I agree. This Valkorian is the true OG of the sith

Yea only difference is Sidious actually ruled the whole known galaxy and not the just only the outer rim. But he was definitely extremely powerful, just a little foolish in the end in his demise like all sith really.

​​@@krxwnvxk3432Vitiate did rule the entire galaxy for a period about the same time as Valkorion under the Eternal Empire. The real difference is that Vitiate has about a millennia more of experience.

@xoulman9236 hmmm. I was pretty positive that he tried to do that by force and wasn't really in control over the whole galaxy, though he was fighting to do that almost doing so before being defeated. I am not positive so u may be right

@@krxwnvxk3432 I am stating what happened in KOTE/FE. The Republic and Empire all were crushed within the span of a year. Years had passed during certain parts of KOTFE and KOTET and as the "outlander", you learn that both sides had to delegate themselves to Valkorarion, Arcann, and their whole Dynasty. That same length of time was around or just under the 20ish years Palpatine ruled the Galactic Empire. As far as him achieving his true form in the later parts of Galaxy at Siege, Rise of the Sith, etc. He never did, but he had a grip on both sides for at least a decade and a half.

They also didn't have a certain Ma Rey Sue in them

They were in fact built different than most modern jedi and sith. However if we go by statements and feat wise the new sith outclass the old in many ways. Not to mention that the new sith had to deal with the literall embodiments of the Force in human form, aka Anakin and Luke. Darth Sidious far surpasses that of any old sith. And if we go further down then Darth Caedus would be potentially the only one who actually could surpass Sidious

@@eonragnarock2366 the old Sith had more more impressive feats then the new ones

@zaiken639 is true, but you also gotta understand that the modern Sith and Jedi feats in the books all came before the old republic. So every feat you saw in the old republic that was used was later fleshed out more, hence the reason they have these insane feats. However, if darth maul, sidious, dooku , etc, were written after the old republic was made, then for certain, they would have shown feats far better than what we got to see from them.

@@eonragnarock2366 well I mean you could be right about that but idk the old republic was an era with thousands of Jedi and Sith with way more intense wars then the prequels that made them battle hardened so it only makes sense for them to be more skilled cause of the shit they went through and not to mention dealing with one of the most powerful being to ever exist probably even more so then Palpatine which is Vitiate/Valkorian/Tenebrae

The force also went against Sidious (and Plagueis) by conceiving the Chosen One.

​@@deesnutts2611the force had to directly intervene with the immortal sith emperor with sidious the force intervened indirectly making a being to punish them

​@@darthbane418And that being at his full potential would have surpassed every force user in history.

@@CobraCommander917He would never have reached that Level. The Force itself would not have allowed it

@@deesnutts2611 atually the chosen one was conceive to bring balance to the force

@@zordusthedeathsong what sort of mutant troll are you babbling on about

He was born a demon made his Otho mad the day he was born and en slaves his whole village at the age of 6

Not the first, the longest reigning Sith Emperor before Tenebrae. One of the few, if not only, Sith to die peacefully in his sleep at an old age after living for centuries in a time where few Darths lived past 30.

Ragnos also gave him lordship of the planet Medriaas (Nathema)

Not to mention that he was mentored by him too as well as was chosen by him to be his successor, which is why he told him to go into hiding to not get involved in the subsequent power grab once he died.

Straight up, Valkorion was the best performance in Darin de Paul's career.

Nope. Completly wrong. Vitiate in a sense was not evil at all. He was simply indifferent towards anything except his own goal of becoming some sort of god. Unlike Palpatine, he did not enjoy in torturing or killing anyone without the reason.

@@aleksazunjic9672 the most evil in history always felt the most justified to commit the horrors they did to others. They never felt they were the bad guy, even as they broke societies and countries in horrible ways. You need to rethink this.

⁠@@aleksazunjic9672The fact that he didn’t care about anyone but himself, that he was willing to kill innocents, betray companions, slaughter and massacre thousands, even entire planets… That is pure evil. Not indifference. Evil.

