up from orbit or something like that, it also assumes that no one would die in accident and that the master would teach his apprentice everything (as if sith would do that)

More importantly it gave no insight what this empire would be. Palpatines emorie was nothing but a authoritarian mutation of the galactic republic. The sith empire of Emperor Viciate May have had what we consider the modern imperial athletic but that was added with sith traditions and values and you could say a bit more color a bit of black and red fly around Dromund Kaas Ziost in swtor even though it’s a deviation from Koribban it is undoubtedly feel like ur in a sith empire.

I googled "When does KOTOR 2 take place." and i got this. Setting. The game takes place five years after the events of Knights of the Old Republic and 4,000 years before Episode I: The Phantom Menace, in a time when the Jedi have been nearly exterminated by the Sith. For her events of Prequels and Sequels were this many years into the future. That or i don't know something.

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He was just a copy of palpy. In kotor he was just mentioned as maybe existing secret sith who plays chess and people like revan are simply phions to him. but in swtor he was just weird and inconsistent. He was just a clone of palpatine in the jk story and a lovecraftian monster in the shadow of revan expansion. But as valkorion he is not even the same character Tl;dr he is just a knock off of palpy

@@azarishere6442 say what you want my dude but you gotta give the devs some props for making him seem nigh-unstoppable. Kill him, and he comes back stronger. Destroy his world and plans, he'll just completely restart over and be even more ambitious. Hell he might even have a personality change because of his body swapping...

Vitiate (at least in Valkorion state) was more than an evil guy. He was more than a sith. "To call you sith, is to ignore your true self therefore you earned my respect" "The old ways hold you back. You barely tapped your true potential. It is time you are unleashed." "The empire is not worth saving and the Republic is not worth destroying. There is a greater purpose awaiting us." There are more quotes like this that shows he is not a Jedi or sith obsessed force user like Palpatine.

@@Dionyboz Vitiate and Dark Empire Sidious may have been near equals but Tenebrae in his Valkorion persona was in another whole league of power. He was in a league that would place himself just a tier under being as powerful as The Ones (Freed from Mortis)...

I wholeheartedly agree. I came to make this exact comment, down to the last word.

@Haljordan4life there was only 2 sith in the clone wars.

even sith like darth marr make sidious look pathetic

i assumed the rule of two was a metaphor and not like....literalm

Reading this comment made me realize that the sequel trilogy could have continued not using The First Order but the re-establishment of The Sith Empire instead as Modern Sith decided to disregard Darth Bane's Rule of Two as a way of Self-Preservation of Sith Teachings in case they were wiped out. The new Sith Empire could have begun as Ben Solo/Kylo Ren left Luke's New Jedi Order due to PTSD (Maybe a battle that caused a lot of deaths of his fellow Jedi) and saw the New Republic incapable of bringing Order to the Galaxy thus leaving the Jedi Order for good.

Well Darth Nihilus was a Force Wound who grew more powerful with each Force User he consumed. So technically i think he was a bit of a cheater in that regard. In terms of raw, natural power, I don't think any of the modern Sith; such as Tyranus, Maul, Savage, and Asajj; would be able to stand up to even a mid-level Sith Acolyte from the Old Republic era

Yeah but Palatine and Vader are literally the only main modern Sith Lords so who exactly doesn’t have anything on Darth Nihilus?

Chappo Nihilus*

@@trueballer6880 what about Kyle Ren the wimp with daddy issues?

Jarik Shan average Sith Marauder from SWTOR could solo half of the Post-Ruusan Reformation Jedi Order.

You my friend, know whats up

you know, family friendly and trans friendly aint gonna happen If through game, maybe, perhaps but I doubt with disney

If I had the resources, I would jump on it.

Games of throne style

@@lilosnitch3247 that's way worse look at s8 ending bruh

I think you mean Darth Vader

@@cmoneverybodyitsachoochoot5427 Nope. Remove luke from the movies and Palps would have remained. Vader's final action was for luke, not Palps

Perhaps. Although his Empire had the most authority. Even if the Sith Empires lasted millennia they were still wiped out by both the Republic and Eternal Empire respectively. They may have been around longer but their power was contested by the existencd of the Republic. Galactic Empire didn't have that problem so.. its your decision whos Empire was technically stronger.

Well palpatine destroyed republic single handedly. Manipulation is a strong weapon for force users at the end.