I don’t think he was dismissive of his atrocities more contextualizing his motivations in comparison to Palpatine. Both by a normal moral compass are “evil” but Vitiate didn’t get off on the suffering of others, but was more singularly focused in his goal of becoming a god. I’m not a fan myself of one dimensional characters and the black and white idea of good and evil.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@shkotayd9749well you could say that for the “good guys” as well. Committing atrocities in war, trading one life for another, as long as it was for “the greater good”. How do you distinguish between good an evil when everyone is willing to do bad things as long as they perceive that there is someone more evil than themselves and they are doing what’s best? What’s the real difference between vitiate and Sidious? Where Sidious does all this stuff “for the greater good” saying the only way to rid the galaxy of chaos is to bring it under the rule of one, himself. But he hates jedi, rules the sith, but really thinks himself above the sith and it’s doctrine, and takes delight in making others suffer. He’s also a documented racist 😂 the man does NOT like non humans. vitiate does literally the same things but without trying to justify it. Simply because he wants to and he can. He despises the Jedi, sith, everyone because he sees them as beneath him. And he kills with indifference

In the short term, the problem was his long term plans

Insufferable and delusional, seriously that disney fan-fic is just disgusting

Palpatines rule of 1 did establish he wanted to live forever as the only sith Lord. Vitiate ironically was fulfilling the rule of one better than Sidious could.

He has a amazing quote stating that after he consume the galaxy that he will await the cycle of life to start over again and wants to become everything: From being a simple farmer to a God. And he knows the existance of other galaxies and will choose to ignore them or not. He has no plans to rule a empty voided Galaxy. He expects cycle of life to restart again and again and again...

@@galacticfirefly6060 it just said in the video he would destroy the whole universe for his own ends if he must.

The rule of two sith gave up on brute force. Instead they learned to be leaders who accepted loss. Sadly it is a lesson Palp failed when he killed off the Jedi. The use of the Jedi could have been immeasurable

@@benisaac5615 this is a Quote that the Sith Emperor says ingame: “You discern a fraction of reality. Beyond these stars exist other galaxies, other worlds, other beings. I will experience or ignore them as I wish. I will spend eternity becoming everything: a farmer, an artist, a simple man. When the last living thing in the universe finally dies, I will enjoy peace and wait for the cycle to begin again." The Star Wars galaxy is merely his conduit. He will consume all life in the galaxy to truly become Godlike and then finally be at peace and he will then await for the cycle of life to start anew. And then he will become whatever he wish and shape whatever civilizations.

​@galacticfirefly6060 He reminds me of Thanos in a way, Thanos wanted to extinguish half of all life in the galaxy and then live in peace. In Endgame, we see him living as a farmer.

Me too! He can literally suck life force from people and transfer his essence. So dope.

Same!

Have you read Legends Darth Sidious? Legends Darth Caedus?

@@eonragnarock2366 Dude, even legends Sideous wishes he was as strong as Vitiates farts... Theres still no guarantee that Valkorion is dead now. "When the last living thing in the universe finally dies, I will enjoy peace and wait for the cycle to begin again." Theres literally no reason to believe hes dead at all, and very well he could just be elsewhere, or waiting till he feels like taking another form... Disney really missed the opportunity as Tenebrae is Vitiate and Valkorion, and Plagueis is Sideous' master, and Tenebrous was Plageuis. Not tying Valkorion into the creation of the chosen one was SUCH a missed opportunity. But in seriousness, even in legends, Palps could barely essence transfer, and when he did the body would rot like it had leprosy. Valkorion could COMPLETELY control multiple bodies that he gave TRUE IMMORTALITY(doesnt age/degrade) Sheev does have atleast ONE thing on Valkorion.... he was MUCH better at hiding himself... Mind you, theyre both VERY good at everything. Palps is probably a better saber duelist as well.... Which kinda says alot... Because Palpatine had to fall back on his saber skills MANY times, even though he himself saw his need to as a sign of weakness... Also, if we go by legends, Palps had relativistic reflexes(light speed, or very close) which is a dumb feat. Although Luke did too by legends. However, even with all that, I dont think that without Revan and The family, that anybody could even hurt Valkorion. Even if Sheev did kill his body, he could essence transfer like no other. He was also able to TOTALLY control other people as though they were just skin suits... Sith lords and people like Revan... Not just strong willed people... The STRONGEST willed people alive at the time and arguably the strongest alive ever(To be fair, doing so to Revan was literally the thing that opened a weakness that lead to his downfall) But honestly.... In his wettest wet dreams, Sheev wishes he had an ounce of the might of The Dragon of Zakul Sideous < on essence transfer Sideous< on feats Sideous< on true immortality Sideous< Sith ritual and Sith alchemy and..... Im not even sure sheev would literally be able to kill him... Probably eventually with some of his own sith rituals to somehow loosen Valks tie to reality/bodies/life.... I mean, ffs, if were being smart and fair, Valks could take over a few other people and like 3v1 him without even using his own main bodies.... Sideous cant even answer that The only thing that put Valks away at all was Revan, AND the family working with the sith to stop Valks... literally took the greatest jedi ever besides Anakin, AND the order, AND dudes eternal family AND the sith all working togather. And theres still no guarantee hes even really gone. How could you even tell? Valks is THAT strong that its dumber to assume you finished him off than it is to assume he just decided to wait, or go do something else elsewhere Even in legends, they didnt even dream of making daddy sheev that OP.... Palps is the perfection of the sith Valkorion is THE FORCE

@timwelsh0777 there are many factors to play in here for once no one in the old republic ever faced a skywalker. Now you might me saying oh a skywalker like that ain't nothing but you know it is. All skywalkers are literal Force demigods in human form. You have to also understand the point in time in which these stories where made Legends Sidious was made way before Valokiron even showed up. Of course Valkorion would have these crazy abilities they where made after Sidious. You go by feats shown , I go by statements made countless times as to why Darth Sidious is the most powerful Sith. Valkorion is not the Force. He wishes he was a Skywalker Well you got your answer..... Rey is Valkorion, disney did use him and his essence transfer

Atleast in the area of all the nearby galaxies XD

in order to become the force he would learn about light side too lol

@@777mustdie he did? Do you know who were talking about?

@@tandavawalsh0777 "The dark side is not enough. It never was."

@@777mustdievitiate was a master of both side not just the dark.

Not just more evil, but more powerful!

More evil (& possibly powerful) than Abbeloth!!!

@@ZeldaSam1 What?! I understand he'd be more powerful than Palpatine, but Abeloth?!

​@@PhantomRedKnighthe made revan switch to the dark side

@@justindenning6015 You're right. When Malak and I confronted the Emperor, he didn't even have to fight us. Instead, he broke our wills. He dominated our minds, turning us into puppets to do his bidding. But though we had underestimated the Emperor's power, he underestimated us as well. Our wills were stronger than he thought. Our minds twisted and perverted his instructions until we thought we were acting of our own accord. Malak and I were turned to the Dark Side, but in doing so, we found the strength to block out all memories of him and his empire, partially freeing us from his control.

Not somehow through Essence transfer

The thing is, vitiate is powerful enough to return “somehow” because almost no one can comprehend what he’s capable of and there is lore that supports that, it wasn’t mentioned in this video but there is a chapter after he was defeated where a remnant of his being or essence was taking over Zakuul scions and Jedi , the chapter is called "echoes of oblivion” However Palpatine “somehow” retuning is just stupid and lazy

True He transformed the sith and made them more powerful

Aaand she immediately gets her own video. Nice!

Didn't Palpatine say himself that even he was nothing compared to the old Masters?

@@chrismc410 yes he said something along those lines I believe in a canon comic

Even if Sidious had all of Vitiate's knowledge, he still would have needed Zildrog to pull it off. Given that Zildrog was destroyed, Sidious wouldn't have been able to pull off everything Vitiate did.