Sidious stomps on both of them

@@immaasshole4964 umm sheevs BEST eu feat is nothing compared to vitiates ziost feat... No ritual, force drained an entire planet and all life on it, from across the galaxy and beyond, while essence transferring himself into literally every single soldier on ziost with the mental fortitude weaker than a jedi council member of the era Sheev needed a death star, Vitiate WAS a death star.

@TheShqipe98 umm when palps used essence transfer his lifespan shortened with each body Vitiate was able to essence transfer himself into thousands of bodies at once and continue living for millennia, ziost didnt require a ritual that was his other planet killing feat. Palps feat wise has NOTHING on Vitiate Palps is scaleable to grandmaster luke Vitiate is scaleable to fucking Abaloth

@TheShqipe98 feat wise vitiate matches palps in every way. So he cant create life, the fact that he can do things palps struggled with while casuslly sitting in his throne across the galaxy surpasses everything else sheev can do Vitiate especially after taking the mantle Valkorion does rival Abaloth for the strongest being in star wars His mere existence drove the strongest jedi to madness, there is not a single feat palps has that matches ziost, the eternal empire, or his 3000 year lifespan

@TheShqipe98 Actually, Vitiate created life three times as Valkorion, through a ritual called sex with his wife.

Poet Scotty yes, they would HAVE been way darker.

Traya was right about almost everything period...

Yes

@Ms Taylor I like Vader as much as anybody else, but him being a cripple is just the truth, although that isn't to say he didn't manage to become a powerhouse regardless. But the loss of his limbs severely diminished his potential in the Force, by about 40% as stated by Lucas himself, and having to rely on electronics and cybernetics to function and even something as fundamental as to breathe can hardly be considered an improvement, not to mention they made him much slower and less agile than he was before and very vulnerable to Force lightning. The only advantage to his cybernetics were his increased physical strength, which he could've gained through other means, like Sith Alchemy for instance, and maybe the pain they caused him, causing him to grow stronger in the Dark Side. Overall his cybernetics were a hindrance and liability more than anything else.

Vader fell to the dark side because of his emotions, he did what he did because of his love of Padme and after her death and the supposed loss of his unborn child, rage and anger consumed him and on reflection he was a more pure dark force user than really any Sith because he wasn't driven by ambition or power just grief, anger, pain and hatred it's also why when he discovered Sidious lied to him and his children were alive turning back to the light inevitable because the dark side had lost it's grip on him and while Vader did terrible things Anakin was still there just supressed and he was still a good person at heart.

Audio us emassed all of the knowledge that was left, but there was much lost to time.

Lol, yeah right. Is that why he only ever shoots lightning outta of his hands ??? Palpatine's droids and tech saved Vader's body, not his miniscule amt of alchemy.

Tulak Hord resulted to assassination because he was afraid to fight Aloysius Kallig personally. Consider that.

@@Deatheater4444 Doesn't change my outlook on him. There's a difference between fighting out of fear and killing for strategic purposes.

One of my favorite characters is Kreia. And the only way you can get all her nuances is to play KOTOR2 3 times. Once as pure light side, once as pure dark side, and once as very grey. Her view on everything is so unique, and she points out flaws with Jedi, with Sith, with the fence sitters. She pulls no punches. She actually and truly shares her wisdom hard earned.

@@Deatheater4444 Actually, Tulak Hord and Kallig fought their Kaggath in the outer reaches of the Galaxy, where there is no starlight. After a long and close duel, Hord defeated Kallig, bringing him to his knees. Kallig was later assassinated, but Hord would never kill anyone out of fear. He was a true Sith, and would not be able to live with himself if he didn’t assert dominance over whom he killed

@@Number_99 they did fight each other except the out of the galaxy and no sunlight seems a little like flowery language like palpatine manipulating stars

The Rule of 2 would last longer, but the Rule of 1 would force the Sith to answer to one person and should he die, there's no 1 apprentice to take his place. Imo, the Rule that the Sith should have followed is the Rule of Unity.

I can't even imagine how, say, Tulak Hord or Darth Marr (the latter being my favorite sith lord) would react to Kylo Ren.

Dan Eyal Kylo ren is such a joke lol

Dan Eyal 🤣. Any sith would look at him and laugh. Even someone like Savage Oppress could beat him!