@@karlrovey Valkorian Was Lord Vitiate That lived during the first Sith Empire Born Tenabrae. He killed his father and took over his world Marka Ragnos the greatest and last true Dark Lord of the Sith was impressed with Tenabrae and called him Lord Vitiate After Ragnos died, the rivalry between Naga Sadow and Ludo Kreesh ultimately destroyed the Sith Empire Vitiate remained neutral and instead developed the ritual that made him immortal As the Republic was closing in on the Sith Vitiate lured I think about a thousand Sith Lords claiming he had the answer to their problems Instead he dominated their minds and made them power his ritual The ritual took absorbed all life force on the planet to the Microorganisms, and draw it all into Vitate, not only making him more powerful but immortal But it also made him insane, hollowing out his emotions which shaped his future actions He then lead the exodus to Dromund Kaas to create his Resurgent Sith Empire with himself as the immortal Sith Emperor But Vitiate was beyond a Sith and Jedi and had his sights beyond the known galaxy Vitiate can transfer his spirit to other bodies to ensure his immortality, that’s when he possessed the ruler of Zakuul and became Valkorian Even as he plotted to expand his ritual and absorb all life in the galaxy to ensure he’ll be a god and live forever, the Eternal Empire was a backup plan as he viewed he outgrew the Sith, and continued his ambitions as Valkorian Palpatine was able to master Essence Transfer and transfer his body to other vessels and live on But he didn’t achieve Valkorian’s level of nearly becoming a God Which would have been a complex ritual that would have eradicated all life in the galaxy to make the user immortal and Godlike But Palpatine had other plans to be a God, seeking the Mortis Gods, wanting yo access their realm between worlds and manipulate time as he pleased, but Ezra Bridger thwarted that As well as Luke Skywalker, delaying Palpatine from studying the secrets of the Force, by destroying the Death Star and made Palpatine more involved in leading his crumbling Empire Vitiate was able to become immortal because he had the time and genius to study the secrets of the Force Palpatine had the genius, amorality. and ambition but didn’t have the time to achieve Vitiate’s achievements, saving the galaxy from someone whose arguably a worse madman than him

@christophersanchez7731 Have you played through the "Nathema Conspiracy" SWTOR story arc? It strongly implies that Vitiate's ritual used Zildrog in some way in order to consume the life on Nathema.

@@karlrovey that might be an updated ritual He used an alchemy based ritual to make Lord Scourge Immortal without consuming life but was painful for him The Zildrog was his attempt using the Eternal Empire as another way to fulfill his ambition

@@christophersanchez7731 Zildrog had been inactive for so long that if Vitiate had gone that route, it would have had to be for the original ritual. It's worth noting that we see Zildrog giving his strength to the non-sacrifice helpers. In other words, I don't think Vitiate was strong enough to pull off the initial ritual on his own.

I had the same theory, he did say he wanted to experience everything the Galaxy had to offer before he consumed it, maybe that is what he has been doing the entire time through the Modern Era Star Wars Galaxy. I refuse to believe that a entity as cunning and powerful as Vitiate did not cover his every step with safeguards. I think at the point of Valkorian he transcended from being the most powerful Sith to a Force Entity on the level of Abeloth just with more cunning and patience. Let me know what you think, I dread to think Vitiate popping up and saying: “You thought I died fuckers?”

I PRAY you're wrong!!!

Did you play through the missions when Kira and Scourge find the commander and guide him to destroy the last remnant of Vitiates soul? Without saying too much, basically the opposite of what you said ends up happening. He had one last ritual to maintain his existence separate from the rest and it almost worked. After this even scourge started to feel the galaxy was different for the first time and started to feel emotions as the effects of immortality changed when vitiate was truly gone.

@@killermouse01 I have played it all through. And that was an ending.... for now....

Vitiate can return. His connection to the force cant be severed

They were both no truth but power but Sid wanted control. Control is not necessarily evil depending on the ends but Vit was pure destruction. Even the Sith only wanted freedom from the force

but can Valk beat Goku?

Vitiatus (Latin) = bad, corrupt, wicked

Vader

If you play SWTOR as a light side alignment sith sorcerer the title you gain at the end is Darth Imperius, because light side choices in that class story are basically doing what's best for the empire. I played one who was still definitely a sith and had selfish and evil tendencies, but above all else he truly wanted what's best for the empire and believed that doing so meant doing best for its people and allies, even if he had selfish personal motivations for doing it all. He saw his own role as being a fundamental part of an ideal empire and making the empire a better place ultimately benefitted himself through benefitting the people. For this reason his relationship to Valkorion was a rather interesting one of wanting to learn from Valkorion, but also hating him for using the empire so harmfully.

Disney would fuck up his character, let’s leave him in Legends where greatness and epic characters exists

Disney will turn him into a lighthearted family friendly watered down censored pg rainbow sunshine Saturday morning kiddish cartoon villain cracking silly jokes

And twirling his mustache and saying hey don't put no banana in my tailpipe.

Vitiate was not insane. In fact, he was one of the rare Sith that was fully rational. Sith in general would hide their psychopathic and sadistic urges behind the call of Dark Side. Vitiate on the other hand simply had a goal of becoming god. He did not want to kill for the sake of killing.

@@aleksazunjic9672 Bro what kind of man will Manipulate his own son into killing his brother along with tormenting and torturing this daughter into his own image. Not even vader was that sick. This nigga has a god complex

@@aleksazunjic9672 he was basically born to be Evil. Nobody in the universe (except Nihilus Probably) was as insane as him.

@@melaninking199 He was actually completely opposite of insane, completely and coldly rational and calculated.

@@aleksazunjic9672madness can exist even in calm and calculation. As intelligent as Vitiate was, he most certainly wasn’t right in the head, even for the Sith. His deeds are evidence enough of that. If a father does half the stuff Valkorion did to his children, he’s insane in my book.

He is Jar jar binks who was plaguis the wise

He did

He battled the dark side of himself yoda knew light and dark side powers from my understanding

@@Edwinstewart88 he knew of them yes but only mastered the lightside abilities

There is. Star Wars The Old Republic: Revan covers a little bit of the story. Most of it comes from the encyclopedia for The Old Republic MMO.

So, the whole "ruling over nothing" thing is actually a straight up untrue thing. Tenebrae was going to absorb the galaxy, yes - but his plan was that after doing so, he'd simply move on to a different galaxy, whereupon he'd do his thing there. His thought process was to just keep going, from galaxy to galaxy, until the heat death of the universe, where he'd go into torpor until a new universe was born, where he'd start the process all over again.

@@ASNS117Zero Hi, Zero. I getcha, now. I guess i totally misundrstood. What are your thoughts on Tenebrae? His power and his plan. I'm interested in your thoughts because even though I read _Plageueis_ I never really got a feel for him! Thanks for the clarification. I really appreciate when someone corrects me when I'm wrong. I hope you have a swell type day! :)

Well said

Agreed. To a degree vitiate cared for people. Palpatine cared for no one. Palpatine was more of a psychopath

Well sidious is in terms of political control and military strength George Lucas said sidious was the greatest sith because he gained control of the republic to turn it into an empire and Nearly destroyed the entire Jedi order No force powers siduous has can destroy planets or mind control otherwise it contradict and mess up the story It makes more sense palptine was the most successful sith and gained the most control of the galaxy with. I opposition Which is why people saying he is perhaps the most powerful that way still holds true Just not with the force

If Im not mistaken he was also hand picked and given his title by Marka Ragnos?

@@tandavawalsh0777You're right. He's also the one to suggest that he go into hiding to avoid the eventual power struggle after his death.

Actually he did in hes vault however it was destroyed by vaylins power

@@swtorbro5974 oh shit that's right! He also had the holocron that held his fathers spirit right?