Gabriel Martinelli wdym Savage Opress Is OP as f”ck!

Sample Text Yeah, but not compared to the likes of Vader and Sidious

They had less reserve for bullshit and cut to the chase Which is a lot very hotheaded and most likely lead to their downfall A careful thinker doesn’t have to be the most powerful/loudest in the room *insert smart guy meme*

Lurkai exactly they wasn’t tryna take over the galaxy, I mean they was but I feel they chased power the most

Personally I think way later when the new Sith gained more numbers they were almost unstoppable, they unified and together used force powers that could literally shatter the minds of their opponents also the Sith Troopers were straight bad ass

I read it as shitlords rather than sith lords

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Wrong!The sith is the esence of evil,the garbage of soul,just a person like it can be entusiast of it!

@@gabrielmarinescu8479 so the thousands of different species across the galaxy with each of thier owe belief systems , are just supposed to adhere to your narrow system of beliefs of good and evil.....that's enlightened of you.

I prefer the Dark Jedi.

More interesting but not as cool

True Sith or Ancient Sith? Technically both were Empires during the Old Republic.

The Dank One the Sith Empire in SWTOR

@@macwelch8599 Agreed, I replay Korriban and Dromund Kaas purely for the lore aspects every so often (sometimes finish the stories, others not), can be done in a couple of hours. The lore and culture of survival of the strongest is fascinating to me.

...balance in the force is when dark and light are combined...

That’s wha Raven was the strongest power user ever

Katrina Heller and he ain’t even the most powerful. His suit limited his power a lot cuz sidious didn’t want him getting too powerful. And he also lost to Luke which is ridiculous.

TheJayBird he was holding back against Luke but Luke according to George Lucas was the most powerful jedi in history so what’s so rediculous?

@@thejaybird5541 Have you even read any of his comics? Sidious isn't trying to limit Vader. He wants Vader to be powerful.

Okay I don’t acknowledge new Cannon cuz in my opinion it’s dumb asf but that’s my opinion.

Katrina Heller He really isn’t. For some reason *cough feminism cough* women always seem to be better than him in some aspects or they even beat him.

LOL I lost my shit when he said that 🤣😂🤣😂 hilarious tho

Interbreeding im pretty sure is what was spoken

Yeah axaxax

True but look what happened in the end the Sith destroyed 99 percent of the jedi order at that point the jedi where no longer a threat and could rule witout complecations

@@qqmar3113 I'd call Luke Skywalker a bit of a complication. A thousand years of planning all for a couple decades worth of rule.

Edited anakin vs obi wan fight

Chase Lynch but in the movie he has a blue saber still

It would’ve been neat if he kept Dooku’s lightsaber and used that before it got destroyed.

Artillery Man yeh that would of been sick

@@14TND88 he said "edited anakin vs obi wan fight"

I disagree. By the time of Palpatine, he had mastered generations of sith knowledge. And at the same time all forms of lightsaber combat. The old sith were focused on power and war and they died out because of it. Raw strength doesn't beat the jedi. Tricking them does.

@@samuelbishop3316 Really? The rule of two was focused on ONE thing, amassing power. That was it. It never taught or showed how to maintain that power. His Empire lasted for 20 years. That is it. Ancient Sith ruled over quadrants for hundreds of years to even thousands of years. Creating a culture that was uniquely Sith. Palpatine failed HORRIBLY. He also wasn't stronger than ancient Sith. Lucas has admitted as much even before he sold the rights. Everyone quotes what he said while it was still early on. When TOR the MMO was commercializing and being presented at cons and such, Lucas was there at times. One of his lines he said to people was "You can finally follow int he footsteps of the ancient Sith. Palpatine was the strongest Sith of the last thousand years but his power pales in comparison to what 'you' will face." Lucas also called the game canon btw. The official storyline that wove through the 8 classes and such...yeah all canon (the storylines never contradict each other either). This is what happens when people stop following the canon. Also, don't pick and choose, according to Lucas any novels and such written that refers to any time after The Return of the Jedi are NOT CANON. Those aren't the power levels of the characters, those events never happened. So in these discussions one must treat them as fan fiction. Facts is, Palpy really wasn't that powerful. He was manipulative and insideous and snake like. He wasn't very powerful though...not in the grand scheme of things. If he was powerful he would have ended them himself, but instead he had to worm his way into the senate and get a clone army made that was brainwashed to follow orders like a religion so that when order 66 was issued they would have no malice. With no malice the Jedi would get no combat sense/awareness and instinctively block. He had trouble with Yoda and Mace...all 3 of them put together couldn't hold a candle tot he ancient Jedi or Sith. That is how weak BOTH orders became with time. The Sith weakened themselves (Palpatine had access to knowledge but he didn't master it, he didn't have enough time to master it all, would take multiple lifetimes) while victory itself defeated the Jedi. Peace made them weak.