Exar kun had far more knowledged than vitiate since he possessed the dark holocrom which was the most powerful sith lord holocrom in history and had over 100,000 years of sith magic archemy rituals lightsaber skills ect exar kun learned everything from it also he had scrolls 📜 from the jedi library in ossuss

Palpatine would of had similar if not more knowledge through kun and bane who he knew a lot about

hed lose without Luke since Abeloth require both the light and dark side to defeat her

@@abstraction6212 he has knowledge of both light and dark, he even implies on that during the story. Thats why he said both the light and the dark are not enough to defeat him.

He took bodies as hes vessels

He had multiple vessels. It went Tenebrae, Vitiate and Valkorian. He also had inhabited other bodies using them as voices and completely controlled/puppeted the Jedi strike team on Ziost. Whatever character you made to confront Valk in KOTET and KOTFE, Valk would attempt to takeover that body as his new vessel.

@@CMJensen97 oh I get it! Thank you very much!

Not true unless you’re talking about canon palpatine. EU palpatine was the strongest sith ever.

@@panafricanmarxist7632no lol palps isn’t stronger

@panafricanmarxist7632 I disagree but legends palp is definitely top 3

@@dinglebob551 George Lucas stated that he was.

@@panafricanmarxist7632 no he didn’t lmao

Comics and books implied this 25 years before Rise.

@@MrDeedsly No one wants to read Dark Empire

@@KryptonianChaos1 Because Dark Empire is bad.

@@MrDeedsly Vitiate didn't exist 25 years ago lol.

@@ASNS117Zero It's not the worst, but not the best. That sums up most of Legends.

Read legends, Sidious years later made black holes, well stuff as powerful as black holes.

Realistically palps is no where near valkorion. Even luke wasn’t doing shit like him. He’s constantly being described as a force god tho palps has similar ones he’s often described just as an avatar of it. The funny thing is that valkorion never had all of his power in one vessel. He always had his power distributed into multiple things like the ritual and his 1000+ children. In EoO it’s when we really see how powerful he is. He one shots 7 of the most power Jedi and sith ever and then it takes all of them + everyone he had ever hurt in anyway + the will of the force just to get rid of him.

Lucas said that Palps is the greatest Sith ever when people like Vitiate were not created yet. Also I doubt that Lucas took the EU into consideration.

@@bonk5943 greatest≠most powerful. Palps destroyed the Jedi basically which was something that vitiate didn’t do even if it wasn’t really his goal. GL statements I believe can be considered timeless and aren’t subject to post GL statements even if he didn’t have them in consideration

@@dinglebob551 Palpatine didn't destroy the Jedi, they are still around. It just doesn't make sense for me to call him the strongest due to one old quote that was made when Sith of Old with better feats than Palps were not a thing yet.

In the game, no, Vitiate never used a lightsaber, he'd just block them with a wave of his hand and could crush and enslave the minds of even Jedi Masters with a glance. If he needed to resort to direct violence, he'd let loose with Force Lightning in ways Palpatine could only dream of, create illusions of himself and suck the life and Force from entire planets. Something important to remember too is that he did all of this through puppets whose essence he'd hollowed out and inhabited. The Vitiate most in the Sith Empire encountered was just a host, as was Valkorian, a great warrior from the world of Zakul he hollowed out. The Emperor jumped between bodies as he desired while scheming his ascension to godhood. What finally did him in was the PC hero of SWTOR (canonically the Jedi Knight) and Valkorian's family destroying his spirit while Kira and Scourge (allies of the Jedi Knight, and the latter the former Emperor's Wrath) tracked down and destroyed his original physical body (all his other vessels having been destroyed) so he'd have nowhere to escape to. Even then, The Emperor left behind a ritual that would reconstitute himself from the memories of others that was only stopped by the PC hero, Kira, Scourge, Satele Shan (Revan's descendant), and the ghost of damned near everyone the Emperor had ever murdered coming back and destroying the nearly reformed entity forever.

@@ChristopherJohnson-np4dv that’s intense. He could hollow out peoples minds. That mind enslave sure was useful for him