@@Nempo13 Yeah well you're not wrong. But what I said was still true, Palpatine had mastered generations of sith knowledge, he just used it differently to them. Hence why the first half of the plan went off flawlessly. The problem was as you say in maintaining power. By exerting excessive control over people you always get push back. Every time.

Darth Nihilus: (Ungodly noises of disembodied words)

What a gay joke.

@@Hitman2acutall ok boomer

@Articus Ramos Nihilus, Revan, and Bane make modern Sith look truly pathetic.

Seth Rios Sidious stomps on all three of them

justchyll2009 Exar Kun is one of my faves

I think it a Darth Rey fan art. Still good tho 😁

Malgus vs Vader

Darth Sidious was a weak, pathetic fool. Baby Grogu has more power.

They were cool, no doubt, but with their tri(polar) leadership I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did 🤣

BlackShogun 27 yea I guess they really weren’t even a triumvirate when they actually started purging lol, Nihilus and Sion banished Trayas patient ass cause fuck bitches, dudes rock I guess

But a lot of the Sith in (Knight of) The Old Republic Era were fairly OP for their ranks under Masters and Lord/Darth. A single Sith Marauder under Vitiate's Sith Empire would kill dozens of Jedi in TCW Era temple before getting wrecked by one of the Jedi Council Members...

The old sith weren't weak. Many of them will eat the modern sith for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

@@thecrusaderhistorian9820 And yet they died and Palpatine gained near undisputed control of the entire galaxy. The with needed to change if they wanted to win. They needed not just to be strong but also cunning.

@@samuelbishop3316 They were both strong and cunning. The jedi just had a spine back then.

@@maul8384 no, that game is cancer and it can burn.

Tenath Zeckron only the 12 year old fortnite kids say boomer like U

@@maul8384 unfortunately, firstly, your statement is invalid. Secondly use correct grammar. And thirdly, if you're going to insult me, do it right.

Tenath Zeckron it’s correct you just mad and imagine using correct grammar on KZfaq what a clown You are sad that you suck at everything and think your funny but post cringe stuff

@@tenathzeckron I hope I rid of him for you, as I couldn't sit idly by and watch this disgrace of a human think he was better than you, for you appear to be able to use your brain how it was intended to be used.

Darth Jar Jar? He's an idiot. You can't fix stupid. Well..... actually you can. NEUTER HIM. #NEUTERJARJAR

He is though.

they were the closest ones to come near the same power of the old ones but still mere toddlers in terms of power.

Palpatine is overhyped. 20-year empire undone by a noob boy and undone again by a noob girl.

Darth sion, would reck palpatine,

@@vortiger5035 And Tulok Hord, and Revan, and Valkorion

AVNgn yeah

i think vader's armour is based on darth malgus's palpatine admired malgus's power and leadership

but see thats the problem with the old fashion sith way of kill them all, it didint work out in the end so it took someone exactly like old palpy to be big brain enough to not just defeat them on the field of battle but as a whole witch he did but i do agree with you having a sith just pull up to the temple and start a gang war is much more cooler

Malgus had to be the Vader of the Old Republic era. He didn't bother with stealth or secrecy, he waltzed right in and started murdering people left and right. He was a accomplish battlefield commander, a highly skilled duelist, and extraordinarily strong in the Dark Side of the Force. That and he too killed his wife, so there's that too.... the prick.

Darth Vader could literally crush the old republic sith. He was the chosen one after all, he was the best duelist too.

Maybe, but considering that his Armor suppressed his connection to the Force to keep him from being too strong for Sidious to control, Sith Lords like Darth Marr, Darth Malgus and the Emperor's Wrath, wouldn't have too much trouble with him. Now if his armor hadn't been designed to stunt his powers, then Hell yes, even the Old Republic Sith would have one hell of a time getting rid of Darth Vader

Yuuupp I feel u

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